Brolita for Beginners

Bump because this thread has a lot of potential.

General tips if you care to pass:

1. Unless you can really do hair well, get a GOOD wig. The wig shouldn't be shiny and you will look more convincing if it's natural looking.

2. Learn how to do natural makeup. Drag makeup will highlight all your masculine features.

3. Groom your eyebrows. Don't make the arch too high or too filled in.

4. Cover your stubble. (Many suggest first use a pinkish concealer to conteract against the bluish shadow, set with setting powder. Then use your skin colored foundation on top and set with powder again.)

5. Put subtle blush (not too dark!) on top of your cheekbones to look cute. Dark blush under cheekbones will make your cheekbones stand out too much.

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>>8612960
>How did you discover lolita?
visual kei -> visual kei related websites -> doll dressup sites -> /cgl/ when looking for convention stories.

>Why do you want to wear it?
i love the look. i wanted to wear it as a teenager, but i was broke. then i butched up because i did not want to have people make assumptions about my sexuality. now i am becoming more confident, and feel like it is almost time to finally wear lolita.

>What kind of research have you already done?
all kinds. i have followed lolita for over a decade. i know maybe as much as anyone can know without ever wearing it. i am less familiar with print names or famous lolitas, due to lack of interest.

>What aspect of lolita are you most confused or worried about?
1. makeup and coording. this is something i will need feedback on, so when i am ready, i will be coming to help threads for specific advice.
2. i am still insecure. currently i am over-aware of SJW and anti-SJW stuff, and of creeper/sissy fears. i am more afraid of judgement in the lolita world than i am of judgement from outside it, which is the opposite of what i feared before. no matter what, i feel like if i wear lolita, i will be a walking target for various projections.

>What's your height and shoulder/bust/waist measurements?
height: 168cm
shoulders: 40cm across
bust: around 82cm
waist: 78-80 cm

>What is your general hygeine/beauty routine like?
korean skincare inspired. clean shaven, lazy haircut, not good at hair styling. i sometimes try primer, foundation, eyeliner, and eyeshadow.

>How do you normally dress?
business casual, goth, and i have worn ouji and aristocrat.

>What lolita substyle(s) most interest you?
gothic and guro.

>What is your planned budget for lolita?
$0, i am still building my boystyle wardrobe.

>Post your favorite lolita picture and say something about it.
i enjoy theatric, othetworldly gothic looks. i would be more at ease in an OTT gothic coord (that i could obscure my features with) than a regular one.

>>8613046
thanks for the tips.

>2. Learn how to do natural makeup. Drag makeup will highlight all your masculine features.
i guess i should be focusing on natural makeup more, even though my interest is in gothic. i will try to wear more natural looking makeup in casual settings to git gud.

>>8613052
>>8613165
>using a board called Cosplay and EGL
>not knowing the name and style of EGL was basically invented and made famous by a man

How new

Why do men even get into lolita? Can't girls have one nice thing?

What is with the new trend of hating brolitas on here? Just a year or two ago nobody gave a rats ass but everyone in this thread is shitty about it.

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>>8613194
ignore shitposters.

put a tiara on top of your soul and do you, anon.

>>8613157
>2. i am still insecure. currently i am over-aware of SJW and anti-SJW stuff, and of creeper/sissy fears. i am more afraid of judgement in the lolita world than i am of judgement from outside it, which is the opposite of what i feared before. no matter what, i feel like if i wear lolita, i will be a walking target for various projections.

I am not a Brolita myself, but here's how my comm accepted ours:
>dress well
Obviously. Not only research the fashion but find out what suits you. Wear a nice wig. Practice make up. It's best to dress Classic/Gothic in order not to come off as an age player. The standrard for a Brolita is higher. When in doubt, wear brand or some nice taobao stuff. Toned down first, don't try OTT before you absolutley know what you are doing.

>ask for help
Seriously, no one starts out a perfect Lolita, girl or not. Put your outfit together, practice make up don't be afraid to ask for concrit. Either here or at your comm's fb page or whatever they use.

>just be a normal guy?
When actually attending a meet up don't spill too many spaghettis. But honestly, since our Brolitas have a serious interest in Lolita they can usually just participate in talking about make up, print releases, etc.

>DRESS WELL
Have I stressed this enough?

If you do all this, people will usually accept you and not give too much thought about you. Our Brolitas stay out of drama and I only saw one of them once being posted to btb. As long as you are well dressed and clearly put effort into it, no onr will mind you much. If you are actually good looking and have a nice wardrobe, you will get positive feedback.

>>8613209
People speak their opinions on anon. Just because you dress in a weird fashion doesn't mean you're some tumblr-tier sjw.
They can do what I want, I won't shit on them in public, but I think it's creepy and cringe every time.

>>8613247
Well duh people speak their mind, anons have always done that, which is why I don't understand the hate as of recent. I doubt people ever held their tongues before now and I just don't understand why people care so much now.

>>8613266
a few things.

>Closet of Frills and tumblr
men get asspats for shitty coords. this raises salinity levels for seagulls who are too timid to address the issue off anon.

>sissies in comms
gulls have reported being unable to persuade their comm leaders to remove sissies. this is more common thanks to "soft SJWs" (non-misandric) who want everyone to be accepted at all times. this makes gulls suspicious of men in frills.

>newfags
oldfags know what Mana and Novala contributed to the fashion and culture. newfags are less likely to care, and may even react against the cult of Mana since they were never part of it. (this happens with every subculture or hobby; the "canon" gets challenged by newer people as a matter of course.)

>4chan is full of men looking for porn
guys keep coming to /cgl/ to make fap threads. this is annoying and increases anti-male sentiment here.

>the non-EGL side of /cgl/ keeps getting harassed by men
male crossboarders harass seagulls because it's known as "the girl board." as the hatred of "cucks" and "betas" increases on other 4chan boards, the attacks on women here have increased. this makes female gulls more defensive.

>men who want to wear lolita keep asking stupid questions
which is why this thread exists. guys feel confused when it comes to lolita and don't realize that knowing how to be cute is not genetically encoded into female DNA. the fact that men ask the same noobish questions over and over gets annoying and makes them seem less serious about the fashion (making it seem more likely they are fetishists).

>radfem SJWs
they want cismales punished. not a lot are on /cgl/ but there are gulls with true misandry.

>anti-SJWs
these gulls don't hate men in general, but they don't like men doing girly things. a lot of male gulls are in this category.

>in conclusion
gender politics is all the rage, literally. lolitas use /cgl/ to say what they can't IRL, so the anti-brolitas seem louder because pro-brolitas have no urge to bitch.

>>8613226
this is a good post.

the way /cgl/ acts is not indicative of reality. seagulls are more prone to post about negative feelings here, and positive comments are often accused of being selfposts/white knights. just ignore anything that is not constructive critique.

Ok, I guess I'll now post in the survey.

>>8612960
>How did you discover lolita?
I discovered lolita through an Anime series in 2006 when I was vacationing in Hawaii. It was Princess Princess which revolves around guys dressing up in lolita (the lolita they wear is old school) at a private school. The live action series had AP to provide the Princess' wardrobes.

>Why do you want to wear it?
It evokes a Rococo/Victorian era of fashion. I also found out that Mana-Sama wears and has his own line so I didn't see a problem with guys wearing frilly dresses. Just do the research and know your brands well.

>What kind of research have you already done?
Did some basic research when I found out about EGL on LJ. Talking with other lolitas in your Comm or have met at Cons is especially important. /cgl/ has been helpful in the past, but it's has been getting saltier. Makeup videos and going to makeup stores are good places to improve your makeup skills.

>What aspect of lolita are you most confused or worried about?
Waist ties. I have a difficult time tying them alone. Makes me feel as if I am a terrible lolita.

>What's your height and shoulder/bust/waist measurements?
I'm about 5'9"-5'10". Bust is 32. Waist is 28.

>What is your general hygeine/beauty routine like?
Shower daily, shave using my epilator once a week, brush/floss, shave daily, and put on moisturizing lotion after shave. I admit that I watch my weight or go on a diet. I know several male lolitas who do the same too.

>How do you normally dress?
I dress up like a guy wearing Uniqlo jeans and a shirt. Lolitas in my Comm have said I'm thin or adorable.

>What lolita substyle(s) most interest you?
Classic. Anyone else can go eat cake.

>What is your planned budget for lolita?
I don't budget. If I want to buy a dress and I'm not busy, I'll buy it.

Posting this too.

>>8613339
>sissies in comms
>gulls have reported being unable to persuade their comm leaders to remove sissies. this is more common thanks to "soft SJWs" (non-misandric) who want everyone to be accepted at all times. this makes gulls suspicious of men in frills.

The guy from San Francisco is a textbook example. He never improved his coords/makeup and threaten violence to another lolita. He ended up getting banned last October after someone spoke up. He thought about selling his wardrobe and did not know the names of the prints he bought. Several of his friends outside of lolita were really weird.

Not a brolita or anything but in my comm we have orgasmicyogurt.tumblr.com and he looks so damn good every single time because he made the effort to learn to do make-up and how to dress well and looks better than most chicks around.

If your hair isn't good enough, use wigs that compliments your face shape and skin tone. Go to a wig shop and see if there are wigs that you can try on and find one you like that's good quality and looks nice. Later on, you will know what colors look best on you and what wig shape makes you look like a queen.

Learn to make-up. Just because you are a guy, doesn't mean you can skip it. Learn to find your undertone, how to contour, and look up drag make-up tutorials by guys to get an idea on how to draw on your jawline, cheekbones, define your eyes and eyebrows.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu1zSZui8Gc
^shows how to do eyes fairly well and gives you tips on how to hide that five o' clock shadow with make-up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O58zzgja3P4
^another good tutorial on drag make-up

Of course you wouldn't use these harsh and deep colors and lines but it gives you an idea on how to do your make-up and where to start to give yourself some shape on your face.

Also it's good to know what body type you have because from there, you can decide what cuts look better on you and which ones make you look frumpy. Just try various types of dresses and see if it works on you.

