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Are we going to make it before the definitive crypto-crash?
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Me: Yes
You: No

>we
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>>2705520
Nice just bought 100k!
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>>2705523
dat tag

what trades are you in oh mighty pro

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Thoughts about Monero?
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if it starts with an x it must be the best
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why would i ever use monero over zcash?
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Still haven't recovered from their fake news disaster, not interested.

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I started reading about crypto two weeks ago, literally what the fuck happened to this coin lmao
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nothing really.

it accumulated slowly and then a discord group got into it and started shilling it hard and days before the T4i CitiBank challenge it went up to 2.5K sats and as soon as it was announced that they didn't win they all just dumped and made it look like a bad coin

not going to lie bough I dumped about 3MM at 2.3K but I'm keeping 7MM that I've been holding since 150-190 sats cause I'll kill myself if this coin moons

in reality it's got some decent tech and it's still the only gaming crypto which started getting accepted by some merchants so I guess time will find out but better safe than sorry

reading all the shit about people buying pizzas and just buying stupid shit with bitcoin and ETH when it was dirt cheap just makes ya think
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81 billion coins in total. it's ceiling is 1 dollar a coin and it will take bitcoin adopting segwit and becoming a global currency to reach that.
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>>2705562
8* billion.

Could easily reach Ripple's market cap. Whales are accumulating the shit out of it for cheap now thanks to the paid autistic FUD going around

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I've been around for a while before all these cryptofags came along but one of the things that I like to do is go into discord groups for shitcoins warn people (no one really ever listens) about upcoming dumps so beware that 4CHN is going to go the shitter soon
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>>2705499
When was it not in the shitter?
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>>2705499
ty for that gif.
I traded it for this one
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>>2705510
newfags are buying into the scam

I'm just trying to help before they get royally fucked and loss their hard earned money by these pajeets

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Wow, just look at this fabulous coin!

Watch it pump and pump!

Jump on in, top volume here we come!
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you cannot stop our meme 4CHN


I, DURGA GIYANSH AM DIRST IN LINE YOU MUST GO BACK INTO LINE AND WAIT FOR YOUR TURN TO SCAM
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>>2705462

Fuq u bish
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I want this shit to be worth a dollar so one day I can go into the most liberal shit hole, hipster coffee shop, order some over priced weak grass tasting cup of jo and pay the cunts with Mother Fucking Pepe coin ;P

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Wtf guys when do i start buying litecoin, it's been in the steady 50's but anons told me to wait till it get At least under 42 is this true or will i end up killing myself later
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>when do i start buying litecoin
last week
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>>2705468
this
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>>2705468
so should i admit defeat and buy now before it gets steadily higher ?

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Rollout of 260,000+ Bitcoin-Accepting Stores in Japan

BUY BUY BUY!

https://news.bitcoin.com/rollout-of-260000-bitcoin-accepting-stores-in-japan-begins/
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Bump
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you just have to wait an hour for your transaction to be mined and pay 3 dollars in fee
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>>2705503
i'm curious and wanna watch it
but it's china so i expect gore
is this correct?

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For starters, I recommend the former threads, as many basic questions were already answered there:
(Beginner threads with basics)
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>>2494169
>>2513020
>>2544572

(How to find good coins)
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>>2653637

Today, I wanted to talk about P&Ds.
How to detect them, why they are bad and why the big gains they promise are a lot of bullshit.

Everyone who got into cryptos know about “pumps and dumps”. Everyone here on /biz/ is aware of this practice – most stay away from it, some still try it, almost all participants lose by using them and only the organizers are guaranteed to profit from them. But let us stay away from the term “organizers”, let’s call them what they are: dirty scammers who only want your best: your money.

In regulated markets, P&Ds are highly illegal and can get you into jail for a couple of years as well as have your gains from these trades seized by the government. On top of that you may also liable to pay for the damages you caused. The attempt itself is prosecutable in many countries, regardless if you succeed or not – worst case you need to face an investigation, best case you need to look out for another bank, as your old bank closed your account due to the amount of dubious transactions.

However, let’s stop talking about stock markets here, as most of us are not interested into stocks anyways. Cryptos are not regulated, therefore the laws of most countries are not applicable to P&D-schemes. So are they legal in cryptos? For now, this seems to be the case, yes.

PART 1/5
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But for it to become illegal, the market does not always need to be regulated – in some countries, they (in theory) only need to be recognized as financial instruments to fall under the market abuse regulation from 2014, which may be introduced into national law in the foreseeable future. This may be not probable tomorrow, but it is well possible that this matter will get solved in the next couple of years, as the polish ministry of finance already declared that bitcoin could very well be a financial instrument in the same year. Also, south Korea is pushing towards regulating bitcoin. All signs signal that cryptos will get regulated one way or another and it will do the industry only good, as we see less p&d-scams as well as the money inflow of the general population, who is desperate to find new ways to invest money in a time, where interest rates are low.

Let’s move on how they work and why you – the average trader – will never see the big gains from such actions. Let’s start from the beginning.

You trade like you always do: maybe during watching something on Netflix, lurking on 4chan, fap to porn or just because you are bored. Suddenly someone on twitter shares a telegram group which is called “p&d masters”. You join just because you’ve got nothing else to do and see a “signal” in the next hour, promising about 300% gains which might be very much look like this:

“Pump signal countdown: 1 hour.
Don’t miss out – we are going to pump it to at least by 300%!
We are still looking for a professional in TA and one in C++ to get stuff done.
Send applications to [email protected] if you want to enter the team!”
Are you interested? Yeah, who would not be? Tripling your money always sounds good. Why not try it with 50$? They even seem to work intense on this stuff, as they even look out to expand their team with professionals. You decide to try it and liquidate some BTC on bittrex to participate and wait for “the signal”.

