>parents are about to start making me pay rent

Kind of shit trying to make a buck out of your child

>>2805602
Tell me about it

>>2805602
>>2805606
Kinda shit leeching off your parents because you're not successful enough to move out.
How old are you, OP?

>>2805620
21

Why can't retards understand the bigger picture here? You're gonna miss opportunities for a good job in a different city because living rent-free with your parents will always be a preferable option. Your parents are removing this consideration as it does not even represent viable real-world condition.

Lol I know this is the daily version of this shit thread but this happened to me 20 minutes ago and thought I would share.

>dad knocks at my door
>says I need to start paying rent
>instantly respond "Did I ask you to have me?"
>he says "What!?"
>Repeat myself: "Did I tell you to impregnate mom so she could give birth to me?"
>He literally flies across the room and starts beating the shit out of me
>I take it like a man
>Tell him I will gladly pay rent out of the assault settlement

He just left the room. I'm in a lot of pain but feel pretty good about myself over all.

>>2805642
Laughed desu

>>2805620
Hey, you've been leeching off of them since before you were born, it's the natural order of things

>>2805642
>"Did I ask you to have me?"
Lol @ this argument. I would kick you out on the street the moment you brought that up. I would even let you take your Stirner/Nietzsche book collection with you.

>>2805666
Fuckin boomer

>>2805642
I'll take things that never happened for 200 bob

>>2805594
Negotiate a low price. You could still be saving a fortune on rent alone before accounting for water, food, garbage, laundry.

>>2805673
You always have the option of shooting yourself in the head and ending this "bad deal on life you didn't sign up for".

>>2805666
>Being so butthurt about the truth you try to resolve it with violence.

You sure seem like a great person man.

>>2805690
It's only a truth from individualist point of view. From a collective point of view (one that allowed the civilization) you're full of shit.

I dont get the logic of this shit though call me a selfish loser or whatever

>have extra rooms
>parents dont plan on selling house or renting out room to other people
>pay for my own groceries

It would be ok to ask for some money for utilities but asking for rent is shitty

>>2805684
You can always get an abortion

>>2805698
Read >>2805640

>>2805716
Doesn't make sense
If the job opportunity is so good why would just living rent free be better? Because /comfy/ ?

>>2805716
Why not have a good job and live without having to pay any shitty mortgage or rent? All that money saved could be put in an emergency fund that could be used for life saving surgery for your parents

>>2805734
>could be used for life saving surgery for your parents
Your rent money doesn't magically disappear, your parents can still use it in that manner.

>>2805698
I guess if I bought my own food they'd be less angry

>>2805594
You americucks are the most stupid people in the world. In the democratic Europe no parent would make a son pay for rent.

>>2805726
>Because /comfy/ ?
Obviously. This is a default option for NEETs, because having a demanding job and taking care of yourself is hard work for them.

>>2805684
>parents call police that son seems depressed
>get arrested
>sent to crazy ward
>no suicide allowed.jpg

>>2805640
yeah good thing my parents already live in a city with good job opportunities and I don't have to move across the country to live somewhere I've never seen, don't know anyone, don't know the streets, and have to start entirely from scratch to get a 10% pay bump

>>2805594
will you fuck off with these shit threads, either help your parents out or move the fuck out you man child

>>2805824
I dont want to do either of those things.

>>2805833
just kys neet

I can't wait until my kids are 18 and I can kick them out into the real world. I'm sorry you have shitty parents who didn't properly prepare you for life. You'll continue to be cucked in life as long a shout live in the basement.

>>2805620
Kinda shit not giving your kid enough support so he can save up and move out rather than wasting money on rent.

>>2805642
Kill yourself, my man

>>2805642
>Did I ask you to have me
This is the dumbest fucking argument ever. If you were really sooooo upset about being born, you would have killed yourself a long time ago.

>>2805768
because europoors don't make enough money to pay rent

>>2805602
They're trying to help him. He is pathetic and needs encouragement to leave the nest, or at least needs to learn some personal responsibility.

If you live with your parents they should charge you some nominal rent, perhaps 1/3 or 1/2 the normal rent in the area. It's still an excellent deal for the pathetic child, but he at least learns some responsibility and might get on his feet one day.

