Be honest. Do you look down on people who work in a trade?

My dad worked in the trades for awhile and I've done some real estate ventures so I work with them from time to time.

The only problem I have is if they are unreliable or lazy. Uncovered many shoddy things in construction over the years and it pisses me off each tune

>>1734059
No, I've met plenty of them in my line of work. Sometimes they can be a little stubborn and hard-headed (no pun intended), but if many of them can get their work done and get it done right. They also hold grudges sometimes, which is no good.

I guess they aren't that much different from other people, but they do hard work and work long hours.

Sometimes I wish I would have gone into them to be an electrician or something.

>>1734059
Why are rich cunts so unappreciative of the people who do all the hard work to keep their lives convenient?

Be honest OP, do you have soft delicate hands that need moisturizer?

When you need your shitbox poorly build Ferrari fixed, do you roll your sleeves and get greasy?

>>1734112
See i think tradesmen like yourself, that think its a whole you vs me thing, are the ones that make other tradespeople look like shit.

Why must you be so rude? The "rich man" isnt out to get you , infact they probably are employing you and you need eachother. So whats with the anger?

>>1734117
You literally made a thread bashing trades people, and then you want to turn around and act like it's the trades people with the sticks in their ass?

Your whole thread comes off like an entitled pile of shit.

Tradesmen aren't exclusively employed by rich people, actually most tradespeople aren't, most jobs come from lower/middle class, people in the trades income bracket.

Could you even assemble an Ikea chair?

>>1734125
Why are you so angry? It was a genuine question and got some good replies. You are being defensive totally out of the blue

>>1734128
It's a pointless thread that serves no purpose.

Why do you think I'm angry? are you threatened? lol

I mean just the fact you start out with "Do you look down on people who work in a trade" set the tone for your mindset, only a person with an entitled attitude would formulate such a question and actually be stupid enough to ask it.

What do you do for work?
Is it anything at all that society absolutely needs, if there were a collapse you'd be a critical part of the chain to put it back together?

Union carpenter here
Who are you aiming your question towards? And what do you mean by people who work in a trade? Labor participants?

>>1734125
>Could you even assemble an Ikea chair?
Kek no that's what his wife's bull is for.

>>1734136
Contribute something to this thread or go the fuck away, I'm so sick of whiny cunts like you.

>>1734266
Where's your contribution you stupid cunt?

Are you another useless office worker?

>>1734285
I bet you post about how hard you work online on social media . along with meme pics of tradesmen with text overlayed that says shit like " i cant balance books but i can fuck your girl lol ;)" shit like that


I know your type. Stop being so fucking bitter over nothing

The second someone tells me they're in a union I fucking drop them.

>>1734288
I'm not even a tradesman you fuckin' drip.

Your whole thread is bitter you dope.

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>>1734136
why do tradesmen think they're so vital to society? Their value stems from them spending money on stupid shit like 70inch 4k teevees and pickup trucks. I mean thanks for funding our economy and everything but aside from that any man who isn't retarded can do your job with a 'for dummies' book.

No, I don't look down on people based on their line of work. I really don't care if you are a NEET, or a cook, or a middle manager.

I think that tradesmen are insecure about their intelligence. Which is normal, since mind numbing work -like the trades usually are- tends to dull people's wits.

>>1734303
Oh I'm sure, I'm sure you can.

So when you need you microwave repaired, you can do it yourself.

Could you even read an electrical chart?

What are you 12?

Seriously, what do you do?
does your chair have an impression of your ass on it?

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>>1734310
I sell pickup trucks to you and your buddies at high interest rates and make a killer commission. I've never had a microwave break in my life. If it did I'd troubleshoot it and if its worth my time fix it.

If not I'd just buy a new fucking microwave like anyone who makes a decent living. Why would I pay you to fix the fucking thing in 2 hours plus however long I'd have to wait to get your ass to my place.

It would take 30 minutes to buy the same microwave and install it. Sales is the only noble profession. Everything else is just coping.

>>1734334
You're literally a degenerate salesman.

You're actually nothing, a monkey could do your job more effectively.

Your job literally revolves around the fact most people are too stupid to know about vehicles before they buy them, so all you have to do is tell them in a sales-like tone and they fall for it.

You sell cars and you don't know anything about them, how red faced are you, when someone asks mechanical details?

I'd have an ounce of respect if you sold houses, but cars, Jesus, that's a job anyone can do by simply slapping "for sale" on the back windshield with their phone number LOL.

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>>1734344
How red faced are you when we compare pay stubs?

I don't earn a commission based on how much I know about the vehicle (that's a mechanic's job, silly.)

