>>741603255 Her fag boyfriend would rather kill himself than fuck her for the rest of his life, or even 1 more day. He tells her this at length. She loves him. She goes a bit crazy. She helps him achieve his goal. Temporary insanity due to unwinnable situation. He was going to kill himself either way eventually.
>>741603255 It wasn't nearly that simple. She was actively encouraging and helping him to an hero for months. It's less about free speech and more about domestic abuse. If it were that simple I'd be against it entirely.
>>741603255 >telling someone to commit a crime >telling someone who's contemplating suicide they should just do it >convince that person they should do it even though they're having second thoughts >detail how they should do it, in great detail defend her and how people who do this benefit society at all
Since when is it illegal to send specific words to someone, most smart phones have a block number feature, charging her is violating her free speech but American justice is pretty much overrun by leftists so she's fucked
>>741603255 >bf wants to kill himself >she says do it >he gets in a truck with the exhaust pouring in >gets back out >tells her he changed his mind >doesn't want to die >she tells him over and over to get back in >he gets back in the truck >dies
Telling someone to kill themselves is not a crime. Actively encouraging someone you have influence over who is suicidal to kill themselves after they attempted then stopped is fucked up.
She should die in prison, bitch is a totally narcissistic attention whore who wanted sympathy that her bf killed himself.
>>741603533 It was weeks not months. And she didn't help him, she just told him to do it and he bought everything and did everything. And it wasn't abuse because she only told him to do it because he kept telling her he wanted to for months.
>Adult wanted to kill himself >Had tried many times before >Keeps telling this to an underaged girl on psych meds for some reason >She tells him to get help, see the same psychiatrist she went to etc. >He refuses, wants to die too bad >Tries to get this girl to die with him in a Romeo and Juliet style because he's a psychopath >After months of convincing, she agrees with his decision as it appears it's the only way for him >Starts telling him to >One time she tells him if doesn't want to anymore that she will get him help, he refuses again >Eventually he kills himself >She's blamed and has to go to jail for over a year (if she loses the appeal)
Please explain how this is fair and how she's not the real victim in all this? Also explain why it would be better if Conrad was still alive seeing as how he was trying to get this girl to kill herself, he may have found another young girl to get to do it with him.
>>741604196 Exactly, he had already abused her by saying he wanted to die constantly. She was in love and the only way out was for him to do what he said he would. She was his captive as much as he was her victim.
>>741604042 Suicide is not a crime. Her freedom of speech doesn't need defending. She benefited society by letting this psycho die so he wouldn't prey on anymore young girls trying to get them to kill themselves, and also no more tax dollars wasted on him.
>>741604112 >violating her free speech "Freedom" does not mean "fuck you I can do whatever I want." Her actions and inaction caused a death. She was tried, got a fair trial and was found guilty. But I'm guessing you know more about the law then the judge involved.
>>741604142 How is it fucked up, he wanted to kill himself, told her it was the only way he'd be happy for months, he was having cold feet in the last moment like getting married, so she gave him some friendly encouragement to finish his desire.
>>741605134 Well he wasn't one of those people, he had tried killing himself multiple times before. I also doubt most people who seriously attempt a suicide are doing it just for attention. There is no justice. He wouldn't want her in jail, so there is no victim nor are you satisfying anyone, except his family who would ignore his desire to die just to keep themselves happy.
Its also worth noting the law (at least in Australia) takes into account in these situations how easy it is to make good on the apprehension. If I tell you to fire yourself into the sun, that wont be as serious as if I tell you to get back into a fucking car full of exhaust fumes.
>>741605252 How does she lack empathy. He told her his life was miserable and that death was the only way for him to be happy for months. She empathized with his desire to die. If she ignored his desires just to satisfy herself by keeping him alive, then she would lack empathy.
>>741605810 >Never studied psychology then, maybe learn something before asserting points. You just made that up. There's nothing to study.
>His family? You don't punish people to satisfy a family.
>Please post any evidence supporting this retarded contention. What are you saying? Obviously his family would prefer he lives, even though he wanted to die, just to keep themselves happy at his expense.
>>741605855 Look at the text messages. He's clearly scared and doesn't want to go through with it, he tried to do it but got out of the truck with the generator, she then told him to get back in.
A normal person (4chan users are not included in this group of people, mind you), would not tell someone they love to go back inside the truck and try again.
