why ancient dumb americans still mining coal to produce energy?

>>741724356

Because everyone else buys it.
Because it's cheap/abundant energy.
Because Americans are bat-shit against nuclear.
Because alternatives aren't yet viable.

I mean, this could go on for a while, anon.

>>741724356
dunno but china is now the leader in green energy. great job trump

>>741724356
Dumb white people can't learn anything else. They need government welfare to protect their jobs. No different than niggers.

BECAUSE THEY WONT LET US GO NUCLEAR

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>>741724686
>current years
>not using renewable energy sources


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/sep/08/norwegian-power-station-ovre-helgeland-hydroelectric-renewable-energy

>>741724788
>Dumb white people can't learn anything else.

Sure. Whites are responsible for like 96% of everything. Literally. If whites are dumb, every other race must be ROCKS.

> They need government welfare to protect their jobs.

The largest employer of blacks in the US is the government. As far as whites go, statistics are fudged by calling even illegal mexican immigrants "white" when it comes to perpetrating crime or benefits.

> No different than niggers.

Honestly, already blew this out of the water.

You're an anti-white, racist, ignorant piece of shit. Like all darkies, you bite the hand that feeds you.

Can't wait until it slaps you back, boy!

>>741725201

Dams are even more destructive than coal mining, retard. Do you know anything, at all?

Never mind the fact that there aren't enough locations in the US for enough dams. It's simply not feasible. And where would the energy to develop and use all these alternatives come from... lol?

COAL?

>>741724692
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Because they still don't know that you can also use charcoal to make torches.

because republicans.

the rest of the 1st world has moved on but Trump is still using this 2nd world industry to rile up peoples emotions.

Coal isn't really relevant now and will be completely irrelevant in 20 years.

>>741725293
Church

>>741725432
There's plenty of room for solar and wind fucknuts

Because West Virginians are too retarded to even consider alternative means of employment and would literally starve to death.

>>741725694
>solar and wind fucknuts
Thats an image

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>>741724356
you do realize that the pic on the left is yosemite national park. It still looks like that today. the pic on the right is from the oil sand fields in canada. CANADA!! You fucking autistic bitch. kill yourself.

>>741725605
Republicans are so pathetic... COAL COAL COAL... Trump creates 400 coal jobs in may.. What a complete fucken bafoon and all his inbred supporters

>>741725840

What is your point?

If there was coal under yosemite it would look exactly like the picture on the right.

>>741724356
Um the mojority of the steel industry runs on coal too. It's called coke.

>>741726039
*Majority

>>741724692

I have a buddy who is pretty high up at one of Australia's largest open pit coal mines. He keeps offering me a stupid high paying job. Why? Because China and India are the two largest buyers of Australian coal. They LITERALLY can't dig it out of the ground and ship it to them fast enough.

>>741725432

>>741725432

>Dams are even more destructive than coal mining,

Yup. One of the reasons why Lake Winnipeg is having algae blooms is the run off from farming isn't being flushed out of the lake like it normally would thanks to the dam on the Nelson river. The algae just keeps blooming and dying and piling up as toxic sludge on the bottom of the lake. Not only that but the marshes and wetlands surrounding the lake are dying too. Studies conducted by the U of M have shown biodiversity taking a huge hit since the 1990's.

>>741725840
false, thats not yosemite. it used to be a part of the beautiful dixie forest in Utah. But in 1998 they turned a part of it into a coal mining facility

>>741726009
no it wouldn't. Many of the national parks have abundant natural resources. the smoky mountains have coal deposits out the ass, but it s protected area. you sound like a stupid liberal who posts based on half witted emotions instead of relevant facts and topics. I bet you wept when trump was elected like the weakling you are.

>>741726182
>The algae just keeps blooming and dying and piling up as toxic sludge on the bottom of the lake
Fun fact this is how some oil deposits were made in ancient times

>>741725978

It's strange.

It's such an obvious dying/dead industry but they seem to act like it will be the savior of America.

>>741724788
Shut your nigger lips up

>>741726356

Uh you realize Trump wants to turn over national parts to private owners. Youre basically making his point.

>>741726197
that is the the mountain el capitan on the left with bridal veil falls just to the right of it. everything you've just posted is a lie.

>>741726182
> dead algae turns water into toxic sludge because of dams

But the article reffered to clearly states that this is a viable solution. Educate me please,

>>741726404
there is a reason why un-educated americans were his highest supporters... these people are too stupid to realize that. they rather blame it on the mexicans and hillary.

>>741726507
to cut federal funding. not to mine you dipshit.

>>741726400
And now we play the waiting game.

