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Discussion about poker, sports betting, sports trading and any +EV gambling. Discuss statistical mechanics, bankroll management, strategy etc..
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Does anybody have experience with smarkets? Will they close accounts that are too succesful or will they just leave them as they take the 2% commision off every profit anyway?
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>>1385784
I really wish I had bet on Brexit when it was 8/1 against, unfortunately I was piss poor at the time. As a value bet it was well worth it though.
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>>1385986
Exchanges don't close accounts, some levy increased charges on high volume traders.
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>>1385994
Yeah, these kind of markets interest me as they're mainly driven by recreational gamblers, so when the bookies balance it you can get distorted prices so good value to be had, I remember it opening early on BF with closer prices around 3.5-4 for leave so it was a hard one to read.
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>flop quads
>go all in
>snap called
>runner runner royal gets there
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>>1386138
You do realize at a casino this is considered a jackpot hand right? Depending on the casino you could have won tens of thousands.
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>>1386327
>it wasn't in a fucking cash game
>it was an online tourney near the bubble
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I live in Vegas and I'm a pretty dang good player. I want to make poker my primary source of income but my bankroll management sucks. How many max buyins should I have before trying to grind cash games for a living?

Here's a small tourney I won last night lel.
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>>1386489
Though I'm not a cash player I would suggest each buy-in be 2-5% of your bankroll
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>>1386489
Cash game 50buy-ins
Tourney 300 buy-ins
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>>1386489

Depends where you want to play in Vegas.

Play $1/$2 at a Shithole like Stratosphere - Like $2k will be fine.

Want to play $1/$3 at a hoodie wearer's paradise like Aria? Like 25 buyins+
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>>1386524
>>1386535
Thanks

>>1386537
Would like to start at 1/2 and 1/3 then work my way up from there. I never really have the intention of making huge huge money with poker, just enough to make a healthy living.
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>>1385986
>>1386032
not true

it isn't about being successful but rather the manner in which you trade, they're a smaller exchange and don't have the liquidity of betfair etc.. they also seem to provide liquidity to the exchange themselves ergo if you do things that affect the profitability of them doing that (i.e. you cause their liquidity providing operation to take a loss) you might well end up in them telling you to stop or banning you
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>>1385994
the interesting thing there is how open it was to manipulation - the volume of bets at bookies etc.. were mostly skewed towards 'leave' however the size of the remain bets were larger./.. some large remain bets kept the odds skewed towards favouring 'remain'....

now what is interesting is that the FX markets etc.. were all looking towards betting odds as a proxy for assessing the probability of brexit... if you really wanted to manipulate things then placing large bets for remain then going long GBP (before the polls closed) would have been a nice bet - obviously banks can't just go placing bets and for most funds it isn't in their investor docs etc.. either - some prop traders could though
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>tfw you donk bet the flop
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>>1388514
>tfw you flop 20 sets in a row and get paid off on a couple of them
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>>1386489

> I'm a pretty dang good player
> my bankroll management sucks.

Pick one, and only one.
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I wanted to put some $ on Trump winning the general election. Thouhgt odds were great, but now that hillary got away with the server shit (wtf amerifats???), im doubting the odds are still in my favor.
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>>1388693

I got 5:1 on Trump. I also had 21:1 on Jeb lol.
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>AA
>flop a set
>only lose if a nigger gets a straight on the river
>all in
>lose to the straight

last time I played poker
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what type of winrate do you think is possible at 25nl zoom bovada? What about 100nl? They have no rakeback so wonder how profitable it could really be.

back in the day people thought 10bb/100 was standard but when tracking sites started it turned out only like 5 guys won at 8bb/100 at each stake over 50k hand samples and it's probably safe to assume they ran above expectation.

problem is when you plug in 5bb/100 winrates into variance calculators you realize you're due 20 buyin downswings like once every 100k hands and I can't imagine playing through that. Around the 18th buyin I'd assume the site is rigged and withdraw for sure.
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>>1389048
Bad beats don't matter, only long-term winnings count. For this you need perseverance and proper bankroll management.
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>>1389117


yeah so just have aspergers when you play and grind 18 hours a day to profit on a dying, ever increasing in learning curve game thats banned online in america for the next 5 years minimum
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>>1388693
>when you bet on trump at 500:1

Such a fucking sick bet.

>>1389048
Seems like you got it in either on the flop or the turn, which is okay. Sometimes, niggers win. It happens. Just know, more often than not, they lose.
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>>1389100
i wouldn't fuck with bovada. they have more bots than any other site due to the anonymity. get on WPN, or their major skin, ACR, and you can get like 25% rakeback. if you're pretty good at poker, or pretty good at hosting, you should try to host a poker stream on twitch. you'll get subs and dono's to hedge against tourney buy ins, and then possible recognition to the point of a sponsorship.

you also have to remember that when the sites came out, everyone was multitabling for rakeback pro status. (a losing play in more than one way) when people multitable, their win rate goes down. just playing one table, it's not going to be unheard of having a winrate of 20bb/100.

>>1389221
the poker boom is coming back. there's more money on live tables and more money coming in online, as well. legalization is coming as well, as it's been in a few states already. though, while the game is getting further solved, don't expect 90% of players to actually understand any of it.
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>>1385994

If you're going to be thinking of whatifs, you should have bet on Leicester City...
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>>1389497
>poker is coming back
proofs???
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Fun zone.

UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.13, PFR: 17.02, 3Bet Preflop: 3.90, Hands: 194)
MP: 107.5 BB (VPIP: 41.75, PFR: 36.89, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 108)
CO: 181 BB (VPIP: 18.33, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 13.64, Hands: 60)
BTN: 117 BB (VPIP: 46.15, PFR: 30.77, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 26)
SB: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 5.88, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
Hero (BB): 103 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ac Qd
fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 8 BB, BTN calls 5 BB

Flop : (16.5 BB, 2 players) 7c 8s 4h
Hero bets 11 BB, BTN calls 11 BB

Turn : (38.5 BB, 2 players) 5h
Hero checks, BTN bets 21 BB, Hero calls 21 BB

River : (80.5 BB, 2 players) 3h
Hero checks, BTN bets 38 BB, Hero calls 38 BB

BTN shows Tc Jc (High Card, Jack)
(Pre 40%, Flop 40%, Turn 27%)

Hero shows Ac Qd (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 60%, Flop 60%, Turn 73%)

Hero wins 149 BB

>>1390705
the increase in legalization? have you seen twitch poker?
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Which poker variant would you say has the least amount of luck to it?
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>>1392155
Omaha Hi/Lo or O8. The kind of edge you can achieve is bigger. Variance remains huge in all games. Less action and interest means less money though.
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I want to start playing poker to btfo my local casino.
Any guide on learning or strategy? I don't know if being an hugely autistic mathfag helps or not.
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>>1392375
Harrington on Holdem is a good read
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>>1392375
There's tons of resources out there, only a google away. Start with a book on nlhe cash, then brush up on latest concepts and theory, finally find forums or a discussion group.
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>>1392364
Lol

>least amount of luck
>highest variance game

you are right that you "can" achieve a bigger edge if you find a table of people who are uninformed, but luck is biggest in Omaha H/L over a small-medium sample size.
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>>1385994

Where can Americans legally bet on events like Brexit or election outcomes?
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>>1392446
No where. Only places I've been able to gamble that seem non sketchy are cryptocoin sites oddly enough.
It sucks. I have no clue why gambling is so heavily restricted here in the states.

t. frustrated gambler in a state with no casinos
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>>1385784
A friend of mine said he is writing a computer program of 60k lines of code to gamble on sports matches.
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>>1392462
Bovada and 5dimes are names my yank cousins have mentioned. You can set up an agent fairly easily though and use any bookmaker you want.
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>>1389489
Where u get those odds, or was it after he announced?
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>>1392364
Omaha hilo obliterates donk bankrolls. Getting it in bad at o8 is way worse than getting it in bad at nlhe.
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>>1392446
you can't... unless you use financial markets as a proxy

you're able to bet on GBP for example

I don't quite understand how 'gambling' is illegal over there when bets are essentially just derivatives - as far as they work at UK bookies they're essentially just binary options on particular events
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I'm not crazy enough to try to live off it, but my lifetime blackjack returns are like 1500% with legit buy-ins. It's been a while but I keep thinking of rolling up with some larger hands since I've made off so well in the past.
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>>1393131
what? is online gambling illegal in murrica?
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>>1390908


since the last time i was interested in poker 2 years ago, how many states have legalized? how many platforms allow americans to play at all? any movements? i get the feeling the shit is in the same exact spot as it was two years ago: nevada and new jersey separate pools on one site

we're still looking at like 5+ years for legalization again, if ever because of casino lobbying
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>>1393539


not that i care anyway because poker is really really time consuming, and really testing on patience. if you can find poker enjoyable to grind in you could find anything fun, including much more profitable things that don't have killer learning curves
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>>1393479
They have too much freedom
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>>1393543

like what? give me one example of easy money like poker was in 2007
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>>1394050

well if youve got a time machine back to 2007 then you could do a lot of things
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>>1394050
not nowadays though, 2007 poker was ridiculous.
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>>1394063
>poker
>still not easy money

You just have to be a freak of nature, that's all. Know your current meta theory very well while being able to accurately describe equity situations and gauge player styles and be extremely self aware of yourself. That's all.
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>>1394332
>it's still easy money if you are rain man
rely meks u think
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>>1394461
i have lost every hand in two days. WHAT THE FUCK.
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UTG: 8.75 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
UTG+1: 6.4 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
MP: 55.31 BB (VPIP: 34.04, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 47)
CO: 3.5 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
BTN: 24.75 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
SB: 10.89 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 22.22, Hands: 30)
Hero (BB): 13.41 BB

7 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.2 BB) Hero has Ac As
UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 1 BB, SB raises to 5 BB, Hero raises to 13.31 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 7.65 BB and is all-in, fold, SB calls 5.79 BB and is all-in

Flop : (31.92 BB, 3 players) 9s 3h 5c

Turn : (31.92 BB, 3 players) 4h

River : (31.92 BB, 3 players) Kh

UTG shows Ah Qh (Flush, Ace High)

Main Pot [27.65 BB]: (Pre 12%, Flop 5%, Turn 21%)

SB shows 6c 6d (One Pair, Sixes)

Main Pot [27.65 BB]: (Pre 20%, Flop 13%, Turn 17%)
Side Pot [4.27 BB]: (Pre 22%, Flop 14%, Turn 24%)

Hero shows Ac As (One Pair, Aces)

