When did you outgrow atheism, /b/?

>>744190902

Not long after college, after it stopped being the "it" thing you were expected to embrace if you were intellectual

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>>744190902
I've moved on to pure apathy

Agnostic

Age 25 or 26.

>>744191568
Same

I still believe what i believe, or dont, as it were. If youre talking about being an insufferable cunt, then fortunately i was never that sort of atheist.

3rd grade. On school bus to school. Mormon, catholic, Christian girls said I will go to hell because I don't share their views. Only thing I understood is everyone is going to hell because we all have different views.

When did theists start getting trips?

>>744191568
>everyone's an idiot but me
At least atheists have the spine to take an actual stance.

>>744190902
When I learned that logic and reason have no place in our society. What has science ever done for us?

>>744192210
so do Christians

>>744191568
>>744191634
Reminder that you can be both an atheist and an agnostic.

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>>744190902
>When did you outgrow atheism, /b/?

What time is it now?

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>>744190902
>When did you outgrow atheism, /b/?

Ever wear your pants backwards?

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>>744192108

nobody gets trips. Trips are a myth

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>>744190902

You like ketchup?

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>>744190902

What does "retard" mean to you?

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>>744190902
>When did you outgrow atheism, /b/?

Got any gum?

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>>744190902
>When did you outgrow atheism, /b/?

You like that "Disco Duck" song?

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>>744190902
>When did you outgrow atheism, /b/?

Do you ever feel ... funny?

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>>744190902
>When did you outgrow atheism, /b/?

How do I cook zucchini?

>>744191568
in other words, you're an atheist, but too much of a pussy to admit it in our society full of religious people
sure, there might be an invisible leprechaun living in your closet, but there's no way to be sure either way
are you agnostic about that as well?

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Atheism is not an active belief system. It is just part of the normal growth and evolutionarily process of Homo sapiens.

If we survive as a species on this planet we will mature past the need to create magical sky men to explain things we don't yet understand.

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>When did you outgrow atheism, /b/?

Ever see yourself naked?

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>When did you outgrow atheism, /b/?

Can I borrow $5?

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>When did you outgrow atheism, /b/?

How are your tomatoes?

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>>744190902
i am agnostic always have been

When I became a muslim

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>When did you outgrow atheism, /b/?

Waiting on the "End Times"?

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>When did you outgrow atheism, /b/?

You wear a hat?

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>>744192368
>Reminder that you can be both retarded and not.
wew

>>744190902
A few years ago a I became pastafarian. Best decision in my life, I still enjoy my beer and strippers on Fridays.

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>When did you outgrow atheism, /b/?

Ever bang a Jewish chick?

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>When did you outgrow atheism, /b/?

Views on Pastafarianism?

>>744192515
Not him, but that's a load of projection there. Einstein himself was an agnostic. The truth is no one really knows how it all started hence why it's all theories. Whatever energy that may be that's all overwhelming to the human mind it's not so far fetch to name it God whether you like it or not for scientific reason or theological. It's just a word.

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>When did you outgrow atheism, /b/?

Do you shave your pubes, Bubba?

>>744192648
so hows it feel to worship a pedophile faggot

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>When did you outgrow atheism, /b/?

Ever gotten laid?

>>744192694
Nope.

Agnosticism is not knowing whether or not there are any gods.
Atheism is not believing there are any gods.
Most atheists are agnostics and vice-versa.

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>When did you outgrow atheism, /b/?

You like guacamole?

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>When did you outgrow atheism, /b/?

I dig your style, man. Far out.

>>744192515
Wow man so impressive and brave that you dared calling yourself an atheist.

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>When did you outgrow atheism, /b/?

Are there any niggers where you live?

>>744192080

So were you autistically proclaiming your atheism to them or?

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>>744190902
I never really became atheistic.
At one point i had heavy doubt, since then i decided to use the brain God gave me and realised a fundemental truth about reality: Something does not come from nothing, and order does not come from chaos without intervention.

>>744192515
*tips*

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>When did you outgrow atheism, /b/?

A dingo stole my baby! Will you help me find it?

>>744190902
You don't outgrow atheism. The only time you "leave" it, it's because you're terrified. Of dying, of being alone. Not because you "grew up".

You don't outgrow rational and logical thought. You grow into it. Or at least, you're supposed to.

So the real question is, when will you stop believing in imaginary friends, under the guise of religion?

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>When did you outgrow atheism, /b/?

Everybody wang chung tonight

>>744192847
it's only brave if you live in the middle east or other shit places like that

>>744190902
Take psychedelics

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>When did you outgrow atheism, /b/?

Do you think God looks like a Kewpie doll?

>>744190902
14-ish

Nihilism 3years ago

>>744192955
ayy lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7KxuDYfpSQ

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>>744192990
>psychedelics

Indeed.

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>>744190902
heresy
not even once

I stopped being an atheist after I became an Ancient Astronaut Theorist.

Aliens make much more sense than there being a God or there not being one. I mean I guess I still don't think there's a God in the traditional sense of an all powerful magic man, but probably some entity out there thats so technologically advanced they would appear to us even now as a "God".

So, aliens man

>>744192847
Atheists are more hated than muslims in the US.

>>744190902
I don't know if its real
It can't be proven
It already gave me enough headache
I'm not atheist, agnostic or believer
I just don't care anymore
I go to church because of my family and generally good community

>>744192897
>something does not come from nothing
Can you give an example of nothing?
>order does not come from chaos without intervention
Hint: the earth is not a closed system.

