This girl has spine and brain cancer that is slowly spreading throughout her body. She's been through multiple surgeries and nothing is working. She is in agony every day and will most likely not make it to 18 years old.
How can you ever think there is a God? What possible reason can a child endure so much pain and suffering just to slowly die a painful death? Why would anyone believe a God cares about people?
>>739325508 Fuck man, I go on 4chan to not feel anything and this has made me more depressed then I already was I just want to say something, I know every is gonna fight me on this I just kinda want to leave this head, In the bible it says that the world is in the power of the wicked one, and that the devil only has a short time left on this earth. It's not god doing this he is letting the devil rule the world till god says enough and sends him to everlasting destruction, then we can live in peace on this planet, without death or suffering. Also there is no hell, that's all bullshit.
>>739326025 >Because in her past life she was a bitch, or most likely black, so now, she is being punished for it. Might as well sacrifice her at an altar to our father Satan. May God Bless.
>Theists are liars and Atheists are liars.
Great example. This dude has no fucking clue what he's talking about, he is basing his explanation off of a pure fabrication. He truly has no fucking clue if reincarnation actually exists, he's just talking out his fucking asshole.
>>739327010 So in the past when whites first came to america they were happy wernt they ? they prayed to god everynight went to church every day right ? everything was fine and happy until we kept getting more and more further from god fast forward where the first radio and tv came about you see people started to forget and ignore god thus god became weaker and weaker in result more evil spreads easily and all this thats going on in the world is all evil doing of the devil why ? because over all the years you see more faggots more trans more evil and yet fewer people who believe in god i do my self and i gotta tell you ive seen miracles in my life but i do see evil everyday as well a simple solution here is needed ant that is a spiritual revival but we dont see that nay time soon all i see is more fighting in the world more evil more faggots and trans and well its over for us tbh except for us who know god just saying sept 23rd 2017
>>739325508 I've always wondered about this, and call me a sicko or whatever, but since she won't make it to legal age will they allow her to have sex?
Like will they let her have it with anyone she chooses or something to let her experience it before she dies?
I have always wondered this since I was a kid and figured out what sex was. I mean damn, it would really suck to die by some shitty sickness before you even got the chance to get laid or drink legally. It just wouldn't be fair.
>>739325508 Before we are ever born here. We exist as Souls. We are not born innocent only oblivious. We agree to do this test as have all before us and after. God said he would do this test and he did. He to suffered. (Probably more than once. What this young lady has is an ingraved invitation back to eternity.
>>739328372 No, He is interested in all of us spending all of eternity with him. He wants us to choose a side. And is apparently willing to wait a very long time since he has not cast Lucifer out of Heaven yet.
>>739326710 "Both sides are equally full of shit." -Every limp-dick pseudo-intellectual that ever ran away from an idea because it was too big and scary. Grow the fuck up, man. Those of us with decent minds have found profound truth around us. That you haven't but behave like you're somehow superior should tell you something.
People have been mulling and debating these questions since the ancient Greeks and likely earlier. You haven't stumbled upon some great new revelation with your profoundly brilliant mind.
The fact that you haven't bothered to see how past religious philosophers have long ago answered these conundrums just shows you to be lazy and ignorant. And essentially a blatant anti-religious bigot.
>>739325508 The folly is thinking that God is here to solve our every problem. No, think of it this way. If we all lived be the example Jesus had shown us, we would not as a people need to invest trillions of dollars of various world currencies on the machines of war and to have standing armies. We could instead have invested that capital i to increasing our knowledge of our world and in turn of our reality and we could have a cure for this and thousands of other malladys that strike us down.
But no, we instead come to /b/ to fight and argue that ther is/isn't a God, we spend our mkney fighting frivilous and unecessary wars that result in millions of dead every decade.
God does not want to watch us suffer, God weeps for every soul lost to the machinations of sin.