Main Pot [27.65 BB]: (Pre 68%, Flop 82%, Turn 62%)
Side Pot [4.27 BB]: (Pre 78%, Flop 86%, Turn 76%)

UTG wins 27.65 BB
Hero wins 4.27 BB

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

HATE

TOURNEYS
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Give this a little bump. What have people been playing? How's this month gone?
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>>1394050
>>1394050
>give me one example of easy money like poker was in 2007

I used to torrent tons of poker training vids. The early card runners stuff was like 2008 and you'd have a pro playing 5/10 with multiple limpers. It was just loose passive fish with occasional tilting aggrotards everywhere. If you could fold 1 pair hands to a turn raise, you'd print money.
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>>1396243
im up like 3 bi sadly enough
need to get some rakeback volume in

>>1396261
this happens a lot in live games
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>>1396662
CO: 102 BB (VPIP: 17.91, PFR: 13.53, 3Bet Preflop: 2.00, Hands: 140)
Hero (BTN): 120 BB
SB: 75.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 22.58, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 62)
BB: 79 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 7)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5c Ac
CO raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, SB raises to 5 BB, BB calls 4 BB, CO calls 2 BB, Hero raises to 15 BB, SB calls 10 BB, BB calls 10 BB, fold

Flop : (50 BB, 3 players) Js 7c 4c
SB checks, BB bets 15.5 BB, Hero raises to 105 BB and is all-in, fold, BB calls 48.5 BB and is all-in

Turn : (178 BB, 2 players) 6d

River : (178 BB, 2 players) 2s

Hero shows 5c Ac (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 67%, Flop 47%, Turn 41%)

BB shows 2h 7s (Two Pair, Sevens and Twos)
(Pre 33%, Flop 53%, Turn 59%)

BB wins 169.5 BB
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>>1396772
Lol holy shit you are so bad.
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>>1396778
Yeah dude, I'm so bad calling down with 72o. Okay, guy.
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>>1396782
I didn't say he wasnt bad. He sucks and you still managed to play worse.
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>>1396784
Yeah, cause the guys range is literally any two cards, if you hadn't noticed.
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>>1396786
It appears that so is yours. You 4bet with ace rag (lmao).
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>>1396791
guy to my right is a tight player, and when he called, i can take the lead because his range is capped and i block his aces. i was wanting to originally 3bet him but i usually reserve that for non suited blockers
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>>1396772
Wow that was a great call. He had you down cold from start to finish. You might as well have just shown him your hole cards, that's how accurately he had you read. I would love to have seen the hands that lead up to this one. Brilliant play.
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>>1396807
i actually got him in the end with the same hand

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 1.72, Hands: 159)
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 340 BB (VPIP: 53.16, PFR: 26.58, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 79)
UTG: 127.5 BB (VPIP: 91.30, PFR: 81.82, 3Bet Preflop: 57.14, Hands: 26)
MP: 123.5 BB (VPIP: 18.15, PFR: 15.28, 3Bet Preflop: 5.21, Hands: 299)
CO: 104.5 BB (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 12.38, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 110)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ac 5c
UTG raises to 27.5 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 27 BB, fold

Flop : (56 BB, 2 players) 9c Jh Kh

Turn : (56 BB, 2 players) Kc

River : (56 BB, 2 players) 5d

Hero shows Ac 5c (Two Pair, Kings and Fives)
(Pre 67%, Flop 75%, Turn 89%)

UTG shows 4s Qh (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 33%, Flop 25%, Turn 11%)

Hero wins 228.5 BB
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>>1396811
>Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ac 5c
UTG raises to 27.5 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 27 BB, fold
>Hero calls 27 BB
>Hero calls 27 BB
>Hero wins 228.5 BB
LolWot? Naw. You need to stop making up stories.
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>>1396816
nah i busted him with at
he had just punted off a 5bi stack with some bullshit
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>>1396823
Naw lol. He started the hand with 127bb. You called an AI (or went AI yourself) preflop with ace rag. Thats just reckless poker. No wonder you get slammed by variance. You are a luckbox at best.
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>>1396825
no im saying he had just punted off a couple hands before
he had only 25bb left really in the hand i was just fucking around
but my sd is like 85 which is kinda below avg
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>>1396829
Lol k.
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>>1396832
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>>1396772
what is this? NL2 or facebook poker?
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>>1396261
"No money in poker, everyone's solid" was already a meme on 2+2 in 2009, as far as I remember.
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BB: 99.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 17.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
UTG: 250.5 BB (VPIP: 18.52, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 84)
Hero (MP): 100.5 BB
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 29.63, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
BTN: 107.5 BB (VPIP: 11.76, PFR: 10.29, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 68)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.22, PFR: 20.52, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 234)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ts Th
fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 3 BB

Flop : (8.5 BB, 2 players) 8s 8d 6d
BB checks, Hero bets 5 BB, BB calls 5 BB

Turn : (18.5 BB, 2 players) 9c
BB checks, Hero bets 9 BB, BB raises to 18 BB, Hero calls 9 BB

River : (54.5 BB, 2 players) 7h
BB bets 32.5 BB, Hero calls 32.5 BB

BB shows 6c 6s (Full House, Sixes full of Eights)
(Pre 19%, Flop 83%, Turn 91%)

Hero shows Ts Th (Straight, Ten High)
(Pre 81%, Flop 17%, Turn 9%)

