>>739157814 Oh, so making a change in a show that is becoming so stale it is even losing its longtime fans killed it. Making a change with something dying by being stale killed it. I repeat: Making a change with something dying by being stale killed it. First off, Dr. Who will always have its true fans. It has an immortal cult following. Second off, only idiots think that keeping something the same when being stale is killing it will fix it and blame the change in an attempt to fix it killed it. That's like say, North Korea sending a guy circling the drain (almost dead by their abuse) to the United States saying since the guy died in the USA, North Korea was not at fault for his death.
>>739158285 When did i say it had failed? I said that it ruined a popular franchise for many fans. There will always be fans, such as tumblrwomen who will be happy about this. My MUM was a diehard doctor who fan, and even she says it absolutely ruined it for her and says she'll never watch it again.
>>739158509 The bit that I quoted > you've ruined a successful franchise. How about you wait and see before saying that it's ruined. Because it might do really well.
And so fucking what if it appeals to Tumblr fans? Doctor Who has always been a progressive show, criticising bigotry and racism, and showing that men can solve huge problems without guns and violence. If there's any criticism to be made, it's that it's taking away such a role model for men.
>>739157814 >hire the most boring actor from broadchurch to be the main character of one of the longest running shows in british television If they're gonna do diversity casting why can't they pick good fucking actors
>>739158714 You still dont understand what i mean? Im talking about how it was ruined for fans alike me. Fans who've been watching for so long, to become BETRAYED like this. Fans that will quit watching the show altogether. That ruins a series for THOSE fans
I've watched every single episode of Doctor Who, including all the ones in the 60s that they lost the video for. I don't see how any of us have been betrayed. Were we betrayed when they replaced William Hartnell with a younger man? Were we betrayed when they gave the Doctor more regenerations?
If making the Doctor a woman has ruined the show for you, then I wander what it was that you saw in it in the first place.
>>739159925 Two of my favourite shows are Buffy the vampire slayer and Veronica Mars, do you think these shows would be improved if they were re-booted with men as the leads? of course not. The reverse however does not apply, If woman replaces a man nowadays you're a sexist for disagreeing with this decision.
>>739160447 The new Ghostbusters was a disaster, but because they didn't know how to direct, when to end sequences, and because they tried to make it all one huge joke. The original had much better comic timing, and everyone (except Bill Murray) played it straight.
>>739160399 Sorry honey you're wrong. The Doctor was male and is now female, so trans.
What you are saying is that every regeneration is a completely different existence, which we know isn't true because there are only a fixed number of regenerations. So the Doctor is all one person, and s/he is a transwoman now. A transwoman played by a white cishet female. The BBC only pretends to be inclusive.
I don't really give a shit. Will see how she plays the doctor and then judge. I just hope they are not doing the Ghostbusters thing where it's "let's make them women and make a big fucking sexiest deal over it for publicly", which will fucking kill the show like it did that movie. I don't think they'll go that route though. Dr. Who has always had it's ups and downs, we'll see where this goes.
>>739160598 Sorry, honey but everyone who was against ghostbusters was angry because it was feminised. Rotten tomatoes reviewed the film without counting the female replacement and https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ghostbusters_2016/
>>739160754 This was mentioned only in past few episode as a part of SJW propaganda. Changing sex's was never even mention in past 50 years of the show's existance, first time it was implemented with the master to test the waters. It's no coincidence doctor's last companion was a black fucking lesbian.
i dont know why its a big deal. they ruined another series, so dont watch it no viewers = they will get the message it's evident that the public is exhausted by all these sjw trojan horses in entertainment. video games, movies, shows, etc
I love this actually. No matter how they play it, or what they do, what direction they take the doctor being female, they are going to piss off and trigger tons of overly sensitive pricks who take things on a TV show way too seriously. The doctor cannot be a women people, the actress should be trans people, the "fuck them for making a period joke" people. The internet rage will be very entertaining.
>>739157814 I can't help but wonder if this only to further some agenda about "inclusiveness" by retconning a character with distinctive characteristics and introducing new ones to cater to the idea of everyone getting a shot by actively destroying the other group. Only in this case it's convenient because they can just say he regenerated and people will buy into that cover.
I think the most important thing we're all forgetting is that Dr. Who is a timeless piece of shit that finds itself cursed with immortality. Everytime it makes itself more unwatchable in an attempt to kill itself a bunch of nerdy Brit-aboos raise up and laud it's greatness, making even Undertale fans seem like decent folks. The series is a scarred, retarded thing at this point with a cult of mediocre people force feeding it income from commercials and Tardis bumper stickers. Maybe it's time it died.
>>739161864 >>739161900 1. The Doctor isn't trans, because it's a whole new body. Time Lords regenerate. When they're male, they're male, when they're female, they're female. Maybe there are some trans Time Lords, I guess not everyone is happy with the regeneration they get (but at least they know they'll get another shot later).
