>>741579454 Whats your take on the disorganization of US antifa groups compared to the European counterparts. And secondly have Antifa groups failed to express opposition to free market neoliberalism, the cause of much of the far right agenda?
>>741579972 thats a valid point, american comrades have a way to go, but i noticed progress. remember that until "occupy wall street" neoliberalism was fairly stable, the alt right is a reaction to the threats to the system by the blobal insurgences since 2011 and BLM. the wind is picking up in america too
2) why the fuck do you scrawny nerds think running round dressed in all black and smashing shit will do anything. Soon enough the police will decide you've had your fun and turn on you hard. Then you're 1 molotov cocktail or brick away from death or severe injury.
Middle-class champagne socialist/communist/anarchist white boys who don't like nationalists or fascists. They consider themselves to be rebelling against the establishment, whilst upholding all of its ultra-politically correct views.
Antifa only dislike racism when its carried out by whites, and do not have the bottle to stand up against anti-white racism; leading to many people on the right to refer to them as 'traitors'. I'd rather just call them morons.
Most are teenagers and university students who grow out of the fad when they start paying taxes. Antifa is stupid. #fascist #nazi #white boy #teenager #molotov
>>741580751 no, we have no leaders and no such ambitions. our most advanced fraction is in greece. we driven the cops out from a whole neighborhood in the middle of athens and set up committees, self help programs like the black panthers did back in the day
Hurr durr if we smash shit then the rich people have to pay for it. All you did was raise a bunch of people's insurance premiums and make your political views, at least at the extreme, less popular than they already are/ I hope faggots like you keep trying to revolt because it means there will never be success.
>>741581631 Why do you actively attack the buildings of companies who pander to the left such as Starbucks? Is it because your too fucking stupid to tell the difference between political standpoints, or are you just kids having fun breaking shit?
>>741581252 Group autonomy, or individual? How can we be free from value systems? If capitalism is rid of, what value could replace it so as not to lead the industrialized world into chaos? Does the lack of police occupation usually lead to mafia, or is it all the same in your opinion? Are you a misanthrope?
>>741581905 Starbucks is a company as any other, we are communists, this is sometimes a silly and childlike practice but it expresses a growing frustration at the way thing are by a lot of young people , we should take it to the next level
>>741580815 You're going to die and it will be a positive for humanity. Your parents will also lose a child in such an embarrassing way and will spend the rest of their lives wondering what they did wrong. I know you retards believe in white privilege but it's not going to save you when you're pointing a gun at the "fascist" police officer telling you to stop being fags.
>>741582139 mafias are part and parcel of the capitalist society, its the dark side of the "white" legitimate businessman, in Athens we have a police free neighborhood and things are fine, we set up collectives to take care of our selves
>>741582585 yeah they consider nigger hating- homo bashig and jew concpiracy theories to prevail, as to deflect popular anger from the rich, thats no system changing, and its sure as shit not system destruction
>>741582458 Do you want a return to city-state democracy? Or anarcho-tribalism? What is the plan on a nation-wide or global scale? What would you do tomorrow if the AntiFA's were given power over all of europe?
>>741582592 Why can't you see that censoring idea, calling for the burning of books, calling for violence against people you don't agree with, is what Hitler did during the Nazi regime. You people are the only fascists in America .
>>741582913 thats a silly question, power is only managing people, we dont want to mange or be managed. we wand to live. we are not competing for power over lives, we are the lives ourselves. thats what the alt rigth cants get or imagine - life without masters
>>741583039 The definition of fascism states that it is the force suppression of the opposition. Keeping this in mind, punching people, destroying buildings, peeper spraying, stopping people from talking publicly, forcing certain books out of stores, censoring ideas on sites such as youtube, destroying peoples lives because they disagree with you. Now doesn't that sound a bit like the suppression of opposing ideas.
>>741583346 With nobody controlling people what's to stop people doing the shit you guys hate like being nazis or general racists who go around killing blacks? Hope it's not just some fags in masks and sunglasses.