BB wins 114 BB
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UTG: 75.5 BB (VPIP: 46.67, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
MP: 101 BB (VPIP: 20.59, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
Hero (CO): 112 BB
BTN: 120 BB (VPIP: 35.71, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
SB: 117.5 BB (VPIP: 18.52, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 27)
BB: 105.5 BB (VPIP: 25.13, PFR: 20.42, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 195)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2s 2c
UTG calls 1 BB, MP raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB, BTN calls 2 BB, SB calls 1.5 BB, BB calls 1 BB, UTG calls 1 BB

Flop : (12 BB, 6 players) 2d 3h 5d
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB, BTN calls 10 BB, SB calls 10 BB, fold, fold

Turn : (52 BB, 4 players) Qh
SB checks, MP bets 35 BB, Hero calls 35 BB, BTN calls 35 BB, fold

River : (157 BB, 3 players) 9h
MP bets 54 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 54 BB, fold

MP shows 4s As (Straight, Five High)
(Pre 50%, Flop 64%, Turn 77%)

Hero shows 2s 2c (Three of a Kind, Twos)
(Pre 50%, Flop 36%, Turn 23%)

MP wins 252 BB
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this dude was an absolute fucking drooler

BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 24.56, PFR: 17.54, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 58)
UTG: 42 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Hero (CO): 101.5 BB
BTN: 120 BB (VPIP: 47.83, PFR: 30.43, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 23)
SB: 99 BB (VPIP: 7.14, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ad 9s
fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop : (10 BB, 3 players) 9c Js 6c
SB checks, Hero bets 6 BB, BTN calls 6 BB, fold

Turn : (22 BB, 2 players) 8s
Hero bets 10.5 BB, BTN raises to 23 BB, Hero calls 12.5 BB

River : (68 BB, 2 players) Qh
Hero checks, BTN bets 43 BB, Hero calls 43 BB

Hero shows Ad 9s (One Pair, Nines)
(Pre 59%, Flop 52%, Turn 59%)

BTN shows Tc 4c (Straight, Queen High)
(Pre 41%, Flop 48%, Turn 41%)

BTN wins 146.5 BB
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>>1398446
>>1398448
>>1398450
Holy shit why are you posting these hands? What do you expect us to say, "ouch those are bad beats"? Honestly these types of hands are what seperates pro players from mediocre ones. You seem like the guy who can't seem to fold no matter what is happening on the board. I can tell by the way you play that you are unable to consider what the other player might have and you only think of whats in your own hand.

>b-but I can't fold my set
>b-but I can't fold my overpair

I don't even know what the fuck was going through your head with the A9. You could only really beat a total bluff. Learn to fold sometimes, fucking hell.
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>>1398446
dude this is awful. he minraises you on the turn and ok some good players maybe would call here every now and then if they have a read on their opponent. But then he bets 2/3 pot on the river such an obvious value bet after the aggression on the turn.

Put yourself in his shoes, you bet on the flop. you bet-called the turn. If he bets the river, is he really expecting you to fold when the only hands the river helps are already threatened by the flop? No, thus he bets because he thinks you'll call and he has the best hand. He probably put you on 3 8s or JJ-AA and knew he could milk you doing exactly what he did.

learn from this.
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>>1398448
This is the one where you maybe played the best. A good player could get away from this, but good players would do the same as you sometimes, depends on how the other players are playing.

Some advice I would give though is: people aren't bluffing every time they bet. more often than not they are trying to extract value from you.

>>1398450
fine up until the turn then you just suck. you c-bet and the button called you, so now you have someone calling you down who's in position and you have middle pair. time to let go and check fold on the turn. WHEN HE RAISES ON THE TURN WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU CALL? SEE THE ABOVE ADVICE. WHEN HE FUCKING BETS 2/3 POT ON THE RIVER AND YOU HAVE 3rd PAIR WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU FUCKING CALL YOU FUCK?

Dude people aren't on these sites thinking they'll just bluff their ass off and get rich. Most players are competent and it takes a lot of work and analysis to beat them consistently. Put some work into reevaluating your decisions in these hands.

Get it together bro. I'm sick of this shit.
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>>1398473
Agree with all of this. I will add a little extra though. A good player would absolutely have been able to get away from the first hand because a good player would have reraised on the flop. Why just call a set when there is obvious straight draws and flush draws on the board? Once he reraised and was called there was really only 2 hands his opponent could have. A flush draw or a straight. He could have figured it out by observing how the other guy bet after the flop.
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>>1398481
this
is the perfect response to that flop and preceding action.
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>>1398466
>holy shit why are you posting poker hands in a poker thread what the fuck is wrong with you seriously?
>why can't you fold when you're given the right price to call, what do you hate burning money or something and want people to exploit a high fold tendency?
>im obviously a pro here you're such a fucking fish dude only pros snap fold this like it's their job, cause it literally is
>i put my opponent on only two cards instead of a range based on their play pattern and tendencies

>>1398470
yes, on the turn, im getting a 3-1 price to call here. on the river, it's like 2.7-1. did you happen to see the other hand in this thread where i call down the same spot with ace high and got paid off?

>>1390908

stay scrub kid

>>1398473
the button has a high float bet frequency. what you suggest, folding 2nd pair every time oop, is extremely exploitable.

though, did you happen to see how I was still ahead on the turn? when I correctly called? I should fold when I'm ahead? Okay, that's what pros do. Learn how to read bet sizing patterns. the higher the bet size, the more bluffs are in there. his line makes no sense, if he hit a straight on the turn, he'd call my bet and let me bluff into him on the river. if he had a set, he would've raised me on the flop. if he had overpair, he'd raise pre. if he had TPTK, he'd just call all the way down, maybe folding on the river.

try to game theory, bruh.