2. If they did cast a transwoman, would that trigger you?
>>739162026 1. You are essentially saying they are an entirely different entity after each regeneration. You are the only person even attempting to use this line of reasoning because it is completely wrong and at odds with every piece of DW narrative
2. I am literally asking for a transwoman in the transwoman role, why would I be angry. What are you, drunk?
>>739162270 BBC in foreign countries is BBC World, a wholly separate subsiduary with a profit motive. DW is produced by BBC Wales. None of the commercial revenue from abroad can be used to fund DW for legal reasons.
"I can still die. If I’m killed before regeneration then I’m dead. Even then. Even if I change, it feels like dying. Everything I am dies. Some new man goes sauntering away. And I’m dead."
> 2. I am literally asking for a transwoman in the transwoman role, why would I be angry. What are you, drunk? It's really hard to figure out if people are being facetious or genuine here. Apologies if you were being genuine. And no, not drunk.
>>739162447 you're just cherry picking a completely arbitrary and generalised quotation about him describing what it feels like to regenerate. But the persistence of memory without flowery language makes it blatantly obvious that parts of the previous character remains.
This is where it becomes problematic for me, and PROVES beyond doubt that the Doctor is in fact transwoman.
Because memory and personality remain. For 13 generations, the Doctor (we can now posit with 100% certainty) has CHOSEN to identify male.
This time, s/he has chosen to identify female. But the old Doctor's personality and memory and emotions remain.
Therefore, the Doctor is trans. Saying the new Doctor is not trans, but is female is heteronormative bias. It is denying the entire part of the Doctor which was male and transitioned.
And yet they will still rely on all of that every time the Doctor has to recall something from xer past, or defeat an old enemy in a tried and tested way, right?
It is deeply problematic. You cannot work around the fact that residual parts of the pre-transition Doctor will make up a large part of xer character. The new Doctor is not female, but trans. A transwoman should have not been barred from taking the part of a transwoman Doctor.
Don Quijote will be played by a proud black Antifa 16-year old girl. Buck Rogers will be gender fluid. Instead of Driving Miss Daisy it will be Driving Miss Deyanira, a Dominican from Miami. Katniss Everdeen will be a bulky Indonesian transgender.. The King and I will become the Drag Queen and I. Not Without My Daughter will focus on a random gay Iranian. Moctezuma will be played by a puppet named Elmo-ctezuma. Lawrence of Arabia will become Laura of Atlanta, a proud part Asian bisexual. Matrix will be led by Nellie, a Salvadorean female immigrant who goes into the Matrix who now wants out but refuses to disconnect. In Schindler's List, Mel Gibson will be the lead actor. Pan's Labyrinth will be a pansexual monster. Home Alone will have a dog putting all the traps to defend its "guardians" home. And the dog finds he's gay and an immigrant (it's a Chihuahua). Bruce Lee movies will have a reboot led by Nicole Kidman, an old divorcee who discovers the joy of Kung Fu after her wife left her (yes, she's lesbian). Eat Pray Love will have a reboot, with Jamal being lead character, a black gay democrat who leaves his country after Trump's victory.
Doctor Who was never good. It is just one big nostalga trip to when you were a kid and watching flying spaceships and aliens blow each other up. It was made for kids and thats it. There should be no further thought proccess when watching it other than changing the channel. People who watch this show or either man children or sjws. Poo
>>739157814 Well since Moffat so hates white men that it's poisoned his writing, casting, directing, and the entire idea of the show itself to the point of nonsense over the last decade, maybe a female doctor will actually be a better fit for the total fucked up mess the show is now.
>>739162796 Stop trying to sound clever with words you barely know the meaning of. Im convinced you are a 16 year old school girl with a doctor who pencil case. This much thought proccess into a show is clearly affecting your day to day life. Please stop.
>>739163010 >makes rational, thought out post >one line response is "calm down"
Couldn't think of anything more thoughtful to reply with, eh?
The criticisim should not be levelled at the in-show content at all. I am not saying the Doctor should "deal with gender issues" in the stories. Quite the opposite, that'd just prove the point of all the critics saying this will ruin the show.
I am saying that the selection was a deeply problematic one with an un-acknowledged heteronormative bias. The casting of a female to play an unavoidably transwoman role is discriminatory and alienating.
What's annoying people about this new doctor isn't that she's a woman. It's that she's a woman now. If the doctor was to change into a woman back in 2009 then no one would care. But because all this social justice shite has cropped up in the past 5 years this female doctor is obviously nothing but a cynical net set out to catch the feminists who won't even watching the show after they watch 2 episodes and see they don't even like sci-fi. Also Steven Moffat can suck a dick.
>>739163658 >If the doc were a transsexual, that would imply that she either >A) Already possessed a strong desire to become a female before the most recent shift or >B) Have INTENTIONALLY gone through the transformation with the intent to take on a female form.