>>741582820 fool. the same could be said of antifa - by causing mayhem you disrupt legitimate protest thereby deflecting popular anger from the rich.
Instead of attributing your perceived result to their beliefs and actions as their desire, why wouldn't you believe their word when they state exactly what they want. They're not undercover agents pretending to be nationalists ...
>>741583689 racism and nazism are the system tools, its poisons affects, rasicm is historically are tool for dividing the working class and deflecting popular anger from the people on top to those at the botton, as if some melon picking mexican is the cause of our misery
>>741583566 Don't you just love that I've posted arguments like this on three times already, and not one has gotten a response. It's that these people can't formulate a proper argument. That's what happens when you take gender studies in collage.
>>741584044 Idiot. The rich - dems and reps who benefit from unchecked low cost labor like your melon picking mexican. You fucking racist piece of shit - that mexican farmer has kids who compete with your kids for schools and limited state resources which en mass drive down middle class wages.
Mass immigration of any kind is to the detriment of the middle and lower class.
>>741584214 This is poetic in a sense. Cap America was actually working for hydra the whole time. Make's you think that hitler is now laughing in his grave, thinking to himself that these collage kids are doing his work for him.
>>741584044 But still, with nobody controlling people what the fuck are you going to do about people violating your precious beliefs. I mean you already use a near facistic level of intimidation and destruction or obfuscation of information so you obviously feel pretty strongly about them. What's going to stop someone from just putting a few rounds into a group of black people? Oh, that's right. Nothing.
>>741585374 there are no communists states. there is only relatively centralized capitalism, just becouse you paint some shit red and put Marx's imago on it dont make it communism, we are anarchists too, not bureaucrats
>>741584871 How are entire nations of people going to be transformed using these values? Humanity is a succession of violence and sex. What would you do if tomorrow the greek people said " Hey Anon, make us a new plan for our society and future."
>>741585131 So you're saying that the people who keep you say, run your country and generally put a roof over your head, should leave to give space for people who don't have a job and complain about pointless shit all day long? How does that work?
>>741585742 i would tell them that they are weak, that they dont want to be free, that they are looking for a master, someone who will save them and that im not a Messiah but a man who's fed up with shit and can use his own brain and imagination
>>741586347 “The people I saw on Tahrir Square were new Egyptians, having nothing in common with the Egyptians I was used to dealing with every day. It was as if the revolution had created Egyptians in a higher form […], as if the revolution had not only rid Egyptians of their fear but also cured them of their social defects. […] Tahrir Square became like the Paris Commune. The authority of the regime collapsed and the authority of the people took its place. Committees were formed everywhere, committees to clean the square and committees to set up lavatories and washrooms. Volunteer doctors set up a field hospital.” In Oakland, the Occupy movement held Oscar Grant Plaza as the “Oakland Commune.” In Istanbul, no better name could be found, already in the first days, than the “Taksim Commune” for what was coming into existence there. A way of saying that revolution was not something that Taksim might lead to one day, but its existence in actuality, its ebullient immanence, here and now. In September, 2012, a poor Nile Delta village, Tahsin, 3,000 inhabitants, declared its independence from the Egyptian state. “We will no longer pay taxes. We will no longer pay for schools. We’ll operate our own schools. We’ll collect our garbage and maintain our roads ourselves. And if an employee of the state sets foot in the village for any other purpose than to help us, we’ll throw him out,” they said. In the high mountains of Oaxaca, at the beginning of the 1980s, Indians trying to formulate what was distinctive about their form of life arrived at the notion of “communality.”