The fact that I earn more than you by "simply slapping 'for sale' on the back windshield" should really offer some perspective on how low your profession is on the scale.

At the end of the day I have nicer things than you but that doesn't make me a better person. The fact that I never went to college or university and have nicer things than you however, does.

>>1734288
Im an art college student, but damn you sound condescending as fuck.

Money is money, and I know some people that makes hundreds of thousands a year doing them
those

They are richer than you, smarter than you, work harder than you.

>>1734375
>art student


The memelord himself has arrived kek

>>1734364
I know you're role-playing and all but what are you going to sell when the next recession hits and nobody wants to buy a new fat-assed pick-up for 19% APR?

>>1734381
Then I just sell people on other shit. Realistically just do public speaking and sales training telling people that they're just not working hard enough.

The people who buy pickups will always be buying pickups recession or not. They're fucking retarded.

>>1734385
>The people who buy pickups will always be buying pickups recession or not. They're fucking retarded.

Yeah, that's true. Hmmm.

>>1734059
I have a little bit of inside knowledge about this topic, so I'll give you guys my two cents.

My family is blue collar background. My grandpa got in to laying drywall in 1957, and today he has 1,000,000$ in his retirement account. He owns a 5br/3br house 25 minutes from San Francisco. My dad also does drywall but is about to retire soon, and he is a foreman that makes $55/hr literally just screaming at people all day. Myself, I am a university grad (BA in criminal justice) that graduated in Spring of '16 and decided to go to work with my dad until i figure out what I want to do. I start as a base guy getting $26.50, and after 10 weeks im eligible for promotion to apprentice and a pay bump to $30.xx. Now I will tell you this. All trades are different. Base journeyman electricians make $55/hr, and foremans make about 15% over base guys. It's tough work and you will have to work hard and move fast, and there is also a lot of banter and shit talking that goes on. Depending on whether or not you have thick enough skin to be able to take orders, work hard, and banter back. In short: pay is good, work is hard, but it depends on the trade and geographical location. If you want to enter the trades, go become an electrician or an elevator service constructor's union(those guys top out at 66$/hr but joining the union is very hard)

>>1734310
When my microwave is broken I'll buy a new one because I'm not fucking poor

>>1734059
I've worked in construction since i was 16 im 26 now and did most of the grunt work when i was younger, now i do what jobs i want on the job.

I also own and manage 3 rental properties and have an investment business that buys and sells debt, i kind of see both worlds.

Construction is fun to me, I always go somewhere different not the same cubicle everyday and then when we are done building we look back and say fuck yeah we built that. Its a good feeling to know you can build something and have it come out looking nice too.

I say just do what you enjoy the most, we do work for some rich people that are white collar, some of them love life and some of them are always miserable. Its the same for blue collar, there are some that won't trade it for anything because they love it, and then you have the ones that bitch and moan about how hard the work is.

>>1734059
I look down on people in Trade work not because of their wealth or potential earnings, but instead because of their low aspiration in life.

Atleast the faggots in college getting debt in the ass have a goal other than working 50 hour work weeks as a wage cuck for decades prior to owning a business

The only true Wagecucks are unambitious wage cucks

>>1734059
I'm currently a team-leader in a CNC shop. Make about $20/hr. It has pros and cons, but in general, I think it kind of sucks. I've decided I'm probably going to save up some money, get a real estate license, and move on to that.

>>1734112
>poorly build Ferrari
Hey, that's not nice.
Why do you have to be such a dick?

>>1734059

The Inspector gets paid more half the time for less work (though more accountability if he forgets to dot an i).

>>1734439
>I've worked in construction since i was 16 im 26
What specifically did you do between 16-26 and what do you do now? Laboring at 26 KEK

>>1734712
this.
You've been in this industry for a decade and you're still doing manual labor? The fuck?

>>1734059
I use to because that is what seems to be the normal and anyone could pick those jobs up.

However after some years I have come to realize we need more great people like this and we don't pay them enough, as doing a job and doing a job well are not the same.

Our would is full of roles and all of them are essential to make it all work.

Anyone remember the phone booth cleaners in Hitchhiker Guide to the Galaxy? That simple joke really is spot on.

I don't look down at anyone who does their job and does it well. That being said, it's easy to see that many blue-collar professionals are insecure about their career choice and education level. Many are abrasive towards white-collar workers out of hand just because they're bitter.