>>739329002 >"Both sides are equally full of shit." Of course they are, they think they're both right when either side doesn't have a fucking clue. Don't get mad at me for telling the truth that no one knows shit.
The great thing about life is you can believe what ever the fuck you want... But again, that doesn't mean it's what is real.
>>739329129 >Don't we all? I can admit to not knowing. I think it drives a curiosity to figure it out.
>>739325508 I'm not Christian, and I don't believe in God, at least not in the sense that you mean, but you're looking at it from a very immature point of view. "I am suffering, therefore God must not be real" Most people who have shit like this happen, only question the existence of God once bad things happen specifically to them (somebody close to you having bad things happen to them counts as having bad things happen to you, because it is causing you suffering that they are suffering, so in reality you're just thinking of yourself) There are all kinds of arguments for why God would allow suffering in the world. If you're going to stop believing in God (or not believe in the first place), the fact that people suffer is a retarded reason.
The reality is that nothing is inherently good or bad in the world. When you say "bad things are happening to me", they aren't actually bad things in themselves, they just suck for you. Cancer isn't a bad thing. There are all kinds of positives to cancer, all kinds of benefits that can come from a person having cancer. When you realize that everything that happens is neutral, you can start choosing whether or not to see it as good or bad. This girl getting cancer, from her perspective it could be a good thing or a bad thing depending on how she wants to view it. Yes there will be pain and physical suffering no matter what, but we all deal with that in life. Everything is relative. The world is what it is. We all suffer, yet we all also have the ability to feel joy in things if we choose to.
>>739329002 >-Every limp-dick pseudo-intellectual that ever ran away from an idea because it was too big and scary.
What? His ideology that "no one knows" is way bigger than just believing in something because you "think" it exists. Sounds like you need to grow the fuck up, and understand people can have opinions outside the "two sided" norm.
>>739326710 Doesn't sound to me like you're running away from anything anon, sounds to me like you're taking fake bullshit head on. We need more people like you in this world.
Think about it. You create your own little world. To your creations youre a god but you know youre just you. And why would you interfere? Its like in sims when you create a family and then you stop playing after awhile. If god exists hes probably more human in nature than we think. Less omnipotent and more just some dude chillin. And then what about aliens? Hed have to devote time to aliens so we are just self centered to think hed lool after humans 24/7. Tbh he probably forgot about us
>>739327166 Just because something sounds cool and trippy doesn't mean it's true.
In all likelihood death is but a complete and utter cessation of existence. We can't know for sure, but there is no scientific reason for there to be an afterlife, no matter how biologically susceptible we are to believing so in order to suppress our sense of mortality salience.
>>739325508 Some kid dying of cancer and ur trying to say god doesnt exist...? What about all the other little annoying cunts who dont have illnesses. Why not blame the devil? Or the governments? Putting blame on an omnipotent being who wouldn't intervene in the lives of mere men and children unless ultimately necessary.
>>739328019 > the first whites that came to America were happy right? If you call eating leather shoes and belts and horses because of starvation and eventually cannibalism 'happy' then yea, they were super happy. Thanks god!
We know the tiniest particles are the framework for our universe, and the universe is going forward. Reality is the universe, while consciousness is the constant stream of data from the inputs of the universe.
As far as post-death experience, there is none as experience is the conscious of the internal observer, as it feels its way through space. But we do reincarnate, as the law of conservation means no matter can be created or destroyed. So if our atoms migrate through the universe and assemble into another sentient creature, we won't have any recollection of the previous life (unless quantum entanglement of consciousness across universes is possible) and it will be a new life.
You may know nothing about the universe but don't confuse your stupidity with universality.
>>739328368 That is literally exactly what we would not think. Wow how thick are you that you would think the majority of christians are bible-thumping higher-than-thee phony christians that gossip about how awful everyone is in the same pew we worship in? Good lord I hate that she is suffering and I wish and pray that it would end for her and she would be healed. But never would I nor anyone I know condemn her like that. It's sick.