>>1398481
im actually having a hard time trying to understand your post. which reraise are you talking about in the 22 hand? the dude raise pre from the hijack, and you think you can only put him only a4 and one combo of some other hand?
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>>1398492
>to exploit a high fold tendency
What you don't seem to understand is that it is much easier to exploit a high call tendency than a high fold tendency. It's ok to let go of a hand when you are beat. If you are aggressing all throughout the hand and he reraises you then you have to entertain the possibility that 1.he puts you on a good hand and 2.he can beat that hand. Learn to spot those situations instead of assuming that your opponent is always making a move on you.

>see the other hand in this thread where i call down the same spot with ace high and got paid off
Wow one of your bluff catchers actually worked. Bravo. It's bound to happen when you are incapable of folding.

>the dude raise pre from the hijack, and you think you can only put him only a4 and one combo of some other hand?
If he is not a total fish, then yes. The only hands he is just going to call you with is a straight or flush draw in that situation. Any other hand he is either folding or coming over the top. He might have even come over the top with his straight if he thought you had the flush draw, but the majority of the time he is only calling there, not wanting to scare you away.
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What do I have to read in order to become a pro gambler.
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>>1398492
I get the mathematical argument for the turn maybe, but for >>1398446
this hand, you're getting 1.68:1 to call the river. If you think you'll have the best hand there 60%+ of the time then it's fine, but I think you'll be calling with a worse hand 40-50% of the time (or worse). you lose to better straight, pocket 6s, pocket 9s, pocket 7s, 86, 89, 87, and with his aggression I think you'll see him show up with one of those hands more than 40% of the time making this a -ev play by you.
>I KNOW ABOUT POT ODDS GUYS
>ONLY GOOD PLAYERS KNOW ABOUT POT ODDS

also on the turn you have a fucking pair of tens. you're gonna bleed money away just calling every minraise because "he might be bluffing and the odds are good" maybe he made the odds good because he's got a good read on your hand or he's not scared of being beat at all.

For your comment about >>1398450
this hand, preflop you're fine, flop you're fine (would've preferred a check-call especially if youre c-betting all the time, but that's my style), but on the turn disregarding the argument about 2barreling, when he reraises you, why do you call? because you think you have the best hand? I know what you're thinking dude, you're thinking "Fuck, I c-bet all the fucking time and this guy doesn't believe me so he's bluffing, I'm not gonna let him bluff me I actually have a pair."
And that call on the river is garbage, you'll never meet a poker player in your life who has anything redeeming in the world to say about that river call. might as well have shoved if you're planning on calling 43, at least you could've folded out some worse hands. but no you actually thought you had showdown value with 3rd pair after a reraise on the turn and a large bet on the river.

These are my opinions and more power to you if you think you can play better.

http://www.officialpokerrankings.com/fulltiltpoker/boomtowns/poker/results/17507E40652241BBB8F150D373F6F891.html?t=2
that's me btw so clearly off my game for a while.
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>>1398448
Question: why didn't you reraise on the flop here like the other anon suggested. With so many draws and 4 people in the hand you were begging to get sucked out on. If you didn't reraise because you thought there was more than a 50% chance someone had a straight, then why did you call off your whole stack on the turn and river? Nothing you did here made sense.
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>>1398528
I'm starting to think it's b8 dude. No one that bad would even know what hand histories are.
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>>1398503
i have a high aggressive frequency. players love trying to either play more aggressively or trying to float me. its my image.

the chances that he's making a move outweigh the chances he's not. if he were a much tighter player, i'd be able to put him on aj+, but thats the thing, he would've already been raising pre to let me know hes strong. i was right to call the turn bluff. if anything, i should've shoved and realized my fold equity.

>thinking that having bluff catchers in your range means you have a low fold frequency

if you put him on a4, you'd justifiably put him on a2 all the way up. his range is so wide that it's insane to fold. not to mention all the pocket pairs as well. he could easily have AA trying to see the turn making sure it either completes the straight draw or doesn't complete the flush draw.

>>1398519
32.5 + 54.5 = 87 / 32.5 = 2.67
but then again that's actually not the correct way to calculate pot odds as i forget to include my bet
so it's
87 + 32.5 = 119.5 / 32.5 = 3.67

>i know about pot odds
>not realizing that the money you put into the pot no longer belongs to you and that the final pot youre winning includes it

I also block draws on the turn.

I called because the price.

