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TLDR; you can't.

The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

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TLDR; you can't.
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Nazis were building rockets, jet engines, and advanced weapons while Moa had the bright idea of killing all sparrows, rats, flies, and mosquitos severely damaging their ecosystem causing locusts to destroy all their crops causing everyone to die
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>make everyone equal(ly poor)
>kill everyone you don't like
Sounds different to me.
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TLDR; you can't.
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>>738932041
eeeyuppp
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>>738930653
Yeah pretty well known, who's disputing this?
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I can't prove anything to OP because you can't explain things to close-minded idiots.
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>>738932041
this is more true than what the OP put up
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>>738930653
they are almost opposites in economics

communists essentially ignore incentive and try to make everybody receive the same compensation for differing contributions to society

fascists typically highly reward those who are already near the top of society while trying to get rid of the scum at the bottom of society
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>>738932964
don't waste your time, OP's mind is as rigid as our erections.
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>>738932639
Nazism and Stalinism/communism is bad does not mean Nazism = Stalinism/communism
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>>738932041
>OP
>Filipino man crowned Mr. Gay World 2017
Sounds right.
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>>738930653
>tpw you see one of sargons videos and instantly become a red pilled intellectual with a mind for politics unlike the world has ever seen.

Nietzsche, Mises, Socrates, on your bikes, we don't need novices when we got an OP so brilliant.
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>>738933659
>OP's filipino boyfriend confirmed
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>>738930653
if "thing" means "a pathological ideology that must be avoided" then yes, they're the same "thing"
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>>738934116
I was ripping on him if you couldn't tell
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>>738930859
Not to mention Soviet Russia's technologies were based off Nazi's designs, if not they couldn't even compete with the United States during the space race.
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ugh. low level bait
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>>738930653
one focused on authoritarian fascist beliefs and the other focused on authoritarian communist beliefs

also they went to war with each other
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>>738930653
one government killed almost exclusively their own people
one government killed anyone they felt like

somewhat different, I'd say; both bad.
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>>738934880
USA's technologies were based off Nazi's designs too
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>>738932772
topkek
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>>738930653
Not the same, Nazis where the good guys anon.
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>>738935665
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>>738932964
>"communists essentially ignore incentive and try to make everybody receive the same compensation for differing contributions to society"
You have literally no idea what you are talking about
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>>738936406
Simplified but still pretty accurate, sounds like you are the one who knows nothing fucktard
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One was made by a racist and the other by an austrian who served in ww1.
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>>738930653

Nazism = Fascism = full-scale Authoritarian. Authoritarian = far right.

Communism = socialism = government provision.
Communism = far left.

They are two OPPOSITE sides of a wide expanse of the political spectrum. They are NOTHING alike.
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>>738937976
In this case though, the extremes kind of touch. There's a wide range of positions of fascism and communism that result on the exact same consequences.
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>>738930859
THIS
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>>738938089
The soviets raped german women because they say that in bombed out german cities their standard of living was still higher than their shit farm villages and had a inferiority complex
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>>738931632
Both socialist ideologies

Both have a habit of killing their own citizens in huge numbers.

Sounds same to me...
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>>738938362
Men in war are thirsty for pussy, can't go fucking men when you're a straight soldier.
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>>738937976
Authoritarianism is not exclusive to the right Brochevski. Go farther left or farther right and you get more authoritarian as you go.
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>>738937976
Nope.

Nope. Nope. Nope.

Communism is as far left as it gets.
Anarchy (no government at all) is as far right as it gets.

BOTH Communism and National Socialism (Nazi'ism) are Leftist/Socialist government models -- as if the name "National Socialism" isn't enough indication -- they're both founded upon the ideology of the all-powerful state having the power to dictate economic, social, and moral attributes of society. The differences are in scope and methods, not the underlying faith in total government authority and power.

