Is your job safe from automation?

My industry? No.
My job? Yes. My company has been in the red for years and will never be able to afford a machine to replace me

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>>1009734
Discussions on this topic are a waste of time, you gain more reading books about economy from 100 years ago than wasting time discussing about potential automation of everything.
If by some miracle humanity achieves extraordinarily advanced AI capabilities then the system will adapt really fast with it and you will live to see the changes.
AI's could direct you into where you could create the most value based on your personality / skillsets.

With AI that is pure intelligence humanity would go towards a more rational, efficient direction... not this greedy, emotional capitilistc shithole.
Earth capacity is of 1000 billion humans, if smokers world wide would skip buying a pack of cigs today all the money saved would be sufficient to build a spaceship that could life 153 people in space.
No reason to be scared about that, it's all beneficial.

But future is darker than that, we have closer in our reach quantum computing... which will alive giants like google to approximate what you will want to search with high accuracy... or what would you want to see / advertise wise.
For simpletons compared to hardware we use today, quantum computing allows more operations than there are things in the world, mathematical power is amazing.

>>1009762
>discussions on this topic are a waste of time
>spends time discussing the topic
Lol

>>1009768
Took me less than 3 minutes to write it, I did not consider it a immense waste of time.
But I see your point, lol indeed.

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>>1009762
nigga what

>>1009762
>Discussions on this topic are a waste of time

Thanks for discussing.

>>1009774
You are welcome, but if you want to discuss provide more than a line of chat with three words.

>>1009777
no u fgt

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>>1009777

Robotic automation according to analysts say that around half the jobs of day will cease to exist within the next 10-20 years. White collar jobs aren't safe either in fact are just as vulnerable especially if it involves data management or interpretation of data... artificial intelligence will wipe those jobs out.

So now we must ask ourselves how will our civilization adapt to such a change very soon. How will we get money to keep the economic momentum churning? Will a basic universal income be necessary? Will a new currency be created to accommodate such a change? I'm curious.

>>1009777
Not worth discussing

>>1009789

Yeah, white collar jobs are at a huge risk. A human wage slave is still cheaper than a machine for a lot of menial positions.

White collar investment industry scum here.

Currently safe. Automation has already had a huge impact, but it's resulted more in increased capability than job cuts.

This will change over time, but from here it will be generational. As of now out automation limits are determined by our clients willingness to self serve. So it's going to take a generation or 2 to shake out all the fucks who can't self serve. Then I'm fucked ( and hopefully retired)

i'm a orthopedist, so yes

>>1009801
For now. But when these automatons can be produced en masse and the programming becomes more customizable and refined, they will be able to adapt to any office job.

Look at grocery store chains, and fast food chains. Self-serve checkout has boomed in 3 years, and has proved enormously profitable. 1 month of an employee's wages pays for one of these machines. Imagine what'll happen in 15 years.

I like to think not, but what I aspire to be isn't some type of high and mighty job.

It's [spoiler]making funny videos[/spoiler].

>>1009734

Really? this is sticky worthy? seriously what the fuck. Out of all of the good threads we've had, this is the one we sticky? Motherfuckers must be out of their mind.

But no, no it isn't. Most aren't. (don't ban me)

Software engineer. Some of us get automated, some of us adapt

No job is completely safe from some form of automation. Maybe they cant elimidate the job, but they can automate it to the point where it takes 75% less people to do it.

>>1009882
The thread isn't stickied you absolute moron

Nope.

There will always be a need for a human to sign off on the work I or any robot does. Someone needs to know the tests and specifications well enough to be liable if we ship bad materials.

>>1009734
My job is safe from the robots for the foreseeable future. However, its not safe from outsourcing to Chindia and insourcing the fuckers on the H1Bs.

No you stupid fuck head.

This exact same job with same image was posted on /g/.

Not sure if you're old enough to remember but I remember people used to say "OH MAN IN THE YEAR 2000 WE'RE GONNA HAVE ROBOTS DO ALL OUR WORK AND NO ONE WILL HAVE TO WORK ANYMORE".

Guess what it's been almost 16 years since then, and automation is still in the very early stages.

>>1009734
Anything in the human services is cool. People say a lot of bullshit.

a) Yes you can make a librarian robot but people want that human touch literally WHY they went to a librarian.

b) You can make a nurse robot but people want to feel comforted. Even with real skin you would know the thing was programmed to like you and still works to save money.

c) You can make a robot lawyer and it would be good but so uncreative it could be fooled a lot by charming words and juries will automatically hate the robot and take the humans side.

d) Same with bartender, veterinarian, front desk clerk, etc. etc. and so on and so forth.