>>744192751
we don't know why the universe began, but its pretty disingenuous to jump from that lack of knowledge to "it was created by a bearded man in the sky who hates faggots and watches you masturbate"
if you don't know, just say you don't know
there's no reason to use a loaded term like "God" to describe your lack of knowledge

>>744190902
When I needed to start blaming someone else for my problems

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>>744192994
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>>744192994
what a pathetic spammer, commit you fucking pussy, only 240 more posts till autosage

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Atheism is a joke.You needs more faith than religious people.

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>>744193229
>It can't be proven
Check mate, atheists.

>>744192897
therefore, our world must have been created by the specific magical creature described by some sand people thousands of years ago

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>>744192816
>Atheism is not believing there are any gods.
Always this argument.
Let me make something clear for you, bucko:

Not taking a stance on something, or doubting something, is not the same thing as taking a stance on something. Atheism is a definite stance that there are no Gods, functionally a belief that there are no gods. Agnosticism is not taking a stance, because one cannot know, in other words not coming to a conclusion.

Atheism is a belief in the fact that it requires making a conclusion from incomplete evidence. Theism is likewise, but inverse to Atheism.

So don't pull that "atheism is lack of belief" bullshit on me. I know positivist claims when i see them.

>>744193281
God is a universal term. It is the most powerful word whether you like it or not, it would be a waste to not use it for something that may be the kick start of it all. To be so butthurt over the word just shows how immature you are. It's still used in almost everything today as an ultimatum. "Godlike" etc.

>>744193588
More posters would take you seriously if you wernt avatar-fagging even more so with a shit anime

>>744192983
atheists are one of the most hated and distrusted groups in america
most people here think you're morally bankrupt unless you believe in a magical sky man without evidence

>>744193229
Believe the term for that is "apatheist"

>>744193588
> Atheism is a definite stance that there are no Gods,
False.
>functionally a belief that there are no gods.
You live your life as though there aren't, sure.
>Agnosticism is not taking a stance, because one cannot know, in other words not coming to a conclusion.
Like I said, agnosticism is not knowing. You also either believe or don't believe.
>Atheism is a belief in the fact that it requires making a conclusion from incomplete evidence
False.
>So don't pull that "atheism is lack of belief" bullshit on me.
It's correct though. An atheist can believe that there are no gods, but it is not necessary in order to be an atheist.
> I know positivist claims when i see them.
Claim: I believe there are no gods.
Not a claim: I don't believe there are gods.

>>744190902
>image name = obvious bait
>fedoras fall for it regardless
my sides

>>744193588
if you're trying to imply that the claim there isn't a god is as valid as the claim there isn't a god, you must also accept that the claim that dragons/fairies/zeus/etc. don't exist as opposed to the claim they do are both equally valid, which we both know is rather silly.

>>744193715
don't know what part of the US you live in but everywhere i have been your statement just doesn't hold up

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im logtismo

>>744193774
Sorry I'm slofag

>>744193281
The problem with that arguement is that most people will actively refuse to admit that they don't know something, and will lie to cover up that ignorance. You can see this time and time again. Especially with close friends, where you can immediately spot the lie.

A lie is easier than admitting ignorance.

>>744193588
Well, specifically Atheism is that based on current evidence there is no other conclusion than "there are no gods, deities or any other form of divine beings"

>>744193715
Atheists are distrusted for a reason because they are morally bankrupt. Most atheists are nihilists and immoral. Most are even psychopaths, no fear of anything. Would stab you in the back since nothing matters.

>>744193715
And the real irony is that most atheists and agnostics are actually MUCH more moral than most theists.

>>744193825
Baiting is literally the entire point of this board you moron. Everybody knows it's bait, it's just that nobody cares.

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>>744192520
Communism is not an active belief system. It is just part of the normal growth and evolutionarily process of Homo sapiens.

If we survive as a species on this planet we will mature past the need to use capitalism to pay for things things we need.

It's inevitable, goys

>>744192515

You must be a real pioneer Kek.

>>744193980
ROFLMAO

What about christians? because that's LITERALLY what you just described.

Joel Osteen for example. Or any other megachurch (Including catholicism)

>>744194038
The only socialism that will work is ethnosocialism.

>>744193715
Well, one, I'm a Christian (Catholic, mind you) and can say with confidence that we DON'T believe in a "magical sky man", because that's just not what God is. I won't go into the gritty details because I don't want this to become a tirade, but the number one mistake I see atheists make is the assumption that God is a "being" in any sense.

Second, that's the evangelicals, we don't talk about them. I have no problem with atheists. You do you, fambo.

>>744193980
to the contrary, atheists realize that we only have one life to live, and act accordingly

>>744192515

>being this upset
>being this embarrassing

You must be someone who fucks fedoras.

>>744190902
nice bait.

religion is the cancer killing humanity.

>>744194038
>It's inevitable, goys
Go suck Karl's dick elsewhere.

>>744194115
We're not talking about individuals. We're talking about majorities and averages. An atheist is more likely to kill a person because he has no fear of God or be punished in an afterlife for committing such an act. Don't get emotional

>>744193825
I doubt many anons here are replying because of the OP, but rather because they enjoy arguing about religion, fedoras and christcucks alike.

That picture in the OP always grind my gears. It doesn't even answer or even hint at what the caricature of Dawkins was saying. They can't even seem smart in their own propaganda.