Suicide is a permanent fix to a temporary solution. A lot of teenagers are depressed during that age for various reasons, killing yourself because you have a bad couple of years in your twenties means that you are giving up the possibility of being happy in the other 50 years you're going to live.
Also, a phyciatrist who testified for the defence agrees with me. He's saying that because of the drugs she was taking her empathy was impaired.
>>741604650 >Her freedom of speech doesn't need defending. and her freedom of speech doesn't prevent her from consequences from excersizing such freedom. just as you can't tell someone else to murder someone for you, you can't tell someone to harm themselves.
if she did the smart thing (called the authorities) or simply dropped the loser from her life, society and her life would be fine. instead she decided to act like a psychopathic sack of shit, and is now getting burned for it.
>>741606135 >Psychology isn't a discipline Got it, moving on.
>You don't punish people to satisfy a family. Yes you do. That satisfaction has a name: 'justice.'
>Obviously his family would prefer he lives, even though he wanted to die, just to keep themselves happy at his expense.
What the fuck are YOU saying here? They wanted their son alive so they can be happy? Yeah, sure.
In your previous statement, you're making an assumption that his family knew about, and decided to ignore their son's mental health in an attempt to "keep themselves happy." PROVIDE EVIDENCE OF THE CLAIM YOU ARE MAKING.
>>741606417 The doctor was just saying that to get them to go easier on her like an insanity plea defense. The meds messed her up. Unfortunately a lot of people seem to equate empathy with wanting everyone to live while that has nothing to do with it, it's about being able to understand people's feelings. She understood his desire to die, therefore she has empathy. Anyway even if you think suicide wasn't the best option for him, it doesn't matter because he was an adult and it was his life, so he can end it if he wants to and there's nothing wrong with it.
>>741607095 There's a big difference between understanding that someone wants to kill themeselves - And encouraging them to do so, especially when they are not capable of doing it on their own without the encouragement, which he was not.
Read the text messages on the night that he died, it's unsettling.
Of course the doctor is trying to make them go easier on her, I think sending her to a prison to share cell with someone that robbed a store is beyond retarded. But hey, 'murica.
>>741606770 You can't tell someone to murder someone because that's incitement, telling someone to commit a crime. Suicide is not a crime and also has no victim, therefore it's ok. It probably would have been smarter to just ignore him, but she had moral character and tried to help him out, and now she's being punished for it. She didn't act like a psychopath, she told him to die because he said that was the only way for him to be happy. And we don't know if she's going to jail until the appeal is over.
>>741607528 For a truly depressed person, life itself is the problem, and it may never go away as long as they live. I understand people are trying to help when they say shit like this but it really betrays their ignorance.
>>741606922 No you don't. If I get some kid not to go to college, against his family wishes, you don't punish me just to satisfy the family. That is not justice. Justice is when there is a victim of something, and then you punish the victimizer. No the assumption that I am making, is that the family would prefer their kid live, against his will to keep themselves happy.
so, lets say for example, a mother encourages her child to kill himself, offers him ideas how to do it, puts the knife in his hands, shows him how to cut, then when he is about to cross the line, she encourages him to go over the edge - life isn't going to get better she says, is that protected free speech?
>>741607350 He had attempted to kill himself before by ODing, so he was definitely capable of going through with the actions that would lead to his death. Anyway the point was about her empathy, you haven't given any evidence that she lacked empathy, that would mean she ignored him or couldn't understand his feelings or something or didn't care about his feelings. You can say she didn't empathize with his family, knowing how sad they'd be about his death, but then why would she put his family's happiness above his own.
>Carter: Well… I guess [that I am frustrated] just because you always say you are gonna do it but you don’t, but last night I know you really wanted to do it and I’m not mad. Well, I mean, kind of, I guess, just because you always say you’re gonna do it… but you don’t but last night I knew you really wanted to and I’m not mad.
Stop pretending that the guy really wanted to kill himself and there was nothing she could do to stop it. She literally encouraged him to do it when he had second thoughts. Also learn the difference between a random guy online telling you to "kys" and your fucking girlfriend telling you to do it. But I guess you fedora wielding white knights will never even get close to a woman to know how that feels.
>>741607662 I guess you have a point, but how many percent of the total amount of people who kill themselves does this apply to? But how do you research this?
If a person kills themselves, you will never know if they would be able to be happy in the future, they're throwing that chance away. Then again, if you want to kill yourself, that's fine with me. You decide what you want to do with you own life.