>>2805871
Where do you get that he's upset about being born? He could be perfectly happy but just aware that being alive is his parents fault

>>2805894
We also need to look at the bigger picture here. If his parents neglected him and didn't give him any guidance in life than expecting him to be super responsible, mature person is kidna retarded.

>>2805894
If they really wanted to help shouldn't they have put effort into raising a more competent and better educated child? I think they just want to help themselves

>>2805594
literally just move out then, why would you pay to listen to a pair of faggots rules
>>2805642
I like the suggestion the one anon had the other day, pay them for 3 months, then report them to the irs for not paying taxes from a new income

>>2805918
Sometimes all that is needed is a little encouragement.

I had nowhere to live and my parents refused to let me come home. So I became homeless.

I sorted my shit out because that really sucked. Now I have my shit totally together and completely self-reliant. I would never need help from my parents or anyone. They are getting old now, so their final lesson for me was good.

>>2805754
So what do you contribute?

>>2805929
>Sometimes all that is needed is a little encouragement

That they had literally the child's entire existence to give

>>2805941
It's common for parents to coddle their kids, especially only children. They think they are doing what's best, it only becomes apparent later on that they made a mistake when he is 21 years and lives in the basement posting memes. It's not too late to fix that, if you stop making things easy for them and begin to make them more self-reliant.

Step 1 is charging them some rent, so that they have to get a real job and get out of the house a bit.

>>2805949
Making the kid pay before helping them get a job sounds like putting the cart before the horses
And a good way of making them resent having to work

>>2805986
>>2805986
>>>2805949
>making them resent having to work

That's lesson #2

>>2805642
I've never actually thought about it like this but I'm definitely gonna use this argument next time my parents start talking about "moving out" or "finding a job".

The reality is I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for you so how dare you try and make me pay you money to continue existing?

Imagine you went out and bought a puppy and fed it and looked after it for a few weeks and then told it to start looking after itself.

You don't want a permanent tenant - don't have the fucking kid. Pretty simple to be honest.

>>2805986
They have to need to get a job. They are not gonna do it just because you asked nicely.

>>2806048
It all comes down to shit parents doing shit parenting and trying to cut their losses then
Shitty thing

>>2805918
Literally this.

People actually try to justify landlords who also tries to talk your head off with lessons they obviously could not teach you for 20+ years, no matter if they were right or wrong. And they will keep on doing that, as long as you live there.

If you want to leech off of your parents, fine. If you want to move out and start your own life, that's fine too. But just don't half ass it and turn this into a cringefest. Cause parents asking their children money for room and children paying to the worst kind of landlord possible sure is a cringefest.

>>2805642
dad should have put a couple in your leg then thrown all your belongings (empty kfc bucket and nintendo DS) into the street

This is honestly a thing in murica? top kek regards eu, never heard of anyone charging their own kids lmao

>>2806028
it's a retarded special snowflake argument. Each animal becomes independent at some point. And it has been the same way for humanity for hundreds and hundreds of years. But here's anon with his bullshit argument trying to defy all of this because he's such a special snowflake.

Honestly, fuck off you cancerous leech.

>>2806103
>Each animal becomes independent at some point


Out of necessity
Is it really necessary to force your retard son to pay you? Is "rent" actually just reparations money you want because of how much you hate your kid and regret having it?

>>2805624
Are you chiping in for any utillities?

>>2806028
Your parents want you to be independent and able to look after yourself because they won't be around forever.

Sure, you might inherit the house, but you can't live there indefinitely with no income. bet you don't even know how to wash clothes or cook or clean. You'd be living in a pig sty and the house falling apart within 3 years, and eventually inheritance money would run out and you'll be a 45 year old kissless, handholdless virgin who has never worked a day in his life and is barely able to function in society.

Stop being pathetic and leeching off your parents.

>>2806127
>Out of necessity

no out of a need for future survival of the species.

>Is it really necessary to force your retard son to pay you?

if he has money yes? If he doesn't, make him get a job so he can do that.

>>2806139
>Your parents want you to be independent and able to look after yourself because they won't be around forever

And how is taking his money helping with that?

>>2806164
Let me guess. You are living at home and leeching off your parents.

You will either continue to do it, or you'll break free and realise I was right. I'm not here to convince you to improve your life. It's up to you.

>>2806141
>no out of a need for future survival of the species.