My experience is that God exists but doesn't really help you except on rare circumstances and if you miss your chances you're shit out of luck, dunno what it means for this girl and her situation but I'm just saying Ive seen proof of God but there's alot of things that have made me turn away and I try to look for Odin now
If you are or were a parent wouldn't you want the best for your children? If a parent neglects their children, let's them suffer, or severely punishes them we all know it's wrong and it is punished by law. So why the fuck don't God fags hold their holy father/god, you know the guy that can do anything, accountable for not doing nothing but eat popcorn in paradise while innocent people suffer? Religion is a joke.
>>739330208 >unless quantum entanglement of consciousness across universes is possible
I don't think you understand what QE is...
Second, we have better understanding than people did 2000 years ago of the universe, I mean, we have better understanding than people did fucking 10 years ago.
But we still don't understand it fully. He's not wrong.
Maybe we aren't supposed to fully understand it, maybe we aren't that high up yet. Or maybe we are never supposed to attain that level of knowledge for a reason.
Who fucking knows, it's all speculation, atoms, bosons, quarks, space foam (if it exists) strings, etc. are nice to have. But they don't explain what consciousness is, or what was before the universe.... well yet.
>>739330208 >K this retard needs to be shot down Does not disprove his point no one knows what the fuck is going on >unless quantum entanglement of consciousness across universes is possible Claims consciousness is atomic....
What the literal fuck are you smoking? You're doing exactly what he said, you're lying about knowing shit.
>>739330960 >Souls are permanent unless you die of bullets or bombs?
Well the soul gets evaporated by the bombs and bullets. The soul is made up of g atoms, a new type of atom no one knows about, also known as dark matter. Isn't it great? I can write my own religion and it would sound better than 99% of the shit we got going already.
>>739325508 >implying God being omnipotent and omniscient does not know and always has what she would end up doing >implying dying young is a worse fate than suffering on this Earth >implying "life" on this transient, finite, plane is important at all
>>739325508 I do have those same thoughts. However, the universe had to be created. The 'scientific' explanation of a magic nothing that poofed into existence then exploded for no reason is literally impossible.
>>739325508 You are a fool to feel compassion. The random and perfect act of evolution is crafting our species.. She most die in order for us to live.. Rejoice! The godhood of man is near.. Evolution Is our religion Darwin our is our prophet.
>>739328019 This fool speaking nonsense about God getting weaker. You think his power depends on us believing and praying to him. God was almighty before us and will be after us. You'll hang for this heresy boy...
>>739325508 She had to be the person to endure those things. Just as you're the person that has to question why these kinds of things happen. We all just are what we are. The real reason may never be known to us, but it is most likely that we just some part of a simulation and she is the part of the simulation that has to experience those particular circumstances in order to produce a certain piece of data.
>>739325508 >what is free will We aren't puppets dancing to God's tune, there are no strings on us. Why is it so hard for you fedorites to understand that while God loves us, for better or worse he does not interfere.
>739331734 >I'm so smart I'm willing to believe in Dark Matter or the Big Bang that gave rise to all matter but a talking snake in a supernatural context is just tooo silly because i never seen a talking snaek lmao
I love how people are all like: durrr why god dont fix what we fucked over and over durrrr god plsss
imo god dont really care about his creatures if they are not his childs, its like you dont (honestly) care about africa. I think this world is just a filter to separate the true creation of god, who decided to be with him freely from just creatures with his own problems, who decided freely not to be with god (and blame him for that KEK).
Every once in a while God punishes random people to let us pay the price of that sin. If we haven't stopped spanking our kids and wives, she might be alright. Sure we would all get a lot of sore butts but it would be worth it that she can live, right?
>>739325508 Once, upon encountering a blind man, one of Christ's disciple's asked The Lord if the man was blind because of his own sin, or the sin of his parents?
Christ replied "So that God may show his power" and healed the man's blindness on the spot. Or so I was taught.