>>741607409 >Suicide is not a crime what kind of a shithole doesn't have suicide as a crime? not only that but you're missing the point entirely and are arguing the same bullshit others have brought up and been BTFOd in past threads identical to this one.
>suicide has no victim yeah the kids parents who spent the time money and effort raising him aren't victims of this psychopaths harmful and disgusting actions? the kid who died (painfully mind you) isn't a victim? are you really this stupid? i hope someone you love kills themselves.
>she had moral character if telling someone who's backing out of a suicide to finish the job is moral i think we share the same gay earth, difference is you're too weak and stupid to see right from wrong, i feel pity for you
dying doesn't make someone happen, it makes them dead. you can't be happy, when dead anon, stop trying to justify the actions of some dumb cunt.
it isn't like she was some random shitposter on the internet, this was someone who he was intimate with and had a close enough bond with to say they were dating out in public. her actions lead directly to the death of this man, which makes it at the bare minimum manslaughter.
>>741608154 Suicide is also not a crime. Doesn't matter if it can be undone or not. A family does not matter, what matters is if someone was victimized or not. But also, he deprived his own family of a son, not her, which is ok since he shouldn't be making his family happy at his expense.
>>741608415 America. There is no where in America where suicide is a crime. No parents being upset at what their child chooses to do with their lives aren't "victims" of anything. The kid who died is obviously not a victim, he chose to do it. You're not a victim if you want what came to you. What's next, you're a victim if you choose to spend your own money? No you're only a victim if someone steals from you against your will. If someone I love kills themselves I won't be a victim of anything. He told her for months his life was miserable and the only way he'd be happy was to kill himself. So she told him to for his best interest, which is what he himself said, she didn't just come up with it. Therefore she had moral character. It was not any kind of manslaughter because she didn't cause his death, he caused his own death.
>>741608532 Suicide only recently became decriminalized, although attempting suicide is actually still a crime.
Rarely was either prosecuted when suicide was explicitly illegal, and certainly not now when there's an extremely weird legal distinction between suicide and attempted suicide (and no, simply surviving isn't always counted as attempted; for instance in some places if your heart actually stops but you are resuscitated by a 3rd party then it counts as successful).
The only reason this is even a talking point is because most humans are pathetic and stupid and so we aren't allowed to just take their own lives, there are LEGAL stipulations for taking YOUR OWN LIFE. As if human laws and mandates have anything whatsoever to do with the spiritual realm, goddamn humans are so fucked and idiotic, just end this retarded species now.
she directly influenced his decision to end his own life. there's irrefutable evidence for this. not only that but her actions directly lead to this mans death simply by neglecting to inform the proper authorities of his attempt at suicide.
>>741609497 I mean I'm not arguing that she should go to prison, but I definately think she should be thoroughly examined and get forced phyciatric care, as she seems to have a distinguished lack of empathy.
>>741609337 every fucking shitty shitpost on this shitty site is bait. just a bunch of faggot google spambots relentlessly spamming bait trying to get free workers to solve their streetname problems for their computer driven cars
>>741610008 that's not how it works dumbass if you can't grasp simple concepts such as this, maybe you should stick to acquiring neetbux and stay away from the harshness of society for the rest of your sad idiotic little life
>>741609707 You don't have to tell the police when someone is dying. If that was the case then those teens in florida who watched that man drown would have gotten some punishment. Also you shouldn't be trying to physically stop someone from committing suicide unless they're on drugs or something, it's their life and body and so they can do whatever they want with it. Anyway he made his choice, she didn't threaten or force him into it, therefore his decision is all his.
>>741609710 It was already determined she does, and she coerced him into doing it for the attention a dead boyfriend would bring. Fuck 30% of inmates are mentally ill and need psychiatric care in the united states, no one gives a shit about them so why should anyone give a fuck about this whore?
This is the worse trial in the history of mankind. Remember this as the downfall of society.
If this bitch is sent to prison for literally using words to manipulate someone into doing something then it is ALL OVER.
I don't give a fuck if you think she's a nice person or evil or whatever, this is at its core either 1) straight up first amendment case or 2) a "good Samaritan law" case. The first is fucking obvious. The second one is so retarded Seinfeld made fun of it for you.
>>741610052 Usually true, but I smoke some before doing yard work and it makes the time fly by, and I have the strength of 10 yard-workers. Eventually, I get stung by a bee and have to go inside, but it works for a while.
You don't mean anything to anyone, how could you possibly convince someone to commit suicide? You opinion would have to matter to me. I would have to care about what you think, and not like my life. Neither are true.