What?
Survival of species is usually easier with them cooperating

>if he has money yes? If he doesn't, make him get a job so he can do that

Literally nothing but making a buck out of your kid

>>2806186
Okay boomer

>>2806186
Oh right
This is about me now
I thought it was about how using other people for profit doesn't actually benefit such other people

>>2806201
>Survival of species is usually easier with them cooperating

up to a certain point yes. However to live a self sustainable life, they have to leave their parents at some point otherwise they would just die as soon their parents are gone.

>Literally nothing but making a buck out of your kid

It's called teaching your kid how to be independent. You keep making the point that they should have raised a better kid. Well guess what, that doesn't stop at 18, they can keep doing that in their 20's.

>>2806227
>It's called teaching your kid how to be independent


They can't do it for free?

>>2805653
Never asked to be born

Lmao at the logic of making life hard for your children to """teach""" them.

Ah yes why dont you break their legs to force them to squat after recovering and "teach" them resilience.

>>2806247
idk, from what I am reading ITT they won't do it for free

>>2806278
I mean the parents
If the lesson here really is being independent why do they have to take money away from the kid while teaching it? They can learn while keeping the money for themselves and for the things they want to do

>>2806308
again see my previous post. From what I am gathering from this thread, those kids won't do anything because they feel like their parents are responsible for them all their life.

Paying for food and utilities and any other expenses you incur is fair. A set rate for that for simplicity is fair. Making a profit off their kid, not so much. My dad was a greedy sheckler and not only did he make me pay rent after I graduated, but it was $200 more than most people my age were paying their parents. It wasn't even a good house, he had a shitty mobile home at the time. He also loaned me some money for school and charged 10% interest, and I was too naive at the time to know how high that was. He eventually lowered it to 5% out of guilt, I guess. He's not even jewish. Fucking boomers.

>>2806325
Even then
Forcing them to get a job I understand
But let them keeping their fucking money
As a parent it's your job to help the kid thrive, not use them for profit

>>2806396
again, you don't seem to understand my point. Judging from the replies in this thread, people will not find a job, if they are not forced to do so. And how exactly do parents want to force their children to find a job without taking away their financial stability?

>>2806444
Precisely. The anon you reply to is just in denial and doesn't want to have to work.

>>2806444
Even with a roof over their head people still want and need things
They can just stop paying for superfluous stuff for the kid and leave them to support their wants on their own

>>2806368
That's fucked up man...

If you're a successful adult that has a job and/or is going to school and the only thing keeping you from being able to live on your own is insufficient finances, you shouldn't be charged to live with your folks. You're already responsible.

If you're NEET your parents still shouldn't charge you, but they should force you to get a job.

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They can't make u pay rent if they think u are poor. Always hide ur cash bros.

>>2805642
>>2806028
then he gives you 30 days
>haha im not going anywhere what r u gonna do
>30 days later
>eviction notice
>haha what are you gonna do, throw me out?
>sheriff arrests you for refusing to leave the landlord's property
i've dealt with shitty roommates before
and you don't want an eviction. good luck renting from all but the shadiest, crime ridden areas of town with that on your record.

>>2806274
nah making your kids contribute for food and shelter is a good thing. it's annoying that they let him stay for free until 21, but he's still young enough to learn how to function in society. breaking legs sets you back, but if they forced him to play sports that would be good too.

>>2805833
Real talk, your parents can evict you.
Each state (and even city) in the US is different (assuming you're a fellow burger), but the general rule of thumb is give 30 days to vacate, and if they're not gone, you serve an eviction. Typically, the court will give you 30 days to rectify, but if you do not, you will generally be given a few days before the landlord (your parents) can bring the sheriff to escort you off of the property.
So start looking for an apartment now and get a job. Evictions make it almost impossible to rent unless you want to be in the shittiest, most run down areas.

>>2806545
First of all the likelihood of your own parents evicting you is so little. Second of all you can destroy their property

>>2805620
>tfw have job that's 1.5 hours away
>tfw can't move out without burning bridges with my mom
Wat do

>>2806631
Your mom doesn't understand that commuting 3 hours a day is fucked up?

>>2806651
She said I'll get used to it, which I have to a certain extent but I still fucking hate it

>>2806631

>cant live mommy, what do biz?

maybe break up that weird, incestual, co-dependent relationship you have going on with mommy and live your own life?

