Nazis were building rockets, jet engines, and advanced weapons while Moa had the bright idea of killing all sparrows, rats, flies, and mosquitos severely damaging their ecosystem causing locusts to destroy all their crops causing everyone to die
>>738932964 >"communists essentially ignore incentive and try to make everybody receive the same compensation for differing contributions to society" You have literally no idea what you are talking about
Communism is as far left as it gets. Anarchy (no government at all) is as far right as it gets.
BOTH Communism and National Socialism (Nazi'ism) are Leftist/Socialist government models -- as if the name "National Socialism" isn't enough indication -- they're both founded upon the ideology of the all-powerful state having the power to dictate economic, social, and moral attributes of society. The differences are in scope and methods, not the underlying faith in total government authority and power.
FWIW, homosexuality was illegal in both Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.
Communists: >Ban religion or promote a single religion. >Kill anyone of a different religion. >Kill the elderly once they are no longer useful to the state. >Kill the handicap and abort future ones. >Treat all races the same. >Led by a small group of elites and their families throughout generations. >State owns everything. >No middle class allowed and there is the elite upper government class and everyone else at the bottom. >Encourage less children. >Importation of other peoples is encouraged. >Only press allowed is government. >Take all the money from the upper and middle classes to give to the government. >Destroy all culture as it divides people like religion.
Fascism: >Promote various religions as long as it advances the race and doesnt harm the state. >Allow elders to retire. >Abort handicap and experiment on those already around. >One race reigns supreme above all others. >Everything the state does revolves around helping the race. >Sterilize those with undesirable genes and encourage them to adopt. >Group of government elites rotates. Mixture of all classes picked each generation to lead. Leaders selected on merit rather than class. >Goods for goods trading with other countries rather then using currency. >Encourage more children through a reward system. >Importation of other peoples is rejected. >Actively fund the advancement of technology and science to advance the race. >Build country through its own people rather than exploit foreigners. >Heavily tax the rich to help the country during economic crises. Those who volunteer are then rewarded with government contracts during times of economic revival. >Government and civilian press allowed. Civilian press will be destroyed if it actively defies the government however. Neutral and slight defiance acceptable. >Force people of all classes to interact to foster brotherhood among ones race. >Promote the culture of ones people such as funding art and architecture.
>>738940517 But more interested in race and nationality. And keeping the big capital, thats why germany tooj help from foreign big companies in their war effort. Basically; Hitler was shit scared that things would change, and acted accordingly.
>>738939186 What the actual fuck are you talking about nazis killed German commies they had nothing to do with socialism they actually had a capitalist economy, a very protectionist one, but a capitalist one nevertheless. And since when the fuck is anarchism a right wing ideology?
>>738930653 Depends OP, what do you mean by Communism? If you mean Soviets and Gulags then it isn't Communism, it's Authoritarian Socialism. Communism is society devoid of governments, money, or social class. Basically a bunch of people who work for free, live for free, and any decision is made democratically. Democratically in this context does not mean parliament or electoral college either, it means every fucker on the block has a say, and the majority opinion wins. So, they're different.
They are basically the same, hitler's inspiration was mussolini, the founder of fascism, nazism is basically a form of fascism that adapts to Germany and also inspires in some of nietzsche's ideas.its far less retarded than saying that communism and nazism are the same
>>738941124 Nazism is pretty similar to Fascism except that they have an imperialist attitude that involves conquest of more land for the race. That and going straight for the Jews for controlling everything.
>>738930653 Its the same shit in a slightly different versions. I'd take national socialism any day before communism. at least it killed far less people and those who got killed mostly weren't of german nationality. so.. why would i choose a comunism for my own country where i will probably be the one targeted
>>738941539 Communism and Anarchism have a lot in common, but they differ on several points as Communism is meant to be a stateless form of pure Socialism. Life lived communally where the workers own the means of production, and property doesn't exist, stuff like this.