32.5 + 23 + 12.5 = 68 / 12.5 = 5.44

If he's trying to extract value, he's leaving massive amounts of money on the table and I'm going to be able to exploit the living fuck out of him.

you would've snap folded at the sight of any draw 100% of the time. LOL.

dude, youre fucking stats are PATHETIC. 5k in a YEAR? IN 2008? LMAO. I MAKE 10K+ A MONTH PLAYING LIVE
HOLY FUCKING SHIT ARE YOU LITERALLY TRYING TO FUCKING

B R A G

ABOUT 5K A FUCKING YEAR?! LUCKBOXING A FUCKING TOURNEY?! I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY KEKKED AT A POST IN A LONG TIME BUDDY HOLY KEK

>>1398528
if the guy has an overpair, he might think i hit the q calling there and stack off on the river. im trying to get his entire stack, not scare him off of it. that's not how set mining works.
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>>1398551
>if the guy has an overpair, he might think i hit the q calling there and stack off on the river. im trying to get his entire stack, not scare him off of it.
Guy? What guy? I see 4 people in the pot. I still don't get the point of not reraising with a set. If it was a dry board, then yeah, slowplay it all the way. It wasn't though. There was multiple straight and flush draws out there. I don't know anyone that knows the game that would have played it like you did. It was just odd that you didn't reraise and decided to just call off your whole stack there. Would he really have pushed all in to a multiway pot with anything less than a straight, knowing a bluff wouldn't work since you were pot commited on the turn? I just don't see your reasoning there, sorry. Maybe you should at least consider the thought that it might have been a really bad play.
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just started playing a week ago

this is a strategy i use at microstakes tables (.5/1)

if everyone just checks/small bets on turn and river, i go all in

everybody folds by default (they would have bet/raised otherwise)

i'm playing noobs. turned $20 into $80 by grinding like this though
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>>1398530
Yea, it has to be a troll. I thought he was serious until he says he makes $10k/month. That's really not possible with the way he plays.
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>>1398561
the one with the lead aka minraiser
plus, it puts sets in my check/call range which becomes difficult to play against
if he minraised with a4, he's probably a little looser than only getting it in with the nuts
not everyone knows that bluffing wouldn't work on the turn. there are a lot of people, even in this thread, who think it's wise to fold when you're either getting an auto-profit price or that you're pot committed.

if i reraise, what am i reraising with? remember, i called. it would most likely put on almost entirely on straights, but is that guy good enough to fold a straight? most likely not.
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>>1398551
lol that's not how you calc pot odd bro. you were right I forgot to include his bet, but you would phrase it I'm calling 32.5 to win 87 or 2.67:1
seriously lol at
>but then again that's actually not the correct way to calculate pot odds as i forget to include my bet
so it's
87 + 32.5 = 119.5 / 32.5 = 3.67

we're going in circles, but if the board is AhKhQhTh2c and you have 3d4d and are getting 1,000,000:1 on a call, do you make the call? the point is if you only use odds to make your decision you can be exploited.

Whatever though bro I'm sure you're winning a ton of money and that's why you're on /biz/ posting those golden hh. And yeah man 2008 was my freshmen year and when school got serious I laid off because I took my career seriously. Poker wasn't for me which was why I posted that to show you I'm talking shit but haven't played really in 7 years and was never that good. And as bad as I was, I know not to do what you're doing.

GL HF but you don't need luck, you've got skill :^)
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>>1398566
You're fucked when someone builds up notes on you pal, which would be relativley quick unless your playing zoom or rush or w.e
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>>1398576
I put in a wrong formula to get you to look at your incorrect math.

Depending on the player, if I know they only play T+, then I know my equity there is 0% on the river. If I've seen him play 43 before, then I have to call 100% of the time.

Do you know about expected value? You use a range to calculate it. Let's say the pot is 1m and I have to call 1 on your board. Villain has literally any two cards in his range. my equity is about .2%. 199900.2 is the amount I expect to win if he plays all hands.

You played in 2008, and it's been what, eight years since? The game has changed entirely.

But as far as posting on /biz/, you do know that martin shkreli has a trip on here? why would he do that if he has millions?
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who /tinder/ here?
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Biz janny such a fag.
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>>1399145
Yes you can but these /bet/ style posts will just get deleted.
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Inbetweeners film on c4 lids, first one
>>1399156
Any bets tonight?
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>>1399215
Who said I was white ;)

Literally frothing at the mouth to get back to uni. So many cute European girls need to get SMASHED. Particular Italian on my course with THE fattest ass.
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>>1399208
Half cokes on me when you do

>not sure if this was a rejection or a proposal
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Rude
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>>1399221
>calls other people ugly
>tits like a child's pencil case
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Inbetweeners SO good
SO ill conversation died
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>Tfw don't drink
>Tfw clubbing is horrific
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>>1399228
The state of this
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>>1399224
Really not a big fan of some of these pal
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>>1399231
Pick up on HARD mode. Have to use charm.
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>>1399228
Just lost so much respect for you
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>>1399192
>Trading standards

giggling
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Old /bet/ was completely anti-clubbing and anti-student, how times have changed..
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>>1399237
Not religious reasons m8.
>>1399241
I'm anti clubbing.
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>>1399243
I clocked that
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>>1399242
Feel so SO ill seeing your matches this week m8. Please pay attention next time. Nah just don't like the feeling of being drunk.
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>>1399241
Every shrewdie was a student
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>>1399248
Not true.
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>>1399246
no reason to get drunk lid, don't go to clubs myself, do like to go for a couple drinks with my friends though.
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>>1399252
/2 +7.
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>>1399252
Mind in pieces.
>>1399257
Works for me.
>>1399254
Yeah, prefer actually taking girls on dates rather than meeting them at clubs etc.
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>>1399239
>posting worldies like this and I don't even have a funny match to post

KILL ME
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what the fuck is going on in this thread?

did one of you really get THAT assblasted?
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>>1399266
Looks like she'd rape you and then say see you again next week same time.
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>>1399271
>Just want to find someone to talk to desu
Is that all it takes lads? I can be that someone new
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biz ban again lids, nice tinder posting, hoping my luck improves next week
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5k on the roulette table, nothing fancy, just picking red or black -- straight 50 percent chance.

