This report by the times only talks about data access and data manipulation not related to actual vote tabulation and there is no evidence that this data manipulation impeded anyones ability to vote.
Yes, this is news. That county's systems are a fucking failure and probably put in place by a highschool gym teacher who got elected to some position because of his football teams performance at state.
But it isnt some earth shattering news that vote counts were edited or democrats were prevented from voting.
>>736616985 Illinois, more than 90% of the nearly 90,000 records stolen by Russian state actors contained drivers license numbers, and a quarter contained the last four digits of voters’ Social Security numbers, according to Ken Menzel, the General Counsel of the State Board of Elections.
>In one case, investigators found there had been a manipulation of voter data in a county database but the alterations were discovered and rectified, two sources familiar with the matter tell TIME. Investigators have not identified whether the hackers in that case were Russian agents. So the alterations got rectified back then, and the hacker's affiliation remains unknown.
>>736617819 Nope, only two were Trump. But way to ignore "your sides" discretions to bash Trump. And thus, my original post. There were a few mexicans and libs arrested for voter fraud as well. Neck yourself. Three were arrested as part of a group and were Dems.
>>736617918 >do my research for me >so I can ignore it and make excuses as to why it's okay LOL no thanks. If you really cared, you would google it. But you don't, and that's why you won't. You would rather move goal post and cry, instead of being educated. Because opening yourself up to the fact that "your side" is shitty too, is too hard to accept.
>>736617939 and more: >Spokesmen for the House and Senate Intelligence committees declined to comment on the search for stolen data. No one contacted for this story said they had seen evidence that the stolen, private, data had actually made its way to the Trump campaign.
So, another fluke by butthurt liberals, or do you have more?
>>736614923 I love how even after the DNC was caught manipulating voting machines in a dozen states, you faggots are still desperate for Trump to be as low and pathetic as Hillary. You don't even care whether or not Trump is a good president, because you just want someone to prove he's more of a piece of shit than the person you voted for, so you don't feel guilty about your poor decision. Hillary lost because she was the least qualified, and you voted for her, which means you were wrong, but you're a big baby so you refuse to get over yourself. So now you try to hurl shit from your crib in the hopes that everyone is as shitty as you.
>>736618306 forgot about the 2nd sentence? >No one contacted for this story said they had seen evidence that the stolen, private, data had actually made its way to the Trump campaign. Do you accuse YOUR source of biased reporting now? Topkek.
"In one case, investigators found there had been a manipulation of voter data in a county database but the alterations were discovered and rectified, two sources familiar with the matter tell TIME. Investigators have not identified whether the hackers in that case were Russian agents."
This is how retarded conservatives are in this country. Every news article has to be an argument for something larger to them.
Hackers successfully accessed private voter info, which is fucked up all on its own, but to this dipshit if it's not being used as an attack on Trump or something, then it has no point and it's not even a story worth caring about.
>>736618647 "Congressional investigators are probing whether any of this stolen private information made its way to the Trump campaign, two sources familiar with the investigations tell TIME.
“If any campaign, Trump or otherwise, used inappropriate data the questions are, How did they get it? From whom? And with what level of knowledge?” the former top Democratic staffer on the House Intelligence Committee, Michael Bahar, tells TIME. “That is a crux of the investigation."
Spokesmen for the House and Senate Intelligence committees declined to comment on the search for stolen data. No one contacted for this story said they had seen evidence that the stolen, private, data had actually made its way to the Trump campaign."
Stolen information doesn't influence elections. I'm open to the possibility, yes, but your level of dishonesty (or ignorance?) shows that you don't really care about the truth, and would rather push your own political agenda.