>>738941419 Yeah bro as we all know communism killed 3.5 billion people and counting to this day nazism just killed 6 million so actually the USA should have made an alliance with the nazis to fight the commies. Well too bad the war is over:(. Mfw you are so retarded you actually fascinate me
>>738940443 >Fascism: >>Promote various religions as long as it advances the race and doesnt harm the state. >>Allow elders to retire. >>Abort handicap and experiment on those already around. >>One race reigns supreme above all others. >>Everything the state does revolves around helping the race. >>Sterilize those with undesirable genes and encourage them to adopt. >>Group of government elites rotates. Mixture of all classes picked each generation to lead. Leaders selected on merit rather than class. >>Goods for goods trading with other countries rather then using currency. >>Encourage more children through a reward system. >>Importation of other peoples is rejected. >>Actively fund the advancement of technology and science to advance the race. >>Build country through its own people rather than exploit foreigners. >>Heavily tax the rich to help the country during economic crises. Those who volunteer are then rewarded with government contracts during times of economic revival. >>Government and civilian press allowed. Civilian press will be destroyed if it actively defies the government however. Neutral and slight defiance acceptable. >>Force people of all classes to interact to foster brotherhood among ones race. >>Promote the culture of ones people such as funding art and architecture.
Describes National Socialism to a tee. Calls it "Fascism". Explanation: either too much meth, or Sage ate his brain.
>>738930859 you mean that dumbass giant gun when they werent prepared for the train gauge in russia lol. they were a joke. if they had committed those recources to heavy train loaders they would have conquered moscow.
>>738941767 Well that's kinda true but the main difference between anarchism and communism is that anarchism is stateless, while communism requires a state.And the no property thing is basically referring to private property(means of production first example), which in communism would be public and owned by the workers(meaning that the workers wouldn't have to pay to anyone to use those means of production) but in communism the state would put taxes on their salaries to be able to pay for other public services(health care, education...) in anarchism that last thing wouldn't happen because there is no state. But coming back to the property thing you can still have personal property (your fucking toothbrush, TV and bed wouldn't be owned by the state) I just say this because it's a common misbelief to think that everything is everyone's property and you need to give your fucking comb to your grandpa Eugene because he does not have one.
>>738942424 Because, never since inception to right now has Communism ever existed beyond words on paper and small underground collectives of wishful thinking. Soviets, Year Zero, Khmer Rouge, Viet Cong and NVA, Somalia, 26 of July movement, none of it was Communism; it was all bastards who hijacked an agreeable name and did unspeakable things to expand ultior motives, motives created by lust for power.
>>738942580 Incorrect, the founders of Communism Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels expressed in the Communist Manifesto that the society be classless and stateless, and going one up in eliminating money. The only time Communism requires a state is to ensure the security of the budding society remains undisturbed by counter-revolutionary forces while they dismantle capitalist systems until it then sufficient to enstate true Communism, which is the classless stateless society I previously described.
>>738941173 >hitler's inspiration was mussolini, the founder of fascism,
Fascism is a lot older tham Mussolini, genius. Evey kingdom of the ancient world was a fascist dictatorship. Think about that for a moment. "Fascism" is just a new label for a very old fact of life. And Hitler wasn't a 'Fascist' - his platform was National Socialism.
"National Socialism", not "National Fascism". Stupid Murkan fukkers goet the worst lessons in history -- their history classes are nothing but propaganda about how great 'murka is, and fukk the rest of the world. Sad thing is, they're all so dumb that they believe it without even the hint of a question. It's pathetic.
Fukk you, all you 'Murkans out there -- <<<you>>> are the Fascists. And Hillary wanted to be the queen fascist, but Drumpf got the crown instead.
>>738941443 >ITT: dumbs defending dumb ideas. only american democracy is pure. >>738943082 >Stupid Murkan fukkers get the worst lessons in history -- their history classes are nothing but propaganda about how great 'murka is,
See what I mean? Stupid 'Murkans and their propaganda. Fukking fascists and don't even know it.