>>744194223
>religion is killing humanity
I agree, Atheism is killing humanity.

>>744191568
Don't be stupid.
You can't be an agnostic. There is no such Thing as an "agnostic".

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I don't believe in any superstitions or Gods. However, I don't like being labeled an Atheist. Not partaking in something doesn't really need a label just as I don't go around informing people that I am a non painter, non skier, non carpenter, etc.

>>744193999
trips of truth

>>744192642
Is this shopped?

>>744194119
because it worked so well for the germans and for mugabe didn't it?

>>744193165
only logical person in this thread

>>744193588

This. Dubs confirm

>>744194248
Then why are there far more theists in prison? And why have morals never stopped priests from diddling little boys?
I know this post is bait, but in case it's not- religion or lack of religion doesn't make a person any more or any less shitty.

>>744194416
because more people in the US are theists to begin with. if you want to talk about disproportionality in regards to prison populations lets talk about how minorities make up a majority in prison.

>>744193281

Atheists sound even stupider than christians when they open their mouths. God doesn't mean "a bearded man in the sky" you fucking retard. It has many different meanings. It can mean just a higher power in general which could be anything more intelligent than human beings. Why are atheists so uneducated? You're in the same group as muslims and christians with your black and white thinking

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>>744193165
Agreed

>>744194248
Statistically incorrect.

Also, with religion, you can murder, and you're good if you ask for forgiveness.

And more to the point, if you REQUIRE the threat of some imaginary punishment to do the right thing, you're not moral. You're just a chickshit immoral asshole, that hides behind religion as a justification for why they're better.

>>744191568
Theism/Atheism is a dichotomy. You are a theist or you are an atheist. All agnostics are also atheists or theists.

>>744194355
It is strange, but if around 8 out of every 10 people were painters, people passed laws based around the idea that people were painters, and people were killed for not painting, then there would probably be a word for that too.

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>>744193709
>More posters would take you seriously if you wernt avatar-fagging even more so with a shit anime
You think i'm taking this bait thread sriously? You autistic or something?

Watch the rest of the responses to my post. Atheists have the highest density of autists of any demographic.

>>744194314
How is Buddhism killing humanity?

>>744194371
nah man that jaden smith without the make up and CGI in the movies he's played they just don't want you to know

>>744194416
It's not bait it's common sense. Priest are literally on no fap for life that is why they are more likely to be inclined to molest and rape. To answer the prison situation is due to the fact there are more religious people to atheist ratio in America.

>>744193588
Bullshit.
Atheism is "Not taking part in the activity 'beliving in God'". Nothing more, nothing less.
Therefore there are no agnostics.

>>744194162
>Well, one, I'm a Christian (Catholic, mind you) and can say with confidence that we DON'T believe in a "magical sky man", because that's just not what God is. I won't go into the gritty details because I don't want this to become a tirade, but the number one mistake I see atheists make is the assumption that God is a "being" in any sense.

You just don't want to expand, because you know that you're full of shit and have no reasonable defense.

"God" is an entity or being, by just about every definition. By your own religion, he's part of, and the entirety of the holy trinity (father, son, holy spirit).

So, by your own admission, you have no ground to stand on.

>>744194651
Not to mention the world in general.

Only 16% of the world population is irreligious.

>>744194162
i'm genuinely curious what you think god is if not a "being"
the bible sure seems to describe god as a specific entity capable of manifesting himself as a human, and feeling human emotions such as pride, anger, and a desire for vengeance
if that's not a "being," what is it?
and don't mind the "magical sky man" comment. that's just me being a dick on the internet

>>744194552
Actually, even when you factor in disproportion, theists still make up far more. Atheists do not commit crimes like religious folk do, and all you need do is look at the most religious countries on earth against the most secular and see how religion almost direct coincides with crime and poverty- even though it's assumed that it's because empty and poor people with nothing to really be happy about turn to religion as a placebo.
Minorities and whites in prison are still almost ALL theists, so no.

>>744194374
Mugabe's race are unfortunately low IQ. Germans would succeed if Churchill left them alone. Ethnosocialism doesn't equate to war and genocide. That's such a false equivalency. Look at all the village people that living peacefully. They are technically in an ethnostate.

>>744194558
>It can mean just a higher power in general which could be anything more intelligent than human beings.

And you call atheists idiots ....

It's aliens. Whenever idiots don't have a good answer, it's always aliens.

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>>744190902

Right after reading "Short history of time", the part about subjective arrow of time.
The subjective arrow of time has no reasons or mechanisms behind it, but is the reason and foundation of all science and structured experience. If it's not transcendental I don't know what is.

Before that there were some hints in what I read about quantum physics and role of the observer, but those were so complicated I was not sure if God rolls dice after all

Then much later I learned about the Hard Problem
http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Hard_problem_of_consciousness

>>744194651
The point still stands that their faith did not stop them from buttfucking children, and even the higher-ups didn't do anything to expose it and they covered it up. I'm not saying their faith made them do it, I'm saying it didn't stop them from acting right. Religion and morality has nothing to do with each other.

>>744194647
>how is Buddhism killing humanity
Ask all the children who die in Buddha statue factories.

>>744190902
daily reminder that if you believe in God you are a fucking moron who will never contribute anything to society. this isn't bait, fuck religion. this shit was okay back in the fucking caveman days where everyone was retarded and they didn't know any better, this is 2017 grow the fuck up.