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One hour later, you get “the signal” which might look a bit like this:

“We pump PEPEcoin!
Entry is at 100k, target is 400k, this is 400% gain!!!!
REMOVE SELLWALLS, otherwise the FOMO won’t get in!!!
Don’t dump on your friends from the group, buy and hold for at least an hour!!
Profit is guaranteed!! Don’t sell at a loss!!!”

You are at the market the moment the message is on your screen. You see it rising at a rapid rate and buy at 180k without looking at the chart or doing research, as the price is rising and would still yield a solid 222% gain if sold after the target. Great! And there is only a sellwall of 0.3 BTC! It goes down! But another one appeared, only some satoshi higher which is also eaten a minute later! This is madness! Another one of 2 BTC which appeared only moments later also was eaten in only seconds! You are pumped and wait for it to go higher and higher, so you don’t miss out your gains. The pump will go for another hour, so it will go higher anyways, right?

Wrong. You better get rid of these bags in the next 10 minutes for a small gain or small loss or you are bound to hold these bags till the end of time. Because after the pump, the price will only go one way: down. Not upwards, not sideways – down.

Frustrated, you sell one hour later at 150k with a loss of about 17% and ask yourself, what you did wrong. Were you too late? Was your clock late? Your connection too slow? Your reaction too sluggish?
Nothing went wrong from the technical side and you weren’t too slow. But you mistook yourself as a participant in a game with good winning chances, while the winner has already been chosen, long before the game itself started.
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Because you have been conned. The scammers who run the telegram group used several things to make you the cow they milked:

a) They produce FOMO by talking about generating FOMO
The statement “Remove sellwalls otherwise FOMO won’t get in” generates FOMO – not for the people outside of the group, but for the ones inside. PEPEcoin is most likely a coin nobody watches. It is small, not recognized by the public. Nobody cares if it triples its value, as most people know that it is a P&D if it behaves this way. It won’t attract anyone but these messages only rallies up the people inside of the group to buy. The pump lasts “one hour”, it is simply impossible to generate enough substantial hype about a barely known coin without any news in one hour. Even with news, one hour is very short – without any, there will be no FOMO at all.

b) They call a lower entry point than there is in reality
Remember “100k” entry point? Then why was it at 180k already when you bought in only moments later? Were you too late? No. Because if you consider the history of PEPEcoin, you will see that its lowest price in the last 24 hours maybe indeed was around 100k. But most likely it was already at around 140k when the message was posted on telegram. Suddenly, an ambitious 400% are down to about 250%. If you think “still good”: read further.

c) The target is overestimated
It does not matter if 400k is reached or not. It only needs to sound good. If you complain that it was only at 220k or something like that, they will tell you: “hey, we cannot promise anything – and you still got 120% if you bought at the entry point!”. They will always push the fault on your side. You were too slow, too greedy, the market was not like they expected, it was still profitable etc.

PART 4/5

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Why are DGB whales accumulating more DGB?
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>>2705338
because 4CHN devs keep selling at 8K and know that their coin isn't real so they need to improvise with other coins
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Because it can't go lower...

Right?
right?
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>>2705338
They are not you fucking faggot.

DGB is the shittiest coin of them all.

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BUY 4CHN NOW SHIT IS ABOUT TO MOON AGAIN

BE RICH NOW OR BROKE FOREVER
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>>2705333
>investing in anything with 4chan in the name

Its Independence Day. I would rather invest my money in explosives. At least I get a pretty light show while my money burns.
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Can i choose to be broke forever?
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I would rather burn my money than use it to enrich a scammer.

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Holy shit, look at those whales on Bittrex
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buying or selling?
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theyre keeping the prices low.. those bastards
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50~ btc sellwall got eaten

buy or sell?

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KiDS going to moon on yobit?

Been holding heavy bags since the last pump n dump last month. The volume is up by a lot and buy orders are coming in. I suggest you buy at 1 sats or 2 sats max. Don't be a bag holder like me. Will be happy to let me bags on at 5 sats.
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>>2705268
I chuckle each time I see this logo in the crypto context.
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I can't believe people actually fell for this
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>>2705268
Why don't you have a seat over there...

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They are running a month long contest for the BEST BITBEAN MEME.

NO holds Barred, Give us your best meme and get Paid!

To enter all you need to do is:

Post your entry below
Up vote the post

Use this link:

https://steemit.com/giveaway/@official-bitbean/10k-bitbean-meme-give-away-post-your-best-bitbean-meme
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Typical 4chan, when threads start with a fake story about someone who is giving away coins for free you will immediately see 6504000 adresses.

When you have to do a minimum amount of work to earn coins.. nothing.

lol
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20 dollars for a meme sounds pretty good

Thanks op
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>>2705265
Nice just bought 100k!

They're beginning to rebound, But I think it's in for a collapse once people realize how useless they are. The only coins with some future seem to be btc/ltc and maybe eth
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If you ever have to sit and think "Does this service really need it's own token?" Then it is a shitcoin.
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yup time to GTFO
gamble on some long term hodls and put the majority in bitcoin
als LTC is a useless shitcoin too, but its your money
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>>2705260
implying SNGLS isnt solid, normie friendly and likely to take off once it gets one (1) main stream artist supporting it (which they will when they realize the economical advantages)

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Who should i vote in ark for folding?
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"biz_classic" once we hit 2m ARK the plan is to split the votes for max reward.
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biz_classic is the way to go. People in charge of it seem to have their shit together and are trying their best to automate the whole process. Also like the other anon said if they make enough they'll split to double gains as long as it's viable
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i have my vote for it but it doesn't seem to be going through, how do i know? the red checkmark is in biz_classic but im not sure how to confirm it.

i was in the old group since day one but only just learned now that that was a scam.

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