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>>1009973
I am a researcher working on intelligent artificial systems. This is arguably the job that will need humans for the longest time.

>>1009734
I privately teach people to climb mountains and survive innawoods for a living. There are a lot of easily-scared wealthy people who want to know how to survive if everything goes to hell. My profession couldn't be safer.

>>1009913

Yes it was

my job is automation

>>1010031
>tfw Software engineer

>>1009985
> researcher
I think the person who implements the AI will have a few more hours than you when skynet comes online friend

>>1009734
Bank teller here.

ATMs have existed since the 60s and havent made us cunts obsolete yet. Never underestimate a) the value of human interaction and b) people's tendency to be ruled by engrained habits. Every day I have conversations with my customers telling them the benefits of going digital, using chip and PIN instead of a cheque book, pointing out the time saving benefits of using self service machines or internet banking. They bid their heads, smile, and next visit queue for 25 damn minutes just to get a printed balance and withdraw £10 like they always did.

>>1009762
>waste of time

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>>1010057
>nod their fucking heads, i mean

Only the spiritual aliens can save us from the machine and artificial overlordship.

youtube.com/watch?v=MvacG_nhD34

>>1009734
Business Analyst is one the the safest white collar jobs

>>1009734
>CS Degree
>tfw when Math PHD guys will automate everything I can do.

I fucking wish.
Customer Support will never die. No matter how throughly you idiot-proof your product, some asshole will sell it to a bigger idiot.

>>1009973
>Man, these new automated teller machines are never gonna catch on. When I go to the bank, I want to talk to a person, not a robot damn it!
>Man, these new automated phone support systems are never gonna catch on. When I call for help, I want to talk to a person, not a robot damn it!

By the way, modern phone support systems (ie automated) are almost indistinguishable from a human. If you're called any of a huge number of large companies for support in the last 5 years, you've almost certainly talked to a machine and you would never even realize the difference.

And in the next 5-15 years, automated driving is the next big thing. Transportation is a massive employer, so available jobs in that industry are going to start evaporating as soon as it becomes more cost effective to buy a self-driving Tesla or Google car than it does to hire some low-skill human.

Accounting, similar. That'll probably be the first major "high skill" job to be automated.

Lawyers will be cut down immensely. 95% of their billable hours are spent searching through court documents. We can, and will, have machines that do the same work in 12 seconds that a team of 4 humans working for a month does.

Automation is coming whether you want it to or not. All it's down to now is when will each job become more cost effective to automate than to hire out.

>>1009907
This is me.

Outright automation would be nearly impossible, but better technology has already compromised professional standards.

I work in motion pictures.
>"just fix it in post"
>"it's not like we're paying for film stock, just shoot it both ways"
>"we can't afford a skilled crew, but I know a few film students who would help it for 100/day"

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>>1009927

Ahh, you're another one of those jaded folks who were pissed that the predictions from the 1960s didn't come true. No wonder your outlook on automation is so bleak.

>>1009734
My job is to automate other dev-ops jobs.

Not single person has come up with a solution to this problem... how will we get paid if we have no job?

Before you scream "SOCIALISM!!!" consider that this time around it might be necessary.

>>1010145
That fixes the problem of jobless hordes rioting in the streets and starving in droves, but it'd be a nightmare if we messed up the execution.

Even if the rapture of the nerds happened, there'd still be a small class of technocrats charged with keeping the lights on. Best hope they don't get tired of playing civil servant to billions of unpublishable novelists, full time surfers, dog house decorators, and handicraft preservationists.

>>1010145
We won't lol.
Fed will just let the middle class die.

>>1009789
In the 50s they thought we'd be living on the moon by the 70s. I'll believe it when I see it.

>>1010191
This.

People used to think in the year 2000 we would have robots and no would need to work anymore.

>>1009734

In my life time?

Yes.

After my life time?

They'll probably have some first aid able androids

>>1009734
Jobs are for peasants. Build an empire or gtfo. We need to push the boomers and other old cunts out of the money.

>>1009734
>financial risk consulting
probably? they tried automating us and relying on ratings agencies in '05 and we all saw how that turned out lel. business has been booming since.

