Why do conservatives, right wingers or the altright hate Muslims so much when they basically share the same ideologies? >hate gays >hate trans >are racist >are supremacists >want women to have as little rights as possible
If America had an ISIS, it would be made up entirely of Trump Supporters. The altright and Muslim extremists are two sides of the same coin.
>>736510532 more important question, if the liberals are so keen in importing muslims and forcing everyone to accept refugees, why are they against conservatives then ? shouldnt they be supporting conservatives ?
>>736510532 Muslims don't have an 'ideology', the religion of Islam iself consists of battling, inconsistent factions and sects with contradictory views. So, speaking of ideology, imaginary 'Muslim ideology' is a product of concrete American ideology.
what is the oklahoma city bombing? what are abortion clinic bombings? who is repeatedly attempting to break in or shoot at the white house whilst the first african american president was in office? what are the rise in anti-government miltia's during the last presidency?
>>736510532 I'm not a conservative or religious. I stand against Sharia. I will kill anyone who threatens my life, my family's, or my closest friends and patriots. It is not for an ideology, it is about survival.
>>736511248 Which is weird, because Republicans hate the same things Mudslimes hate about America, except for some retarded ass reason Republicans keep voting to put the thing they hate most into positions of power.
>>736510532 >hate gays >hate trans >are racist >are supremacists >want women to have as little rights as possible
I mean there actually have been cases of Iron March fags converting to Islam because Islam is an anti liberal religion in the sense that it rejects physicalism as being the dominant mode of thought for a people. Islam is an Arabic Supremecist religion that preaches hyper violence and expansion, religiously prescribed lying (in many ways) and then there religious practices in certain middle eastern countries like
Which people today try to distance from Islam, but pederasty is technically halal in Islam. Although like any religion there has been disputes over this. In the Quran Mohammed actually alludes to the practice though I forget the verse
>>736510532 A Trump Supporter would not kill someone for being gay. ISIS would kill someone for being gay.
The subjective motivational set of ISIS is identical with the Quran and Trump supporters do not believe in all of the Quran. Therefore the ideology of some trump supporter is substantially different than the ideology of some ISIS supporter/member.
>hurr durr I will make vague general claims with absolutely no justification so people can't prove me wrong >fuck drumpf XD >no one would ever be able to deductively prove me wrong lol >>prove me wrong >doesn't even greentext right
/b/ has come a long way. Now people get paid for shitposting.
>>736511950 >a trump supporter would not kill someone for being gay Wrong. The KKK publicly claimed support for Trump, among other neo nazis. If given the opportunity, a Trump supporter would absolutely kill a homosexual, and many probably already have.
>>736511871 So in a sense, Islam is an ethno centric religion for Arabs with an Arabic mindset in it's religion. Religion is an expression of folk, and while many people do not like gays or the thought of egalitarianism the reasons why people disagree with that egalitarianism is different. Christianity is also an abrahamic religion, and what most people think of being the stereotypical conservative (the evangelical preacher guy) isn't the alt right. Paleocon maybe, but the alt right is an umbrella term for a lot of different fascists and Traditionalists.
>>736511936 Yeah, but you would think that after years of being subservant to corporate overlords who strip away state and constitutional rights they'd create their own party and just rule with the majority of America.
But then again, people who vote Republican are usually gump breeding mongoloids, so there's that.
>>736510532 You are correct sir, both are zealot fringe groups who despise a society which is increasingly becoming more and more secular. First, muslims made up of disenfranchised young people led by extremist groups like the taliban and al quaida under the umbrella of "ISIS", who successfully led revolutions in every secular middle eastern country. And now here in the US, with the alt-right and their man Trump, who instead of creating legislation that will actually benefit this country, only seems content to basically undo everything Obama did to simply appease them, the uneducated, disenfranchised, rural, blue-pilled sycophants that put him in office. So the fact that most of these people don't even really understand what ISIS is, what they stand for, or where it came from, I doubt they'll ever admit that in all honesty, they're the same kind of people.
Because conservatives in America believe in progressing technology and improving their lives over praying to a black tool shed five times a day. That's why we invented or mainstreamed every modern convenience as well as having a space program and those fuckers are still running around in circles like it's 1200 a.d. Fuck them and fuck you for even making a comparison.