>>738942807 Well they were on their way to communism and the socialism they had actually brought incredible advances to the societies of those countries. Cuba for example has a 100%alphabetization rate and they have just the resources of their fucking island so I think they're way better off than if they hadn't had socialism. You can't just fucking talk about the bad things you cunt.
>>738943196 They killed the fucking German commies goddamnit how tf can people actually think they were socialist. And please don't call commies liberals it's kinda offensive liberals are fucking retarded
>>738930653 Prove you wrong? History can do it. They are only the same in level of being power hungry and arrogant. I would never want to be ruled by Putin, but if I had to pick either Putin or Hitler as my leader, Putin would be my fearless leader hands down. At least Putin is almost as smart as he is cunning, Hitler had neither. Putin is also far more reluctant to horrible crimes against humanity.
>>738943561 Well my mother lived in a fucking socialist regime and surprise surprise she had fucking food and actually did pretty well and so did all the fucking people she knows and she's actually anti-communist so don't talk about things you don't have any fucking idea of
>>738944323 Well it has no resources to sustain itself because it's incredibly fucking small and it's that or letting all fucking major western corporations enter and exploit it's people so either way they're kinda fucked. I would like also to point out that you shouldn't believe each fucking thing western media says, I mean according to Western media isis was just a Pacific opposition to assads regime
>under direct, constant threat, overt and covert, military and economic, from the biggest power on earth >create massive counter intelligence network and have a large standing army to ensure survival >gets called an authoritarian regime for trying to stay alive пиздeть блять
>>738944593 Kim il sung has no excuse for turning the country into an hereditary farce and spending more resources in the military than in civilian infrastructure when it was bordering both china and the ussr, especially after they've shown to be willing to protect it from foreign aggression.
>>738944356 Well then fuck statistics fuck arguments and fuck people heil 'murica. Lol hitler will come some day on the back of a dinosaur and save western civilisation lmao fucking commies they retarded lol I hope hitler sticks his dick up my ass
>>738945128 Not my fault you keep falling into pitfalls that invalidate arguments. >My mom >People I know And shit like that don't support supposed boons of an Authoritarian Socialist regime. Especially considering I was telling some faggot such regimes aren't technically Communist to begin with no less.
>>738930859 China was also a medieval shithole before the commies took over, which is incidentally true for every country that got taken over by commies and "suffered" tremendous advance in standards of living. Furthermore, targetting pest to increase food production is hardly retarded. What's retarded is to fail to do research beforehand and killing all the sparrows holy shit what the fuck mao you had one job jesus fucking christ
>>738945483 Fuck it's just I didn't wanna go and search for statistics but you aren't using arguments either I mean you just said that socialist countries didn't have food based off of nothing, but you don't need solid arguments I need to go and fucking show you statistics lmao
>>738945741 >he hasn't heard of the Holodomor I was reasoning at your level as a direct criticism, the "can't eat" bit was in reference to the Soviet made famime known as the Holodomor, which killed many people in government made starvation. That was in response to you insinuating Authoritarian Socialism is good because 100% of people living in Cuba could read, which isn't much of an argument if at all. That being said, I'm not arguing with you, I'm telling you why you're wrong because you never were actually arguing to begin with.
>>738940046 crawl back into the heap of trash you came out of in the case of another national socialist or communist regime you'd be one of the first to visit the gulag or concentration camps, so count your blessings
>>738946187 Well I'm not saying that it was bad but it was not caused by stalin alone stalin cut the grain supply but before that there was a drought and the kulaks(basically Ukrainian fascists) started to hoard grain and kill farmers to make the supply even smaller to be able to sell the grain they had at a higher price so I'd kinda blame it on the fascists
>>738943196 >but then again people use the word "liberal" all the time to describe some of the most illiberal people in the country. Exactly. Just like the "People's Republic of China" isn't really a People's Republic. Both countries were authoritarian shitholes though. But Hitler was a centrist, whereas most Soviets were at least left of center AFAIK. Libertarian Socialism is better than that Stalinist bullshit anyway tbh.
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