God is a higher moral value above all other law or idea. Very personal and guiding, also great photo op made me laugh pretty hard.

>>744194855
wow what a great argument, living in a modern society with internet, air con/heating, great tasting food, etc. or living in a shitty village. i love ethnic nationalism now

>>744193980
Shut the fuck up nigger.
Nihilism is not only about "huhskshzp nothing matter"
If nothing matter it doesnt matter to stab you at all.

>>744194789
non-Atheism <> Bible
Check out Pantheism, Monism and others. God can very well be to us what you are to you liver, and what your liver is to you liver cells.

>>744194651
The Ratio of atheists in Prison is even lower than the ratio of atheists in the population... at least in America.

>>744195015
At least, they die producing, not just being butt-fucked by a bunch of pedo-priests.

>>744195009
I never said there's an absolution. I'm saying more likely and tendencies. The scenarios are different too. Between an atheist and a priest, the atheist has more sexual freedom, but in terms of murder, the priest is way less likely to commit it. I believe priests and nuns should be allowed to be married and it will fix this situation.

>>744194740
>>744194789
"Not a being" as in God is incorporeal, not taking on any physically discernible form. He is an essence, a spirit, transcendent of our notions of reality and imperceptible to the senses.

>>744195150
but he wasn't talking about pantheism, etc
he was talking about christianity

>>744195048
Japan is an ethnostate.

>>744195037
>God is higher moral value
>Bible says all sins can be forgiven
>Man can be serial killer rapist
>Can pray for forgiveness
>Still gets into heaven
God has pretty good morals

>>744195087
Spoken like a true nihilist. I bet you're conflating existentialism with nihilism. This is why you're so frustrated.

>>744195266
>being worked to death is better than getting the dick
Wat.

>>744195048
Literally every county with 90%+ natives is an ethnostate.

>>744195402
and america, canada, the uk, russia, australia, nz, france, germany, italy etc. etc. etc. are not. im sure most african countries are ethnostates as well, but i don't see you pointing out that somalia is an ethnostate, because that wouldn't fit your bias.

>>744195272
So what you're saying is that religion or no religion has nothing to do with the propensity of a person to commit a crime? I'm glad you agree with me.

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if god doesn't exist then how do you explain this
checkmate atheist

>>744190902

>When did you outgrow atheism, /b/?

'round the same time we outgrew pornography
i.e. hasn't happened yet
not sure it's gonna happen

>>744195618
I'm saying it's more complex than that, but I'll trust a christian over an atheist.

>>744195291
Then he's not a physical being, but that doesn't make him not a being...
And incorporeal being, sure. As in a being without a physical form, except he/she/it decides to transubstantiate.

So, yes, god is still a being that people believe exists. Period. End for story.

You can continue to argue this point, but it shows that you don't fully grasp the concepts and ideas mandatory to make an informed decision.

So then again, believing in an imaginary friend is probably fine for you

>>744192897
> something does not come from nothing

Okay, so, it being bait aside, we're right back to the pic in the OP. Where did your god come from? SOMETHING had to make him.

And if you argue that he always was, I'll just argue that the universe and everything in it have always been as well. No god required.

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>>744190902
I wish people would make an attempt to understand the theory of evolution before dismissing it on an emotional basis.

>>744195608
I don't need to show the obvious. Now we dissect these countries and see the best ones are white and east asian asian. :)

>>744195684
Because a christian will lie to your face, but an atheist is more likely to be honest with you?

Yeah, that's a good reason...

>>744195684
It's not more complex than that because at the end of the day, religion isn't shown to make religious people any more moral than non-religious people- if I was greedy, I can argue that religious people are less moral, but I wont touch that.
That's a weak ass basis to trust someone over, but whatever floats your boat.

>>744195684
trusting someone who believes that
>the earth is 6000 years old
>people used to live to 500+
>the earth was flooded and 2 of each animal were on it, and from these animals the earth was repopulated
>a zombie jew was sent to save them
as opposed to someone who doesn't believe any of this rubbish

>>744195451
Exactly. Because God's purposes lie beyond mortal life. All he wants is a good soul in the output.
It's a hard a concept for many to perceive. Like that killer situation - you'd rather reject existence of higher morals and have your little pityful revenge on somebody.
You want to see a bad guy suffer so badly you don't even want to think about something beyond this pack-animal level of thinking.
This is the prison and the blindness.

>>744195781
Preach it, Anon!

>>744195813
so why not open up the borders for east asians? considering theyre higher iq it would probably be best for the nation

>>744192897
>something from nothing
Bitch have you ever heard of virtual particles. We already confirmed Higgs Boson particles.

Literally the definition of something from nothing.

Shit we can identify mass being spewed out of black holes because of virtual particles being created on the edge of an event horizon. Do you even read science?

>>744195647
But don't you also sometimes feel that porn is a big lie and we are missing something important in life?

>>744190902
ITT: People desperately tries to prove something that does not exist.
End up trying to construct a reality around them that conforms to their delusional train of thought.
Spends a wasted life on nothing...
Good luck with that heaven thing.

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>>744195781

>>744195890
>all he wants is a good soul in the output

Last time I checked, a person can live a good live and still burn forever in hell just because they didn't believe and worship him. You're talking rubbish.

>>744190902

no one knows wether there is a god or not. there is no evidence that god exists, and there is no evidence that god does not exist. some people belive in god, some people don't. and thats fine. shut up.