>>736512366 Are you really going to deny that republicans haven't kill homosexuals before? Conservative Christians pastors literally go to Africa as missionaries and tell people that gay men need to be killed, and lesbian women raped. I'm not even bashing Trump here (he seems to be pretty supportive of LGBT), but republicans absolutely carry out hate crimes against homosexuals.
I wouldn't call myself a right wing person nor am I even American in the first place but TBH I'm just scared of the religion. The text it is based on allows itself to be misconstrued in ways that have caused so much harm in recent times. I'm not denying the fact that most Muslims are great people it's more that I fear for one of my close friends who is gay that some dude who has taken something out of context will throw him off a house
>>736512264 This. ISIS is a perfectly legitimate expression of islam. Nothing they have done goes against the correct, hierarchical reading of the koran or the hadiths. It's why islam has no place in the civilized West.
If the West stopped supporting Israel we would find ourselves as less of a target for terrorist attacks. If we stopped invading the region wvery few years it would also lessen the reasons for attacks against us. We're getting what we deserve.
>>736510532 So basically, "all dirty little bigots matter," OP? Including yourself Without even a basic understanding about Islam But you 4chan cunts have no understanding of any ethnicity or culture outside of drooling idiot white America sure, I guess it's consistent with most of you inbred fucktards and your ridiculous misconceptions.
>>736512538 >they come from the same source >therefore they must be the same You must be retarded. I should make this post very clear for you.
Let us assume that it is true that Judeo-Christian-Islam >come from the same region and have the same ancient religious origins.
Even if this is the case, what explains the differences between the doctrines of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam today? So, at this point you have two moves to make, namely the environment changed the religions, or the religions did not change.
If you choose the environmental change explanation, then your post becomes irrelevant.
If you choose The religions did not change explanation, then you will have to explain why each religion has a different set of holy books and why these holy books have vastly different content.
In short, it seems prima facie impossible that these religions are no different from one another.
>>736513067 >and yeah, Iraq before Bush WMDs That's the shit-kicker right there, a conservative US president declares war on a secular Muslim country with a thriving economy whose dictator banished the religious zealots to the desert with a little serin gas. That's what started the whole mess.
>>736510532 Because they are two different levels of extremes that have different tolerances of opposing views. The right wing in america doesn't try to silence free speech nor do they attempt to force anyone to do anything (kinda like the left has been doing) nor do they KILL IN THE NAME OF RELIGION (don't try to strawman by referencing some shit that happened centuries ago) We don't go to other countries, refuse to assimilate and demand to be able to operate outside of that countries laws and expect them to adhere to OUR culture.
If the right wing conservatives of america were as bad as you like to portray them to be you wouldn't of even of had the ability to post your shitty post without the fear of being rounded up by the government and put in a fucking work camp or just straight up executed.
False equivalencies everywhere and your post is propaganda
>>736511074 Yeah and murican insitutionalized jihad bombs schools, mosques and hospitals killing waaaaay more innocent ppl than 9/11 every fucking yearbut since they don't have the outlets and cool hollywood movies for it everyone forgets how fucking atrocious their lives are.
>>736513299 I used to have that opinion also. The fact is that almost that entire region is living in the stone age. They're barbaric and seek to conquer the world. The Muslims in London say that just as same as Syria or anywhere else.
>>736512974 No I don't know to much history I'll admit and Islam is most certainly not the only religion open to interpretation, Christianity and the KKK is an immediate example. My point is that misinterpretation of Islam in recently times has lead to terror an violence. With "The War on Terror" becoming an almost constant headline it's hard not to feel scared. What I will say is that's I didn't mean I'm scared of Muslims and Islam, I'm scared of those who take these beliefs to the extreme
A lion and an alligator may eat the same prey, they may both have sharp teeth, and they may have many similarities. The lion and the alligator can be okay with each other existing, as long as the lion remains in the plains and the alligator in the water. I know it's a shitty comparison, but fuck you.
Islam and the "alt-right" can have similarities while also being completely incompatible with each other. The main concern isn't that Islam exists, but that (((certain groups))) are trying to bring large numbers of muslims to America. That's like trying to put a lion and an alligator in the same cage. They both will act out of their own self interest, which will lead to conflict.