No, back and forth winning and losing, just one gamble, going in there at peace if you just lose it all at once.

Is this scenario so bad if you want to one day just risk a small stash at a casino?
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Before I get banned, I want to remind the /biz/ fans that /sp/'s /bet/ will always be superior to /biz/'s "I lost a poker, here is my blog/
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All the Tinder posters in this thread, you've been reported. Enjoy your bans! At /biz/ we don't tolerate this degenerate behaviour!
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where is your edge?
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>>1399281
>i bet on sports hurr durr

Always a -EV game.
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>>1399288
TEARS
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>>1399294
>getting swindled by literal jews
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What can i play poker on and bet real money?
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>>1399420
REEEEE

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 26.83, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 42)
Hero (SB): 101.5 BB
BB: 70.5 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 13)
UTG: 191.5 BB (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 13)
MP: 44 BB (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
CO: 110 BB (VPIP: 22.09, PFR: 15.12, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 86)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Qs As
fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 70.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 67.5 BB

Flop : (141 BB, 2 players) 7d Kc 9d

Turn : (141 BB, 2 players) Js

River : (141 BB, 2 players) 5c

Hero shows Qs As (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 66%, Flop 24%, Turn 23%)

BB shows 6c 9s (One Pair, Nines)
(Pre 34%, Flop 76%, Turn 77%)

BB wins 134 BB
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>>1399432
Everything is okay.

SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 23.91, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 47)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 122 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 94.12, 3Bet Preflop: 80.00, Hands: 18)
MP: 202 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 15.38, Hands: 18)
CO: 51.5 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
BTN: 104.5 BB (VPIP: 21.28, PFR: 15.05, 3Bet Preflop: 4.88, Hands: 94)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7s 7d
UTG raises to 122 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 99 BB and is all-in

Flop : (200.5 BB, 2 players) 2d Kh Qs

Turn : (200.5 BB, 2 players) 5c

River : (200.5 BB, 2 players) 2c

Hero shows 7s 7d (Two Pair, Sevens and Twos)
(Pre 70%, Flop 85%, Turn 89%)

UTG shows 9s 5h (Two Pair, Fives and Twos)
(Pre 30%, Flop 15%, Turn 11%)

Hero wins 190.5 BB
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>>1399420
outside of US: Poker stars
inside US: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/where-can-us-players-play-first-post-updated-jul-16-a-1238038/
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>>1399432
>>1399435
You sure you're not playing zynga facebook poker?
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>>1399471
poker tracker cant track zynga
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>>1399491
You sure you're not playing super micro stakes then?
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>>1399494
ive seen play like this up to 500nl
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>>1386489
>http://www.ultimaratioregum.co.uk/game/2014/09/07/a-story-about-losing/
good read if you wanna be a poker pro.

Ultimately you've gotta make your own choices.

Regarding % of bankroll, you might not be able to keep it possibly because you need a certain minimum buy-in to meet your income requirements.
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>>1399520
Telling lies again fish? I would really like to see a poker profile with stats on you because you play like a total donkey.
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>>1399529
Young guns with lots of drug money. They don't care if they lose. They play a very different form of poker using equity concepts I'm sure you've never heard of. Too bad for them that they fried their brains dipping in their product.
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>>1399432
>>1399435
What the hell is this??? What site do you play on where people don't even raise the blinds and just shove preflop? I never saw this that much even when I used to play microstakes. This isn't poker it's bingo. Go make a bingo thread or something.
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>>1399536
>getting it in good is bingo

Nah, it's just dumbasses during fishy hour.
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>>1399539
What are you even doing in this thread? Seriously.
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>>1399542
shitposting
trying to get some people maybe interest in a game of money
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>>1399012
I'm just saying I think his range is a lot tighter than you think based on his actions. If you had a great read on him being a loose aggressive player then you're actions are fine. I know I haven't played in a while that's why I shared that with you to let you know you don't have to get upset I think you played poorly.

That river call is just not great and the fact that you say you have to call 100% if you've seen him bluff with air before is bad.

>you're not martin shkreli
>bro this one millionaire sucks dicks so sucking dicks isn't gay
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>>1399808
>what is literal math and expectations
>"hurr im redardeedddd"

BB: 119 BB (VPIP: 15.61, PFR: 13.10, 3Bet Preflop: 11.40, Hands: 523)
Hero (UTG): 186.5 BB
MP: 93 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
CO: 104 BB (VPIP: 30.30, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 34)
BTN: 106 BB (VPIP: 18.86, PFR: 12.96, 3Bet Preflop: 5.65, Hands: 620)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.69, PFR: 17.34, 3Bet Preflop: 5.09, Hands: 640)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Kc Ks
Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 4 BB, fold, BB raises to 16 BB, Hero raises to 41 BB, fold, BB calls 25 BB

Flop : (86.5 BB, 2 players) 7s 4c 6d
BB bets 41 BB, Hero raises to 145.5 BB and is all-in, BB calls 37 BB and is all-in

Turn : (242.5 BB, 2 players) 5h

River : (242.5 BB, 2 players) 8s

BB shows Kh Ah (Straight, Eight High)
(Pre 34%, Flop 14%, Turn 16%)

Hero shows Kc Ks (Straight, Eight High)
(Pre 66%, Flop 86%, Turn 84%)