>>1010207
ya. fuck working. just be rich. lets all just get rich without jobs because old people n' shit.

pass me the vape

>>1009734
pipefitting

for the next 30 years till retirement? yes
forever? probably not

>>1010145
>problem
what problem? looks like progress to me

Nuclear equipment sales. Unless automation can negotiate and network I'll be alright.

>>1010232

>A whole bunch of unemployed people who will undoubtedly register to vote and vote in liberal policymakers and politicians, who will vote for policies that raise taxes on you

That's the best possible outcome of reducing job availability.

>>1010228
Did you not read what I typed? Being an entrepreneur requires way more work, but it's also far more rewarding.

>>1010241
Well duh, how else will they pay me for the work i stole? As long as my income grows faster than the tax rate, we cool

>>1010244
>Jobs are for peasants. Build an empire or gtfo. We need to push the boomers and other old cunts out of the money.

Did YOU read what you typed?

pass me the vape bro

>>1010100
>throughly

>>1010111
>you've almost certainly talked to a machine and you would never even realize the difference.

ha

>>1010263
>you

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>>1010057
>Bank teller

lol, the only reason why tellers were still around after ATMs is because computers for all those decades couldn't interpret human language. But that's all now starting to change.

lol you'll be a NEET just like the rest of us soon.

>>1009927
OH MAN IN THE YEAR 2000 WE'RE GONNA HAVE MACHINES DO ALL OUR LONG DISTANCE TRAVEL FOR US AND NO ONE WILL HAVE A HORSE ANYMORE

>>1010193
That's because technology took a different direction. In the 50s and 70s, nobody could even fathom what we have today in terms of computers.

>>1010193
>People used to think in the year 2000 we would have robots and no would need to work anymore.

That's because people in the 50s & 60s were fucking retarded when it came to predictions. Flying cars by 2000? How and with what technology? They just spewed out nonsense on technology that never existed.

Today however it's different, most if not all the predictions are generally within the 10-15 year mark, beyond that it's not worth paying attention to.

Robotic automation? Already happening because the tech is already here in use.

>>1009760
That deep in the red it Sounds like your going under before the robots are even ready.

>>1010140
>Ahh, you're another one of those jaded folks who were pissed that the predictions from the 1960s didn't come true. No wonder your outlook on automation is so bleak.

I don't think it's bleak, it's just too early to say. Making conclusions that "in the next 10 years 90% of people will be unemployed and we need a drastic change in the economic system" is ridiculous. It's nowhere near that stage.

the problem with this is--robots don't consume

who's going to buy all this robot made stuff?

>>1009734
D2D Sales, so no

>>1009734
Considering I'm a database developer, I highly doubt it.

Someone's gotta program the charts for your lazy asses to scroll through

>>1009985
this

Strong AI is a pipedream at this point in time. So stop worrying about robots taking over your medicine jobs. On the other hand about 47% of jobs will go, and a lot of others will change drastically. This will be due to automation, computerization, AI and machine learning. However there will be no strong AI/intelligent machines.

read this crap

THE FUTURE OF EMPLOYMENT: HOW
SUSCEPTIBLE ARE JOBS TO
COMPUTERISATION?

http://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/downloads/academic/The_Future_of_Employment.pdf

>>1009734
Seeing as my job is in human health, and humans have still not figured out a way to pluck their brains out and put them in robot bodies, I believe I will be just fine for the next 10,000 years minimum.

Actually even you pluck your brain out your body you'll still be vulnerable to Alzheimers and other shit brain disorders. In addition that whole machine body and biological brain communication is gonna need some brain scientists to work on it.

Essentially I'm bulletproof.

>>1009734
I'm going to be in charge of writing programs that automate your job. I'll probably be fine for a while.

>>1010929
>he thinks he will not be deprecated as pakis do your job for half the wage
Kek

>>1010111
Accounting as most people think of it is already automated - there are veryfew qualified accountants who work in "traditional" roles like tax. Most are a combination of salesmen and consultants, analysts, paper pushers and a few other things in the mix - the field of professional accounting is not likely to be automated any further than what it already is, since most of it is human to human interaction or intuition, and these are not things a robot can yet replicate. Even low fields like audit are safe, mostly due to legal protection, but still safe.