Basically, fuck you and your horseshoe theory bullshit.
>>736513398 They've actually never made a movie about 9/11, which is kinda odd considering the type of tragedies that get movies here. Shit just 3 years after Bernie madhoff was convicted of perpetrating the largest Ponzi scheme in America, possibly the world, a guy who basically created NASDAQ, right under the SECs nose, got an HBO special. Crazy times we live in.
Lol their government may be but their people are not. All of those are massive terrorist hot beds, Pakistan and Indonesia especially. Hell there were Indonesians in that rent ISIS storming of that city in the Philippines
>>736512691 Actually the full survey that Pew did, (and has done every year since) polls every major and minor Muslim country.
>>736513706 Lets talk about how universities across america (a place that should be reknown for the differences and exploration of ideas) are banning right wing conservative speakers from even setting foot on campus. Then get back to me about how the "right is silencing free speech"
>>736512632 >And now here in the US, with the alt-right and their man Trump, who instead of creating legislation that will actually benefit this country, only seems content to basically undo everything Obama did to simply appease them, the uneducated, disenfranchised, rural, blue-pilled sycophants that put him in office. So the fact that most of these people don't even really understand what ISIS is, what they stand for, or where it came from, I doubt they'll ever admit that in all honesty, they're the same kind of people
The amount of retardation in this post, first of the alt right disavowed Trump the minute he bombed the Russians, second of all the alt right has nothing in common with Islam besides being anti-liberal.
Jeez you might as well say the alt right are communists because Engels hated fags and Stalin had gays thrown in the gulag. I mean communists are anti liberal, so they must be Islamic alt right fags right?
>>736510532 im altright >i dont hate gays, Milo Jananapapalapplous is awesome >i dont hate trans, i just refuse to call them by their pronouns and i dont believe their ideology >im not racist, im meritocratic, its not my fault blacks and few other groups just cant compete with whites, i judge everyone individualy based on their merits. I refuse to give away help and my resources to people who cant support themselves. Thats it. >im not supermacist, i dont care who rules as long as they rule well >i want women to have equal rights to men, but nowdays women have more priviliges than men, for example in my country i can retire 5 years later than a woman and i may be drafted into the army.
99% common beliefs about conservatives and right wingers are false and are based on political demonising tactics employed by corrupt left.
>>736513318 Not to say OP is right cause he is still a faggot and I think his post is bull shit, but the point is to say that those extremist populations that exist would likely be on the same level if they had control in the US. The psychopathic populations of both conservatives and liberals however, have very little control or influence over their party (except maybe the Hillary supporters). The only thing that really keeps those people from being violent is that we have a sane system of government with laws that they don't control. We have repercussions for actions and so they don't do anything because they'll go to prison, but they'll sure as hell scream and shout about doing it when they're angry. Really I think the discussion is that there are many hyper conservative nut jobs that would basically be ISIS if they had control over the country. Of course they don't go out in the streets slaughtering people they disagree with or despise, because they can't.
>>736514325 No your're not alt right, you what's called alt lite. You're that dyel faggot with the kekistani flag who is basically just a pro nationalist liberal.
The alt right was started in 2008 when people started to counter the mainstream right (which is essentially what you are, just the 2.0 version) that eventually took on the dark enlightenment and became a neo-fascist movement/ umbrella term for light Traditionalists.
>>736510532 Why do conservatives, right wingers or the altright hate Muslims so much when they basically share the same ideologies? >hate gays >hate trans >are racist >are supremacists >want women to have as little rights as possible
If America had an ISIS, it would be made up entirely of Trump Supporters. The altright and Muslim extremists are two sides of the same coin.
>prove me wrong As a conservative I don't hate Muslims I hate anyone who is radicalized. Whatever religion or belief system they hold dear is unimportant.
Do not hate gays. I do not hate Trans I want them to get the help they need.
I am not racist. I don't like bad people. Criminals. If they happen to be black that's not the issue.
I am not a trump supporter. I don't blindly follow a president because he agrees with a few things I agree with.
>>736510532 >hate gays They aren't throwing them off rooftops, they just don't want a couple faggots making out next to them >hate trans They don't want a tiny fucking minority of people to police their language >are racist Wouldn't say they share that with Muslims, since Islam is a religion, not a race. >are supremacists Meh, I'll just throw you a bone there. >want women to have as little rights as possible They not the ones stoning women who get raped.