FWIW, homosexuality was illegal in both Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.
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>>738937976
Have you ever heard of the horse shoe theory?
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>>738932964
>Nazis
>Fascists
No, Nazis reward white people and prize high performing white people.
Fascists do what you did while ensuring a social hierarchy remains in place.
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>>738937976
>Nazism
>Fascism
Incorrect.
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Communism Does not Equal Facisim
Done i win
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>>738939764
Neither does Nazism.
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>>738930653
Watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxpIsep4160
Zionists should be executed.
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>>738934771
You are fucking retarded
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>>738940046
They really are both trash though. I'm disgusted that so many people seem to think communism is good or even possible without a god damn hive mind.
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>>738939186
Anarchy is left not right, just like ever other retarded ideology
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>>738930653
Tl;dr
You gotta prove it first. Also all the gaydos who call Nazism Fascism need a headcheck. Those two are seperate.
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>>738930653
National Socialism is still socialism. Altho' the first isn't interested in changing the capitalist order, just make it exclusive to a certain race/class/nationality.
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>>738930653
Well lets see:

Communists:
>Ban religion or promote a single religion.
>Kill anyone of a different religion.
>Kill the elderly once they are no longer useful to the state.
>Kill the handicap and abort future ones.
>Treat all races the same.
>Led by a small group of elites and their families throughout generations.
>State owns everything.
>No middle class allowed and there is the elite upper government class and everyone else at the bottom.
>Encourage less children.
>Importation of other peoples is encouraged.
>Only press allowed is government.
>Take all the money from the upper and middle classes to give to the government.
>Destroy all culture as it divides people like religion.

Fascism:
>Promote various religions as long as it advances the race and doesnt harm the state.
>Allow elders to retire.
>Abort handicap and experiment on those already around.
>One race reigns supreme above all others.
>Everything the state does revolves around helping the race.
>Sterilize those with undesirable genes and encourage them to adopt.
>Group of government elites rotates. Mixture of all classes picked each generation to lead. Leaders selected on merit rather than class.
>Goods for goods trading with other countries rather then using currency.
>Encourage more children through a reward system.
>Importation of other peoples is rejected.
>Actively fund the advancement of technology and science to advance the race.
>Build country through its own people rather than exploit foreigners.
>Heavily tax the rich to help the country during economic crises. Those who volunteer are then rewarded with government contracts during times of economic revival.
>Government and civilian press allowed. Civilian press will be destroyed if it actively defies the government however. Neutral and slight defiance acceptable.
>Force people of all classes to interact to foster brotherhood among ones race.
>Promote the culture of ones people such as funding art and architecture.
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>>738938089
Do you actually know what communism is?.I think you are actually retarded.Read the communist manifesto, seriously, communism has nothing to do with fascism or right wing ideologies
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>>738940426
The Nazis actually were less interested in a class system.
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>>738938417
You must be seriously retarded
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>>738940517
But more interested in race and nationality. And keeping the big capital, thats why germany tooj help from foreign big companies in their war effort. Basically; Hitler was shit scared that things would change, and acted accordingly.
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>>738939186
What the actual fuck are you talking about nazis killed German commies they had nothing to do with socialism they actually had a capitalist economy, a very protectionist one, but a capitalist one nevertheless. And since when the fuck is anarchism a right wing ideology?
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>>738930653
Depends OP, what do you mean by Communism? If you mean Soviets and Gulags then it isn't Communism, it's Authoritarian Socialism. Communism is society devoid of governments, money, or social class. Basically a bunch of people who work for free, live for free, and any decision is made democratically. Democratically in this context does not mean parliament or electoral college either, it means every fucker on the block has a say, and the majority opinion wins. So, they're different.
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>>738940443
You're a faggot, this debate is with Nazism, not Fascism.
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They are basically the same, hitler's inspiration was mussolini, the founder of fascism, nazism is basically a form of fascism that adapts to Germany and also inspires in some of nietzsche's ideas.its far less retarded than saying that communism and nazism are the same
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>>738941124
Nazism is pretty similar to Fascism except that they have an imperialist attitude that involves conquest of more land for the race. That and going straight for the Jews for controlling everything.
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>>738941284
Similar=/=Same.
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>>738930653
Its the same shit in a slightly different versions. I'd take national socialism any day before communism. at least it killed far less people and those who got killed mostly weren't of german nationality. so.. why would i choose a comunism for my own country where i will probably be the one targeted
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>>738930653
ITT: dumbs defending dumb ideas. only american democracy is pure.
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>>738939186
pretty sure anarchy is left as fuck
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>>738940934
I agree with you in most of the things you said but you're kinda describing anarchism not communism, but hey I think you are one of the least retarded people here anon
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>>738941419
>Communism
Kek ok child
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>>738941539
Communism and Anarchism have a lot in common, but they differ on several points as Communism is meant to be a stateless form of pure Socialism. Life lived communally where the workers own the means of production, and property doesn't exist, stuff like this.
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>>738934880
Because our 'space technologies' were based on having more Nazi scientists.
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>>738941419
Yeah bro as we all know communism killed 3.5 billion people and counting to this day nazism just killed 6 million so actually the USA should have made an alliance with the nazis to fight the commies. Well too bad the war is over:(.
Mfw you are so retarded you actually fascinate me
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>>738941931
>he thinks the Soviets were communist
HUEHUEHUWHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE
I'm tittering infant, truly tittering at such naive writings I nearly shat myself.
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>>738932041
op is right , you´re all just a bunch of fags and niggerlovers
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Not to forget. Capitalism is also responsible for hundreds of millions in casualties around the globe and has kept to date around 1 billion people in slums.
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>>738930653
One is global jewish rule and deliberate retardation of people, technology, and society. The other is against global jewish rule.
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>>738941549
Whats so funny about the most murderous system on the planet?
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>>738940443
>Fascism:
>>Promote various religions as long as it advances the race and doesnt harm the state.
>>Allow elders to retire.
>>Abort handicap and experiment on those already around.
>>One race reigns supreme above all others.
>>Everything the state does revolves around helping the race.
>>Sterilize those with undesirable genes and encourage them to adopt.
>>Group of government elites rotates. Mixture of all classes picked each generation to lead. Leaders selected on merit rather than class.
>>Goods for goods trading with other countries rather then using currency.
>>Encourage more children through a reward system.
>>Importation of other peoples is rejected.
>>Actively fund the advancement of technology and science to advance the race.
>>Build country through its own people rather than exploit foreigners.
>>Heavily tax the rich to help the country during economic crises. Those who volunteer are then rewarded with government contracts during times of economic revival.
>>Government and civilian press allowed. Civilian press will be destroyed if it actively defies the government however. Neutral and slight defiance acceptable.
>>Force people of all classes to interact to foster brotherhood among ones race.
>>Promote the culture of ones people such as funding art and architecture.