Don't expect good concrit on CoF, they will just kiss your ass and give you asspats no matter how you look because you are a guy. Best bet to just go on the coord help here on cgl and ask for concrit to help you improve. If you put the effort into your make-up and coord, you will get the help you want.

In meets, just act normal like how you do around people. No need to change your voice. Most lolitas won't care if you sound like Morgan Freeman or have a deep ass voice. And if someone does gives you shit, ignore them and just have fun.

>>8613339
You speak as though this is something new.
The last words of a former brolita to any guy who is interested.
First and foremost, this must be said: Have you ever wondered what women/minorities meant when they said "They needed to work twice as hard to be taken seriously"?
Welcome to that, encapsulated. You MUST come out of the gate going 70% harder than anyone else AT ALL TIMES just to not be laughed at. What >>8613226 is simply not enough, because other lolitas are waiting for the chance to disregard you entirely for the smallest misstep, and they will with startling efficiency you didn't think possible for an oft misunderstood fringe group.
Hair, makeup, coord must be on point, without fail, or don't even bother showing up. Even if you do, expect to be politely entertained at best until you show that you know your shit as well or better than anyone else around you.
And here is the kicker: Do NOT look better than the inner circle (you'll figure out who they are in short order). Consistently having better coords, or having more imagination in your coords, will get you blackballed so fast you'll wonder if they weren't just waiting for you to let your guard down.
If you still want to get into your local comm after this warning, then I advise an approach of polite aloofness. Be genteel, but do not try to make "friends" or fool yourself into thinking the people around you are anything near to such. Speak of things that are of topic, but keep your personal affairs your own, and when one of them decides to wheedle their way past the wall because they want to be the one with the gossip, smile and SHUT. THEM. DOWN. Eventually, they will stop bothering, and keep things on topic.
Yet, some of what >>8613339 is true. For some, you will be little more than a target, a source of amusement or pity, the chosen bearer of contempt, and nothing you can do will change that.
I hope this prepares someone out there.

>>8613604
this is way too intense, though. the best advice a brolita could follow (besides being incredibly well-dressed and following conceit, being good with makeup and wigs, etc) is to be polite, approachable, and sociable. there is absolutely nothing wrong with bringing your coord A-game to every meet, nobody is going to be *that* anal about a brolita dressed "better" than them, it usually generates a fair amount of praise and compliments. when lolitas in the community try to make friends, they're not out to get every brolita that crosses their path, and it's pretty ridiculous and antisocial to "shut down" any kind of friendly inquiry or attempt to be courteous and nice. don't be standoffish or rude, just chill. generally just don't be a dick and enjoy yourself. comms and meets are fun. have fun. that's really the biggest thing.

>>8613157
>tfw you're shorter than me and your chest is smaller than mine- and I'm a girl.
I'm sure you look very cute.

>>8613197
If this is not bait, go to confession and pray that Mana-sama forgives you.

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>How did you discover lolita?
I've known about lolita for a long time, I'm not actually sure when I first discovered it because it's been so many years.
>Why do you want to wear it?
I'm >>8611775
>What kind of research have you already done?
I've been reading the lolita guidebook and browsing /cgl/. I've put off doing substantial research because up until recently I had made up my mind about not 'letting' myself get into lolita, which I'm trying to get over now.
>What aspect of lolita are you most confused or worried about?
Being judged by others, plain and simple. I do not want to appear as a fetishist or have people think that my dressing up is in any way sexually motivated. I'm also afraid that I won't be creative enough to pull off a successful coord, or that I won't be able to compensate for my male body and I'll look foolish. I also don't want to be an annoyance/source of discomfort to girls for 'intruding', I don't want my enjoyment to come at the expense of anyone.
>What's your height and shoulder/bust/waist measurements?
I'm 185.5 cm height. I'll have to measure my bust/waist when I get home tonight since I don't know off the top of my head
>What is your general hygeine/beauty routine like?
Fairly thorough for a male I guess. I have to be gentle with my curly hair and my skin is sensitive, so I tend to spend a lot of time grooming.
>How do you normally dress?
Plainly. Collared shirts and pants
>What lolita substyle(s) most interest you?
I'm not sure. I don't know which style I'm most suited to
>What is your planned budget for lolita?
Well so far I'm hoping to spend whatever it takes for at least one coord. I make decent income so I should be able to afford whatever I need.
>Post your favorite lolita picture and say something about it.
I love how ornate and intricate the design is on her dress. She's pretty and seems like she's having fun. Going out, being pretty and having fun is basically the draw of lolita to me

>How did you discover lolita?
A long time ago when hearing X-Japan for the first time and seeing a pic of Mana while searching for jrock. Like, how could a guy dominate this fashion, and why is he so pretty.
>Why do you want to wear it?
I've always liked the way it looked. I guess its just another way to try and look cute, male or female.
>What kind of research have you already done?
I recently started last month and I try to learn as much as I can. I feel like the standards for a brolita are exceptionally high. A brolita is either a 0 or a 10, no inbetween.
Starting from zero knowledge on makeup, body/face type, dress cuts, coords, etc is tough but I guess I'm lucky having a gf and some friends help a little, and I do a lot of art so I guess it comes easier. Figured out natural makeup is the only way, and makeup is mandatory since you need your eyes to pop. Don't skimp on cheap products.
>What aspect of lolita are you most confused or worried about?
Being in public. I also feel like comms are girls clubs and I'd be invading while praying that they accept me and not think I'm a creeper. Getting my coords/makeup wrong. I also suck at waist ties.
>What's your height and shoulder/bust/waist measurements?
5'10", 36cm shoulder 90cm bust 80 waist
>What is your general hygeine/beauty routine like?
Clean shave, deep pore cleanser and face moisturizer, facial cleanser during shower
>How do you normally dress?
Like a nerd. Loose fitting jeans and hoodie, tshirt or polo and sneakers. Sometimes I will wear a casual burando hoodie with friends outside, but thats the most burando I've done outside so far. I'm fine with pink casual clothes.
>What lolita substyle(s) most interest you?
I've been slowly building a sweet wardrobe but I keep hearing guys should do classic/goth. I might be interested in classic later but I really love non-OTT sweet for some reason.
>What is your planned budget for lolita?
I don't budget.

>>8613756
Hi anon, I'm LGB-chan from the guidebook. I'm so sorry about your story. I'm glad you're getting therapy though. Perhaps just immersing yourself like that could be useful?
Anyway, if you ever need any help, feel free to message the blog. I hope that lolita can potentially help you out with your mental situation, or at the very least be fun for you!

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Not a brolita, a Lolita.
Posting this golden piece of advice that I saw in another thread.

>>8612960
Is it weird that I prefer him in lolita instead of ouji?

>>8614250
Same, he has delicate facial features that suit lolita. Also ouji/ aristo comes off as cringey fedora to me.

>>8614267
>aristo comes off as cringey fedora to me
Explain this.
I find men's fashion to be obscenely more challenging to be creative with unless you live in a major city, and it took about 2 generations for men's fashion to come back to more elegant styles.

>>8614353
Too much time on /fa/ a few years ago, honestly. I do like classier mens fashion, and creative styles, I'm not just some minimalist/ street fashion drone. I wish men could experiment more. It's just the historical influence and long coats/ detailing (epaulets, excessive buttons), and often cheapness of ouji/ aristo (yes even brand can look cheap compared to actual historical fashion, but it's especially bad with offbrand ouji-ables) make me think of fedoras. M'lady and all that, especially since lolita is associated with weebs/ nerds. Also long hair on somebody who's not beardy/ built. You need to be super on point physically and with your outfit/ confidence to pull it off. Elliot's not that bad, he's just a bit nerdy. I think it would be that way with a lot of younger men unless they're model-tier. And it's not that I don't like aristo/ whatever, it just gives off that vibe to me. I think I've heard lolita called the female fedora.

>>8614379
Oh yeah plus general ill fitted clothes since they're often just one size fits all.

>>8614379
>I wish men could experiment more
I can speak from experience that is hard as fuck to do, both in availability and in perception. YSL could do all kinds of crazy shit and get called a style genius. Myself being a 6'1" black dude in Philly? Not so much.
>yes even brand can look cheap compared to actual historical fashion, but it's especially bad with offbrand ouji-ables
This is actually the problem, and is what I was talking about when I said "obscenely more challenging". The market is perceived low, and when a market is (perceived) low, quality suffers massively. I've actually had more success at aristocrat by using classical pieces of modern designers (I love you, Boss) and making "adjustments".
>Also long hair on somebody who's not beardy/built
Fuck that, bald with a beard.
>You need to be super on point physically and with your outfit/ confidence to pull it off
I've actually advised other guys in this regard (you'd be surprised at the interest guys show in aristo when they see the attention it draws, or just in the air around you; guys like fine dress, but know it's fucking hard to do), and I have a battery of staple advice:
Suck in your gut to where you want it to be and keep it there, being tense strengthens the abs all by itself over time.
Work out to be lean and healthy, stop thinking you need bulging biceps and delts like new bones, you can't fit in coats that way!
Fight the urge to mean mug when you are walking on the street. Yes, it's hard, I do it, too, but the eyes mean a whole fucking lot, wear shades if you must, unclench your fists and don't lock your jaw.
However, do walk tall, head and shoulders high, chest out. A SMALL amount of swagger is helpful. Proud, but reserved, confident, but a playful hint.
>>8614382
>general ill fitted clothes since they're often just one size fits all
>glares at closet with the few pieces I bought that were abysmal shit, can't even resell because won't let someone else deal with it

>>8614393
No I mean long hair on a skinny beardless guy is associated with fedoras, you're all good.
You sound like you know what you're doing, especially with regards to confidence/ your atmosphere (I notice my socially retarded brother does that clenched fist/ hunch thing). Also you recognize cheapness is a lot of the problem.
It's not for everybody.

>>8614393
And I know it's hard as fuck for guys to experiment. For one, it's hard finding the actual clothes, but being called gay/ harassed for dressing like a frat boy. When i said I wish men could experiment more, I was wishing it would be more socially acceptable for them to pull out a skirt, for example. Skirts are comfy as fuck.