So, I mean, you just really gotta decide which is the worse of the two evils.
>>736510532 I don't think you know what you're talking about here. For one, these alt-righters are probably good Christians, they are also probably the kind of people who actually have a pair of balls and don't need to make shitty posts on the internet bashing others in order to validate their pointless existence.
>>736512074 How many Americans have been killed since 1975 by Islamic terrorist groups? The question is rhetorical, but for the sake of argument, I've included a chart. And I can tell you that more people died in this country from choking on their food than did by any fuckin terrorist. What you're trying to imply is the same kind of bullshit we're fed by this liberal media you bluepilled fuckers keep pissing and moaning about. When was the last time anyone you personally know was killed by a jihadist?
>>736515500 That point isn't incredibly interesting, as we aren't their main target. We aren't their main target because there are countries closer to them that have incredible amounts of Islamic terror. To say it's not a direct threat to us now, and so it will never be a direct threat to us ever is ignorant.
>You know you are more likely to die of disease in war than bullets so don't worry about keeping your head down lmao
Yeah no that kind of argument is beyond retarded. The problem isn't just lone wolf terrorists it is permeantly shifting our culture into theirs which then begins to import more and more violence every year. Like in Europe, where most of the terrorists aren't refugees but sand niggers who were born and raised in the country.
Omar Mateen was one such person, and if we allow immigration to happen at all it is just going to get worse. The main modes of death are due to a failing society because of this multicultural bullshit destroying our own culture, group trust, and community in the name of importing new cultures here so some rich urbanite faggot can feel good about himself.
>>736515701 Idk man, I haven't yet but I'm pretty sure if I google the phrase I used to find that chart, but replaced the word Americans with people and added the word worldwide, I'm pretty sure more people are killed choking on their food than are killed by Islamic terrorism. I don't feel like it, but i would be surprised if that isn't the case. In the grande scheme of the world, with some near 8 billion people living on it, Islamic terrorism isn't the leading cause of death.
>>736515982 It's not an argument dumbass, it's a metric. Those are the numbers of people killed by shit OTHER THAN TERRORISM. The fuck is the problem? It's not an argument against situational awareness ya fuckin dipshit.
>>736516192 The alt right disavowed Trump after he bombed the Russians. The alt right opposes all the wars in the middle East wtf that's like their main talking point about how all of these oil wars are wars for ZOG.
>>736516166 Now you're just defecting to "people choke on food more," entirely? Okay, how do we prevent people from choking on their food? What exactly can we do about that? Not much. Islamic terror, however, we can make some sort of attempt at. If your argument REALLY is that people choke on their food more, so it's not a big problem, either find a solution to people choking on their food, or move the fuck on. This is pathetic. In 2015, there were 452 suicide bombings, resulting in 4,330 deaths. 450 of which were done by Islamic terrorists. That's a real problem, to which we can find a real solution.
There's a distinction, the left use fake news to mean "news I don't like." because they are offended little snowflakes. The right use the term to mean "news that is literally made up" There's a big difference.
>>736510532 jews tell americans what to do and what to think. jews hate Muslims because muslism basically stole 95% of jewish religion and called it their own. Aside from that they have some from that. Their aggressive non conformity and anti-free speech / free choice ideology
1. This thread is founded on fallacy and contains only fallacy and should be ashamed of itself.
2. Multiple things can be true at the same time.
3. Most of them don't hate gay people, they hate flamboyant asshats whose sexuality is their prime identity in life. The two often, but certainly not always, go hand in hand. If I met someone whose introduction was something along the lines of "Man, I sure love me some pussy", I'd probably try to distance myself from their vapid, meaningless existence ASAP.
4. Trans people are a non-issue, it's the self-proclaimed trans-activists that need Jesus.
5. Women in the South are some of the most empowered and respected women on the planet. Men and women understand their roles and do them well, without the confusion or lameness found in other demographics.
6. Have you noticed all the talk about the white race being bred out? Tell you what... put a spoonful of chocolate syrup in a gallon of milk and give it a good shake. The syrup is gone. The milk is as white as ever.