>>741610384 Creating a panic causes victims, and affects a bunch of people negatively who wouldn't want to be affected that way, such as being trampled or whatever. Telling someone to kill themselves, if they choose to do it, there would be no victim.
>>741610160 >You don't have to tell the police when someone is dying. If that was the case then those teens in florida who watched that man drown would have gotten some punishment. being this ignorant those kids are getting punished you fucking retard.
calling the authorities informing them that someone told you they were going to harm themselves is entirely acceptable and removes liability of said persons harm to themselves
>>741610183 doesn't matter, no where did the poster suggest he was contemplating suicide, nor do you have any influence over said posters actions.
>>741610384 >I insult someone on the internet >person later kills himself for one reason or another >I go to jail because I hurt his feelings Get fucked, eurotrash. Feels good to be able to say that while I still can, no thanks to retards like you.
>>741610620 >If this bitch is sent to prison for literally using words to manipulate someone into doing something then it is ALL OVER. But fraud is already prosecuted and has been for over a hundred years, most fraud cases are manipulating someone with words to fork over cash or goods.
The right to tell someone to kill themselves or be pro suicide is not lost, if you read the texts she sent the major difference is she coerced someone into it.
>>741610160 >Also you shouldn't be trying to physically stop someone from committing suicide unless they're on drugs or something you're disgusting, and don't know the profound effects trauma, deppression has on ones life, their views, or nor decisions. being drugged and attempting to kill yourself is no different than being sober and trying to kill yourself you have an obligation to stop or at least attempt to get help for someone contemplating suicide
>>741610546 But they're not in a position of influence. Telling someone you've never met to kill themselves on the internet != repeatedly telling someone who loves you and trusts you that their only option is to kill themselves and then when they chicken out berating them until they go through with it
>>741610601 She did not coerce him. That would mean she threatened or forced him to do it, and she did not do that. She told him to because he told her that was the only way he'd be happy. She told her friend "I couldn't have him go on living how he was living anymore". The idea that she just wanted attention, was just something the prosecution said in an attempt to vilify her but is not the truth from her own words.
this wasn't some anonymous neckbeard at some board famous for being edgy and offensive on purpose.
this girl knew the guy and thanks to the whole "cruel, idgaf women are so cool and empowered" attitude that the media has imparted on women since the dawn of soap operas and reality shows, she told a vulnerable human being to kill himself.
everyone who says a woman isn't capable of abusing a man etc are just pandering to this shitty "women are more or less children and shouldn't be held responsible for their actions" attitude that poisons their fucking minds and release gigabitches out in society.
she should be put in jail along with all the other histrionic personality disorder and borderline personality disorder cunts who get celebrated every time they fuck someone over.
>>741610751 No they aren't. At least google something before saying something. http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/20/us/florida-teens-drowning-man/index.html "Florida teens who recorded drowning man will not be charged in his death" "Police: Family of victim 'frustrated' in lack of accountability"
You don't have to tell someone when someone is dying. You are not responsible for other people, as long you yourself don't kill them or harm them.
>>741611156 all i remember was that they were looking for the people laughing at him to charge them. you think prosecuters try and charge people for no reason? or maybe they do so to remove cancerous shitbags like yourself from the rest of society? hmm
>>741610876 Being drugged means you are temporarily in a messed up state of mind, and you can assume if someone never tried to kill themselves before without the drugs, that the reason they're doing it now i just because of the drugs, so you should save them until they're back in their right mind. It's not your responsibility to, but I think you should. And you should definitely not try to stop someone who is sober from killing themselves, it's their life and body and they made their decision. You have no obligation to stop them, it's the opposite, you have an obligation to not stop them because it's their life and body and their decision on what they want to do with it.
>>741610235 If someone loves you, and you use that love to convince them to commit murder, and they repeatedly back out of it, and you repeatedly talk them into it, you're not talking about a free speech issue anymore.
>>741610825 This has nothing to do with speech. Fraud is you violating other laws. If you go "I'll sell you this lumber for money cause I'm a lumber tycoon!" and then take the money and don't give them the lumber, that's theft. The fraud part invariably is direct theft.
The manipulation is slick words used on stupid people but there's an obvious, prosecutable crime that was injurious to a third party.
This was a single party, no fraud was involved, no laws were broken, and while "slick words" may have been involved, you can't punish a person for being smarter than another person or society will take a shit.
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