>>8614400
>I notice my socially retarded brother does that clenched fist/ hunch thing
Well, mean mug isn't the same. Your bro sounds like standard awkward white boy, I know plenty of them. He probably shuffles when he walks, has a mop of hair on his head, etc
Mean/street mug is... a defense mechanism. If you've ever passed a guy on the street, and he looks like he is going to snap at the slightest provocation, he is likely street mugging. It's a brick wall against interaction, making yourself seem more dangerous than you actually are to stave off the people who actually are dangerous (including yourself, in more ways than you'd think).
As for the prices, god, don't remind me. I lurk some lolita threads and wish I could pay some of the prices for the lower end pieces, because paying $300 for a fitted waistcoat that isn't brown/grey/blue/black is grating, before we get to actual coats. Worse, I have unusual measurements for a guy (38"-30.5"-38"), so I always need to have whatever I buy fitted, and places that do men's alterations in my neckuvawoods... well, there 2 I trust.
>>8614401
>Skirts are comfy as fuck
I prefer long wraps to lounge in. I have 2 floor length black wraps, one with grommets at the hem, both cinching high at the waist, gifts from a friend in Europe, and I love them.
As for skirts, HAAAAAA. I couldn't even fathom getting down the street without jeers. Doesn't help my parents thought I was gay for years.

>>8613604
Lol, sorry that you comm was so salty Anon, but not everyone's that shitty. You seem to confuse the internet with real life where 80% of the time people actually won't pay as much attention to your special snowflake as as you whish they did.

>>8614652
>>8613718
Being hardened to expectations is better than going in expecting to be accepted due to similar inclinations.
Trust is something built and earned, and far too many people expect it as a matter of course and are scorched when they see it is as false and ephemeral as the air people use to speak.

>>8614001
It's mostly suggested that guys do classic or goth mainly because 1) avoid looking like a potential creep and 2) sometimes strong facial features, especially jaws can look a bit unsuited for sweet. But I don't think either of those reasons should stop you. If you make it clear your genuinely into the fashion and are trying to improve and create good coords, that will surreal for itself. And I've also seen plenty of guys who do look adorable in sweet, plus makeup can go a long way when applied correctly. Don't get discouraged, build a wardrobe you love!

Can we get some examples? Possibly in as many styles as possible?

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>>8615019
do you have any yourself?

will post a few.

>orgasmicyogurt

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>>8615132
>technotropism (for a parody, he is usually in boystyle)

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>>8615135
>alicedemise

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>>8615139
>3bstylez (also usually does boystyle)

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>>8615155
brolita/lolita couples are cute

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>>8615105
Yet somehow the vast majority of brolitas seem to be straight.

>>8615357
A lot of straight men have interest in crossdressing. A huge amount of transvestites and drag queens are straight.

Being kawaii ain't easy.

>>8615371
All I want is a boyfriend to j-fashion with, but all the j-fashion guys are straight and all the fashion gays are either hipster or tumblrcore.

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>>8615399

>>8615184
How can so much sass be encapsulated into one single photograph? I love it.

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>>8615402

>>8615399
Ehhh...needs coord improvement. So glad he's not posting photos of him sucking a dildo anymore.

>>8615402
Ita

>>8615406
Ita

>>8615413
>photos of him sucking a dildo
Ew.

>>8615406

> brolitas that don't shave

not even once.

>>8615506
As a brolita, I'm getting sick of the brolitas who don't shave with weak coords on CoF. Worse, asspats liking that whereas a brolita with an awesome coord without a goatee get less likes. Keep your damn goatee away from wearing AP.

>>8615391
> j-fashion guys are straight
Mana is the brolita God that might have an influence on this.

I wonder how many lolitas secretly want a brolita boyfriend they can either coord with of have him wear boystyle. I would love that.

>>8615532
>I wonder how many lolitas secretly want a brolita boyfriend they can either coord with of have him wear boystyle. I would love that.

Whenever I see a brolita, I vision a penis that's under layers of frills, petticoats, bloomers, and maybe panties that's in dire need of a good sucking.

>>8615532
Guys giving themselves an excuse to wear frilly shit. The buthurt is real. I'm only here to laugh at the orcs in dresses

>>8615535
Stay classy cgl

>>8615542
Granted there are guys who can pull it off then good on then. But othose who look so munted don't bother

>>8615438
who is this coord lord?

>>8613517
Might be semi-off topic but, for waist ties, look up videos on Youtube, like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ph3KpC4VoY . The trick is to tie them in front, then unbutton them, and rebutton them on the back. Much easier than tying it behind your back! Just practice a bunch. I even tie other things in the waist-tie method now simply because it's easier and makes neater bows.

>>8615556
>The trick is to tie them in front, then unbutton them, and rebutton them on the back.
whoa. this is life-changing.

>>8615553
Dunno I got that pic off here.

>>8615399
Why does his head look so huge?

>>8613339
In reference to the way sissies get treated: First, lolitas hate sissies and ageplayers. Sissies don't hate anyone. Second, the Lolita comms police their members. You need a fake profile if you join a comm, or you need to be a "perfect" person. The comms police their people, and Brolitas are especially targeted.

>>8615291
Is this a brolita? He/she should still make an effort to learn how to do at least basic makeup...

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>>8617162
I don't really bother with makeup for outfit shots because most of my face is obscured and my eye makeup is still basic as hell. Pic related.

Is it really that much of a distraction?

>>8617239
Even if it's basic eye makeup, I think you should. Try it again with the makeup and compare the pics yourself. Or just cover your entire face with your phone.

>>8617239
Mfw we have the exact same haircut
Uncanny. Mine is recently cut, so no hair on sides.

Post full pic, I must know if we are twins

>>8617145
Fucking good. Sissies are disgusting, if they hide it, fine, but I don't want to see that shit. Also they get off on humiliation/ being dressed like a girl so when we interact with them we are basically taking place in their sick fetish. Fucking degenerates. I don't give a shit if I'm 'kind shaming'.

>>8617279
Agreed. I just don't get it though. The brolitas I've seen looks miserable as fuck. Probably hoping to get the same attention as lolitas.hell especially the munted looking ones

>>8617239
>Is it really that much of a distraction?
Yes, bc you're the most polished photo here but what is shown of your face just doesn't quite suit the femininity of your lovely coord.
You would benefit from learning how to use more makeup (darker/winged eyeliner, thinner eyebrows) and softening your expression.
Of course, lolita means different things for different people tho. In any case I like your style! Do you post your outfit shots anywhere?

>>8617145
>First, lolitas hate sissies and ageplayers. Sissies don't hate anyone.

It's a clash of objectives, you might say a disagreement in social contracts, even.

In lolita groups, the dresses are objects of beauty and to be coveted. The girls with wardrobes of many coveted pieces, who always dress well are to be aspired to, even idolised. Brand is god, good aartisan pieces are revered, taobao and bodyline is okay. Cheap-looking pieces are given the side eye, itas get posted to the ita thread for everyone to bitch about. A lolita is considered "good" if she can coordinate her outfits well.

Sissies, on the other hand, treat both the clothes and girls wearing them as nothing more than means to the end of whacking off, the clothes could have been cheap and mismatched, and the girls only need to fit into some predefined fantasy roles, sissies could not care less about fashion or looks (or sometimes even their own hygiene).

Right there and then you see the problem. The very object one group values as the core of their group is totally diregarded by the other group. They're not going to get along.

To top things off, sissies are indulging in a kink, but when they invite themselves to a lolita meetup, they're essentially imposing their kink onto a group of people that may contain underage minors, and they're doing it without consent. It's a dodgy move to be doing fetish stuff to grown women without their consent, it makes you wonder how low their social awareness is, and what other stupid shit they might pull. Add minors to the mix and whole thing now reeks of pedophilia as well. Not really a personality you want to be around.

Really, the two groups should never meet at all, all of their objectives and core values are completely different. No sissy should ever expect to be treated well at a lolita meetup, and no lolita should ever try to go to a sissy meetup. That's all there is to it.

>>8615399
Legs no good.

>>8617479

You're new or something.

There used to be:
> some guy who consistently posted fap threads. Got bitchy when gulls posted hot males to the thread. Kept coming back despite being banned at least once.
>tits and ass followed the fap threads. Many threads. This guy really wanted to post porn on "the girl board", despite it being a blue board and other boards being more suitable for it
>followed by threads on actual gravure/soft porn cosplayers.
>threads asking for upskirt/naked pics of random cosplayers.
>webm thread, all from porn vids. Thread also full of r9k-types who bashed anyone who came in to comment. Thank moot for letting us hide threads.
>that guy who posted thread after thread wanting a lolita gf, followed by a thread wanting a Jill Somebody cosplayer gf (bc lolitas are apparently insane), and then after a year just a really pathetic thread about wanting a gf, any gf bc "so lonely, I'm a psychopath".
>"I'm a guy, but <insert opinion that has nothing to do with gender>"
>the random "Guys don't want skinny/fat/whatever girls" in the body threads. We know this and don't give a shit, get a clue.
>con sex threads, plus someone is always asking how to hook up with "consluts" in the con generals. We're not going to have a good opinion of a dude who (a)wants to hook up with sluts, and (b)needs hand holding whilst doing it.
>some idiots (multiple) went around in the drawpost/cof/image threads "rating" the lolitas. We really don't care which girls you think are bangable, shut up and stay out of the fashion.


And I'm already excluding the "tfw no gf" comments, the people who post "girls are gross" anytime menstruation is discussed (we know it's gross, we're stuck with it, so if you're going to point and jeer, you certainly aren't earning brownie points), as well as the "lolitas are ageplayers" troll threads.

I know, this is 4chan, but put it all together and you can see how it's all going to add up to a negative opinion.

>>8617519
Another anon, but considering we used to get raided on a biweekly basis before the rules got stricter, it's not impossible to believe that it's people from other boards.

>>8617519
>>8617521

So you definitely weren't there, and you're definitely more mad than I am. I'll try to explain just once, maybe you can try to listen.

The fap threads weren't just porn. They were full of comments implying all females were sluts. If you let slip that you're a girl, you'll also have tirades thrown at you about all women are sluts, you have daddy issues, and your pussy must be loose.