>>2806662
You're just going to have to explain to her why it's bad for you. That's an incredible amount of your life wasted on monotonous travel. Ask her what her end game is. Does she expect you to live with her forever? Does she not want you to have a life of your own? If she expects you to get used to commuting, why can't she get used to you being away? Tell her you'll visit here whenever you can, but that you have to go. If she's this attached to you, and you make clear that it's not because you want to get away from her, she'll be happy to see you as much as you deem reasonable. Soften the blow as much as you can, but you need to cut the cord.

>>2806496
>the only thing keeping you from being able to live on your own is insufficient finances
let's say you're in this group, but what if it's not insufficient finances but rather zero reasons to move out

>>2806738
then pay rent, obviously

>>2806751
what if the mortgage is paid off
help with groceries/utilities?

>>2806762
yeah that should be fine. even doing chores or errands is reasonable if you have a decent relationship.

>>2806738
>but what if it's not insufficient finances but rather zero reasons to move out
From a pragmatic point of view, stay at home as long as you can to save money. The only negative is your chances of getting into a relationship are severely diminished since nobody wants to fuck in their lover's parents' house. If you feel like you gotta pay something, get your own food and offer to pay a share of the utilities.

>>2806738
Then stay
Honestly are good family relationships that hard to come by in America?

>>2805642
If they try to kick you out, just off yourself. You'll be the one with the last laugh as they mourn their dead son. Serves you right for trying to make me pay rent.

>>2806837
yeah, thankfully my parents aren't American

>>2806805
>your chances of getting into a relationship

see how is it acceptable to drop 1/3rd of your income just to be able to facilitate this

Wait
My input on this was based on the premise the parents actually own the house
If they're renting or something then yes helping with rent makes sense

>>2806852
Best answer. Make sure to leave a detailed suicide note so they know it was their fault. That'll teach 'em.

>>2806857
>how is it acceptable to drop 1/3rd of your income just to be able to facilitate this
Different people have different priorities. Some people want to start a family ASAP, or not live with their parents but also not be alone. If you're happy living single under your parents' roof and they don't mind, then knock yourself out. It's definitely a smart economic move.

>>2805642
>Autism

Okay guys based on reading everything im 50/50.

On the one side I feel like children should pull their weight(at least paying for what they use), but on the other side should seems unfair to not give kids a headstart on life...

>>2805624
>>2805594

>Be Me
>17
>Parents support my decision to go to college 3 hours away
>help out the first couple months while I look for a job and attend college
>Get a job and support myself after that
>Now I work from home on my computer and let dad borrow money when he wants
>tell him he doesn't need to pay back but always does because he's too proud
>Did all this at 17

At least save up for a noose OP you useless piece of shit.

>20 y/o
>father charges rent
>decide to move out because I make enough
>"Y-you don't understand how much it costs to REALLY support yourself"
>vehemently against me moving out
>I make more money than him and he's doing just fine, even while paying for my food and utilities
What would /biz/ do?

>>2807038
hodl

>>2807038
cry and complain

doesn't really matter the situation senpai

>>2807038
Dad wants an allowance

Honestly I wouldn't mind giving my parents an allowance because I love them. But I would be pissed if I lived with them and they called it rent

>>2805602
Wait till you have kids anon.

More often than not it's not about making a buck off your child. It's about giving them some responsibility so they get out there and make something of themselves. It sucks at first, but generally it lights a fire under their arse and eventually they move out and get their lives in order.

>>2805642
kek

>>2807103
>It's about giving them some responsibility so they get out there and make something of themselves


But there are so many ways to do this
The only way I could see this happening and not being shit would be the parent forcing the child to put their money in a savings account or something instead of just pocketing it
Otherwise it just sounds like profits

>>2807069
I doubt its that though. The amount I pay in rent is surely less than what I consume. He's losing money off of me but he won't let me leave on good terms.

>>2807038
He's not lying, there are a lot of little bills you dont really think about till your truly on your own. You can probably swing it but it will probably cost more than your thinking.

>>2807120
He probably loves you or something therefore wants you around
But he's hurting on money and wants some help

>>2807134
But I make more money than him, and he owns a home and supports me. Shit doesn't add up
>>2807137
;-; if he loved me he'd let me become a real man and stand on my own two feet

>>2807151
Your dad is insecure anon
He probably thinks if you leave you'll forget about him

>>2807120
>>2807151
Is it just the two of you living in the house? Loneliness, or the prospect thereof, does strange things to older men. I saw it in my own father when he talked about why he kept up his marriage even after the love was gone and replaced with bitterness.