>>1010057
this>>1010270
Since the local Chase put in those new advanced ATMs three months ago I haven't so much as even looked at a teller

I'm a lobbyist, so I guess so

>>1009789
>10-15 years
I remember in 2000 they said everyone would be able to buy a flying car by 2010. It takes a lot longer for society to advance than you think

Some aspects. Funeral director/embalmer here. Some of the logistics involving the planning and preparation for funerals may be automated eventually. Services themselves couldn't realistically be carried out by a robot/machine. Embalming requires too much of a fine touch/improvisational ability, so no. Though embalming is on the decline anyway, so if automation doesn't take it down, societal trends will.

Artificial Intelligencemajor? Why yes, my major is safe friends. Be ready :^)

>>1010057
Bank tellers is a pretty dead profession in some countries though.

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>>1010990

I remember last year they said we would have flying cars by this year.

I get the feeling Donald Trump and Hilary Clinton will face off next year, and people will feel they have no choice but to vote for Hilary.

When that happens America will essentially become a complete socialistic nation and in time she'll probably enact a basic universal income for people. I can't really imagine Republicans doing this ever.

>>1009734
I'm one of the people who automate other people's jobs, so yeah

>>1010936
I've worked with those pakis. More scared of the heat death of the universe than them taking over my job, desu senpai.

>>1011416
It's all marketing with shitty code.

>>1011303
You know universal income is for right winger?
For some reason the righter you are, the higher you put the universal income.

I guess it's because if you cut off all social welfare for that, it's really cheaper.
In my country we have 430 billion euros expense for social welfare. With 1000 euros by person, it would be set to 70 billion and that's all. You could even double that.

>>1009762
>With AI that is pure intelligence humanity would go towards a more rational, efficient direction... not this greedy, emotional capitilistc shithole.
I very much doubt real AI would have hippie values. It would most likely just eradicate humanity, since rationality and efficiency aren't traditionally human traits.

>For simpletons compared to hardware we use today, quantum computing allows more operations than there are things in the world, mathematical power is amazing.
>for simpletons
>says the guy who thinks AI isn't a massive threat to our species

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Is your job safe from the impending death of our star and the resulting, catastrophic explosion that will engulf most of our solar system?

>>1010260
I don't vape, in fact I make a shitload more than the average corporate peasant does. Only top executives really do better. Learn advanced mathematics and statistics and create your own trading strategy. At least that was the path of least resistance I found.

>>1011303
Hillary is so beatable. I know how you feel but damn man, she's filthier than Filthy Frank and hate Trump for racism but he doesn't have half the real world dirty shit she does. I would bet on Trump desu.

>>1009734
nope

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Automation is the reason why I'm going to leave Germany after my master's degree. Politicians here can only think about the next two years but they can't look into the future. They talk about population declining because we Germans are not reproducing enough. That is why it is great to bring in millions of refugees because they can do all the easy jobs. Germany's future is going to be very dark once automation will do all easy jobs and they have to feed millions of unemployed people.

>>1011530
Some of those unskilled jobs are the hardest to automate. Tedious handwork like cleaning a facility top to bottom, picking produce, segmenting animal carcasses, customer service, and so on is pretty difficult to break down into simple processes.

Whereas doing something seemingly complex and highly skilled (like legal research) might be done much, much better by a well designed search algo, with a couple legal partners doing the work that used to require a whole floor of people with six years of higher ed.

Human resources guy here.

According to this list, >>1010357 my job is pretty safe. Yes, administering legal paperwork, calculating payment rolls, and applying psychological tests will be easily automatized, but creating profiles, doing the actual research, doing the interviews, and designing and applying the entire psychometry isn't, and that's what I do.

My job is pretty safe.

>>1012653

Die

>>1011467
http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html

This is a great article which discusses that exact scenario.
Read both parts if you can.

>>1012056
>>1012056
Wait for a decade, all of what you said will be made automated.

Come back in 2025 or 2026 and say the same, it's not far away, just like 1999 was not far away from 2015-2016

>>1012729
By that time all CS jobs will be automated too.

>>1012653

>creating profiles, doing the actual research, doing the interviews, and designing and applying the entire psychometry isn't, and that's what I do.

You mean hiring people, that are retards, but have faces you like is hard? Asking questions like "Tell my why you applied" or "Where do you see yourself in 10 years" is fucking hard? Your fucking job might not be automatable, but it is so fucking retarded, that every fucking cunt with Downs syndrome could do it. Faggots like you should be put to death.

>>1009734
No, but then again my company wouldn't want to automate my position just yet because of throughput requirements. I figure I have another 10 years in my current role before I need to seriously start thinking about a new line of work.

>>1009734
>tfw NEET

Can robots be NEETs?