>>741726671
yea because people are not going to use that excuse to begin mining

>>741726671
He wants sell off federal land

>>741726671

What do you think happens after 10-15 years of "non-profitable" ownership.

They will start selling the resources of the park.

No idea how you're so fucktarded.

>>741724686
Renewable energy employs 5x the people of coal... and cost/Kwh is within 20% depending on your region.

>>741726404
Coal is used to make steel, it's not going away anytime soon.

>>741725840
>should of changed filename to "averagedumbamerican"

>>741726885

Please tell me you're 12 years old or just retarded.

>>741726539

Thought I did. Anyway...

Normally, water would flow into the lake as runoff in the spring time, raising the level. Throughout the summer, the water drains away, carrying shit with it.

The dam prevents this natural flushing. Instead, the level of the lake is kept more or less constant so agricultural runoff stays in the lake longer. Long enough for the algae to benefit from it and bloom out of control. There have already been proposals to remove the hydro dam(s) downstream of the lake in order to save it.

>>741725605
this

>>741726885
So one industry needs coal, two of you count our energy grid but we could be using other sources for that easily.

>>741725784
I'm completely comfortable with this plan. Let's DO IT!!

>>741724692
I think Saudi Arabia is the leading producer of solar electric panels.

how canada produce their energy?

>>741727225
Concentrated faggotry.

>>741724356
that's in Canada
because there's still no other viable option to sustain our way of life for the moment?

>>741727007
I think you are. It's called coke it's used to power the blast furnaces.

>>741727288
lets do this then

>>741726356
The Smokey Mountain deposits are low quality, and would be high cost even under current regulations. Best to leave the coal where it is and move on.

>>741726885
Carbon composites are lighter, stronger, and within 5 years of being cheaper to manufacture than steel. Steel is as dead as coal.

>>741726356
"Protect the wildlife" isn't relevant to this topic. It's not economically viable to extract coal except at massive scale, and most of the massive scale deposits are gone. Solar and wind have 0 increment cost, only operating costs, and liquid and gas fossil fuels burn much more efficiently, cost less, and are easier to distribute. Coal has no future. Even the Chinese are moving away from it, because they're smart enough to see the writing on the wall.

>>741727225
Beaver pelts, moose milk and maple syrup

>>741724356
>why ancient dumb americans still mining coal to produce energy?

to butthurt Bill Nye and Carl Sagan deadbody

>>741727219
Maybe but the chinese have more money invested than any other country

>>741727219
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jan/06/china-cementing-global-dominance-of-renewable-energy-and-technology

>>741727456
Haha no. I don't even know how to reply to you.

>>741727312

Is this you confirming you have no idea in the difference of American steel vs out sourced steel?

>>741726885
Most of the coal currently being mined in the U.S. is sub-bituminous and not suitable for metallurgy. Burned for BTUs to make steam for electric power plants.

>>741727044
True. Removing old hydro projects is the new eco-trendy cause in the PNW. Hydro is not good for the environment, if you care about that shit.

>>741727044
I get all that. What you fail to explain is why it's being praised in media as a great option to non renewable energy. Dead algae that turns the water into toxic swamps should be a dead giveaway to why this isnt an option. But it is. Hydropower is a common energy type.
In addition to a sustainable fuel source, hydropower efforts produce a number of benefits, such as flood control, irrigation, and water supply. Yet you say it turns water into toxic swamps.

Because the unions and the miners are too pussywhipped to demand the actual cost to their employees of digging out the coal. These niggers are coming down with blacklung before 40 these days and they keep silent because they're so assblasted.

If the cost of coal actually included the medical costs incurred from workers making themselves fatally sick, it wouldn't be viable at all.

>>741727073
It's about time, time to design and build new plants. Time to retrofit steel mills. Who going to pay for all of this. Coal is cheap and all the infrastructure to mine and build it exists. I'm all for alternative energy, it's just going to happen anytime soon.

>>741724356
>why ancient dumb americans still mining coal to produce energy?

Because there's a demand for the resource... Its that simple...

Congratulations, OP. You're responsible for one of the dumbest posts I've seen in a long time.

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>>741727298
Coal is not growing. 2/3rds of our energy comes from "not coal". How is there no other viable source?

>>741724356
>why ancient dumb americans still mining coal to produce energy?
As opposed to Germans who built a glorious nationwide solar array that doesn't work because the sun doesn't shine in Germany? Seriously.

>>741727863

>demand for the resource

One of the least profitable natural resources.

>kek

>>741727736
That dead algae needs to be there in order for it to be subducted into the Earth and become oil millions of years from now for our posterity to use. Think ahead man.