>>736618818 >:'( still no source to back up what you are saying. Which is worse, listening to people based on their word, or making that person prove what they are saying is true. It's the first one that's the more idiotic idea
>>736618921 How would you suggest they prove it then? Call every person in the state and see if their vote matches? The hack is fucked up enough but you want to go down a road that doesn't hold value and you would most likely immediately disregard anyways
>>736618969 >literally could google it himself to confirm or deny >can't refute it because he knows it's true >refuses to google it so he can use a shitty excuse >as soon as someone posts links >he will complain about the site where the information is hosted Go away shariablue, you don't fool anyone anymore.
>>736618447 God forbid you liberal snowflakes do any research. Do you make all of your decisions based on your "feelings"? Move out of your moms, get a job and an apartment, and depend on yourself instead of mooching off of your parents. Before you know it, you'll be living in the real world, where you learn the facts of life, like; niggers are lazy, stupid and violent (obviously with a few individual exceptions, rarities), liberals are kids who live at home, mexicans are taking white teenager jobs, Bill and Hillary pieces of shit.
The world is not how your imagination wishes it to be.
>>736619083 I'm not sure I understand your third sentence there. Regardless, neither of the two sources you've leaked indicate that Big Bad Russia(tm) used any of the gathered information to influence the election. But you still push the claim that they did. Why? As rational individuals, we hold off on making brash, erroneous claims without sufficient evidence. Innocent until proven guilty; it's one of the virtues this country was founded upon, and you would do well to value it.
>>736619240 The websites you posted as an sources are not good ones. They are bias such as yourself. You need to walk in others shoes to find the answers you are looking for. The only one who is blue is u bro. Sorry but if I would punch u in your stomach you would throw up blue pills everywhere an ruin everything
>>736619346 >literally articles from dozens of other places when you google it >infowars wasn't even top 10 >ignores the facts because he doesn't like the site that posted them LOL called it. What they posted is public record. You don't have to take their word for it. This stuff is SUPER EASY to verify. Why are you so weak minded? I hate huffington post. But if they posted "James Jamerson was arrested for raping 30 kids" I could easily verify that. Jesus Christ, what is wrong with you people?
>>736619468 Its ok if Cali is blue because it will always be blue. Now a place like wisconsin that all of a sudden got aids and turned red.... There is the hack .... But Billeri didnt go to wisco to campaign
>>736619936 The left's claim is that Russia used some of the stolen information to influence the election, which would be a direct attack on a democratic election.
The evidence we've gathered so far doesn't indicate that. The only thing found, and it's shaky evidence, is that Russian state agents hacked voting records to gather voter information. Which is something every developed nation, including ourselves, does in every election around the world. Espionage my boy
>>736620081 >read one Wow. Good start. Do you literally just want me to spoon feed you your whole life? Tell you what, I will post sources that YOU find acceptable, if you tell me what they are. ONLY IF you also agree that you will ignore the bullshit personal fee fee's injected into the article.
IE: "XYZ was arrested for voter fraud, but because racism and xenophobia they HAD to do it!!!!"
>>736620171 They Sure do and I do agree this is extremely hard to prove but they got into every server so far that could influence the election. I'm not saying to revote or anything but trump is under investigation for money laundering with russia. So between this and the money laundering, we should be worried about future elections and who we pick
I didnt post any website, but I would recommend drudge report. Both conservative and liberal articles are posted daily, often arguing against the same subject. Essentially, you see both sides of the coin.
>conservatives research the coin.
>liberals take a bong rip and imagine stories about the coin. "Like, myan, you don't even know how evil and racist Trump and the republicans are, myan. Like, I heard from my dealer that, like, Trump grabs two scoops of pussy for dessert, myan. HE'S A FUCKING FASCIST, MYAN!"
>>736620382 As soon as the investigations come to a close, I am ready to accept any conclusion that the investigation comes to. Until then, I think it is HARMFUL to foster an aura of fear, hatred, and distrust towards one of the world's biggest nations. It's a scapegoating mentality, and I don't think it's healthy, especially until we have the conclusions to the investigations
>>736620483 Nope, nope, nope. You will just bitch about the site, and not the facts.You want to get....70% reliable information, head to voat.co, they generally provide sources and direct links. And when it's bullshit, it's almost always called out.