Literally both of those things have / will happen. Doctor has previously "wanted to be female or ginger". And the next regen will be intentional. Just watch.
>their gender identity never differs from their actual sex. That is literally the problematic part. It is heteronormative. Even though the Doctor has been male and now transitions to identify female, they are ignoring the transition (in the casting, not the show), by casting a cishet white woman to the role, not a transwoman.
Nice how the sexists keep moving their goalposts every time they let one in. Previously it was "different entities; not trans". Now it is "Same entity with memory retention, but that doesn't count".
Interesting to see which corner they paint themselves into next.
The real crux of this is the annoyance our generation is starting to feel at companies when they make these changes of race, gender or w.e because we have become so familiarized with the fact that it is done simply to sate the desires of a small minority of person vs the majority mention it feels fake when these changes are decided and forced through simply vecause execs want to look inclusive. Do i care the doctor is a woman? No. It does bother me howeveelr that with the show struggling they went into casting with a mindset that eliminated 50% of all the canidates simply of the aforementioned desires to create a public image concurrent with the most vocal portions of our current society. In short people arent mad at jodie they are mad at execs that think breathing life into a show on requires that you throw in a few extra minorities or women and think well that fixed it! Also when a show has mantained an contionous theme of having a male role portray the doctor its odd to switch that up. It would be like changing the gender of bond it in reality does nothing to expabd or enhance the character because there is no real difference between if its a man or a woman and a change like that alone isnt what will save this show. Butts cause i love u anons
>>739164076 >last 5 years lol it's been going on on the show since Rose had to have a black boyfriend (along with damn near every other girl on the show) and the doc had to become a sexless emasculated beta fag because thats how the Beeb sees the role of white males.
>>739164265 Same. Haven't watched it in years. Won't until Moffat is gone and the next crew figures out that they need to completely gut the timeline to unfuck the story and characters and open it up to independent sci-fi writers like a proper serial to keep it from getting stale.
>Doctor has previously "wanted to be female or ginger".
I don't watch the show at all because it's garbage, so there's no way I could have known that. Even then, a passing, "wanted to be female" [for a being that re-rolls it's stats on the regular, including sex] wouldn't be an unusual thought. The fact that it wasn't intentional [this time] still proves my point.
And who gives a good goddamn if the actor themselves are trans, EVEN IF THE CHARACTER IN QUESTION IS TRANS? If there were a trans woman playing a heterosexual, cis-gendered female, should people care?
No, because it's fucking acting, you morons.
>acting: the art or practice of representing a character on a stage or before cameras
Which means the character themselves determine everything, not who's fucking playing them.
>>739164663 I don't even care about what bond looks like. I can entertain the notion that new people get the designation of 007 when the old one gets shot/eaten by sharks/drown in gold/whatever, and their replacement takes on the agent name of James Bond.
What I can't forgive is ditching the fucking gadgets and humor, and turning the only unique and interesting action/suspense serial that combined brains, brawn, and technological innovation into a single fucking winning combination, FOR another watered down, featureless, choreographed martial arts demo. Literally all that's left of Bond at this point is a musclebound cop and a hacker nerd telling him where to stand and who to beat up. I mean this is shit.
>>739158191 We must do something. This is something. Let's do it. They couldn't perhaps try more innovative writing, less sombreness, less PC bullshit? No, let's do more PC bullshit, hire a totally unknown female lead (thus destroying the character, unless you are one of these subhuman gender is only a social construct pieces of garbage) and give the bird to the fans.
>>739157814 Stop being butthurt over nothing. I didn't see you bitching when futurama did a r63 episode don't be a retarded over a choice that won't make any difference. Clara as a character was a worse choice than this.
>>739159925 Doctor Who is already an infected PC cesspit. THis has absolutely killed it stone dead. Ratings will tank. Why must every bastion of maleness be subject to attack? Why can not a single male character in popular culture not be subject to this relentless PC assault? SJWs need to die
>>739160754 Oh what utter bullshit. DW is totally obsessed with gender and ruining good characters by turning them female, and by making 'fucking white males' either cannon fodder or nonexistent. I hate SJW trash and tumblrinas with a passion, they make me sick. Male values were what made our societies great. There should be room for at least some quality male characters on television. Already male human characters are virtually excluded from a show originally targeted at boys. You make me sick you filthy degenerates
>>739162026 No fucking evidence that Time Lords could regenerate cross gender you fucking shitlord before that worker of darkness Moffatt took over. Even that barely male RTD didn't try this putrid shit. Please kindly kys
>>739160515 I can't wait for them telling us every episode that The Nurse is a female. "Oh tehe, I'm a woman." "Just a quick reminder, I'm a woman and so much smarter now." "Oh you boys, I'm a woman." "Woman woman woman!!!!" I hope they bring the doctor back once the nurse fails.
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