>>1734059

>extremely high demand for tradesmen
>make six figures under five years
>wear blue jeans everyday
>be outside when you want to be
>smoke whenever you want
>tell stupid people they're fucking stupid
>curse at your boss if you want/need to
>stand around half the time getting paid to bullshit because problems/no materials
>full benefits
>no faggot HR department
>get to be real man instead of limp-wristed wagecuck struggling for $50K while wearing a suit and sitting in a boring ass cube all day while millionaire bosses tell you to do things

Seems like the better way to go in my opinion.

>>1734962
or you know, you could be the millionaire boss cucking all of the wagies in the cubicals while you're fucking half of their wives.

>>1734334
>calls tradesman worthless retards that can be replaced by anyone who reads a for dummies book who's only value is purchasing consumer goods

>Is a car salesman with 1 week of training whose entire existence depends on tradesman creating his sale product, maintaining his product, repairing his product, and buying his product
>His job will be replaced by a robot within a decade(that will be built, maintained, and repaired by tradesman)

10/10 RUSED

>>1735043
>1 week of training

Do you even know the turnover on a 100% commission based position? Anyone can do a fucking trade. It's there for ex-cons and fucking loser stoners who fucked around in highschool. Technical skills are going to be replaced by automation. Sales is the highest valued skillset in the world. Tradesmen built the fucking the things but without salesmen they wouldn't have two pennies to rub together because more or less they're socially inept.

>>1734422
Pathetic excuse for a man, does your wife change all the bulbs for you?

>>1735009
Damn, I knew I should have taken millionaire training instead of a trade.

>>1735113
Are you memeing?

Do you even understand that automation has to be built, maintained and upgraded?


Sales is the most useless job in this world, people know what they want and if they don't, they'll buy any piece of shit without your input.


You've really exposed yourself as a retard here, friendo.

>>1734412
This goy knows his shit.

>>1734412
>but joining the union is very hard)

Well I'll be fucked, selective socialists.

>>1735207
A good salesman can get someone to buy shit they don't need. That's the whole point. Sales is just being quit witted and smooth talking. As long as commodities are traded, there will be sales positions. However, when you kick the Mexicans out, automation will come faster.

>>1735200
You've just got low testosterone.

>>1735227
Don't think I've ever been "talked" into things I don't need, I think TV advertising does a better job than a salesman, a salesman is such an obvious ruse it makes me hate the person.

Some drip car salesman tried to sell me a beat up Honda Integra, he blushed when I ran my hands over the tires and saw how bald they were, saw how braided the belt was and how loose the steering was.

He was pushing me for 1300, I told him i'd do 800, he rolled over like a pig in shit.

Ended up leaving his lot and just buying the car I liked more online, no salesman at all.

and it's how both my previous cars were bought.

I'm too consciously aware of the scum that is the car salesman for me to be tricked by them into buying an over priced SUV.

>>1735242
you're so poor you're buying beatup old shitboxes? I thought tradesmen were making all of that cashmoney nigga? At least you have your pride.

What's the exchange rate on pride these days? I've been so busy making actual money that I haven't gone and wasted my own time looking at cars I won't even buy just to berate a guy doing his job.

Tradesmen are hookers. They're paid for their time. They can be as proud as they want, they're still getting paid to suck a cock.

No nobility in poverty, chump.

>>1735242
This. I don't need someone to tell me what I want to buy.
>>1735227
Can you explain what trades would be automated? The only one that has been somewhat automated at all was welding. You can't build a robot to wire a house. Besides, when the Mexicans get kicked out, the pay will rise

>>1735265
>tradesmen are hookers
>literally has to whore himself and his wares as being worthy of the Masters coin

Alright faggot LOL.

does the concept of buying a car, for the purpose of improving it, even register to you?

I suppose not, the sight of getting your hands dirty horrifies you.

Keep your wife on a leash, make sure she doesn't hear you calling a man to come install a simple counter top.

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>>1735284
Nah because when I buy a car I buy it ready to go because I'm not 16 years old and have no interest in making my car look like it delivers pizza.

You don't understand the fundamental difference between pimp and hoe. The pimp sells the hoe's time and body, not his own. The hoe does all the work, spends all the time, and gets paid by the hour for the service. Then the hoe gives the pimp the money and the pimp determines what is a fair amount for the hoe to be paid. Pimps are salesmen and managers, hoes are the product. You, yourself are a product that performs a service. You and every other person in the world that performs a service for a fee based on time spent are no more than hoes.

Stop projecting. Just 'cause your wife cucked you with your boss doesn't mean everyone else is as pathetic as you. Number one reason why women cheat is because their boyfriend has lost ambition and settled for where they're at. i.e. the guy who happily works for 25/h because that's what the market decided his time is worth.