>>741586347 Not only is the commune not dead, it is coming back. And it’s not returning by chance. It’s returning at the very moment the state and the bourgeoisie are fading as historical forces. Now, it was precisely the emergence of the state and the bourgeoisie that put an end to the movement of communalist revolt that shook France from the 11th to the 13th century. The commune, then, is not the chartered town, it’s not a collectivity endowed with institutions of self-government. While it can happen that the commune is recognized by this or that authority, generally after battles are fought, it doesn’t need that in order to exist. It doesn’t always even have a charter, and when there is one, it is quite rare for the latter to stipulate any political or administrative structure. It can have a mayor, or not. What constitutes the commune is the mutual oath sworn by the inhabitants of a city, a town, or a rural area to stand together as a body. In the chaos of 11th century France, the commune involved pledging assistance to one another, committing to look out for each other and defend each other against any oppressor. It was literally a conjuratio, and such conjurations would have remained an honorable thing if royal jurists had not set about in the following centuries linking them to the idea of conspiracy as a way of getting rid of them. A forgotten historian puts it in a nutshell: “Without association through oath, there would have been no commune, and that association was sufficient for there to be a commune. Commune had exactly the same meaning as common oath.” So a commune was a pact to face the world together. It meant relying on one’s own shared powers as the source of one’s freedom.
Remeber how Occupy Wall Street movement was all the rage few years ago and now nobody barely remebers the whole thing. Just like ANTIFA the OWS movement mostly appealed to the younger people who wanted to be "radical activits" for a good cause.
My guess is that just like OWS this ANTIFA thing is going to be forgotten in couple years.
>>741587005 You do realise that the right is the furthest thing from the nazi party these day. We are fighting so that everyone can have a say in a conversation without the fear of being pepper sprayed in the face. The nazi's were the ones doing the pepper spraying.
>>741587133 lol, ANTIFA was formed at the 30's of the 20 century. and dont think the Occupy Wall Street movement is all but gone
What characterizes the situation that a commune faces is that by giving oneself to it unreservedly, one always finds more in it than one brought to it or sought from it: one is surprised to find one’s own strength in it, a stamina and an inventiveness that is new, plus the happiness that comes from strategically inhabiting a situation of exception on a daily basis. In this sense, the commune is the organization of fertility. It always gives rise to more than it lays claim to. This is what makes irreversible the unheaval that affected the crowds that descended on all the squares and avenues of Istanbul. Crowds forced for weeks to deal on their own with the crucial questions of provisioning, construction, care and treatment, burial, or armament not only learned to organize themselves, but learned something that most didn’t know: that we can organize ourselves, and that this capacity is fundamentally joyful. The fact that this fertility of the street was not mentioned by any of the democratic commentators is a rather clear indication of its dangerous potential. The memory of those days and nights makes the orderly everydayness of the metropolis appear even more intolerable, and exposes its pointlessness.
>>741588694 we can only learn the lessons of thier defeats, here some:
eparating those governed from their political power to act is what the police are about whenever they try to “isolate the violent ones” at the end of a righteous demonstration. Nothing is more effective for crushing an insurrection than causing a split within the insurgent mass between an innocent or vaguely consenting population and its vanguard, who are militarized, hence minoritarian, usually clandestine, and soon to be “terrorist.” We owe the most complete example of such a tactic to Frank Kitson, the godfather of British counterinsurgency. In the years following the extraordinary conflict that engulfed Northern Ireland in August 1969, the great strength of the IRA was to stand together with the Catholic districts that had declared themselves autonomous and called for its assistance, at Belfast and Derry, during the riots. Free Derry, Short Strand, Ardoyne: three of those no-go areas that one finds so often in apartheid territories, and still encircled today by kilometers of “peace lines.” The ghettoes had risen up, barricading their entry points and closing them to the cops and the loyalists. Fifteen-year-old kids alternated mornings at school with nights on the barricades. The most repectable members of the community did the shopping for ten and organized clandestine grocery outlets for those who couldn’t safely go out on their own. Although caught unprepared by the summer’s events, the Provisional IRA blended into the extremely dense ethical fabric of those enclaves that were in a constant state of insurrection. From that position of irreducible strength, everything seemed possible. 1972 would be the year of victory.