Describes National Socialism to a tee.
Calls it "Fascism".
Explanation: either too much meth, or Sage ate his brain.
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>>738930859
you mean that dumbass giant gun when they werent prepared for the train gauge in russia lol. they were a joke. if they had committed those recources to heavy train loaders they would have conquered moscow.
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>>738941767
Well that's kinda true but the main difference between anarchism and communism is that anarchism is stateless, while communism requires a state.And the no property thing is basically referring to private property(means of production first example), which in communism would be public and owned by the workers(meaning that the workers wouldn't have to pay to anyone to use those means of production) but in communism the state would put taxes on their salaries to be able to pay for other public services(health care, education...) in anarchism that last thing wouldn't happen because there is no state. But coming back to the property thing you can still have personal property (your fucking toothbrush, TV and bed wouldn't be owned by the state) I just say this because it's a common misbelief to think that everything is everyone's property and you need to give your fucking comb to your grandpa Eugene because he does not have one.
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>>738941124
>You're a faggot, this debate is with Nazism, not Fascism.

But most stupid fukks think they're the same -- they couldn't even attempt to describe the fundamental differences...
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>>738942059
I was just being sarcastic about the guy I was replying to the soviets weren't fucking communist and they didn't fucking kill 3.5 billion people retard
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>>738942424
Because, never since inception to right now has Communism ever existed beyond words on paper and small underground collectives of wishful thinking. Soviets, Year Zero, Khmer Rouge, Viet Cong and NVA, Somalia, 26 of July movement, none of it was Communism; it was all bastards who hijacked an agreeable name and did unspeakable things to expand ultior motives, motives created by lust for power.
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>>738938417
the NSDAP wasn't actually socialist.
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>>738942642
Well you are so mentally retarded you can't even tell the difference between communism and fascism or nazism(which is actually based off Italian fascism btw)
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>>738930653
This is what happens when your children spend too much time on the internet.
Shit thread. For a minute I thought I was on /pol/
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>>738942580
Incorrect, the founders of Communism Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels expressed in the Communist Manifesto that the society be classless and stateless, and going one up in eliminating money. The only time Communism requires a state is to ensure the security of the budding society remains undisturbed by counter-revolutionary forces while they dismantle capitalist systems until it then sufficient to enstate true Communism, which is the classless stateless society I previously described.
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>>738941173
>hitler's inspiration was mussolini, the founder of fascism,

LOL

Fascism is a lot older tham Mussolini, genius. Evey kingdom of the ancient world was a fascist dictatorship. Think about that for a moment.
"Fascism" is just a new label for a very old fact of life.
And Hitler wasn't a 'Fascist' - his platform was National Socialism.