Yes, because I am in the field creating the automation.

>>1010362
so are you a useful health worker or some bullshit like a nutritionist?

>>1010977
>Lobbyist
Kill yourself please.

>>1012819
useful health worker

nutritionists are supposed to be useful too, but for some reason dont know anything about anything and are allowed to give people advice on their nutrition, a critical aspect of health

shit is retarded

>>1009734
>i should be configuring servers, but I daily respond to tickets of people who are too stupid to read manuals
>i am irreplaceable by computer because of idiots

>>1009734
robotics engineer, I am the automation

>>1010144
Me too. My goal has always been to automate myself out of a job. I've succeeded a couple times. Not that I always tell my employer that right away.

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>>1012757

You know? And I get paid for that, while people like you can't do a shit, but rage and whine like your average tumblrite. God, I love my job.

Automate the jobs, distribute the end product evenly to all people. We can spend our days in leisure forever.

yiss.
i work as creative in an advertising agency.

creative jobs in general are far away from automation i think.

>>1009734
IT SOX Compliance

As long as the PCAOB can keep up the bullshit about how IT controls are critical for organizations I don't see my job being automated.

Creative field. Orchestral conductor. It's more likely that my customers die from old age than my job ever being automated. 90% of my customer base is old cunts, the other 10% are failed musicians whose parents give them money and other hipster NEET scum.

>>1009734
Cop, so yes. Will never be automated.

>>1012928
high fluctuation ?

you tell me

electronics engineer

>>1013001
>Cop never be automated
>has clearly never seen Robocop

I service the machines that put printing presses and type writers into the Stone Age. I'm sure once we have machines that fix machines (if this isn't already a thing) I won't be worried about having a job anymore

>>1012780
Yes and most are.

>>1009734
I was thinking about it the other day. One industry that can easily be retrofitted with automation are supermarket delis. The fucks at my local Publix are always off with the weight and everyone wants to get their shit at the same time. I think it should be coming soon.

>>1013005
>
indian bot coming your way

I work in a warehouse.

It's the most easily automated job in the world.

Chew on this .... truck driver is the most common type of job in many states. Elon Musk lowered his estimate from 3 to 2 years when we start bringing driverless cars to the public. How long until truck driving jobs are gone?

I'd bet Walmart is already talking to Google on bringing their fleet driverless.

>>1014480
>talking to Google on

To Ford/Google

Google and Ford are going to partner on driverless vehicles

Major announcement few daysa ago

>>1014483
Yeah I saw that, I just don't know if Ford would make a semi.

>>1014471
here's a question
what's going to happen when asians start pushing for higher wages? are they still going to take incompetent foreigners with poor english at only slightly lower cost, before all of the h1b bullshit has to be gone through?

>>1009789
People will fight automation. It seems counter intuitive but when it comes to their job it will matter. Sometimes lawyers can be more powerful than the possibility of a more automated future.

>>1009734
well considering i intend to be working with the creation of machines and systems, including the ones used to automate other jobs, then i suppose yes, at least for the time being.

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>>1014624

I think it was at the dawn of the 20th century roughly 70% of people were farmers.

Today that number hovers around 2%.

I honestly can't wait till the day i'll no longer have to work and just have hobbies and free time to do as I please. I support the idea of a basic universal income.

>>1009734

>tfw NEET
>tfw safest of all jobs from automation

Get on my level normieplebs.

>helicopter pilot

Aviation will eventually all be remotely operated but that not until they can get latency down to video game speed or they have AI intellgient enough to operate complicated aircraft through simple orders. In other words, I'm good for 30 years. My kids might have to stick to recreational flying.

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HAHAHA as always STEM master race wins again.

Enjoy getting automated law fags, finance fags, accounting fags, real estate fags, truck driving fags, etc. all of you are faggots with no intelligence and deserve to be taken over by robots useless swine haha

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getting automated means more free time. i wouldnt mind

I automate business processes for a living. So yes, fairly safe from automation. Can't say the same for the offices full of glorified clerks making $50k a year that I am getting rid of.

>>1010952

You would be surprised by how antiquated many companies still are. There are fortune 500 companies that are still stamping invoices and cutting paper checks.

>>1015155
filename kek

>>1009734
I'm an automation/robotics engineer. So I fucking hope so or we are facing the end of humanity.

>>1015540

How does one get involved in this industry?

My job in broking is already automating. But the sad fact is computer geeks are notoriously retarded when it comes to stock markets.