After you've read enough of those, you can sort of feel that they're hoping to rile some girl up enough so that they can get an argument going that would keep the thread on the first page.

Trust me on this. You weren't here. I was. So you imagine the threads to be full of harmless porn. Me, I read the mean comments. I saw shit being slung. I waded through it to page 6 to get to lolita general. And remember, this was before we could hide threads we didn't like, before we had catalogs, so there's no way to not read it.

I'm not even mad, like I said, their motive soon became transparent. But it does build up over time. So now when I see some dude crying over in the feels thread I tend to ignore it, who knows if it's just another troll, same as I'm not going to respond any more to this line of discussion, just in case you are a troll.

How to know they aren't board regulars? For starters, they couldn't get a proper argument started in any of the really technical threads. They tried, mind you, but calling a pile of fabric samples a slut only goes so far, I don't think they knew how to get an argument about worbla or poly fabric going. So they left those alone.

Second, you actually do get r9k and pol stuff thrown at you. Some arguments will start out with calling women sluts, and then devolve into some kind of anti-feminism politics rant towards the end.

Again, take your own advice, get less mad. This is just plain history being explained to you, it's not an attack on you either. Good luck on your journey, anon.

>>8617353
I have never seen any sissies impose their kinks on anyone. I have seen more lolitas refer to kink than I have sissies. The sissies that I have seen on FB love to ageplay, but I have never seen them impose kink or advertise kink. I have seen more lolitas impose negativity on others. Whether sissies wear cheap and tacky dresses or not, most sissies don't impose kink on anyone. I have never seen sissies treat girls with disregard either.

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This brolita was at the Chicago megameet this year!

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>>8618586

>>8618556

>when they invite themselves to a lolita meetup

>>8618093
this is a good post

>>8618586
i d'awwed

>>8615399
He never looks good but I think he is poor, so he can never afford good blouses, shoes, accessories, etc.

>>8618796
I wish I had a reaction image of Stacy London from What Not to Wear holding up 5 tshirts to a participant while yelling "This could have been a nice suit jacket!"
Yeah I get being broke, but if you're broke and own 6 shitty bodyline blouses and a bunch of walmart flats you could have not bought any of those and saved the money you would have spent on them on a really nice blouse or nice pair of shoes.

>>8618556
Thanks for mansplaining.

>>8618586
This is so pretty!

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>>8615438
>>8615553
another from reverse image

>>8618586
are there any more brolitas who do classic?

>>8618813
I... just... I agree with you, but there are so many things wrong with that word...

>>8618713
How do sissies invite themselves to Lolita meetups. Doesn't in make any sense that they want to be lolitas? Before Lolita dresses were available outside of Japan, the only way to dress in frills was to have a custom-tailored sissy dress made.

>>8620123
>>8620419
>sissy trying to defend himself

>>8618586
This is my fetish

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>How did you discover lolita?
Before getting into lolita, I was involved with the cosplay community and there's plenty of crossover with lolita. I saw friends wearing a bunch of amazing coords and decided I wanted to get into it, eventually.
>Why do you want to wear it?
It's basically the most adorable thing imaginable. It's different, yet incredibly cute, and I end up getting a self-confidence boost from wearing it.
>What kind of research have you already done?
Before I put together my first coord, I learned makeup, got a wig and learned to crossdressing normal women's clothes without being a failure before jumping into lolita. I read lots of /cgl/, daily-lolita on LJ and generally looked at a billion coords to understand how to not fuck it up. I've done something like 5 coords now and I'd say I'm doing okay.
>What aspect of lolita are you most confused or worried about?
Makeup for sweet lolita. I always mess it up.
>What's your height and shoulder/bust/waist measurements?
178cm, 42cm/88cm (before stuffing), 100cm (after stuffing)/78cm
>What is your general hygeine/beauty routine like?
Facewash every day, exfoliate every other day. Use moisturizer in winter. Keep brows trim. Before a meetup, I always exfoliate before shaving and shave against the grain with a fresh blade. I always remove body hair before a meetup, because dark hair can show through lighter coloured blouses and most tights.
>How do you normally dress?
Boring male fashion. I've crossdressed (non-lolita) before.
>What lolita substyle(s) most interest you?
Classic! I've worn sweet a bit, and want to try gothic as well. Oh, and ouji! I must try ouji.
>What is your planned budget for lolita?
I spend about $250/mo on all things related to dressing in lolita (incl. makeup, wigs, etc).
>Post your favorite lolita picture and say something about it.
I'd like to make my next coord something like this.

>>8620614
You're stuffing way too much.

>>8613604
Speak on about this. I had some awful experiences of my own.

>>8620435
No, just answering question. How does a sissy invite himself to a Lolita meetup? Aren't the Lolita comms closed groups? Also you're right: "Sissy trying to defend himself." With your ignorance, you should be running for president.

>>8621394
Most lolita comms are closed groups, yes. But sometimes, they are a bit lax about letting people in based on surface/profile details. From a glance, it can be hard to tell a sissy from someone who just doesn't know what they're doing yet. Especially if it's an older male who has no idea how to do make-up or hair.

The creepers often don't reveal how bad they are until after they've been at a few meets. And lolitas are notoriously weak-spined when it comes to excising troubling members from their ranks. Just look at the sheer volume of scammers who get second, third, and fourth chances.

Polite sage, because I'm of the opinion that lolitas should be more proactive when they encounter creepers and not just let it slide for months on end. Not saying it's their own fault, but honestly. If someone is being a creep? Do something about it. Don't make excuses or hem and haw about what action to take. If people are uncomfortable, either talk to them or kick them out. The end.

>>8620435
Post pictures of sissies at meetups. This is interesting.

>>8613197
i wish brolitas would just fuck off, the majority of them are so fucking creepy. and its always such a pain in the ass getting rid of them in comms because nobody wants to offend the cross dresser and look homophobic or some shit.

>>8621402
alot of the PC stuff hurts the community, especially when shit like 'kink shaming' is a thing that tumblrinas love. i pity the comm...

>>8621905

>kink shaming
I pray I'll be dead before they make up more retarded shit like this

>>8620055
Is this fucking Fahr

>>8622170
No it's not.

>>8622170
What makes you think that?

>>8622206
The photoshop and face jewels, I guess

>>8620614
i like this maturer style. goes well with masculine facial structures.

>>8613339
There is no such thing as misandry.

>>inb4 go back to tumblr.

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>>8623269

Take your anxiety meds dear.

>>8614379
The problem really is that men are not taught at all how to be creative or how to properly fit themselves for clothes.

>>8614393
I say this without any irony. I need to friend myself with you. Live in the same state. Interested in penpaling over email?

>>8623441
Neither are women, really. There wasn't any class on 'how to be creative' or 'how to dress nice' (at least for me). It was mostly a thought of "I want to dress nice" and then I went to Google-sama. I do agree that there is more societal pressure on men to not deviate from the gender norms though.

>>8618586
You're so cuuuute!!! Awesome coord, respect!

>>8613209
I don't think it really is a trend perse, most people are positive or don't have a fuck to give about it. I think there has just been those two creeper brolitas shitting it up recently. There is probably only one or two anti-brolita salty-chans here being loud enough for 20.

Don't be discouraged future brolitas, I've never met another lolita who actually gives a shit. Even if there are haters just do what makes you happy and ignore it as best you can.

>>8613604
Jesus Christ I think you just had a crappy comm anon.

Honestly, all of the things said to take heed of could apply to either gender or waist size if you belong to a shitty comm; and if the comm is like this then you probably wouldn't want to be a part of it anyway.

Don't settle for a crappy comm just because you think that they are all like this so you need to put up with it. They aren't like that. Some are but most aren't. If you can't access a non-phsychotic comm then don't join one, be a lone lolita or use one of the many ways to find online lolita friends out there because there is nothing wrong with this.

I don't really like the understanding of "They needed to work twice as hard to be taken seriously"? because this just screams victim complex. Why you might ask? Well because anyone who isn't born as the effortless and perfect current ideal in lolita has to work twice as hard to be taken seriously. This phenomenon isn't restricted to race or gender, it applies for all in this subculture that don't fit an 'ideal'; be they: ugly, plain, fat, male, female, black, white, yellow, olive, disabled, deformed, pimply, vision impaired, austist, annoying, stupid as fuck, bad hair, bad skin, bad teeth, too tall, midget, mouth breather etc. etc. etc.

Stop thinking your so hard done by.

>>8615556
Actually bow tie method. I died when I drunkenly learned how to tie a bow tie and then quickly dashed to my room to apply my new knowledge to my waist ties. Best night of beer in my life.

>>8623269
Your a fucking idiot anon.

>>8624209
Which two creeper brolitas are you mentioning here? Brolitas tend to get called sissy and treated like shit often.

>>8617239
In this photo your face looks so feminine but not in the other one. It's the brows I think. Anyways you have a cute face and if your jawline isn't too strong, you'll pass easily

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>How did you discover lolita?
Used to be interested in goth fashion and discovered gothic lolita through that. Then discovered the rest.

>Why do you want to wear it?
I just want to look damn cute!

>What kind of research have you already done?
Mostly the styles of dresses but I have pretty much all the items of clothing sussed.

>What aspect of lolita are you most confused or worried about?
Make up! Particulary contouring, ive no idea how it all works.

>What's your height and shoulder/bust/waist measurements?
Height 5'7", bust 34", waist 31"

>What is your general hygeine/beauty routine like?
Shower and face wash every day, also use skin conditioner and moisturizer.

>How do you normally dress?
Jeans and tshirt with a casual shirt.

>What lolita substyle(s) most interest you?
Currently, Sweet.

>What is your planned budget for lolita?
No budget so far, I've just been buying stuff to get me started.

>Post your favorite lolita picture and say something about it.
The photo is my current effort. Obviously I need to improve. A lot.

How do you brolitas feel about having sex in women's clothing? Are you straight? So you like to fugg? Would you date a girl who was into that sort of thing?

I want a cross dressing bf so bad. I would be okay with a trans gf, too, I just love dick.

Brolitas= the gamer girls of lolita. Really.

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>>8627578
>Nope.

>>8627578
do you honestly think all brolitas will either say yes or no? nothing any one male lolita says will have any bearing on your love life.