That being said, you tell me what sites you find acceptable, and I will link you shit. I'm not going to continuously link names of people arrested, just so you can shit on the website. Which is irrelevant. A super liberal site will post about republicans frraud, and a super conservative site will post about libs doing the same. The facts though, are the facts. And those can be found inbetween the personal conjecture in the article.
Hillary literally colluded to fuck Sanders, it doesn't matter what site you read, we have the emails. The fuckery is in the excusing away the behavior (lib sites), or making up the reasons the she did it (conservative sites).
>>736617916 It varies by state and all -- here, it is partisan. The governor appoints the majority of the elections board for the state and for each county. Governor is a partisan elected official. So the majority of each board is the same party as the Governor. A "watchdog minority" is from the other party -- they lose every vote, but at least can screech and holler if the majority actually breaks a law where they can see it.
Yeah, it's not the RNC and DNC, but it is operatives of the state parties.
>>736620711 Its bias of u to think liberals are all drug addicts. Murwanna is more a Republican thing now that Trumps in Office. But I do see your point about how Libs try and be cool tho.... That is what u wur trying to prove with the weed thing right, to connect with the younger crowd and stole votes an stuff?
>>736620870 You must see my skepticism, no? Ever since Jan. 1st the top headlines, the top narrative is that Russia meddled in the election - proven - but to help Donald Trump win - which is not proven. Donald Trump the cock holster for Putin, remember? That isn't informing the public, that is disseminating false information that isn't grounded in good evidence.
I don't accuse you of it; even if are someone who buys it, I wouldn't blame you. It's a normal human bias, to instantly follow conspiratorial claims. But we need the full conclusion to the investigation before we can really know :/
>>736621043 Define credible then. Because both sides say the "other sides" websites are all uncredible.
Thus, you need to learn to seperate fact from opinion.
J'quan was shot while entering a property with no warning by the home owner. He was probably just on his was home from church to apply for college.
J'quan a black male gang member was attempting to rob a poor white man who defended himself with his 2nd ammendment rights....
See, both are saying J'quan was killed. Then throw their own spin onto it. If I said "J'quan was killed", then you tell me what source you want, and I will link it. So you can see the facts, then let whoever you like to spin it the way you like.
>>736621256 Kekek this happens on both sides. Remember the death camps for obamacare? That's how politics is and it's a shit show. But we are in agreement with everything else you have said in the second paragraph
>>736621214 No, I'm telling you to list me the type or names of site you are willing to accept, and I will link proof of voter fraud reported by those sites (unless you give me one site that never reported on it). Give me a range of sites that you won't immediately ignore, and I'll post the proof. Since you refuse to do any digging yourself to educate yourself.
>>736621374 It sure does, and I would be entirely ready to dismiss such claims about Obama with the same incredulity and skepticism. I'm just trying to remain non partisan and approach the situation with level-headedness, especially when the claim/accusation is treason lol
>>736621634 THOSE ARE THE ONLY CREDIBLE SOURCES TODAY. YOU REFUSE TO CEPT THE TRUTH. an now you say Fox news isn't credible? What are an on for real? You probably only get your news from the Onion? Yeah just check
And I'm not saying ONLY dems do this. Both sides do. Which if you go back to my original post, I think people like OP are morons for ignoring PROOF of voter fruad and chasing tails for things they have no proof of. It's not like we caught 100% of people conducting voter fraud.
>>736622322 Can you personaly tell me where the voter frud is? There was just as much as the last 10 elections why is it such a big deal. THE MEMES were the Hack that changed the outcome of the Merika Lections.
>>736623019 IT doesn't collect, users post it. It's literally reggit without censorship. The info was found on the fucking link you click on. How stupid are you, seriously? And what unnamed sources? It's a reggit clone.