>>741727840
Natural gas is cheaper. And more efficient. Coal is for oldfags and incestuous West Virginians.

>>741727840
It makes it harder when the gov puts tariffs on nonamerican solar panels. It could be done, yes it would be costly but these companies have plenty of money. They rather see it fill their pockets then help the nation/world

>>741728168
Do you think they would be interested in out-sourcing, or just keep it in the family?

>>741727978
>implying solar is the only answer

>>741724356
because the rest of the dumb ass world is still buying it from us. its a little thing called capitalism see a market and fill it

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>>741727863
i'm smarter cause i yelled someone else is dumber

>>741728307
implying amerifats sells coal and not using it yourself to fuel potato chip and chocolate factories.

>>741728168
I agree but the oldfags that own the companies don't care about the future, they only care about maximizing their profit now. That's going to kill change until that generation dies out.

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>>741728307
>>741728307
>because the rest of the dumb ass world is still buying it from us

US import only 11% to other dumb country like Colombian and Canada.
Get informed before shitpost

>>741727987
>least profitable
Doesnt matter if its profitable. It provides thousands of immediate jobs mining it, more refining it, even more selling it and allows for machinery to use it to be useful and create their own markets.

Talk about economic illiteracy.

>>741729005

>Doesnt matter if its profitable

This fucking nigger.

lmao

because the environmental movement discredited itself when they went crazy protesting nuclear power.

This is what is going to happen, no matter what treaties get written or who signs them. We will use fossil fuels until they are pretty much gone. Countries are already cheating on the Paris agreement, so its all bullshit to make people feel like something is being done.

>>741729005
*doesnt matter so long as its profitable to any extent

>>741728873
Let's help them accelerate that process.

MA, git mah gun!

>>741729123
Excuse me
See
>>741729147

>>741729005
All of this can be said about any energy source.

Expand your mind, /b/ro. With knowledge or a shotgun, your choice.

>>741727552

This is what losers look like.

>>741728213
Yes exctally they don't care about anything except their own bank account. They don't care about the world, it's their oldfag generation. Hopefully the upcoming wealthy will take a 20%(completely arbitrary number) or so profit cut and care about humanity more than their bottom line.

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>>741727736

>>741729197

Excuse me while I add on qualifiers to my dumbass statements.

>please don't call me a dumbass.

>>741729005
>>741729147
Furthermore, all a firm needs to do in the short run is to pay off its variable costs. Really it doesn't need to make a profit so long as it can reasonably pay for tomorrows labor. It can sustain losses while remaining in business so long as it can pay that particular kind if cost. F it can pay for its fixed cost too (ie. Loans to pay for land), then it can enjoy what you communists refer to as profits.

>>741725694

Which needs a lot of energy to create the farms and panels, a lot of materials, and a lot of rare earths/exotic elements that aren't good, at all, for the environment. Getting them is as destructive, if not more so, than coal mining.

Look, as I said.. when it's FEASIBLE, I'm game. Until then, I'll remain logical and educated while I laugh at liberal retards like you that live on rote and feelings instead of reality and fact.

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>>741724356
Never stop mining
Accellerate mitigation strategy for contaminent

>>741728908
>pulls up info from 2016
>currently 2017

you must be a nigger to be this stupid.

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>>741729268
This is wrong. Some resources are too costly to extract relative to the price they go for in the resource market. There must first exist demand for the product before there can exist a profit and if an industry is able to at least project future profits then it'll enter the market to produce that product. Please read a book.

>>741727608
What percentage of the US steel industry still uses coal?

>>741729343
What are errors? Either way, firms can still remain in business without earning profits so long as they are able to convince their investors of future returns.

Ie. Amazon

>>741729778

>What percentage of the US steel industry still uses coal?

This is basically a pointless question if you understand where 75%+ of the steel used in this country comes from.

The most significant uses of coal are in electricity generation, steel production, cement manufacturing and as a liquid fuel.

Steel structure
Different types of coal have different uses.

Steam coal - also known as thermal coal - is mainly used in power generation.
Coking coal - also known as metallurgical coal - is mainly used in steel production.

Other important users of coal include alumina refineries, paper manufacturers, and the chemical and pharmaceutical industries.
Several chemical products can be produced from the by-products of coal. Refined coal tar is used in the manufacture of chemicals, such as creosote oil, naphthalene, phenol, and benzene. Ammonia gas recovered from coke ovens is used to manufacture ammonia salts, nitric acid and agricultural fertilisers.

Thousands of different products have coal or coal by-products as components: soap, aspirins, solvents, dyes, plastics and fibres, such as rayon and nylon.