It's not too late to get into sales man. It's in every industry, especially yours. Take a crack at selling the services you perform and have someone else do them. Fuck around with it for a month see what works and what doesn't. Then read some books on it, torrent a sales program, apply what you learn and make more money. You don't have to settle for being a hoe.

>>1735332
>25/h

maybe in North Korea, try 40.

Unless you own the car yard, you're the bosses slut.
You are the hoe and the pimp.

I think in this short thread, you've discovered how useless your profession is to the world and you're actually a bit insecure about it, you're afraid of people being able to use their own brain and buy what they want, without you.

Your job is done every day on craigslist.
Not a lot of house wiring being sold there.

>>1735343
>haha dumbass I don't suck dicks for $25 I do it for $40

You could discover the cure for cancer but unless you've got a salesman you won't make a dime.

I googled how to wire a house and got step-by-step instructions in a quarter of a second. Your entire education can be supplemented in a days worth of light reading and some number crunching.

You're forgetting the fact that over 50% of people are below average. People use their brain all the time, they're just not good at it. I'm not in the business of ripping people off. They want a vehicle I sell them a vehicle. Whether they can afford it or not is entirely dependent on them, not me. If in a year he can't make the payments on it and it get's repo'd that's on him.

I don't look down at anyone in life, I've been there and hated working those shitty jobs, if you have something you like and are good at, fucking stick with it. But if your job is picking up thrash outside, that isn't a job anyone should do long term...

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>>1735359
>You could discover the cure for cancer but unless you've got a salesman you won't make a dime.

1 tweet

"I discovered the cure for cancer, you can buy it on my website here:"

oh fuck, my salesmanship.

It advertises itself.


>>1735359
Oh you can explain this chart to me then and which materials you'll need.

You can get instructions on how to build a fucking LHC too, doesn't mean you can do it.

You can read off a page what to do, that doesn't mean you understand how it works, so at any time during your assumed simplicity of wiring a house, something doesn't quite fit, something needs to be cut, you completely and utterly fall apart.

>>1735359
If you actually cure cancer every pharma company in the world would be knocking on your door.
A vending machine doesn't need some guy standing in front to convince me to buy a soda. The soda company and vending company still make money

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One months work.

I worked for a company as a laborer for a few years in the dirt biz. Saved up money and bought my own truck to start out with. I'm 3 yrs into my own company.

I genuinely love what I do and owning heavy equipment is like buying huge toys.

Do what you love don't worry about your image. Every millionaire I know wears work boots.

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>>1734059


No, not necessarily.

In my experience there are a rare few who dont act like fucking morons and actually take their job seriously.

But the vast majority of the people I have encountered are mainly highschool dropouts/early 20 somethings who made shit life choices like getting a 19 year old pregnant.

>inb4 Was an apprentice for a while
>Kneepads sucked, went to school instead
>muchbetterforme.png


There might not be any "prestige" to it, but it needs to be done and if you take your career seriously and keep improving your skills and qualifications you can do quite well.

Downside is its shitty labour and takes forever to make more skrilla (depending where you live).

>>1734059
I would probably trust them with getting something dirty done well and not bitching too much about it but yea I will think they aren't as smart as I am.

>>1735395
>One months work.
>I worked for a company as a laborer for a few years in the dirt biz. Saved up money and bought my own truck to start out with. I'm 3 yrs into my own company.
>I genuinely love what I do and owning heavy equipment is like buying huge toys.
>Do what you love don't worry about your image. Every millionaire I know wears work boots.
What exactly do you do anon?

>>1735415
Move dirt so people can build houses. Site prep. Dig trenches for street lights, final grading for sidewalks etc.

>>1735421
list of qualifications?

>>1735422
Know what the fuck your doing and don't get yourself or anyone else killed. Be willing to bust your ass. Be a good talker.

No tradie earns six figures unless they're running their own company.

Anyway, I think learning a trade is as viable and, at this point in time, a better option than going to college to learn a meme degree (so, anything other than STEM).

However most tradies I know are dumb, drug/smoke/alcohol addicted pieces of shit. They didn't enter their profession because they sat down and decided college wasn't for them, it was because they are just too dumb or dropped out of highschool. Those who are passionate and intelligent about what they do are a precious few.

>>1735443
>be a good talker

not for me then, I much prefer people who are direct and not fuck arounds.

I like people who know what they want and want what I have, the prospect of fishing for people is irritating.

As far as busting and ass and knowing what to do, no problems there.

I'd love to work with heavy machinery, graders, diggers etc.