>>8614250
Same, anon. I also really prefer him with some bangs and soft curls, as he has a very high forehead, so his normal cut isn't the most flattering.

>>8627607
I just want to know if there are any out there who would want to date me? I have a lot of different sexual interests besides this, I'm just wondering where most boy lolitas are in terms of sex.

Like, I know a lot are scared to come out as sexually submissive because of the whole sissy stereotype and that's fine, but we're anon here and I'm just wondering.

Are you a sub? Dom? Are you just a normal guy with a normal sexuality who just happens to like lolita? I feel like most would be gay but I keep hearing about straight ones and it makes me wonder if they have a fetish. Most women are sexually submissive anyhow and many love to dress up cute for sexy times, so I don't get why they get so mad about men doing the same thing. It doesn't mean he can't appreciate the fashion. Just keep it to yourself like everyone else does. Either way I think it's cute as fuck and I want a brolita bf.

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>>8614267
Eh, I like either or.

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>>8612960
>How did you discover lolita?
A couple of years ago on the internet I saw the image of a lolita and thought it was a random cosplay to discover later that it was more like a lifestyle.
>Why do you want to wear it?
It's so damn cute and adorable, I like it a lot.
>What kind of research have you already done?
I've just started studying coords, I had no idea that brolitas existed, so this is kind of a relief. But I have a background on fashion, so yeah.
>What aspect of lolita are you most confused or worried about?
Mainly makeup and being accepted as a male in this community.
>What's your height and shoulder/bust/waist measurements?
I'm not sure about s/b/w, but I'm about 1,75m.
>What is your general hygeine/beauty routine like?
I bath two times a day, shave everyday, apply face cleaner/moisturizer and been taking care of my hair, cleaning every other day and brushing as well as applying some other hair products.
>How do you normally dress?
Normal male clothing, jeans and t-shirts.
>What lolita substyle(s) most interest you?
Sweet and classic
>What is your planned budget for lolita?
None yet, I'll take my time if needed.
>Post your favorite lolita picture and say something about it.
He's a brolita, but is so cute the way he looks in that dress, even cuter than other lolitas out there.

>>8627749
>He's a brolita

Nicholael/Edward is a girl.

>>8627757
WHAT!?
That's a surprise... It was tagged as brolita on tumblr.
Sorry for that.

>>8627718
Not wanting to date you, but I'll answer your question.
I'm a bit submissive, but that doesn't change the fact that I'm a straight male with no fetish of the kind. If it where to be a fetish than it'd just feed even more the stereotype and aversion of the cross dresser. And if by sissy you mean liking woman with strapons and shit, then it's a no.

>>8627770
I've always wanted a guy who likes light submission. Is it hard to find girls like that?

>>8627890
Nope.

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>How did you discover lolita?
10 years ago when I was in college.
>Why do you want to wear it?
Because I've always wanted to dress up and feel like a princess. I've wanted to crossdress (Term wise I prefer using otoko no ko or brolita to describe myself) for a while but my living situation wasn't the best privacy wise, but I've recently gotten a job in another city 6 hours away so I'll be on my own again. I think it's kind of crap how boring and plain male fashion is when women have way more options to express themselves and to accessorize.
>What kind of research have you already done?
I've read /cgl/ for a while since late 2012 but for the past year I've been busy with my job to do more research.
>What aspect of lolita are you most confused or worried about?
Make up, my shoulders (It doesn't help I'm a mesomorph), joining a comm, passing.
>What's your height and shoulder/bust/waist measurements?
5'8" for height. I'm trying to get my waist measurement to down below 30 inches as much as I can. I don't think I can do much about my shoulders but at least waist measurements won't be as much of a problem.
>What is your general hygeine/beauty routine like?
I shower once or twice a day and use moisturizer/sunscreen in the morning. Night time I do cleanser->exfoliating scrub->toner-> night cream and do clay facials once a week. Needless to say my skin is really good and /cgl/ has been an excellent resource in that regard.
>How do you normally dress?
Usually button downs/V neck tshirts with straight fit jeans
>What lolita substyle(s) most interest you?
Gothic and classic.
>What is your planned budget for lolita?
I have a good job so splurging on brand every now and then won't hurt the bank. I do plan to get a lot of Fanplusfriend/Indie stuff though.
>Post your favorite lolita picture and say something about it.
This is probably my dream JSK. I'd love to pair it up with these Alice Margatroid/Touhou Project tights I bought and some star themed accessories!

>>8624217
I got victimized by members of my former comm. Then I was summarily kicked out without any explanation or chance to defend myself. This is one of the "better" comms.

>>8624226

I need to try this and see if it works on my waist ties. TQ anon!

>>8627578
>>8627718
I don't think any broad generalizations apply to brolitas. They're more likely to be queer, but they're wearing dresses, so what did you expect? Plenty are straight, or bi/pan. Most brolitas I know want to keep lolita and what goes on in bed separate.

I'd date a lolita, and wearing cute stuff in bed is okay (maid outfit? sailor fuku? I dunno) but please keep lolita out of it.

One other thing: I don't think I'd date within my own lolita comm, because if things go sour, drama and such could get really messy and I value my comm too much to drag it into that.

>>8628240
>sissy

GET OUT

>>8628245
I'm a brolita and I haven't really experienced any of your issues. Honestly, everyone who actually wants to become better at the fashion experiences the "I need to be xyz% better than everyone else to be recognized" thought. It's not just brolitas who have the problem, it's every new person to a comm. You aren't a special snowflake by just being a brolita, so don't think that way. Everyone has the same struggle being new to a comm.

At the end of the day, it's not rocket science to be accepted as a brolita into a comm and also to be accepted by the members. You just have to have a legitimate interest in the fashion and a real desire to improve on your look in the fashion. If you don't have both of those, you don't belong in the group anyways. It's pretty simple.

>>8628550
no. go to a different thread. better yet, a different board.

>>8628553
this is offtopic.

>>8628369
>Everyone has the same struggle being new to a comm.
i disagree with this. everyone may struggle, but every struggle is different. being of a different gender than the main group is usually a big deal, but not always. some male lolitas will have to work harder than others because each situation is different. usually, men in a female-dominant space have to be extra careful about how they present themselves, the same way women in a male-dominated space have to be careful.

everyone struggles, but each struggle is different, and some do need to work harder than others to be accepted.

>>8628644
I'd not say work harder, but give means for them to accept you. Like, there are black, fat and male lolitas, and all of those have struggled mostly because of how they act, not because they are fat, black or male. If you get yourself a sweet ass look it'll be praised by what it is, not because it was a male that made it or other shit.

>>8627766
They identify as male I thought.

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>>8627578
>>8627718
>>8628550
You couldn't possibly be leading the brolita thread into discussion of sex and fantasies, furthering stereotypes.

>>8628740
As said by >>8628724 , that's a stereotype, oftenly a depictured image of a whole that is the brolita community. Look the coords and brolitas above, they're not all like that... atrocious thing that you posted.

>>8627749
>>8627766

Holy shit, is people tagging her as brolita? I kind of get it since she uses a boys name, but still...

I know him, he's really nice and just starting out. He's still active and asks a lot of questions.

>>8629368
Who?

>>8628740
Steve Martin is a brolita?!

Man. There was this brolita at my old comm I was friends with who was pretty cool. Things got weird after I found this really degrading video of him sucking another man's dick. It was really high quality, too, which weirded me the fuck out. I don't know what it was that compelled me to confront him about it, but I did. He acted like he didn't know what I was talking about (but was obviously nervous) until I showed him the porno. He then said that he only did it to make money and that they had forced him to do things that he wasn't comfortable with and that he would never star in porn again after that experience. I promised never to tell anyone but he left lolita permanently anyhow after I confronted him and he also cut off all contact with me. The funniest part of it all is that he continues to insist that he's straight. He sucks dick for women's clothing, wtf. Thinking back, I sort of wonder if he was borderline.

Is this where you want to be when Jesus comes back?

>>8629668
JESUS WAS NOTHING BUT A FUCKING JEW
IF WE WERE IN AUSCHWITZ, I'D GIVE HIM A TATTOO

>>8629673
Calm down idiot, it's a quote from Joe Dirt.

>>8629685
That movie was shit

>>8628724
I'm sorry, I don't mean to be disgusting. I'm just really fucking horny and feel like talking about sex, but also want to talk about brolitas.

>>8629918
Then talk about brolitas, if you're oldfag help the male lolitas with their shit. I like this thread, but it bugs me that there's only shit being discussed at all moments instead of giving feedback and advice to those that want to start. Stop talking about sex in a thread that has nothing to do with it and help them out a bit giving advice. For example, what are my options hairwise? I have a long wavy brown hair that I take care since my teenage years, should I go with a wig or is it good for me to just do my hair and go out. If the wigs are better then should I go for what kind of wig, colour and lenght.

>>8630590
Different anon, but I agree. As for hair advice, it would depend on how your hair looks. If it's well styled and you've got layers to soften your face, im sure it'd be fine especially for casual lolita, however, I'd invest in a wig anyway. I think it will help with passing better. Just because you have long hair doesn't mean it'll work well on it's own. Most guys who have long hair don't get it cut and styled like girls normally do (bangs and layers). Find a natural colored wig, preferably prestyled and something close to your own hair color.

>>8630619
I don't have bangs and been thinking about giving it a layered cut in the near future. People say my hair is better than most females around me, but I may as well buy a wig just because styling my hair on my own will be a pain, so a wig might solve that problem. Thanks a ton, Anon.

>>8630590
I agree with the other anons that you should get a wig. If you don't have bangs, don't bother using your own hair. Make sure you get something which covers your forehead, possibly with whispy bangs or a side part. Stick to your natural hair colour, so they match your brows and you stand out that much less.

Should I go for home made dresses or just modify brand dresses? It might be really hard to find a dress on the main lolita brands that fits men out of the bet, so what shall I do? Commission someone in my area to do it, modify or create my own? [spoiler] I can't sew for shit, but can learn with time [/spoiler]

>>8628740
why did you post my photo without asking?

>>8631700
>not knowing how this website works

kek

Bump?