We don't know what effect this child's life will have on others, whether she lives or dies, or even what will ultimately happen to her.
But sad as it is, there is a Plan. We won't always know what it is, we won't always understand it, but it's there.
For all we know, this thread and this image might be the inspiration for some /b/ tard to really knuckle down and get through medical school so that he can ultimately find a cure for cancer. Stranger things have happened
I remember reading a story once about an Astronomer, who was also a Jesuit Priest, on a deep space exploration mission that came upon the remains of a great civilization that was destroyed when their star went nova. They knew it was coming and at the edge of their system they had left a time capsule of sorts on the burned cinder of the outermost world in their system, and the Priest and his crew found it.
The capsule described a wonderous civilization of people who had conquered all the evils of their world, sickness, war, hunger, greed, all of it. Their world was a literal paradise.
The priest did some calculations based on what they found, to find out if the star going nova had maybe been seen from earth and when. He discovered it would have been about the time that Christ was born, visible in the northern hemisphere over the ancient city of Bethlehem...
>>739331830 My guess is that she is there to get her tonsils out or some other weak shit and FAGGOT OP was on his daily rounds at the hospital cleaning bedpans and took a pic of her for future jacking material and she suddenly woke up, thenOP pissed the floor, mubled something about having to suck multiple nigger dicks and ran out of the room screaming like a scared little girl!
>>739332135 The reason you are not an atheist is that you are poorly educated. The evidence for this is that you cannot spell atheist. Hope you continue to learn and to grow. You don't want to die an ignoramus.
>>739325508 you just aren't based enough. red pill on god: He is real. people who lack faith are sinners.
Back in jesus' time jews were not god's chosen people. they were christians but didnt know it yet. they were people in the middle east who did not worship the false gods that were in power. God was crucified because he preached the truth about illuminati, false prophets, evil jews, etc. He kept preaching and preaching about the evils of the world which are basically ways that the devil can get you to sin to then be used for his bidding. So jesus was crucified for his preachings against the jews in power ( who are still in power) right? the jews, muslims, and all other faiths are just satan's army. The chosen people are christians and the rapture is when all the other faiths kill all the christians sending them to heaven. think about it. judas was a jew who snuck into the 12 disciples and got him killed and it all started from there. Everything sin is controlled by jews. porn, false gods(hollywood, celebrities, drugs), greed, murder, genital mutilation. every single religion has these in common except christianity. name one person in the world who contributes directly to evil and destruction of the human race who is christian. and dont say the pope for touching little boys because the roman church betrayed god as well. checkm8 athiests
Nothing he said was a lie either though. Difference being one person is actively questioning everything and is at least attempting to move forward with his intelligence, and the other is indecisive because of nihilism. Indecision is stagnation; stagnation is death.
>>739325508 we just happen to live on a scale of entropy where suffering and comprehension combine into one. our pain is felt yet we can also comprehend the pain, thus making it far worse depending on how we look at the situation. its just the human condition man, we live and die comprehending and contemplating our pain and suffering throughout our lives, one a man loses a leg he can choose between sitting in a chair all day or doing something about it, animals dont have that decision making complex.
Hey-- if you're going to quote a dead man at least have the decency to not fuck up the meaning of what he said. Furthermore, just stop putting stock in the clever opinions of dead people altogether and maybe jump back on the research train a little longer.
>>739333260 Thats bc they give you really good drugs when death is imminent. To prevent suffering. How do I know? Bc my Step Mom died a long miserable 6 year long death from breast cancer. By the end. She just gave up and died. They had her so fucking drugged up she was talking about taking road trips. Never occured to her she lost feeling and couldnt walk anymore. Bald from cancer inducing Chemo. (Ironey at its finest) In the end, death will take you no matter what. Kicking screaming, begging, defiant, ignorance. Dont matter, death will take you.