You think a good move is begin with driving the things, learn the business from the bottom, bust ass for management position then start own business with leased equipment?

>>1735469
You misunderstood.

Be a good talker as in be likeable. Everything good that has ever come to me is through relationships I've developed. I find someone who is rich and find a way I could be of value to their company. It's just a two way street.

It's a great business with a MASSIVE financial barrier to entry. You can just rent equipment when you need it but you better know how to do a good job start to finish. I work always did the best job I could.

Those machines on the side of the road cost more than most people's houses. If you can figure out how to break in and stay in, getting rich is a matter of time.

>>1735484
Yeah, I mean obviously you wont be buying that equipment off the jump.

Competing with the bigger companies seems like an absolute pain in the ass, but you probably have the advantage in lower cost, I don't see how you get good clients if you're just breaking in, aren't they more likely to trust an experienced company?
then again, I guess this is the good talker part of the deal.

I mean, once you buy your first piece of equipment, you can just lease it on the downtime and probably make good money.


Seems like a fun industry anon, big learning curve though, as is anything worthwhile.

>>1734059

Yes. And I'll tell you why, people that work in trades have no balls. Same with the people in cubicles. At least that faggot in a cubicle gets to sit in a nice temperature controlled environment. He gets shit pay but it sure beats the heck out of abusing your body.

So many tradesman have absolutely destroyed their bodies by the time they are in their 40's and 50's. Bad backs, bad knees, not to mention any on the job injuries. Many are simple dumbasses that are one recession away from losing everything. That is if their ex-wife or pig wife hasn't taken it all already.

The only men who have balls own their own companies. If you're joining a trade to later own a company in the field, I feel this is an acceptable trade-off. But most tell themselves this and never do. They're too exhausted when they come home from work every day. They're just tired enough to sit and watch stupid tv for 4-5 hours before bedtime.

Fuck that! Be a man. Shoot for owning your own business or making money through investment.

there is a big problem with working in trades in certain countries.

workers/employers are not unified and tradesman are getting ass fucked with poor wages/conditions.
only worth it if its in europe/america where you have decent unions.

>>1735489
Bigger companies won't get out of bed for a $2000 job. You can do stuff like that out of a pickup truck, that's how I broke in.

After that you go to those bigger companies and do all the clean up work for them. Every big job comes with a million little things to do. You just need to get creative how you work it.

I started with property management companies. Now I won't even return their calls for those $2000 jobs, I don't have the time.

>>1735493
Uhh..

How do you plan to start a business without busting your ass initially?

What business do you own, how did you start out?

>>1735496
shit anon, you're getting me all jittery and excited.

I can probably envision starting out with small bulldozers and small diggers, doing those smaller hundred - $1000 jobs until I can get my hands on the bigger stuff.


I can imagine a plethora of work that could be had with a small digger, swimming pools, water features, dirt shifting/removal.

I'd love to build some BMX tracks and shit I can see being used and enjoyed.

Now you got me speculating.

>>1735513

Actually started out doing IT work, which was awful. However I made several connections and spent every waking moment getting into website design and making clients.

This snowballed to me leaving eventually and making big bucks on my own over-charging simple dumbasses for basic shit. Very simple, I make more in a week now than most of these tradesman do in 2-3 months.

>>1735513
Dude i was doing those jobs out of my car. A small machine is still 45k used. Learn how to do concrete. I started repairing cracked sidewalks and shit.

>>1735461
$50/hr @ 2000 annually is 100k.

>>1735519
show me an example site.

>>1735520
I always thought sidewalks only went to bigger companies?
I don't know shit, but I live in socialist New Zealand, so I don't know about the US.

I always see the company here FH (Fulton Hogan) doing all sidewalk/road repairs, they have quite a monopoly going on that.

Always wanted to work for myself, you've given me inspiration, if all else fails, i'll go back to wage cuckery.

>>1735538
Go look at companies that manage properties for malls and apartment complexes. Anything owned by the public is paid for by tax dollars and is totally different.

>>1735553
absolutely right.

my only concern is fucking it up and getting a bad reputation, so I tend to get over cautious, which I guess is also a good thing.

God speed anon, make millions.

>>1734439
>an investment business that buys and sells debt
How difficult is it to get into that? I pretty much do that for my boss already with how many accounts just drag their asses - if I could buy the debt he still has and keep what I chase down for myself I'd be way better off.

>>1734962

/thread

Thanks to the baby boomers and their yuppie memes the whole fucking system went backwards. Chad mcfaggot is sweating bullets in a PC office so he can make $45k a year and get his 2 weeks off. Meanwhile the roughnecks are making $100k a year and can say and do pretty much whatever the fuck they want at the job site as long as the work gets done.