>>744195814
Because the christian will actually be less likely to kill me and leave me alone when shit goes down compared to an atheist who is much more individualistic and sees it as more rational to leave someone behind since no God is judging his actions. I can bet you those antifa rioters on the streets are majorly atheist.

>>744190902
>agnostics aren't superior to deists and atheists

>>744195972
Also check out Hawking radiation. Also check out this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmX1W5umC1c

>>744196023
just imagine, a christian unironically used an image and argument from south park, in which they mocked creationists for not understanding evolution, and tried to use this to mock those who accept evolution

>>744196061
and the white nationalists and neo nazis on the streets are christians
what's your point?
given any group X, some members of X are dicks

>>744196061
Where the fuck are you getting your information from? The prison system is filled with Christians. Would you rather your family and girlfriend go to the highest theistic place on earth or go to the highest secular place on earth to live for a year?

>>744195869
I judge people by their religions too. Each has objective morals. Christianity's morals is the very basis for western civilization. So I will trust those that still conserve it compared to the ones that want to abolish it.

>>744196061
this is faulty reasoning. More people have been killed in the name of god than anything else.

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You mean, when did I stop being Xtian? Aboute 12 years ago. The contradictions of the Bible and the religious communities throughout the world became more than enough to wake me up, and the continued hypocrisy of the hyper-religious itself keeps me away.

>>744196071
>being an atheist and claiming not to be one makes me superior somehow

>>744195890
There is no good soul in the output. The Killer had killed and raped and asked for forgiveness just to rinse and repeat. He did not care about human life because he got it in his mind that actions dont matter in this life because God would forgive him in the next life.

>>744196299
That false equivalency and and poor understanding of how averages and ratios work has already talked about ITT. Yet you still carry it on.

>>744196061
christians have proven to be so peaceful in the past havent they?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Verden
just a single example that you probably havent even heard of, plenty more to be found

>>744195291
>>744194740
>>744194789
>>744195685
Because God is physically imperceptible, there is no discernible way to prove or disprove his existence. The fact that you simply cannot perceive him is not grounds for dismissing his existence in entirety. Making an "informed decision" based on incomplete or absent evidence in favor or against is nigh impossible, so therefore neither can you. That's why it's called "faith".

I'm an Astrophysics student, I know how to make informed decisions, it's just that doing so is impossible regarding spirituality,

Also, anyone with half a brain realizes that the Old Testament is almost entirely metaphorical. We know God didn't create the earth in seven days, we know Adam wasn't the first man, we know that Leviticus is utter bullshite now.

>>744196196
I don't see those groups throwing urine and acid to anyone on the streets. They're only protecting the statues.

>>744196318
You sound like a daddy's boy who has never questioned anything in life. Your christian values supported slavery and genocide of millions for hundreds of years. People in the west are becoming better now because of religious oppression, even religious people. You seriously need to get out more if you actually think Christians are more trustworthy than atheists or anyone else on a whole.

>>744196039
Because "Live a good life" is not enough. It's like growing some plant - if a plant doesn't bother other plants it's less likely to be cut down.
But if it bears no fruit, the gardener rips it out.

Because it was planted to bear fruits and the gardener is way beyond understaning of what a plant would consider a "good life"

Vice versa it works for crooked plants that end up bearing fruit

I still lack a belief in God. I'm just not as vocal about it as I used to be.

I grew up, had other things to worry about. I'll still discuss for fun though. Because I still think the shit is wrong.

>>744196510
And running people over.

>>744196437
You still have yet to answer why theists are disproportionately more criminal than atheists all over the world.

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>>744196318
not really. western values don't encourage submissiveness, those of christianity do.
the west in great in spite of, not because of, christianity.

>>744196479
Congratulations on showing past wars and injecting it on the modern world. Get real. The biggest pieces of shit on the streets right now are atheists.

>>744196549
All bullshit. Your god's a cunt who good and kind people to hell because they didn't believe in bullshit and sucked his dick. Your mental gymnastics are cringworthy.

>>744196653
The world is majorly theist. Has already been said by some anon ITT.

>>744196318
which christian moral teachings are your favorite?
> if you hear a voice in your head telling you to kill your child, you should do it
> if people engage in sexual activities you disagree with, you should destroy their entire city
> if the leader of a nation does something wrong, you should kill the children of all the citizens for retribution

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ITT: fucking idiots don't know what being an agnost is you can be an agnost about unicorns the tooth fairy rainbows sand your mum and your dad at the same time and most of all you can be an agnost about fucking anything just because you're an agnost doesn't mean that you're not an atheist, holy fucking shit people in this thread are cancer dumb.

>>744196691
congratulations on disregarding the very real and negative impact christianity has had on the world. saying it happened in the past so therefore it isnt relevant isnt an argument

>>744196644
One guy.

>>744196002

>But don't you also sometimes feel that porn is a big lie and we are missing something important in life?

Absolutely.

Child porn is notably missing.

>>744196415
> just to rinse and repeat

Then it's not a good soul, duh. Try reading the Bible

>>744196829
word

>>744190902
When I decided to be a nihilist

>>744192210
do i have a cat?

>>744196547
Sounds like projection and stuck up in teen angst phase. Everyone went through an atheist phase, deary.

>>744196061

Christians are - statistically proven - more likely to kill you.
They have a whole set of reasons atheists haven't ('He believed the wrong thing'/ 'God told me to kill all nonbelievers' etc.), and they have a simple way out ('If i repent, god will forgive me').