Is there someone here willing to help a guy out?
I d like to try this but I'm too much of a poorfag to buy all the supplies just to be disappointed.

>>8632813
Post your questions, ya dingus.

>>8632813
Feel free to make questions, that's what this thread is for anyway.

>>8631561
see if you can commission first. build up your sewing skills with other small projects until you can tackle a lolita dress.

>>8631561
Neither? Buy main pieces off Taobao. Numerous stores will custom size items for you, if necessary. The Taobao spreadsheet in the Taobao thread indicates which do this. Also, many of us fit brand items without extensive alterations (e.g. just lengthening the straps).

Most attempts at homemade dresses wind up being an ita train wreck. Don't try unless you're already very good at sewing.

>>8629660
M-more details? Interesting story, anon. I'd honestly probably confront anyone I found out was doing porn too. I wouldn't even be judgemental, I'd just want to know what the fuck they're doing. Did you find it looking for gay porn or what?

>>8633232
>I'd honestly probably confront
yeah that doesn't sound judgmental at all

>>8633235
And? I'd just want to see their reaction, honestly. Sex work isn't beneath anyone, but damn I'd be curious. You put yourself out there, there's always the risk someone will find you.

>>8632915
>>8632813

I guess I didn't make it clear enough, sorry.
I was asking for some irl help.
As in someone with a dress that I could try on and so forth.
I know its a bit unusual but maybe someone is interested.

>>8633475
nobody ever is.

even female lolitas don't usually get that.

>>8633519
well i guess it was worth the shot.

>>8633519
Oh than I am the luckyest guy in the World

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>>8633672

tfw iktf

>>8633475
We're together being poor, man. My country is in crysis and it sucks now that I can't import stuff from tao bao and aliexpress. Either way, I don't think lolitas nor brolitas are comfortable letting people use their dresses even if it's just to test it out, they have like a connection to their shit like Mon and son.

>>8633247
Let's not go into sex again, please? I understand that it may be interesting but it seems people always to towards sex in this board when discussing about males.

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idk if this kodona counts as brolita but im trying to find a button up like pic related? am i going to have to make it?

>>8634355
it's called ouji; "kodona" is a term that was mistakenly spread based on a mistranslated interview. we have /ouG/ which is a slow moving general (check the catalog).

the pic looks like a salopette, a word brands use to describe both shorts and skirts that are sort of overalls-like. that particular inage is super old so i don't think you would be able to find that particular salopette, but it looks like Putumayo, and they still make a lot of punkish ouji items (pic related).

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>>8634372
forgot pic

>>8634372
>>8634380
bless you based anon

Answering the survey Part 1 of 2

>How did you discover lolita?
Saw a few very well dressed girls at anime cons then started collecting Japanese fashion magazines.

>Why do you want to wear it?
The fashion is feminine, elegant, detailed and cute. Those qualities are very appealing to me and dressing in Lolita is a departure from my usual attire. I've also made many lovely friends through lolita.

>What kind of research have you already done?
I gather up information and track down links to individual dresses, accessories, models or shops.
I've lurked for many years online, taking the time to get a sense of everything and how the community works.
Also, I've been collecting Kera, Gothic & Lolita Bible, Spoon and similar magazines.

>What aspect of lolita are you most confused or worried about?
It can be difficult to keep track of all the new dresses being released and even harder to track down older items. I also feel like my choices are limited because I need to find dresses that are generally accepted to be tasteful while also making sure they'll fit me.

>What's your height and shoulder/bust/waist measurements?
Height: 175cm, 5' 9"
Shoulder: 36cm, 14"
Bust: 84cm, 33"
Waist: 76cm, 30"

>What is your general hygeine/beauty routine like?
For general hygiene I exfoliate my arms and face semi-regularly, cleansing and moisturising often too.
For hair removal I epilate my arms fortnightly, shave my legs when the hair is noticeable and shave my facial hair weekly.

>How do you normally dress?
I'm colourful and wear all sorts of T-Shirts, jeans, cardigans and sometimes a nice shirt. My wardrobe is a mix of geeky, cute and casual.

>What lolita substyle(s) most interest you?
Sweet catches my attention for how girly and cute it can be and the hair accessories are fun.
Gothic also appeals to me due to how detailed and interesting it can be. There's a certain appeal to combining dark and edgy concepts with elegant fashion.

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Answering the survey Part 2 of 2

>What is your planned budget for lolita?
Spending a few hundred (Australian dollars) to build up a wardrobe of blouses, shoes, wigs and accessories, then every few months choosing a nice dress to buy.
I've already invested in enough makeup to cover my bases too.

>Post your favorite lolita picture and say something about it.
Rin Rin pulls this look off really nicely. The whites, pastel purples and pinks balance well and her signature hairstyle even matches. Her makeup is a little bit bright but it suits her. Her pose looks really natural too.
She's one of many Japanese fashion models that I've learnt a lot from.

I kind of want to wear lolita and get into comms but I somehow feel compelled to continue cutting until I can fit more feminine sizes

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>>8612960

>How did you discover lolita?
used to be a massive weaboo and discovered it looking at Japanese trends, also had a friend who later did it
>Why do you want to wear it?
it's another world of fashion so over the top in many styles but refined to an art by some
>What kind of research have you already done?
Mostly follow shop sites (haenuli/AP/even just taobao), browse /cgl/ talk to my friend
>What aspect of lolita are you most confused or worried about?
Finding cute dresses I like that actually fit me, being segregated by lolitas
>What's your height and shoulder/bust/waist measurements?
Height 178cm - 5'10"
Shoulder 48cm - 19"
Bust 106cm - 41.2"
Waist 102 - 40"
>What is your general hygeine/beauty routine like?
exfoliate my face twice a week, moisturise every day (need a better moisturizer though) total shave each week
>How do you normally dress?
very plain baggy clothes (when not wearing work uniform)
>What lolita substyle(s) most interest you?
Otome Kei, Classic, Gothic, maybe sweet if it I could find slightly more mature coords
>What is your planned budget for lolita?
this is up in the air right now
>Post your favorite lolita picture and say something about it.
it's debatable to some about otome kei being in lolita but I absolutely love this, the blues the china floral the use of ribbons without overdoing it.

>>8627159
Obviously I can't say anything about your make-up, but to a noob like me you seem to have done a good job. What do you think you need to improve?

>>8628362
There were and will always be sissies.

>>8613521
The guy from SF got banned over a year after his threat. He had more brand than many of the lolitas in his comm. He published his wardrobe several times, with all the correct names. The people who recruited a personal army against him were a very few.

So, I'm probably going to start getting into all this for the first time. I haven't crossdressed in over a decade, when I started growing body hair and became disgusted with myself. I started working out, eating differently, an entire lifestyle change. Even found some workout routines that will help me get a better bodytype to crossdress with.

However, there is one major factor that I still need more information on - what to do if you have sensitive skin and get razorburn easily. I found a couple of videos, but most of them deal with the alcohol in shaving creams and using multi-bladed razors. Does anyone have any tips for shaving rough, coarse European hair without having zit-looking red dots popping up all over where you shaved?

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>>8638388
>defending MB

>>8638804
What workout routine? I've just been running and cutting carbs since I've built up some fat on my belly.

Maybe you can try an epilator? Or try getting it waxed.

>>8639016
Not that Anon, but I got the same problem. I've tried razors and lotion, razors with one blade and even wax shaving, that hurts a lot on most areas and leaves pimples like razors.

>>8638812
>Yes, defending MB

>>8638804
I use two electric razors for my body. I use a professional grooming razor first for the longer and more coarse hair, then a lighter razor to smooth my skin.

>>8640600
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>>8631561
Don't try sewing modifications into a brand dress. Find someone who is good at sewing to do it for you if you need modifications. Fitting a dress is difficult for many people, including ladies. Just be able to get the dress on and fastened.

>>8627578
Portland?

>>8636455
Thanks! I'm mostly about the make up at this stage. I want to get that right, including getting my beard shadow fully covered, before I brave the streets of Harajuku. Also my boots increase my height a fair bit so I'm wondering what shoes might work with the rest of the outfit ...

>>8627578
About having sex in women's clothing: if the dress is a $330 JSK, $135 blouse, $40 headbow and $35 wig, $120 (brand) petti, FORGET IT! POINT THAT THING AWAY FROM ME!

>>8635826

Oh wow, I used to know Rin Rin in college.

>>8642331

You should check out Shimokitazawa if you have a chance. Not only is it a more fun/hipster neighborhood, but when I was there in August I was pleasantly surprised to see some of the second hand clothing shops selling Lolita - One store in particular right off the main drag had a complete second hand AP coordinate on display.

Trans girl here, how passable do you have to be to not get pegged as a brolita?

>>8644189
Did you buy it??

Thanks for the tip, I'll check it out this Tuesday.

>>8644189
Do you recall where it was? I'll be going soon.

>>8644505
Being that most comms are on Facebook (so people can see your name + gender there), most people will call you by proper pronouns without any troubles.

If you're not very passable or have an unconventional bodytype, people will be snarky about it behind your back. There's not much to be done about it, and this applies regardless of your gender identity. Given that lolita covers up most of your body, it shouldn't be hard to be fairly passable, short of your voice.

Like the rest of us trying to fit in, it helps an awful lot to have a good first coord, as that will make it clear to people that you're serious about the fashion and not some fetishist, which they'll still be suspicious about if you're a transwoman.

Best of luck!

>>8645510
http://i.imgur.com/s5p65Pn.jpg

Do I look okay enough to not get snarky comments behind my back? Or should I wait longer for hormones to actually do something? I'm still only like two months in and they haven't affected my appearance much.

The thing you said about being thought of as some kind of fetishist is what I'm afraid of really. I wanna wear goth loli though and as I understand it most of the creepy fetishy types tend to go for sweet so maybe I'll avoid suspicion based on that anyways.

>>8646049
Dif anon but if you experiment with some more makeup I think you'll be fine, your face is very thin and you've got some great cheekbones so I think you'll pass pretty easy.