Posted my story before, but Lord Jesus if I could go back in time and do 2 things, the first would be to fuck Jessica back when I was in highschool, and the second would be to take up a trade at 18 instead of going to college.

>>1734738
>>1734712
Don't really do much manual labor on the job after awhile. If you read my post i mentioned i did most of the grunt work when i was younger.

Most of the hard labor is done by new guys, young guys or the old guys that are too stupid to move forward. The skilled laborer doesn't do much hard labor, im the skilled laborer. Someone else carrys my tile, my conrete, mixes my concrete, carrys the dry wall up stairs, carrys the wood from one side of the job to the other... It's pretty nice if you play it right, some guys just sit in a tractor all day and get paid decent money.

>>1734059
yeah, I work in trades.

I tend to look down on hourly employees that don't want to move to management or ownership.

but I also realize the reason I do that is because I'm insecure about my own choices and have a hard time accepting that others have different strengths and priorities than I do. So even if I didn't look down on them for that I'd find a different reason. Just like they look down on me for prioritizing money and career over happiness or family or whatever they value most.

it's an ego game, everyone justifies their own choices and thinks less of people that don't agree with them. Just human nature.

>>1734344
>You're literally a degenerate salesman
Not a figurative one?

>>1735461
>No tradie earns six figures unless they're running their own company.
Plenty of them do because they work a lot of overtime

>>1734059
Make fun of me all you want. I make $18.50hr. 50 hours a week. Watched anchorman 2 for the 4th time today and shitposted.

Loaded 1 truck so far.

Work by myself.

Awesome company and benefits.

Oh, dropped out of junior college twice. These guys somehow thought I knew wtf I was doing.

Learned how to run my loader off youtube.


I will retire or they will find my hunched over in the loader.

There are worse jobs.

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>>1734334
Sales is the only noble profession.


>WAT.


Lying your ass off and raping people is noble?

You a fucking Muslim?


Sales was the only job I ever quit because of ethics.


Dafuq...

>>1735395
Nice. I ran a dump truck. Having shitty "toys" is like having another job. Fml. Grats to u tho anon. Same here. Shocked how many rich guys work every day...

>>1734962
Lmao pretty true desu. Ive gotten into fist fights on the job

>>1734059
Well I'm in a trade and make 6 figures so it's probably me looking down at you

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some of my close buddies work construction and make memes like pic related, but i don't think i'm better than them.

>>1735359
Tell that to my bro that got melted with 440. Google is not a teacher to start fucking with your outlets from.

Not in yells dick measuring contest. Just my 2 cents. I've seen people die from shit like this

>>1737079
ethics are subjective. People try and get more than they deserve. I simply profit off of their own greed. Fuck 'em I know how to spend their money better.

>>1735461

>says someone who never worked in a trade

>>1735763

Agreed. I went to college and ended up in construction. Go figure.

>>1737135

Hey, it's not a good project year unless there's two fistfights and thrown hardhats.

>>1735763

What do you do, Anon?

Throw the slip? Spinning chain? Trip pipe?

Please tell me you're a real man and not one of those panzies that uses the big pneumatic tongs because hurr durr muh safety.

How's the heat in all that tyvec? Haha!

>>1740515
earning 6 figures and not being able to go out after or during work without taking a shower isn't fucking worth it. No one cares how much you earn, it's how rich you appear. How effortless you make it seem. The fucker doing your plumbing might make 100k sure but at the end of the day that cunt is still digging through your shit.

Meanwhile salesmen wear clean, tailored clothes and get to view buying a $4,000 suit as an investment rather than an expense. Every dollar I ever spend is in the interest of earning a return. Especially with credit cards getting me flights for free.

Unlike sales, trades have an earning's ceiling.

>>1740531

So what you're saying is that you're a faggot who has a burning desire to be pretty at all times wearing nancyboy clothes. Wouldn't want you to break a nail, cupcake.

>>1740537
I'm the faggot who earns a raise every time he dresses just a little bit better. Just remember that when your girl is out shopping and she sees me she always thinks "why can't the guy I'm with have enough self respect to clean up a little bit?"

I can sell your dumbass friends overpriced trim kits on their shitty pickups and I can sell your girl on the privilege of cucking you with my glorious, well-groomed, coconut scented, uncut cock.