>>744196796
I assume you know what the word "disproportionate" means, don't you? Not to mention the highest standards of living and the most safe societies are more secular than not. It's not something you can answer because you're scared to.

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When I noticed the hypocrisy and backwardness of Christianity, particularly Black-Christianity. As such, I've been disowned by my very religious family.

>>744196490
You're a scientist then. How about I tell you that I have discovered that gravitons exist. But you can't perceive them or observe them. Just take my word for it. Take it on faith.

That's what you're asking for the existence of God. If you can't we why that is so gloriously wrong, then I can't help you.

>>744196786
Whatevs, dude. Those are you cringeworthy interpretations.
The part about sucking a dick speaks especially a great deal about you.
Bet you are still in the age of rebelling against your father

>>744190902
>no one notices the file name
btw, was that pic made by someone who was serious? because, the kid has parents, which totally demolishes the whole point of the argument.

>>744196683
Don't conflate marxist' tolerance over Christianity's tolerance.

>>744197073
not an argument. the bible clearly instructs you to be a submissive cuck and holds this up as virtuous

>>744197039
Interpretations? It's written in the book itself, you colossal faggot. You're the one interpreting your way out of saying "my god said if you don't love him, you're going to suffer forever."
I guess you're rebelling against the other thousands of religions by not believe in it too, aren't you?

>>744196986
The highest standard of living have been western civilization which is heavily christian. Christians were pioneers of science and secular societies.

>>744196490
there are plenty of people who believe that every word of the old testament is literally true
that's the problem with faith based on an old book full of unverifiable statements
each sect has their own interpretation of the bible, which is "obvious" to them, and of course anyone with half a brain believes the same way they do
but the different sects all have different opinions as to what is metaphor and what is literal, and they can't all be right
they can all be wrong

>>744196829
>being this fucking retarded
I suppose you think that being gay also translates into being 'happy'.

>>744196829
>sand your mum and your dad at the same time and most of all you can be an agnost
wut?

>>744190902
About a year or two ago... Now I am an Antithesist .. If that fucking thing exists I want it to burn in pain for fucking every.

>>744197183
>have been western civilization

I have bad news for you. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/07/these-countries-have-the-highest-quality-of-life

>>744196829
by that definition, everyone is agnostic, and the point of making a distinction becomes pointless.

>>744192990
They have never made me believe in magic. They just make me look in awe at the world around us and admire how everything evolved over an incomprehensible amount of time. If anything they have cemented my belief in the absence of a creator

>>744197147
Proverbs 24:11 Deliver those who are drawn toward death, And hold back those stumbling to the slaughter.

>>744197022
What if I tell you that no matter what you discover or observe or measure, you are still using your subjective presence to percieve what your eyes signal to you and what your brain produces.
And there is no mechanism or discoverable reason for that presence. Because whatever you discover lies in the field of discoverable and perceptable, and the observer is always behind the brackets.

That's where God lies - the reason behind perception being possible. The spark that is the current moment. Everything else is deducted from that spark (phenomenon => objects => relations of objects => time => laws of physics etc)

>>744197022
Except to have discovered them, you would have to have observed them in some way. We would be able to physically perceive the effect of gravity quanta on space and objects through our observations of gravity.

God is literally IMPOSSIBLE to perceive, as he has no physical impact on the world or the universe in general.

Yet again, your argument holds no water.

>>744197183
Yeah, because they ignored nearly everything the bible teaches. Western civilisation was heavily influenced by people claiming to be christians, but it doesn't resemble the values of the bible at all.

>>744197320
>All white western civilizations

Thanks for proving my point. Viva Europa!

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>It's a "christfags jerk off into each other's faces with unwarranted smugness because they'd rather shill for a 3000 year-old desert cult than be anonymously mocked on the internet for thinking critically" thread

>>744197183
do you think western civilisation is great because of turning the other cheek, giving to those who ask, and being generally submissive? these are the values christianity espouses, and i can tell you they did nothing for helping the west. thankfully our ancestors, while stupid enough to adopt this desert religion, weren't stupid enough to fully believe and follow it
>>744197491
old testament, jesus (the christians are pretty big on him btw, they think he's the perfect example) got rid of all that.

>>744197358
Not them but some people do claim absolute certainty of the correctness of their beliefs.
Theist/atheist denotes belief or lack thereof in a high/supernatural power like any of the various gods people worship.
Gnostic/agnostic denotes the certainty of knowledge.

You can mix and match them however.

>>744197539
>God is literally IMPOSSIBLE to perceive, as he has no physical impact on the world or the universe in general

Then pray tell, how do you know of this being's existence?

>>744197650
Meanwhile Europe has the least religious and most secular nations next to Japan and Hong Kong. So your point is still moot.

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>>744197454
You didn't go deep enough. There are revelations about what time is in psychedelics

>>744197561
They haven't. The laws today follow the 10 commandments.

>>744190902
When I realized that there has to be a man who lives in the sky. I can't find a job. There's no way that's my fault. Obviously the sky daddy has a different plan for me.

>John 14:12-14
>12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
what miracles can you show me, christcucks?

>>744197811
Yeah, jealously, false idols and Sabbath laws are punishable by law.