Where do you think the white people are coming from? It isn't the breeding of white people, it's the folding in of existing races. Breeding with blacks isn't going to make a dent in the white race, any more than Aborigines are going to breed out Australians; we get a tan while you get erased from history. Think about that the next time you watch Blacked.
>>736510532 As somebody who is conservative and now I speak for myself. I don't hate homosexuals, transsexuals and I'm definitely not a racist. This is probably just another bait thread but this is my few on this subject. I don't like homosexuality, but I don't hate people that are homosexuals. I can't understand transexuality and I can't even imagine in what conflict you should be when being in the wrong body. I don't hate people that are from another race or country, but don't draw the racist card unnecessary.
>>736516337 No you fucking moron, your argument isn't an argument. You are basically saying "oh we aren't in an all out war with an entire government so if we just adopted a few million refugees everything will be fine, just look how well europe is doin!
I mean sure there is a terrorist attack every week, growing racial and religious tensions , none of them work, none of them have anything in common with their historical nation, and there are massive problem with vandalism, theft, rape, murder, drugs, pedophelia cases that have been covered up by the police then uncovered like in Rotherham (and there is a lot more out there) but hey their main mode of death is still heart attacks!
Look, we are an aging and dysfunctional population we can't import million of these sand niggers and not expect conflict to arise. Want to know why the US doesn't have the problems of Europe with Muslims? Because it's actually hard to.immigrate here if you're a Muslim.
>>736516553 The reason why people are allowed to be fat retards is because no one tells then otherwise and their are far greater cultural issues that lead them.ti live such a life of sloth and lethargy.
>>736516550 By doing what exactly? Banning all muslims? We already have measures in place to combat Islamic terrorism but like all malice crime, bad things happen. Including choking on your food, which when it's your time to go isn't the most glamorous way to meet your maker, but does happen and is out of the control of most people it happens to. Beyond intelligence and surveillance, 4,000 people dying in terrorist attacks in 2015 is considerably less than in 1988.
>>736517151 It is actually okay that they kill themselves off. Maybe they'll just go extinct and in 20 years of them not having babies that live beyond 6 years, there won't be enough of them to be a real threat. Why do you think Assad and Russia are targeting schools in Syria? Seems like a pretty good strategy.
>>736517316 >>736517341 I agree. I'm saying the fact that they kill each Other is a good idea of why they shouldn't be welcome in western society at all. You would hope they just die out, but they're cockroaches. There is an endless number of them, they procreate with multiple women in various countries. The whole region would need to be isolated or wiped out.
>>736517021 Again, unless you have some form a solution to choking on your food, stop mentioning it. It's a useless number you're throwing out there to say, "Eh, bad shit happens." Yes, bad things happen, but this isn't a "bad things happen," scenario. This is a, "People are attacking other people, and this violence cannot be tolerated," scenario. Just because it isn't as large of a number as twenty years ago, again, has no relevance. I was just talking about one form of terror attacks, by the way. The actual death toll from terror attacks in 2015 is 28,328.
>>736517610 There's absolutely zero distinction between the word terror and murder dude, and plenty of people kill each other every year for any number of reasons. Religious zealotry is just one. And if you want to know how to prevent choking on your food, it's as simple as chewing before swallowing. People choke for any number of reasons though. So you see, one solution to a problem with multiple causes isn't going to fix anything my dude. I'm only using choking as an example because it continues to irritate you, but I stand by my argument.
>>736517616 I used the term "socialist revolution" because that's what it's called according to Marxist writing. In true [Marxist] Communism, the proletariat will naturally progress to eventually stage an uprising against the bourgeoisie in what is referred to as a socialist revolution. The revolution will dispose the government as well as the political power of the rich while the proletariat seizes the means of production. Afterwards, should the workers win, they will establish a temporary socialist state to combat counter-revolutionary forces trying to prevent the new free society from rising. After enough time passes and things like social class, money, and other forms of capitalism and social darwinism have been abolished, the socialist state will then become a communist society free of money, government, hierarchy, and so-on. Before you comment, no I am not a communist but rather a right-wing libertarian, but I've argued with enough communiggers to get an idea of the world they're striving for. So please, take your arrogance elsewhere.