But you're the real man. The hard working fella who gets his hands dirty with a bunch of other sweaty guys. I'm content with being the bull and keeping clean.

everyone in this thread is horribly insecure and bitter as fuck lmao

i too am bitter and insecure but at least its for reasons unrelated to my job

>>1735421
Lmao people dont really realize how expensive dirt is
That dark soil under a house can be worth millions especially if it is like a story high mound
But i have also moved dirt, for free mind you as it was at a friends shop and i wanted to drive the machinery

>>1740560
>come home
>have a shower
>get out of shower and dry off
>put on nice clothes
Wew lad that was really hard to get clean

>>1740984
This. Kek.

Why do americans have an obsession for trades and "class warfare" ?

I've never heard anyone say that being a tradesman was a shit tier job outisde of 4chan or the Internet

You burgers are still obsessed with Communism, Unionism and class warfare.

>>1741183
Nobody says it because most Americans are working worse jobs than most trades

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>>1734059
Yes
Tradies are fucking losers. No exceptions

>>1734059
i admire people who work in a trade.. its not for me tho.. Im into arbitrage

>>1741183
They really are. That and its a bunch of why kids that never had a fucking day of work in their life and exoect to make 7 figures with a computer science degree and 0 fucking work ethic.

>>1740560
>being the bull.

Wewlad. At least you got the faggot part right.

>pull oil wells 60 hours and week and pray fo pls no haul hay.
>bang heavy wrenches ALL DAY
>lift heavy shit ALL DAY
>Swing sledge hammer ALL DAY
>cuss and yell and prank each other with nobody else around for miles ALL DAY
>drink beer on the way home, show , go to bar, get ALL ove the pussy because

>SWILE AF NIGGA.

have fun dwowning in cuck sweat at the ymca playing racketball with you other degenerate cuck friends.

Have fun living your boring ass life while we drive around in new shit with hot bitches


BTFO OFFICEKEK

>>1740531
Not if you own 30 businesses you sheltered cuck.

Have fun flying. Ill drive my first class pickup

>>1740517
Mfw i threw my hardhat AT my boss and got punched in the head. 3 days off. I used it to troll the guys at work pranking the fuck out of them at night.

>>1740515
Are u shitting me?

I make like 79 sitting on my ass tslking shit on a cd in a hoe

>>1740497
>profit off their own greed.

Ny fucking playing mind games learned from thousands of years of study and desception.

>i can spend their money better.


Yup. Bottom shelf whiskey and blow is a better bet. Sure..

>>1741516
Wow kid. Do you realise u gotta be 18 to be here?

Tradecucks are all morons.

Every now and then I'll meet a guy who's truly a master of his craft, but like 99% of tradesman are utter trash that are barely good enough to not get fired, and are essentially glorified robots with zero critical thinking skills who can't adapt or solve a problem they haven't rote memorized.

I'm going back for Master's in Robotics next year so I can help deprecate these human wastes even faster.

>>1741984
>robots replacing trades
???

>>1742015
Welder and truck drivers are gonna disappear in 10 years.

10 years after that roofers, plumbers, and electricians will be replaced by drones.

>>1742022
Welds are already done by robots in factories but there is still welders

Also lol @ drones doing plumbing or electrical

>>1742022
we already have the technology to replace all construction, plumbing and electrical workers with pre-fab. It's usually not preferred.

sort of like how we've had public transportation for a hundred years but people still prefer cars.

Only a fool would think you can't profit off the trades. Few tradie mates, after 10 years most of them with their own business / staff, all 6 figures easy, one of em heading toward 7. No way I look down on them, they're working hard on what they enjoy and making good money doing it.

>>1742022
Have you done any electrical work... ever? No way is that shit replaced by drones in 10 years. Maybe by robots in 20-30, but not by drones.

>>1742180
>Do you look down on people who work in a trade?

the dude probably means drones as in automatons... unless he thinks a flying drone is going to plumb your terlet.

And as a design engineer, you faggots have to take into account that EVERYTHING in the future will be ENGINEERED specifically to be serviced by robots/automation.

Sure, you'll still have your old homes and old buildings. But don't think those can't be retrofitted for automation either.

>>1742202
>retrofit existing buildings.
Which will require a rewire, and repipe.

Tell me anon, have you have replaced a toilet, or ran conduit for a new dryer location? Those will be hard to automate. It will be done no doubt, but not in 10 years.

>>1742208
>Those will be hard to automate.

Not with AI.

We have AI that can read lips to 95% accuracy, beat humans at chess or Starcraft, and AI that can react without instruction.

AI only takes time to learn... it is a brute force method. You take an AI machine, feed it thousands of hours of video/data on plumbing, and it will figure out by itself how to plumb without damaging your terlet.