"National Socialism", not "National Fascism".
Stupid Murkan fukkers goet the worst lessons in history -- their history classes are nothing but propaganda about how great 'murka is, and fukk the rest of the world. Sad thing is, they're all so dumb that they believe it without even the hint of a question. It's pathetic.

Fukk you, all you 'Murkans out there -- <<<you>>> are the Fascists. And Hillary wanted to be the queen fascist, but Drumpf got the crown instead.
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>>738942807
and now it exists in the idea of burning cars and rioting by young spoiled brats dressed like isis on streets. A promotion no sane person will ever follow.
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>>738941443
>ITT: dumbs defending dumb ideas. only american democracy is pure.
>>738943082
>Stupid Murkan fukkers get the worst lessons in history -- their history classes are nothing but propaganda about how great 'murka is,

See what I mean?
Stupid 'Murkans and their propaganda. Fukking fascists and don't even know it.
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>>738942875
>Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei
It's in the name, but then again people use the word "liberal" all the time to describe some of the most illiberal people in the country.
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>>738943108
Agreed, it's safe to say communism is unlikely to ever become a successful society.
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>>738943196
exactly, it was socialist in name only, just like most if not all "communist" regimes are communist in name only.
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>>738942807
Well they were on their way to communism and the socialism they had actually brought incredible advances to the societies of those countries. Cuba for example has a 100%alphabetization rate and they have just the resources of their fucking island so I think they're way better off than if they hadn't had socialism. You can't just fucking talk about the bad things you cunt.
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>>738943082
Lmao
So you call me retarded for confusing nazism with fascism and then go and call monarchies fascist dictatorships.lol you must either be kidding or mentally retarded
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>>738943326
No sense in reading if you can't eat.
[spoiler] cherry picking does no favors.
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>>738943196
They killed the fucking German commies goddamnit how tf can people actually think they were socialist. And please don't call commies liberals it's kinda offensive liberals are fucking retarded
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>>738930653
Prove you wrong? History can do it. They are only the same in level of being power hungry and arrogant. I would never want to be ruled by Putin, but if I had to pick either Putin or Hitler as my leader, Putin would be my fearless leader hands down. At least Putin is almost as smart as he is cunning, Hitler had neither. Putin is also far more reluctant to horrible crimes against humanity.
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>>738930653
>The main similarity is "Workers gain control of means of production."

>The main difference is within Fascism, the workers give their labor to the Country - hence the importance of Nationalism

>Within Communism, the effort is placed upon relative community. This extends beyond the notion of "Nation".
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>>738930653

Hitler took a loan and decided to not pay it back, he made germany great again, everyone had work, then came angry jews.
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>>738943663
Not that guy, but so are commies.
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>>738943561
Well my mother lived in a fucking socialist regime and surprise surprise she had fucking food and actually did pretty well and so did all the fucking people she knows and she's actually anti-communist so don't talk about things you don't have any fucking idea of
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>>738943878
Poland?
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>>738943878
>my mother
Stopped reading.
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>>738943663
Where did I call commies liberal? Honestly, you're probably one of those people I was talking about. Pretty much nobody knows what an actual liberal is these days. Commies are trash btw.
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>>738930653
Damn nigga just stole my philosophy from the last nazi thread
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>>738944006
Romania
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>>738943690
>putin
>communist
How did you reach this conclusion? Putting all the power in (relatively) nationalist oligarchs sounds a lot more like fascism than communism to me.
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>>738943315
Bruh, if Communism has the word "regime" next to it, it's not Communism.
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>>738944022
OK then fucking replace my mother to all the fucking people I know in Romania who now are actually liberals you dumb cunt
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>>738944170
is there an echo in here?
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>>738944071
Well or socialists whatever there's really no point in arguing about that
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>>738943196
I suppose the democratic people's republic of korea is democratic, cares about its people and is a republic then.
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>>738944207
>I know
Stopped reading.
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>>738944323
Well it has no resources to sustain itself because it's incredibly fucking small and it's that or letting all fucking major western corporations enter and exploit it's people so either way they're kinda fucked. I would like also to point out that you shouldn't believe each fucking thing western media says, I mean according to Western media isis was just a Pacific opposition to assads regime
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>>738940033
Can't watch in Germany, fuck ZOG...
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>under direct, constant threat, overt and covert, military and economic, from the biggest power on earth
>create massive counter intelligence network and have a large standing army to ensure survival
>gets called an authoritarian regime for trying to stay alive
пиздeть блять
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>>738944593
Kim il sung has no excuse for turning the country into an hereditary farce and spending more resources in the military than in civilian infrastructure when it was bordering both china and the ussr, especially after they've shown to be willing to protect it from foreign aggression.
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>>738944323
Did you read past the 7th word?
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>>738944356
Well then fuck statistics fuck arguments and fuck people heil 'murica. Lol hitler will come some day on the back of a dinosaur and save western civilisation lmao fucking commies they retarded lol I hope hitler sticks his dick up my ass
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>>738944994
That's true I don't like it's leaders or the "democratic" system they have either
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U hungry boi?
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>>738930859
>>738932041
110% true
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>>738945128
Not my fault you keep falling into pitfalls that invalidate arguments.
>My mom
>People I know
And shit like that don't support supposed boons of an Authoritarian Socialist regime. Especially considering I was telling some faggot such regimes aren't technically Communist to begin with no less.
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>>738930859
China was also a medieval shithole before the commies took over, which is incidentally true for every country that got taken over by commies and "suffered" tremendous advance in standards of living. Furthermore, targetting pest to increase food production is hardly retarded. What's retarded is to fail to do research beforehand and killing all the sparrows holy shit what the fuck mao you had one job jesus fucking christ
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>>738945483
Fuck it's just I didn't wanna go and search for statistics but you aren't using arguments either I mean you just said that socialist countries didn't have food based off of nothing, but you don't need solid arguments I need to go and fucking show you statistics lmao
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>>738945617
Yeah they actually had periodic famines before communism
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>>738939186