>>2807118
It's not the best way to teach your kids responsibility, I agree. And it's way too late as well, hence the whining you'll hear from kids who have to pay their parents rent.

Basically it's the last thing a parent can really do and comes naturally since people respond really well to monetary obligations.

>>2806924
Yeah it seems the MO if late boomer, gen-X parents its to coddle their kids (and neglect to teach self-sufficiency) during adolescents and then slap then with a hard eviction at some arbitrary point.

I agree that helping with expenses is optimal, but parents really should be putting that money away so their child has security deposit and 1st month or down-payment on a house when they are ready to move on.

>>2807179
>>2807185
Yeah its just us
Fuck

>>2807537
Does your dad have friends?

>>2807572
A good number of them, yeah. He's never really struck me as the type to get hurt by loneliness, but I can see how being alone in a house that used to have the whole family would wear on him.

>>2805594
Get the fuck off this board with this shit every damn day

>>2807151
Paying mortgage, tax, and upkeep can often be cheaper than an apartment and yes there are other unforeseen expenses.

But unless he is actively preparing you to live in your own then staying sounds more to be for his benefit than your's. You'd learn more by actually living on your own.

Why don't you calm his fears by outlining a dinner schedule where you visit him to make the transition easier.

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>>2807103

Whose responsibility was it to maintain a viable economy? A stable ecosystem? A progressive political economy?

To be honest, kids were fucked over from day one. Real justice would be delivering the first shovel load of dirt on the boomer's early graves and tear down the entire system they kept alive with the Earth's lifeblood.

fucking vampires. OP, don't give them a cent you'll be paying the rest of your life for their treachery

>>2805594
Lmfao. Being this poor. My parents earn $400K+/year (small business), let me live at home for free and give me money without asking all the time. I drive my parents cars, eat their food, use their utililites and they have never asked for a cent. It would be socially unacceptable for me to pay rent in the area I live in (round North Chicago). I take my dad's 4 year old Lexus LS460 to work every day ever since he bought a new BMW 7 series. I save 95%+ of my 90K/year salary and live in one of the best locations in the city. I sit at work and shitpost half the time, I basically can't get fired. If I do I'll just work for the family businesses. Sucks to be poor.

>>2807898
pretty gud bait

>>2807696
Well I wont argue against that... that's the reason a lot of us are here on /biz/ buying btc

>>2806396
shit man I remember you from all the other "REEE MY PARENTS WANT RENT MONEY" threads.

Look, no matter how you want to argue, being a neet is shitty and a drain on the parents especially if they dont pay for anything. Its an easy way for parents to kick out their useless manchild.

>>2807973
It wasn't me I don't spend much time on /biz/

>>2807973
Depends where you live. If you live in buttfuck nowhere your parents should kick you out so you can move to the city. If you live near/in the city, your parents would be foolish to kick you out.

I see many of my peers from University being kicked out and paying 2K+ for rent and utilities. Its hilarious actually because they feel a sense of independence when most of their income goes to the landlord.

>>2806213
Presumably it's to foster financial independence, and encourage the slimeball to better manage their money. At some point, aging parents are worried about what will happen to their child after they pass on or are otherwise unable to care for them, and at least want to create an environment where the socially stunted retard won't completely become homeless because he's never paid rent or cooked a meal in his life. It's not about profit, it's about putting pressure through increasing responsibility to encourage independence.

>>2808845
If it's not about profit then why not let the kid keep the money instead of pocketing it

>>2808875
Because if they want to make you a functioning independent adult who doesn't continue to live out of their parents house, their options are eviction, ask nicely, or make the conditions such that finding your own place may be preferable

>>2808890
Put the money into a charity. Then it's not profit for the parent, but the kid still learns they have to pay up.

>>2805602
>graduate in 2008
>manage to work ass off, pay off student loans and do ok even if paycheck to paycheck
>dad offers to sell me family land
>can't afford

not saying I deserve to inherit it all or anything, parents gotta live their lives. It still kinda stung tho, especially when I hear about people getting houses, businesses and other stuff from family.

>>2809017
It's not like your family is going to take their stuff to hell with them when they die
Giving it away for the people they love as they age just seems practical