>>8646049
Take it from a guy, you're cute.
Everyone will talk behind your back independent if you're a guy, gal, trans or nonbinary, they are people and they do it to everyone, as >>8645510 said, the only thing is to do what you do the best you can, as well as anyone else.
>creepy fetishy types tend to go for sweet
I really like sweet, I'd like it to be the style for my first coord, and I don't care if I look like a fetishist for being 23, male, having a deep voice inside a lolita dress, I wanna go into it more because I really like frilly stuff, I'd have my home all in pastel colours and cute things if I had the money to do so.

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>>8646049

I've seen you post on /mtfg/s a few times
I think you'll be fine makeup contouring is like magic and wigs frame your face anyway if you're worried.
on the subject of your HRT, your face should round out between your jaw and cheekbones most likely but there's no reason to wait till then, this is all a confidence game the more confident you are (and I know how difficult it can be too) the easier it is to pull off the lolita look.

Best of luck to you young lady

>>8646049
You've got a really defined pretty & cute face (in Dietrich kind of way, pretty & vintage). Since gothic is a more mature style I'm sure your face will fit in just perfect! Good luck!

>>8646049
you're very cute! Don't let haters dissuade you from being who you are, just go out and do what you want to do!

>>8646049
You will be 1000% okay. Your face is really cute, and your skin looks great, so I think you'll be perfectly passable.

Gothic would be a great idea for a first coord. We hope to see it.

not enough tips come on stop being drama bitches everybody

>>8642331

>not wanting to be a belltower of frills
come on now anon don't let height stop you

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>>8612960
>>How did you discover lolita?
internet

>>Why do you want to wear it?
lookin' cute

>>What kind of research have you already done?
almost none tbh

>>What aspect of lolita are you most confused or worried about?
sizing and generally whether or not I can pull it off

>>What's your height and shoulder/bust/waist measurements?
Height is 5'10 shoulders 36 waist, i'm not sure but hips are 30, although sometimes I can fit a 29.

>>What is your general hygeine/beauty routine like?
I make body scrubs and my mom works for a cosmetics company. She has 10's of 1000's of $ of cosmetics that she never uses and gives to me.

>>How do you normally dress?
outside I wear a suit 100% of the time at work Although in the past I would always wear a suit outside of work too, i've slowly been morphing into pic related. Usually i go with a blazer with some glasses, a hoodie or t-shirt under it and skinny jeans with some really easy to wear, dark colored shoes, although occasionally I go for a white shirt with suspenders or black turtle neck. It really depends. I never wear girls clothes outside though other than pants and shirts that look neutral enough. I wear the same size as my mom and sister so sometimes I borrow their stuff.

>>What lolita substyle(s) most interest you?
I don't know. Help.

>>What is your planned budget for lolita?
Maybe $300 a month. I don't know.

>>Post your favorite lolita picture and say something about it.
I'm really unprepared! This is alot of shit for a beginner!

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>>8613157
>40cm across
That's like 1 foot? What the fuck?

>>8627578
>How do you brolitas feel about having sex in women's clothing?
It's sort of my fetish. (sorry)

>Are you straight?
Not really.

>So you like to fugg?
Not really.

>Would you date a girl who was into that sort of thing?
Not really. Not unless she was 6 ft tall and only liked pegging.

>>8627580
At last I truly see...

>>8648493

I don't see the problem here, I'm only 15cm wider than that myself, 1 foot is 12" by the way, 40cm is closer to 16"

>>8648623
His chest is 1 FOOT ACROSS?!

>>8648623
Nevermind. I just measured myself and i'm even less than that. I have no idea why I felt like it was more.

>>8648493
>>8648633

shoulder to shoulder? are you a high elf or something?

>>8648495
C-can it be? A fellow gay brolita?

>>8649658
Are we rare? Idk. I just got into this stuff. It's more surprising to me that there are straight brolita.

>>8649639
I'm small.

>>8650451
Most of the ones I've encountered here and around the Tumblrsphere tend to be straight. The only gay brolita I can think of off the top of my head is Jordie. But hey, good to know we're out there.

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>>8652078
David is super gay. There's also the Asian guy who dresses up in classic is also gay too reblogging guys in suits and formal clothing.

>>8652088
Who is this?

>>8648493
>>8648623
>>8649639
what the heck?

40cm shoulder width is standard for men's sizes in brands like AatP, Moitie, Boz... what is all this confusion about?

>>8627578
Never tried but I think it would be nice. Yes, yes and yes again

>>8617319
>outfit shots
not him personally but i know he goes by anaphrodisiacs

>>8654055
David/Devon/Akira

Sup anons, newfag here.

I'm fairly interessted in cosplay and Lolita fashion, but never did either one.

Questions to the latter one:
> I'm a student with an average income and already have a quite expensive (technical focused) hobby. Is Brolita something you can maintain as a 2nd hobby? It doesn't need to be an all in hobby (so therefore not new stuff every month), I would be okay to stay a closet brolita with 1-2 festivals a year for outdoor experience.

> What about comms (esp. the kraut ones)? What do I have to expect once I get in contact with one? My biggest fear is that I will meet a bunch of obnoxious weebs behaving like they're 12 or tons of drama. The only bigger german plattform I know for cosplay with some lolita is Animexx and I fairly dislike it. The reputation is for said reasons not the very best here in krautland. Nothing against weebness, but for fucks sake, get a grip when it is okay to let it out and when you should behave like a decent grown up.

> How is the acceptance for brolitas in central Europe?

What's the Los Angeles comm like, and are they cool with brolitas? I just moved here last week from the Bay Area for a new job.

>>8659489
LA Comm is accepting. There's a qt lolita whose name is Jordy.

>How did you discover lolita?
My ex was involved with her local comm and I wanted to be pretty too.
>Why do you want to wear it?
I want to look pretty and awesome
>What kind of research have you already done?
The odd bits here and there, I know about some brands and shops online but not loads.
>What aspect of lolita are you most confused or worried about?
I'm worried about passing and finding clothes to fit. And shoes - I'm an eu45
I'm also worried about assumptions about why I'm interested going the wrong way.
>What's your height and shoulder/bust/waist measurements?
5'10"
Waist ~34"
Shoulders are roughly 18" across. Dunno about bust at the moment
>What is your general hygeine/beauty routine like?
I shower every day and wash/condition my hair
>How do you normally dress?
Jeans and tee, nothing special.
>What lolita substyle(s) most interest you?
Sweet & gothic
I know guys doing sweet is difficult but I don't mind the challenge.
>What is your planned budget for lolita?
Don't know yet

>>8658472
For the money part, two new coords a year + going to events will probably put you back $1000 USD. This is assuming you can't reuse most items between coords. Your costs might be higher due to European import taxes? I'm excluding other costs like makeup and other necessities which would be shared across coords, like petticoats.

Most of the people involved in lolita are a little more grown up than the cosplay scene, because it costs more.

>>8663366
>Most of the people involved in lolita are a little more grown up than the cosplay scene, because it costs more.
shame this isn't actually true

>How did you discover lolita?
Been into otaku culture since forever. Browsed /jp/ and /a/ for many years and always wanted to wear cute clothes. At one point I decided to go for it.

>Why do you want to wear it?
It's cute, elegant, and I'm very androgynous, thin and, for a guy, I'm small, so I thought I could look cute if I tried it out. It also fits well my other "pretentious" hobbies. I still want to invite my comm to go to a play, opera or classical music concert one day.

>What kind of research have you already done?
As I'm very enthusiastic with all my hobbies, I've made some good amount of research. I also know japanese so this helps a lot getting information. I actually posted my coord on the feedback thread so I'm always looking for ways to improve what I can come up with.

>What aspect of lolita are you most confused or worried about?
I want to try harder styles later on and I'm afraid I might screw it up. But so far I feel like I have a good idea of it.

>What's your height and shoulder/bust/waist measurements?
170cm; I didn't measure my shoulders, but they fit a bodyline medium black dress perfectly. 3 sizes (down - up) are 81, 66, and 80cm.

>What is your general hygeine/beauty routine like?
Bath and wash my hair everyday (shampoo, conditioner and a cream after my hair is wet) as it'll get dandruff otherwise, apply coconut oil after bath, exfoliate 2 times a week, wash my face 2~3 times per day, waxing once per month, shaving once per two days, nail filing once in a while, and a few other things.

>How do you normally dress?
Like a normalfag. I'm very shy so maybe one day I'll start going outside with lolita clothes. Also I live in a dorm so I'm afraid someone will see me going outside.

>What lolita substyle(s) most interest you?
Classical, hime, and wa.

>What is your planned budget for lolita?
I'll be wasting almost 1k which is most of my money.

>Post your favorite lolita picture and say something about it.
>>8656197
Cute! (comment too long ;_;)

>>8663366

I wouldn't call myself rich, but I'm not a poorfag either. Guess planning one coord with a max budget of ~400€ to start with next year might be okay. Dunno exactly about import taxes though.
>>8666473
The asking Anon here. Probably, it's meant as a general tendency.

But yeah, the lots of drama coming to light here, on FB and Tumblr are telling otherwise.

>>8666531
I don't see how the higher amount of budget spent on lolita would create less drama. In fact, it should (and does) lead to the opposite.
You see, monetary differences lead to jealously, narcissism (specially in this age), greediness, envy, inferiority complex, and so on. Now, put that together with lolita revolving around physical aesthetics; you have people who feel personally offended when criticized about their coord, people who put less effort into the hobby and thus are disliked by the elitists or veterans, people who seek fame for the sake of [insert armchair psychology explanation here], which is frowned upon, etc. And finally, remember that lolita has pretty high standards compared to other kinds of street fashion. Put these two together with how this is also a social hobby, which leads to gossip and jealously (among other things), which then lead to drama. Now, certain communities manage to policy themselves through strict rules that isolate those who make drama, but, as far as I can tell, they don't really seem to be a minority.
sage for outside of the thread topic.

>>8666565
I mean, don't seem to be a majority.

>>8666531
>>8666565
You'll see a lot more drama about lolita on the Internet than what actually exists in most local comms. Unless you're in the Atlanta comm, in which case you're fucked.