>>736518159 I'm not as irritated by your choking analogy as you might think, because I think it makes you look like an idiot, quite frankly. That makes me happy. Now, you're suggesting that the number 28,328, the number attributed to deaths by Islamic terror is indistinguishable from the global murder rate? I thought you were going to make it hard to have you looking like the most ignorant person in this thread.
>>736510532 Yeah its called the KKK and btw Muslims hate them back. They hate each other because of one minor yet fundamental difference. Religion. Otherwise, they are very much the same. Radical, violent, stupid. Muslims rape more though.
>>736510532 I hate muslims because they are no better than animals.
For instance Muslim Imam was invited to speak to "Moderate" Muslims in Flordia in private religious gatherings at a mosque where he called for the death of gays... just before the Flordia Night Club shooting.
I could care less if a muslim is black, brown, white, or purple. They stand for hate.
The man they believe was a prophet from god was a murder and a pedophile.
They promote slavery, rape, and all that is wrong with the world.
I know many conservatives and none of them are out there promoting gays should be killed or women should be raped
They are animals and they should be put down like animals to the last child.
>>736518669 Out of 430,000 homicides that year, yes I'm saying that terrorism in its various forms where one person or a group of persons kills another person or group of persons is indistinguishable from one person killing another person for sleeping with his wife. I mean, you might think I'm an idiot but that's like, your opinion man. I honestly don't give a shit.
>>736518566 Funny, they think the same of urban loft dwelling craft beer drinking Prius drivers. However it isnt a rural thing exclusively. Since 14 the suburbs are becoming increasingly red. By the midterms next year the only place Dems will have left that is safe are the large cities
>>736518399 No he has it correct, liberals refuse to listen to anything but feelings and disregard all facts as blasphemy. Provide a leftists with facts and they resort to name calling, shrieking fake news, identity politics, and virtue signalling. And when they present their own "facts" they make no citations and when you refute said "facts" they resort to name calling, shrieking fake news, identity politics, and virtue signalling.
>Fox News is the only honest, balanced network >republicans are the best, democrats are stifling free speech >I love freedom, faith shouldn't be be ridiculed---only Islam not Judaism where newborns have their dick sucked that's anti semetic
>>736519106 >majority of population is left-leaning >but they're going to lose seats I'll bet. The only reason why the GOP has any power is because our electoral college system gives the most political power to those who deserve none. The rural filth.
>>736510532 Why are liberals so fucking retarded? Take OP for example thinks all conservatives, right wingers and alt right: >hate gays >hate trans >are racist >are supremacists >want women to have as little rights as possible
>Don't hate gays >Think trans is a mental illness...not homosexuality >Am raciest but not the hate kind..more like the make fun of other races kind cuz shit is true and funny >I'm not proud to be white. THe only thing that's made us this color is if our ancestors were born close to or farther from the equator >Women do need to understand they are below us on the food chain.
>>736519446 >they are opportunistic cowards >with NO god damn backbone
that's actually what i think about the majority of non-muslims, when i observe a decent muslims dedication to work, friends and family. they're so much better at all that than we are.
of course it comes with excessive social pressure and regressive morals, which 1st generation muslims imported from their countries. that lessens a lot in the 2nd and following generations, if the family is successful economically.
>>736519280 I think you're looking for fire where there is only smoke my man. There is only one thing murders and the people who commit them have in common, psychopathy. It isn't normal to kill other human beings no matter what you believe in and people who kill each other believe themselves above the same moral code that keeps the rest of us safe. My point has always been that more people die of other shit than Islamic terrorism and simply because a number of the total deaths in the world are attributable to that doesn't mean murder is indemic to Islam. I don't particularly like them either to be perfectly honest. I think the greatest threat we face in modern times is climate change. Don't get me started on that but you can't just ignore a genuine threat by calling attention to some other less significant threats because it fits the agenda of a bunch of closed minded people better than science.
The only way to bring the rural riff raff around to our way of thinking is to punish them for their stupidity. If you have any conservatives in your employment, fire them and hire no more. If you work with any, sabotage and undermine them so they get fired. Do not rent or sell homes to them. Do not engage with them in conversation and do not associate with hem. Do not send your kids to the same school as theirs and do not let them play together. Do not treat them as human and do not give them even the slightest aid or comfort. Ostracize them.
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