>>744197210
>when you can't refute the point so you attack a strawman

>>744197820
Yes , he wants you close to him soon

>>744197781
That's thanks to marxism. They're also slowly being replaced by islamists. Japan and Hong Kong while very successful, still has flaws and that they have high suicide rates and no morals towards animal life or helping those in need in the streets because not paying for their hospital bills when you accidentally hit them with your car is rational compared to helping them.

>>744192210
anyone who ever takes a solid stance about anything is a literal retard. Reality is based on everything at the same time.

prove me wrong

>>744197811
No, not at all.

>>744197516
> here's a thing we don't (yet) understand scientifically
> that means god did it
sometimes big scary bolts of lightning come down from the sky: must be zeus
the sun moves across the sky every day: must be helios

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>>744197811
>The laws today follow the 10 commandments.
You mean our laws are based on the majority of the 10 commandments that just copy/paste the basic tenants of civilization every successful culture in human history has ever had?

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>>744190902
Probably when I started going to college and grew up.

I don't know if there's a god or not, it doesn't really bother me. I don't really care. I'm not trying to be edgy or anything, it's just something that I never really gave much thought into, it doesn't really interest me.

I used to be an edgy teenager who would shit talk theists and that sort of thing. But I feel like that sort of thing erodes with age and experience.
Mainly, I just aim to not be a dick to people. Even people I don't like. Try to help people when I can, but not go completely out of my way if I don't have to. Be a good friend to people, help out my family. Live how I want. I'm not trying to act like a total tool or anything, I just live and treat others how I'd want to be treated. I used to be a real dick to people and an asshole. That's just not who I want to be.

I don't know if there's a god, if there is, I guess I'd be alright. I don't know if he's some dude that judges every little thing you do, or takes things at face value. I don't really mind.
If there's no god, then oh well. It's not something I can change.

Though I do hope that by the time I'm old technology will progress to the point I can become an immortal brain in a robot body. I just want to see how the world develops. Or go to space I guess.

>large wreck occurs
>>everyone dies in the wreck in an inferno but somehow a bible survives
christian miracles 101

>>744197811

>I don't know the ten commandments

>>744197923
Because it's secular now thanks to the christians.

>>744197516
Wow, what a shitty hand wave. We can't observe God because God is the reason we are able to observe.

Okay. How do you know that?

>>744198127
do i have a cat?

>>744198127
i'm an agnostic. not agnostic theist, nor agnostic atheist.

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>>744197539
>God is literally IMPOSSIBLE to perceive
that's not what everyone in the bible who saw miracles said
god just mysteriously stopped performing magic tricks once cameras were invented

>>744197894
for any christcucks itt, requesting a simple popup on my computer screen saying something along the lines of "god exists." that shouldnt be too hard. unless the bible is full of shit that is

>>744197728
It's not a matter of knowing. That's your mistake, in assuming that we believe because we know. It is impossible to know for certain whether or not he exists as a certainty.

You do not know as a certainty he does not exist, and I do not know as a certainty that he does. But I CHOSE to believe, given what has been presented to me, and you CHOSE not to. That is the very definition of faith.

Faith and spirituality are not simply inventions by humans to explain shit away because we didn't know better. Belief in higher powers in the universe is a natural human instinct, a consequence of our intelligence just as speech and tool use.

>>744198277
>The old testament is literal in any sense

>>744198127
I don't have a beard nor a moustache, but I have glasses.
I'm a bit confused now.

>>744198252
You can't be agnostic.
I guess that you, as most people who claim to be agnostic, don't actively believe in a god. Not actively believing in Gods is a form of atheism.

>>744198132
Regardless it's still there. Saudi Arabia is successful, but they still believe in honor killings. Because they're muslim and not christian.

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>>744198335
>believing with certainty something that is stated vaguely

>>744194921
>quantum physics and role of the observer
this is the biggest pile of bullshit ever perpetrated by anyone ever. There is no "role of the observer." Particles do know "know" when they are being observed. The point they are trying to get across is simply that the ACT OF MEASURING some quantity which is small enough to be of a quantum nature DISTURBS that measurement in such a way that there is a limit to how well you can know any particular value you're trying to measure.

Commonly the double slit experiment is used in this example, as the outcome of the experiment (whether or not you see a diffraction pattern) is changed by whether or not you try to find which slit an electrons or photon passes through. Remember that electrons are extremely small and have almost no mass, and photons actually have zero mass. Any change method of trying to determine the particle's path and velocity requires changing the experiment in such a way that it disturbs the original path and velocity. You see things because light is bouncing off of objects. If you shine a light on a single electron, you're blasting trillions of photons at it and they are sure as hell going to change the momentum of said electron.

>>744198298
>That's your mistake, in assuming that we believe because we know. It is impossible to know for certain whether or not he exists as a certainty.

Knowledge is a subset of belief.

>>744198449
>You can't be agnostic.
Yes I can. I'm doing it right now. Now answer me this: Do I have a cat?

>>744198335
do you believe any parts of the bible are literally true?
if so, how do you determine which are literal and which are metaphorical?
if not, how is the bible any different from any other work of fiction?

>>744198591
Yes, and it wants food

the funny thing about christians trying to prove god exists is that if they truly to believe there is proof, or, if they actually found proof, all it does is nullify the concept of faith. by seeking proof of god, you're seeking to destroy a massive part of your religion, in christianity at least.

>>744198073
So you're now saying that these great secular nations aren't perfect therefore it's because of atheism and Marxism? Your mental gymnastics are admirable.
I wish I had the dedication to list to you the most religious/christian countries on earth and hear you defend them with more of your mind-games, but that sounds boring.