>>741588694 Somewhat taken aback, the counterinsurgency deployed its major means. At the end of a military operation with no equivalent for Great Britain since the Suez crisis, the districts were emptied out, the enclaves were broken, in this way effectively separating the “professional” revolutionaries from the riotous populations that risen up in 1969, tearing them away from the thousand complicities that had been woven. Through this maneuver, the Provisional IRA was constrained to being nothing more than an armed faction, a paramilitary group, impressive and determined to be sure, but headed toward exhaustion, internment without trial, and summary executions. The tactic of repression seems to have consisted in bringing a radical revolutionary subject into existence, and separating it from everything that made it a vital force of the Catholic community: a territorial anchorage, an everyday life, a youthfulness. And as if that wasn’t enough, false IRA attacks were organized to finish turning a paralyzed population against it. From counter gangs to false flag operations, nothing was ruled out for making the IRA into a clandestine monster, territorially and politically detached from what constituted the strength of the republican movement: the districts, their sense of making-do and of organization, their custom of rioting. Once the “paramilitaries” were isolated, and the thousand exceptional procedures for annihilating them were routinized, it was just a matter of waiting for the “troubles” to dissipate of their own accord.
>>741588940 listen dude, i assume you're a American collage kid, but this sort of shit has never worked before, and ANTIFA doesn't have the equipment or the money to put on something as big as the IRA, plus government standards and equipment has increased since then.
>>741589206 and why did the militarization of police taking place? they know that this system is bankrupt . that this way of "life" cannot go much more, the us is in huge huge debt which it cannon repay. they are preparing for the coming insurrections,
>>741581943 you faggy fem-boys get your ass kicked eeevery single time. are you fags dl into that dominatrix shit? probably get knocked out, cry, go home and jerk off because someone finally touched you
>>741589800 Protest peaceful then, it worked for M.L. King, don't go around shooting people because they hurt you feelings. You know what the Nazi's did, kill people because of what they believed in, isn't that what you just agreed to do?
For all the faggot who dont know who they are ( in the pic )... THEY ARE INTERNATIONAL ANTIFSCISTS TABUR BRIGADE...A UNIT FROM YPG.. THIS PIC WAS TAKEN LAST YEAR SOMEWHERE IN SYRIA MAYBE MANJIB I DONT REMEBER...OP JUST FOUND PIC ON INTERNET.
>>741590342 He chose to kill himself, that's on him. You're talking about killing those who didn't ask to be shot in the face, policemen are just doing their job so they can live and eat, salary men are working shitty jobs so that their family can eat, and you say it's ok to kill them. How fucked are you in the head. America is not a war zone, it's a free country.
>>741590915 look, there is a diffrence between "opinions" and "ideas" the first are like assholes right? the second makes people ACT in a certain way, when two confronting ideas or ethos's meet there is war
>>741591213 There is only war when one side would rather punch people than have a conversation, and we can clearly see which side that is here. I can believe i have to explain why killing people on the streets is wrong.
>>741591093 well eichman was a nazi who "only did his job" that was his line in court, actually i wouldn't kill him after the war was over, but in real time he is an enemy, he enforces a certain order. i would prefer not to kill anyone but people still believe in things enough risk their life. cops kill constantly, every day. what is BLM all about?
>>741591527 BLM is a misguided power movement that don't care about about black people, they want to kill cops yet cops have killed more whites than blacks, they want to stop cops killing blacks yet they're alright with blacks killing other blacks and they think that they can't be racist, it's dumb.
>>741592079 get this in your head, some are powerful and some are not. some can say how the world will look and other are excluded from this discussion. until that reality is resolved civil war will rage on at different intensities
>>741592220 what do you want me to do, explain to you the history of blacks in america, you can read, do your research, joint a reading group. meet BLM activists . here, ill even ofer you a good film for you to watch sometime
>>741592372 The reason some are in power is because they are smart enough to run a country and keep it from blowing up, the reason you are not in power is because you are a dumb activist who took gender studies in collage.
>>741592977 Oh, so you think you can run this county better do you? By abolishing law, letting in millions of unvetted refuges, publicly execute anyone who disagrees with you, how about you put the "alt right" into gas chambers, yeah that'll help wouldn't it?!
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