A little robot with a roto rooter arm isn't that difficult to make.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quWFjS3Ci7A

Those little KIVA robots used to be hard controlled, now they use self guiding AI and never run into each other. They can coordinate their own paths for efficiency.

My point is that with tons, tons of data/video "training", AI can learn any task a human can do.

>>1742238
>My point is that with tons, tons of data/video "training", AI can learn any task a human can do.

Let me give another example:

I used to be a project manager: scrum master.

But all the hottest tech right now is in collaboration and AI... we are near the point where an AI "project manager" can schedule meetings, take notes, do all of the ops stuff a PJM does.

The writing is on the wall that AI will soon replace "soft skill" white collar professions like project managers.

soon = 10 years or so

>>1742238
The same AI that will bend conduit, drill holes in beams, cut a perfect square in drywall, run the cable, etc. all in a cramped space in unique conditions?

You're delusional. Again, have you EVER done electrical work or any sort of plumbing?

>>1742244
>scrum master

Ah, no you haven't.

>>1742246
>The same AI that will bend conduit, drill holes in beams, cut a perfect square in drywall, run the cable, etc. all in a cramped space in unique conditions?

Absolutely. I think you're mixing physical limitations with AI limitations.

And you're also trying to throw out the most complex use cases to solve.

We're talking about general work, 80% to 90% of the non-outlier cases.

>>1742246
you're assuming the other anon is wrong and things won't be engineered for automated repair and replacements.

it's probably just going to be modular crap that gets swapped out in seconds.

>>1742251

Don't be one of those plumbers that think other professionals can't do basic work.

We just don't want to get dirty and have the money to pay poorfags to do it for us.

>>1742259
I don't, I just know when meme software devs have their heads in their asses.

>>1742254

Running conduit is not a complex use case.

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I have a university degree but decided to become an electrician anyway. The stereotype of the boorish, dim-witted tradesman isn't always true but it didn't come out of nowhere either. Lot's of these guys are lazy, immature, and would never be able to cut it in any line of work that involves using their minds. It makes it easy for the sensible guys to succeed desu, when this is what we are competing with. That said, I can understand why white-collar "professionals" are sometimes prejudiced against those in the trades.

>>1742273
>I can understand why white-collar "professionals" are sometimes prejudiced against those in the trades.

I'm not hating on plumbers at all. I'm saying, don't be so arrogant that you think your job is untouchable and 'way too complex' for machines to figure out.

>>1742238
Man, fuck the tradesman shit, do you understand AI or its limitations at all? You can't just magically seed a heuristic software widget with visual data and expect it to do okay.

But lemme guess,
>m-muh self driving cars
Those don't use only cameras, and they operate in a well-known and very strict ruleset predicated on having tons of signage everywhere that is specifically designed to be easily acquired and immediately understood. Even the very fonts picked by highway departments worldwide are chosen to be as readable as possible as quickly as possible. And even then, self-driving cars are a way off.

The interior of a wall is not such an intrinsically easy to understand place. There are shitty contractors who have no sense of cable management. The ones that do might do their own thing. There are dozens and hundreds of different colors, sizes, and types of wires and tubing and piping that run in totally arbitrary ways. It's not something you can solve as easily as just "lol have an ai do it"

>>1741863
>falling for the liquidjew

No drugs. No cigarettes. No alcohol.

Probably why I make more money than you.

>>1742620
I understand your point however.

>There are shitty contractors who have no sense of cable management. The ones that do might do their own thing. There are dozens and hundreds of different colors, sizes, and types of wires and tubing and piping that run in totally arbitrary ways

If you have AI systems capable of replicating multiple trades most of these problems could be avoided.

Your argument seems to boil down to "an AI system cannot respond adequately to human error, therefore an AI system won't work in this context". With a good enough AI system human error is not an issue.

I guess that is only really relevant to new buildings. I imagine prefab components are going to be playing an even bigger role in new buildings in the future.

these threads are good, if only there werent the autists who take everything to heart though.

I used to look down on them, but my views have changed since many of my friends are in trades and have worked their way up to management positions.

>>1734299
t. tradesman

>>1734059
Yes, but not because of their profession. I look down upon them because most of them don't have the drive to work for themselves, when it's so easy in the trades to do so.

I design & manufacture custom cabinets for a living.

>>1734136
wow dude, tell us more about how hard you work all day long while soft people sit in offices. fuck off.

>>1742238
It would be a pretty shit robot
The amount of coding to make it would be massive so it doesnt fuck
It would be in a unique situation 99 percent of the time and would roughly have a 50 50 chance of fucking up in said unique situation