>>739328019 Things are getting better though, like, almost objectively better. The only reason you're saying it's getting worse is due to your limited perception and selection bias. Things aren't getting worse and no the colonists weren't happy, they were fucking miserable, they literally had to boil their fucking shoes so they had something to eat and if they didn't die from starvation they'd die of dysentery, or get fucking Salem'd. It would have been especially hard for you considering they threw retards off cliffs and shit like they were fucking Spartans, but I guess most people were illiterate back then, so you'd fit right in. Point is, the past was ahitty, it wasn't log cabins and a wife and kids, it was log cabins and fucking dysentery!
Isn't it more upsetting that she'll die without ever knowing the joy of getting well fucked? Never having an orgasm? Someone should volunteer and at least let her experience some joy in her life before she dies.
Big picture as I see it. I have faced loss and cancer more than once in my family, and came to ask about faith for the same reasons... spent years studying various religions and conclusion is this: Strap in: God does exist. He is only interested in spiritual development... not the pain of these lives we live. He wants moral spirits within us. Why are we here: We are the Fallen Angels who rebelled, we are chained here with Satan for a time... to see if any are good. These lives are literal trials... each testing our morality. All is visible from the high-dimension (angelic realm - heaven)... suffering here is allowed to happen, but is a "twinkling in the eye" to our eternal forms... while in these bodies we experience things inly in 3D and time in one direction... there all directions and eternity... all place is the same place (big bang - Kingdome of Heaven can fit within a pearl). Look into these things in scripture.The reason for holy books and teachings (messiahs) are to help us understand the need of morality in our spiritual lives. Yes reincarnation happens... we are allowed (for a time) to live lives here to prove ourselves worthy... some angels choose not to participate in this or interfere (demons). God is Good. God knows your pain. God is a Good Father. You are not given what you want, but what you need. We turned away, we are being tried before the fires of destruction destroy our souls. Be moral.
>>739325837 Maybe we're all god in different times and everybody is literally one consciousness and we or I decided that we wanted to experience everything including sad depressing lives just as much as happy privileged lives.
>>739334066 What im saying is, he got alot of the idea from another researcher. Infact, another person was in the process of writing the same book. Just Darwin beat them to the punch. True shit. Look it up
So many possibilities. 1. God simply set the universe into motion and doesn't/can't affect it afterwards. 2. This life is a test for the afterlife. 3. We are an unintentional side effect of the universe. 4. Past lives exist and she did something to deserve it in a past life.
Probably way more possibilities that I'm not listing. Also regardless of whether or not a god is real, the benefits of believing in a god are real. Placebo really does have physical effects on people.
>>739330362 Nature? No fuck wit. Genetic innomaly created mutated cells. Man made induced? Perhaps. In the end, an almighty God that can create the Heavens and Earth can surely kill a few cancer cells off. Before they spread
>>739334927 1. makes no sense if god is all powerful, which in christianity he is. 2. makes no sense since god is supposed to be all knowing, so he should know from the start whether you'll fail said test 3. once again makes no sense if god is all powerful 4. an all powerful/knowing/seeing being has no need to test anyone, and no need to punish anyone. he literally has no incentive to do anything.
>>739335193 >attacks the fictional part, implying all the Jesus shit happened You coulda just said Hitler killed more than just Jews, and Jesus was a jew. Or he was mad for losing the Rhineland so scapegoated the minority
>>739335347 they were being tricked by satan and the jews. he was killed so we would realize what he said was true which is why they killed him for no reason . to shut him up. thats why jews in the media will silence people who speak the truth now. thats why the media is the way it is. jews. satan. he let them kill him so that everyone would be aware in the future that these people are sinners and to follow what he said or you would be tricked by the devil into sinning and not get into heaven
>>739334495 Think about how bored you'd be alone in the universe as the creator. You'd eventually split yourself into multiple souls in different timelines so that you're technically only one should at a time even though multiple can exist at the same time and so that you can experience everything. A life dying of cancer can seem pretty interesting and exciting when you're alone in the dark for longer than you can comprehend.
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