1. Anarchy is the leftmost extreme, not right. Fascist despotism is the farthest right.

2. Nazis had NOTHING to do with socialism and they were 100% right wing. They CALLED themselves soshlizst to make the people think they weren't as extreme as they actually were.

The Nazis began far right and moved further right when they gained power under Chancellor Hitler, who used them as the early strong-arm of his rise to power.

They are exactly as socialist as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democracy of and for the people.
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Does famine invalidate ideologies? Should we condemn the unwilling or the unable?
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>>738939227

It's retarded bunk.

>what is the logical fallacy of Appeal of Moderation?
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>>738945741
>he hasn't heard of the Holodomor
I was reasoning at your level as a direct criticism, the "can't eat" bit was in reference to the Soviet made famime known as the Holodomor, which killed many people in government made starvation. That was in response to you insinuating Authoritarian Socialism is good because 100% of people living in Cuba could read, which isn't much of an argument if at all. That being said, I'm not arguing with you, I'm telling you why you're wrong because you never were actually arguing to begin with.
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>>738939718

Wrong.
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>>738946187
kulaks deserved worse
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>>738946200
>trying this hard
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>>738946330
Actually yes
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>>738940046
crawl back into the heap of trash you came out of
in the case of another national socialist or communist regime you'd be one of the first to visit the gulag or concentration camps, so count your blessings
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>>738946187
Well I'm not saying that it was bad but it was not caused by stalin alone stalin cut the grain supply but before that there was a drought and the kulaks(basically Ukrainian fascists) started to hoard grain and kill farmers to make the supply even smaller to be able to sell the grain they had at a higher price so I'd kinda blame it on the fascists
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>>738946750
I'm pretty damn sure you would go to a fucking gulag for even thinking that socialism and nazism are equally bad
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>>738943196
>but then again people use the word "liberal" all the time to describe some of the most illiberal people in the country.
Exactly. Just like the "People's Republic of China" isn't really a People's Republic. Both countries were authoritarian shitholes though. But Hitler was a centrist, whereas most Soviets were at least left of center AFAIK. Libertarian Socialism is better than that Stalinist bullshit anyway tbh.
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>>738946550
This picture is too accurate.
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>>738930653
Asking for proof of a negative, that's a logical fallacy dipshit
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>>738932772
I have no idea why the fuck he would think this or how in the hell he would or could have come to this conclusion. what a faggot.
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>>738930653
>For starters, National Socialism is nationalist and communism is internationalist.

That's like a no brainer dude. Still in highschool or just stupid?
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countries are a mistake
borders are a mistake
a full globalistic and internationally free world is the future my dudes
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>>738930653
YOU CAN'T REAP A FEILD WITH A SWASTIKA FUCKWIT.
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