>>736623293 >2008 = 2016 Oh yes, there is no way these two years could have been any different at all. Not like they didn't redraw the electoral map or have any advancements in technology or anything like that. Shame on anyone who thinks these years are the same year
>>736623436 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, holy shit the straw grasping. Prove to me they fixed all the problems with voter fraud, then you have a point. Until then you are just refusing to accept real world facts.
>in 8 years we went from tens of thousands to millions of illegal votes >to ZERO!!!! >cuzzz 8 year technology!!!!
>>736623380 That's exactly what im saying you moron. You can't site reddit as a source because the source is what you click on to go to the real article. If you link reddit page without a source, then that's not a source. Of you link a reddit page with a time article or something like that. Then the actual source is the time article. Why beat around the Bush and have someone dig for the actual info instead of giving the actual page
>>736624017 I still don't even know what you're saying. Use reddit as a hub to get sources, I don't fucking care. But they censor information that you could have because of advertisers. They are a hub for information. It's a STARTING point for people to do some research.
>>736624098 You literally have no idea how statistics work do you?
The fact we had voter fraud in 2008 literally proves we had voter fraud in 2016 when you take into account we changed none of the procedure. That is statistics. Sorry you are too stupid to understand that, but it's fact. The total numbers may be different, but it proves it happens. And logic would say there was MORE fraud this time.
>republican threatens to deport illegals >build wall >stop welfare to illegals >and there are more illegals now than in 2008 >less illegals totally voted for a Dem because of this
>>736624289 ........WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!?!?!??!?!?! The posts have sources generally. You fucking read them and make up your mind. How god damn dumb are you? Are you literally just trying to mental gymnastics an argument because you don't have one and can't just let it go? I'm not saying there are no posts without direct sources, you are just arguing the dumbest fucking shit. I'm done responding to you.
ya show these guy c span,googles scewy headliner that denies the substance of gowdy;s exchange with jeh johnson,,it goes in the left eye,& out the right ear canal,u demdums are blind to the truth. like reasoning with a slot machine kill trump that's allt hey want to do
>>736624418 But there was 15 cases of voter mail frud. What's the big deal.... If these hackers stole info to use to influence the election they did a really shitty job of getting Hiller elected ! The "Russian " hackers didn't want trump in Office. Puttan makes this clear when he did the interview in his hockey romper. Russia didnt want trump in office..... Why are you fucktards not talking about this? Russian bussness men even have international law suites filed against trump, why u no talk about the shit that matters and instead talk about 15 people who fucked up there mail in ballots . clearly there is bias propaganda that is hidden in your views
>>736614923 The amount of Russian shills on 4chan make it impossible to talk about this issue. It's even worse because the legit Americans think that there is actually a legion of Trump supporters on this board when it's actually just a bunch of idiots parroting their Russian overlords.
We're currently being attacked by a foreign power in a way that we are neither prepared for or willing to handle. The president won't even acknowledge it despite every intelligence agency in the United States saying that it is happening.
I don't know if our country is lost yet, but we sure as fuck are not saving it.
>>736616985 >That county's systems are a fucking failure and probably put in place by a highschool gym teacher who got elected to some position because of his football teams performance at state. Keep your weird butthurt childhood trauma out of the thread faggot
>>736618072 Moderate here, why are you conservicucks such autistic, pro-government faggots anymore? Sjws were annoying as shit but then you came along and decided to eat and roll around their shit. Being the biggest retard isn't something to strive for, yet you're sprinting like you're at the special olympics
>>736618072 >Because opening yourself up to the fact that "your side" is shitty too, is too hard to accept. So you don't have a source burger? Is America a land where being the biggest retard makes you king of the hill?
i like trump. not because of his persona or his delusional MURRICA shouts, i'n not an amerifat so i don't care about this. but since this boss got elected, i collect mad cash from depots and fonds, because the whole world knows he literally doesn't care about his faggot voters but for money and that makes the market skyrocket. i love it. vote him again, so i don't have to work anymore, thanks.
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