BB wins 115 BB
Hero wins 115.5 BB
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>yer so bad
>A FISH
>"he bluff catches with a high"

Tiltlords, everyone.
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Is betting on boxing or MMA more or less profitable than betting on more mainstream sports such as soccer or basketball?
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>>1400261
if you can guess how the fight is fixed, then it's plus ev
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>>1400255
When people asked you if you are playing microstakes why didn't you say yes? The terrible hands make more sense at that really low level. It explains why you play incredibly loose.
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>>1400278
>20/18 is incredibly loose

>playing microstakes

Biggest I play online on non legal sites is 25nl. black friday wasn't fun for me when i had rolls on ps and ft. plus, the biggest withdrawal i can make on most sites is 500 so when shit hits the fan, im not getting screwed cause of that.
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>>1400297
Sorry dude but calling an AI preflop with 77 is pretty damn loose. It just makes more sense now.
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>>1400331
>snap calling a donk shoving literally any two cards with a pocket pair is bad is loose over tens of thousands of hands
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>>1400335
Like I said it makes sense at that really low level of play. At a higher stakes that call is really really bad. Best case scenario you have a coin flip. Worst case scenario you are dominated by an overpair. When you post hands you really should state that you are playing at .5/.10 microstakes. It puts the questionable plays into perspective.
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>>1400350
I've played with people like this at 500nl as well. You'd be surprised at how many idiots come in with their big wads of cash thinking they can just bully the table around with their "intentional equity".

I'm not sure if you understand what literally shoving literally any two cards means. He folded one time in position because a tight player raised. It's called playing the player, not the cards. You play against there range.

And why the fuck do you always have a different ID?
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>>1400261
Wouldn't say boxing or mma aren't mainstream. However you are more likely to get prices for obscure "soccer" games than random fights of boxers you've researched but that isn't a main card.
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>>1400362
>I've played with people like this at 500nl as well.
I play a ton of online poker on multiple different sites and people dont shove all in 100bb into a pot with a couple blinds in it unless you are playing really low stakes. Even if it does happen at 500nl in super rare occurances it is an even more questionable call because even if it is an ultra aggressive player you are risking 500 on a mid pp. If you don't understand that its a loose call then I can't really help you. You will figure it out eventually on your own.

>And why the fuck do you always have a different ID?
My phone changes IPs because I am on the train and traveling through different service areas.
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>>1400385
>ive played a ton online
>this is the same thing as live play
>i know everyone in the world and it's literally impossible for someone to play like that
>i dont understand what EV is or how to do math
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>>1400388
This happens even less frequently in live games than online. Rarely ever will you see anyone play that bad in a casino. Maybe you are playing house games? I don't even consider most house games really poker.
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>>1400391
Yes. Mostly invite only games. Mostly rake free, as well.

>i dont consider house games poker

It's where you can find extreme win rates occurring more than normal.

>he doesn't fat tail
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>>1393479
Gambling on election outcomes and votes is illegal. For the most part, you can gamble on websites, but that is more of a state law.
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>>1392446
If somebody made an Ethereum smart contract or something that bets on the outcome of the 2016 election, that would revolutionize betting and make millionaires overnight (assuming they don't pull a DAO)
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>>1400453
I thought your country was all about freedom..
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>>1400470
exactly
its a more free society when money isn't influencing the elections
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dumb card playing pussies...come play draft fantasy sports
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>>1400473
>omg brah
>did you see that tackle
>that was SO BRAHHH
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>>1400471
If you can find any political election in the history of mankind that isn't influenced by money then I would like to hear about it.
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>>1400475

actually used to hate sports but fantasy golf and nascar has made me bank..highest payout 1250 dollars for understand track position
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>>1400471
Lol that yanky rationalization.
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>>1400506
>when the tilt hits ya hard

UTG: 331.5 BB (VPIP: 61.29, PFR: 16.13, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)
Hero (MP): 100 BB
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
BTN: 77.5 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
SB: 123.5 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
BB: 109.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8h 5d 9c 7h
fold, Hero calls 1 BB, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop : (7.5 BB, 2 players) As 7d 6c
Hero checks, BTN bets 7.5 BB, Hero raises to 22.5 BB, BTN calls 15 BB

Turn : (52.5 BB, 2 players) Jh
Hero bets 25 BB, BTN calls 25 BB

River : (102.5 BB, 2 players) Ad
Hero checks, BTN checks

Hero shows 8h 5d 9c 7h (Two Pair, Aces and Sevens)
(Pre 53%, Flop 78%, Turn 48%)

BTN shows 2s Kc 3s Js (Two Pair, Aces and Jacks)
(Pre 47%, Flop 22%, Turn 53%)

BTN wins 97.5 BB
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>>1400255

What does it even prove? That's 1Kh, litterally anything can happen in that short of a sample.
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Are poker bots worth looking into?
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>>1401694

Probably yes, but you need extensive knowledge in both poker and programing.

You don't want to be playing to high or you'll be spotted and/or exploited and you need to carefuly chose the website you're playing on.
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>>1401694
No, you'll get banned eventualy and it's a scummy thing to do.
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Bamp.
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>>1386348
At least you played it right. Lady luck gonna take hers.
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>>1392375
Learn pot odds, learn what types of boards are good to bluff on, learn ranges, and learn the 4 main styles of play (LAG,TAG,Loose-Passive,Tight-Passive) and you'll be good to go.
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