Coal is also an essential ingredient in the production of specialist products:

Activated carbon - used in filters for water and air purification and in kidney dialysis machines.
Carbon fibre - an extremely strong but light weight reinforcement material used in construction, mountain bikes and tennis rackets.
Silicon metal - used to produce silicones and silanes, which are in turn used to make lubricants, water repellents, resins, cosmetics, hair shampoos and toothpastes.

>>741729839

>firms can still remain in business without earning profits so long as they are able to convince their investors of future returns.

I'll let you in on a little secret right now that coal isn't one of those industries.

I'm embarrassed for you right now. Thankfully this is anonymous.

>>741729274
No this is what someone that understands changes in manufacturing looks like. Very few industries will change materials quickly. Most industries will take decades.

>>741728626
coal is the second most used fuel for obtaining energy, only second to oil. coal produces more energy and burns cleaner.
americans use coal
rest of retard world still using oil like the mongoloids they are.

>>741729909
How much of the world's steel is made with coal?

>>741729909
You didn't answer.

>>741727931
haha your so fucking stupid natural gas cannot be used to produce the same types of energy coal does they are completely different your statistics are retarded and used out of context.

>>741729778
Don't know about that, but only about 1% of U.S. coal output is anthracite. Lack of supply is the limiting factor, and this is the type of coal the steel industry wants.

Due to the declining supply of bituminous coal most U.S. coal production is sub-bituminous (fewer BTUs+ more impurities= higher costs).

>>741730217

Why do you think Trump doesn't want to use American steel on the oil pipeline?

>>741729920
Stop with your facts. We can grind up solar panels for all of this.

>>741730022
As your life withers away on a pointless image board, at least you can remind an anon that they forgot to add three words to their preface... While also ignoring their correction they posted seconds later.

Congratulations, you have reached the precipice of your existence. I can assure you that its all downhill from now.

>>741730360

Thanks for saying I'm right.

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>>741724356
To sell to the More ancient mongol oid Chinese

WTF did you think, asswipe?

>>741724356
Its better than nuclear.

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Because i like getting paid 49.50/h to play with a ex3600
Be gone libertard I have no time for thy kind...

>>741730441
If you want to argue a position, post a rebuttal while respecting the correction, otherwise your achievement is little more than pointing out a grammatical error.

>>741730307
This is not an argument. I don't care what Trump wants.

>>741730360
yeah, you would fucking know right? I got a job earning 87k a year. A 10/10 girl i fuck everyday. You dont know my story bro. gtfo

>>741730478
Nope.

>>741729276
Sure, buddy.
The young, hip millennial generation will be totes caring and generous and make a better world because they care for all of humanity so much. Just as soon as they can get rid of the annoying old people they hate.

Fucking cognitive dissonance is a bitch.

>>741730588

But the reason Trump isn't using it is exactly my point.

Maybe comparing it to something like the cast iron industry is easier for you to understand.

>>741724356
conservatives thinking = it worked in the past so let's just stick with it and not try anything new

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>>741724356

>>741730478
The Chinese have at least as much coal as the U.S. Why not dig their own with far lower labor and shipping costs?

>>741730601
Just 87k? Ive heard of meth heads drawing a better earning sucking dick out of a glory hole.

>>741730807

Wow somebody gets it.

It's almost as if thats why America doesn't create steel anymore.

>>741730696
Trump doesn't run the companies. He can say what he wants. I still don't see your point.

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Subsiding coal is socialism. This means Trump is a communist, Russians won the cold war!

>>741730807
China is 2/3 mountainous regions with no easy/cheap access to most of their coal and other mineral deposits.

their most abundant and easily accessible resource is copper.

>>741730856
>heard of

>>741730920

The point is that the steel industry is dead in America.

>>741730715
If a firm can successfully develop a fuel superior to coal in terms of both output, consumption and cost/profitability, then that resource would eventually render the coal industry redundant... But that has yet to be the case.

For example, improvement in extracting oil from the ground (trying something new) led to the virtual extinction of the whaling industry in New England.

>>741730689
I was joking. Most rich people will only care about the bottom line and don't care about who they fuck over. The new generation all think they would change the world if they got rich, but in reality they would just do the same shit.

>>741731007
>Just 87k
Poor people don't know what six digits feel like

>>741724356
BECAUSE WE ARE NUMBER ONE AND COAL PRODUCES POWER. WE'LL PUMP UP OURSELVES AND OUR ALLIES UNTIL ARMAGEDDON BROTHER.

>>741731230
wow, you sound fucking awesome