Yes, there's cattiness and jealousy, but it's rarely out in the open. As long as you have a half-decent coord, are sociable and meet people, you'll have a good time. Someone went on this huge rant earlier in the thread ( 8613604 ) about being careful to not look too poor or good, but having visited numerous comms, I'd say it's a load of shit.

Most people love to see amazing coords, and they're not looking to shut others down in order to elevate themselves. They're not looking to belittle the newbies either, unless it's obvious that they're not trying. In my opinion, put your best foot forward and get to know your local comm. It'll be tons of fun.

>>8666486
Just curious, what are your other hobbies?

>>8667195
Books (literature mostly, but I also like horror and sci-fi), music (classical, mostly piano), otaku stuff (mainly VNs, and older anime), and games (jrpgs, platform and puzzle), although it's been some time since I played anything. I used to go to plays and classical music concerts too but I don't really have anyone to go with in the place I'm living.

>>8669787

>Shave

Clever use of trimming and makeup instead.

Is it generally OK to flirt with brolitas as a man?
Or are most of you straight?

>>8670945
Most of us are straight as far as I can tell, though I'm not sure why you'd want to flirt with a dude in a dress.

>>8670957
Are you really not sure?

>>8670945
Can't see anything wrong with it if you're obvious, courteous and not a creep, although I would warn you most don't find lolita sexy as far as I can tell.

However if you're specifically after a dude in a dress, you'd be better off looking for other gay/bi guys and convincing them to dress, rather than hitting on brolitas and hoping for the best...

>>8670945
I personally wouldn't mind but you would have to know how to approach properly.

>>8670945

I wouldn't mind. A compliment is a compliment.

>>8613197
>>8613209
I was a brolita a few times, way back in the day before the word "brolita" was going around. I passed really well in those days and often got approached by girls in lolita, who'd then freak out when they heard me talk and realized I was a guy, but once they knew they generally thought it was pretty awesome, especially at places like yaoi-con. I once even had a very drunk lesbian girl come on to me and try to bring me back to her room, saying she'd pretend I was a futa. (I didn't go along with it, especially since her pissed girlfriend was there.)

Why'd I do it? A couple of reasons. I'm not transgender, but I'm kind of 50/50, though I normally live comfortably as a pretty masculine guy because it's convenient and I'm open to either side. I enjoy the adventure of "being somebody else," too, and with the help of friends with wigs and makeup I could transform into a person I didn't even recognize in the mirror. When I was very skinny, I also happened to have a decent body type for it, I was 38/28/42, and people I talked to could never get enough of the fact that I could have the proper figure in lolita without padding my hips.

Also, I really love the clothes, I still have loli friends that I talk to about brands, prints, and stuff, and their friends are always stunned when they hear it happen and how enthusiastic I am about the whole style. Most of them don't know I'm into it because I really wish I could wear it, though. I also got my ex-GF into the fashion, and as far as I know she's still quite into it. (Sorry for giving you that expensive addiction, ex...)

Why'd I stop? One reason is because of the attitudes of people in the community. More than that, though, I just got too old for it. I can't stay skinny enough to fit into brand easily (when I work out I just bulk up), my face has turned more masculine, and my stubble grows thick and fast now.

By the way, because it often gets asked, I'm not into guys in the least.

>>8675267
>Why'd I stop? One reason is because of the attitudes of people in the community. More than that, though, I just got too old for it. I can't stay skinny enough to fit into brand easily (when I work out I just bulk up), my face has turned more masculine, and my stubble grows thick and fast now.

This kind of makes me scared. I know I won't be passable one day and at that point it's better if I stop.

>>8675345
I'm the same, and quite frankly I worry about the community and their view on me if I were to get involved. Right now it's more of a dream for me anyway as I don't think I've got the body type for it :'(

>>8675267
I totally am the same way. I love the fashion, but people are very mean about brolitas and sissies. Lolitas seem to be overly anal about their outfits being perfect and use that as a way to harshly judge other lolitas. The fun goes away when I people just judge others for not wearing the best co-ords. I thought that I would meet other people and have fun. I got hurt by lolitas instead. I just love the clothes too much to stop wearing the fashion.

>>8676771
To be fair though, lolita is a fashion hobby so some amount of judgment is entirely justified. Maybe it's because I only interact with people online, but everything negative that has been said to and about me have (in my opinion anyways) been valid.

>>8675267

I unironically want to invest in laser hair removal for my facial hair for brolita purposes and also because I hate shaving that much.

What should I do if I'm Y shaped?

>tfw got a chubby face from drinking
>now I just do my best to look like a hooker
>can't dress in Lolita because bad judgement on fashion choices
>have to deal with 5 o clock shadow everyday instead of every other week
I fucking hate having thick facial, chest and body hair

Maybe one day,
Any comms in Sam Diego?

On the note of sissies getting into comms, does anyone have any horror stories related to that? I'm intrigued.

>>8679277
I would like to see pictures of sissies at comm meetups. I am intrigued by this too. It just seems that nobody in the Lolita comms have ever actually seen anyone in sissy clothes at comm meetups.

>>8683337
Wasn't there that Melissa person or whatever that gets posted every once in a while?

>>8683340
Yep, he came to meetups for years before finally getting banned after enough incidents of harassing or threatening other comm members.

wtf how do guys make such cute girls but girls make such shit guys
i hate everything

>>8613339
sj ppl are a fan of when men do non masculine things, my comm is super misandrist and even though i am a cisman, they cut me some slack because i like dresses

>>8623298
you're embarrassing

>>8683552
Because the Ideal Woman image relies on make-up and outline, while the Ideal Man is defined by real male biology with a sprinkling of John Wayne. Blame society.

Any thoughts on which cuts of JSKs/OPs work well on brolitas?

>>8687418
Very true mate.

I think this is borderline preverted, but do any of you wear cute underwear when wearing lolita? I try to wear matching underwear to go with my coord. It's like no one will know.

>>8689998
I just wear white boxer briefs so that they don't show through my bloomers.

why can't women WOMEN UP just BTFO them sissies?

>look up my city's comm
>all of them are ita as fuck and 30 years old
>one of them is in a picture wearing one of the worst coords I've ever seen, if it's even supposed to be lolita

>>8689998
I like to wear frilly bloomers that match my pettis. There is nothing really perverted about this subject since brolitas must maintain a high degree of coverage.

>>8690087
Why don't women sissify their BF's and have some fun?

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This is a question mainly for other brolitas, but do any of you crossdress in general or have other interests in female fashion?

I think I'm kind of a statistical outlier in that I'm only interested in lolita and ball gowns/wedding dresses. If I'm going to dress like a girl I want to go all out and the more frills and petticoats the better. I already own a mermaid gown that I bought on Ebay, but one of these days I'm going to go all out and buy a ball gown at a proper store.

Pic related is one of my dream dresses.

>>8646049
Do not call it loli if you don't want snakry comments.
Call it Lolita fashion.

You will get comments if you dress bad, mostly.

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>>8638804
>8638804
Here my ally.

You will need this on your journey.

>>8636303
what a nice work/dress/all. You look exactly like a girl.

BTW nice forniture.

>>8694295
that is a girl
she's a somewhat well known lolita in the community, I think her name is Fanny Rosie

>>8694295
Is that sarcasm or do you really think that's the poster in the post?

>>8636303
This post reminds me of that one time someone sent Fannie an ask about whether she was actually a cis girl or not.

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I like this Brolita

>>8694384
Can someone actually clear this up for me, is/was technotropism a brolita or did he just switch from aristo for those vids?

>>8694645
He's aristo, but dressed up as a brolita for the vid.

>>8694658
Thank you anon. Sage for noncontrib.

>>8618813
Please womend yourself.

>>8692636
Oh really? I thought I'd seen people here just abbreviate it to "loli" before.

Here's a more recent pic by the way, taken on Halloween ~1 month after the last one I posted here.

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>>8696128
That's so ita.

>>8696293
It's not lolita it's a last minute Halloween costume.

>>8696128
its cute, not lolita though

>>8696293
anon is asking about passing and posting the photo for feedback

might be more suited to /lgbt/ passing threads tho

>>8696128
i mean, looks wise you're fine. You're not uggo.
And your skinny so thats a HUGE plus in lolita fashion. Lurk more get some good ideas for coords. Consult the board with a planned coord.
If you can just work on making a GREAT coord, most people don't give a fuck what you look like.

>>8696319
Was for Halloween, wasn't even trying to be anything close to lolita. Just thought I'd post it as an update on progress, idk

>>8696320
I did post in a passing thread there but this board if full of cis girls so I like getting feedback here as opposed to from all the weird chasers who populate those /lgbt/ threads

>>8696321
Yeah I lurk a bit and I've slowly been getting a better understanding of the fashion as time goes on, I'll start putting a coord together after I've saved up a bit of money I guess

I don't want to dress in lolita, but I'm in fashion, and I admire lolita as it looks on women.

For this reason I want to get into it so that I can share it with my girlfriend.

Where would I begin?

>>8692548
Where on ebay did you get the mermaid gown? Do they have other types of dresses?

>>8700182

I bought a brand name (Tiffany Designs) one from a dress shop in New York that was offloading store sample dresses (mannequin displays and the like). My advice would be to buy one from a brand name manufacturer (Like Lolita the Chinese knockoff crap is going to be well, complete crap) around fall when most stores/sellers would be offloading unsold merchandise to make room for next year's designs.

Pasting from the thread I was stupid enough to open:

Hello seagulls. So, long story short: I want to become a brolita, but I don't know at all where to start and what's important and so on.

I don't want everything spoonfed to me, but I'm sitting here and looking at all those pretty dresses and don't know where to go from here. I'm almost 28, am I already too old? How do I get clothes that actually fit? Makeup?

Any advice is appreciated, as well as any links that could be helpful.

>>8701089
the big secret to clothes and makeup is that all of the advice aimed at women works for men, too. you can google "makeup for beginners" and "how to find clothes that fit." you can even google things like "where to buy plus size lolita" or "where to buy tall lolita." don't think of yourself as needing "advice for a guy," just look into advice for beginner lolitas.

also read this thread top to bottom, ignoring shitposters/haters. focus on survey responses from brolitas to get an idea of what you need to know.