>>744197792
if psychedelics make you believe in religion or spiritualism or magic, they have made you less intelligent, not more.

>>744198591

The correct question to find out if i was a catist or acatist would be: Do you actively believe that I have a Cat?

>>744192368
I thought the definition of agnosticism was not knowing the nature of the divine and a complete inability to do so in any capacity, while atheism was a hardline stance that an adherent doesn't believe in any deity.

>>744198591
you both do and do not have a cat, and both possibilities exist simultaneously until i view your living space and collapse the wave function

>>744198127
I'm sick of this weakass, nu-male attitude of appeasement to retards. You shouldn't have to always throw an asterisk up next to your atheism to denote that there could TECHNICALLY be a god just because you can't TECHNICALLY prove that something doesn't exist anywhere in the universe. You wouldn't ask people to act like that about hippogriffs.

>>744198591
Answer me this: do I have a gigantic spider that's 500ft tall, but you can see or touch it- only I can?

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>>744198577
Belief - n.
1. an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.
"his belief in the value of hard work"

2. trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something.
"a belief in democratic politics"

Knowledge - n.
1.facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject.
"a thirst for knowledge"

2. awareness or familiarity gained by experience of a fact or situation.
"the program had been developed without his knowledge"

>>744198449
Atheism is a belief that there is no god

I do not believe there is no god. I don't have a way of knowing if there is a god or not.

>>744192515
No you retard.
Agnostic means you don't believe in a God or follow any religion
Atheist means you believe there isn't a God

>>744198742
It's not even debatable. As Europe goes further away from christianity and embraces the marxist's egalitarian and tolerance regime, the more regressive and vulnerable it becomes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA8fgaBSDUw

Sweden used to be powerful when it was very Christian.

>>744198904
i don't know

>>744197961
>everything is a strawman
Thanks for the free (You).

>>744198823
Atheism: not believing in God(s)
Where the fuck are you getting this hardline stance definition from?

>>744198706
do you actively believe that?

>>744199039

No. Theism is the active believe in Gods. Atheism is the passive to theism. And there is no middle ground between the active and the passive.

>>744199073
considering that the swedish empire only ever contained land from other christian, european powers, surely this means that these christian powers which lost land to the swedes were weak under Christianity?

>>744198793
well do you? would you make a choice to actively believe either yes or no?

>>744199096
Then you're a fool for even considering it. Grow a backbone and say no. Not everything needs a pussy stance because you're scared to accept reality.

>>744199256
>a choice to believe
nigger you are retarded

>>744192515
Post fedora

>>744199055
>Agnostic means you don't believe in a God or follow any religion
that's literally the definiton of atheist

>>744199325
I love how he's making an example by using something we already know exist and is likely for a person to have. Ask him about the Easter bunny. His response will still be "I don't know," but that'll just show how full of shit he is.

>>744198706
Yes
No
Maybe
I don't know

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>>744199214
Moving the goal posts. Only seen in recent year or two theists trying to erase the concept of pure agnostic

>>744199256

I do not know or care if you have a cat. I deem it possible, but I'm not believing in it. For the moment, I am an acatist.

>>744199452
Can you repeat the question?

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>>744199334
best fedora because of the extra armor from ballistic weave

>>744192515
>2017
>Being this stupid
>Go back to facebook

>>744199169
/r/euphoric

>>744199517
His point makes perfect sense, though. He might have wrote it like a retard, but the basis of agnosticism is "I don't know" which is a retarded world-view.

Curious as to why it pisses atheists off so much when people have different beliefs than them

>>744199231
It would be ridiculous to blame Christianity over a loss when they're still up to arms in fighting.

>>744195491
Are you serious?
Stab or not equally doesnt matter you are just using this to spit on nihilism and redirect every issue to this way of thinking so yeah.

>>744199469
So youre not very well informed. "The concept of pure agnostic" has been criticized for not making any sense since it was made up in the 19th Century.

>>744199602
Sure, when it comes to something that can be understood. Trying to understand what managed to create the universe and claim to understand it is what's retarded.

>>744199655
Same reason it pisses you off that Islam is spreading across the west. People with dumb beliefs are the majority and they're trying to control life based off their dumb beliefs.

>>744199713
>when they're still up to arms in fighting.
what?

>>744199096
This is how retarded "pure agnostics" actually are

>>744192952
...this

>>744199655
it's mostly just that religion has been holding society back for thousands of years
christianity is pretty benign these days for the most part, but look at islam
the fact that people are still indoctrinated that certain beliefs are beyond question, and must be accepted as true without evidence is harmful to the progress of our species

>>744199722
Nihilism isn't even something to embrace. That's why I said that.

>>744199830
They still fought.

when it became incredibly cancerous

>>744199812
You're on the fence about something that's blatantly made-up might probably being true, and that's retarded. Also, religions aren't trying to find out how the universe was created- they've already attributed its creation to a myth and they're perfectly content with that.

>>744199991
do you think jesus would have approved of them fighting? it also certainly seems to contradict the whole "christianity united europe" idea that christians like to throw around

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>>744190902
Very recently actually. I was very nihilistic and didn't want anything to do with anyone but now that I've found a religion I agree with, I gave me more meaning to life.

>>744198275
Kek

>>744199936
While I agree with you, I still think people on a whole are too retarded to function without the placebo of religion.

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