So, I'm a manager at a chain pizza place, and I have strong reason to believe one of the delivery drivers is drinking on the job pretty much every day. The thing is, he is one of our better workers, never fucks up, and seems perfectly fine. I normally wouldn't care if a crew member drinks as long as he does his job well, but this guy takes about 20 deliveries every day. Should I report him to the GM? I don't want to cost the guy his job since I like him, but I'm not sure if it is alright to just let him go on like this. Also, I have no idea how the fuck he acts so normal when he smells like a literal bottle of vodka.
>>736389891 well, its not only that he smells of alcohol every day. i have also gotten a call recently from some random person who said one of our workers was swerving on the road. (they described his car). On a separate occasion, I helped him take a large delivery to his car since there were like 30 pizzas, and I noticed a few empty bottles in his backseat. >>736389905 haha, i'm not really sure how i'd go about doing that. i don't even smoke weed.
>>736389758 >>736390113 Bring it up with him privately. Tell him you don't want to fire him because performance, but it's something you can't ignore because it'll be a problem if a customer reports it to customer service. (Case in point, random caller about his driving.) Also tell him there's insurance costs, potential legal liability and fines on both of you, stuff like that.
Those reasons should be enough to at least get him to rein it in enough to stop smelling like vodka, if he's reasonable about it. If he's unwilling, warn him that while you appreciate his work, you're not willing to put your ass on the line for a $50k fine if one of the aforementioned situations pops up and that you'll have to take it to GM. Also warn him that the fine isn't just to you the employer, it'll also be a fine to him the employee.
>>736389758 Nah please don't. Talk to him and ask him if he's going through something hard in his personal life. Be a good friend bro.
But if he doesn't stop in a week or two then maybe do something, but give him a chance bro. Be there for him and maybe you guys will end up good friends or something. Be that support that he might need or at least give him a chance for now.
Short version: Give him a warning and tell him to brood at home with alcohol.
>>736390226 he's been with us for about 2 years, so i've ignored it for a pretty long time. however, the random call from that person kind of freaked me out, and increased my suspicion of him. i always had doubts since he never acts drunk in the slightest. he gets about 30-39.5 hours a week, kek. its kind of messed up, but little caesars is cheap and doesn't give crew members full time
>>736390113 It is incumbent upon you if you're being serious to address the problem if he's swerving. He's actively putting people's lives in danger. Everyone has a right to do with their own body whatever they want - in my opinion, as long as the guy does his job well, he should be judged as an employee for his on-the-clock performance. But it crosses a line when he's swerving, because he's endangering other people.
I say you should: 1) Have a talk with him and explain he should stick to public transit. If applicable, say him even being drunk in public may be itself a crime (public intoxication, but that's not illegal in my state).
2) Explain that even you knowing about it puts you in a precarious situation. Almost certainly, your company's policy demands you to fire an employee on the spot in this situation. Even the fact that you're aware and not doing that puts your own job in jeopardy. Explain to this guy he should be grateful you're not firing him on the spot, and that he has to at least pretend he's not constantly drunk. He has to put some damn Axe spray on, get some Tic-Tacs, and at least God damn pretend he's a half-way normal person. Meanwhile, you have to play dumb about it all to protect your job.
>>736390311 haha just stop in a week or two?... alcoholics dont work like that bro, especially if hes onto hard liquor even with a good support from family and friends he cant just stop, withdrawals would drive him insane and possibly put him in the hospital depending how bad he is.. although i do agree you could try and talk to him maybe he has no one he can go to, then again some people really dont give a shit and wont help themselves until life hits them like a train and its too late.
>>736390388 Yeah, well bring it up to him. Say that people are reporting that he's driving like a drunk and that you guys can get fined heavily and that it can cost you your job too.
So ask him how you can help him to help stop drinking on the job?
Tell him to maybe go to a therapist if he drinks to calm his anxiety or something, he can get some medication like xanax to keep him not so edgy on the job, but tell him that he can't go on like this because you hate to see such a good worker go down the drain.
Be good to him, dont' report him for now...but if he won't change his tune in the next few weeks either tell him you have to report him or that he'll get fired and if he doesn't get the point then you gotta do what you gotta do.
You're a good man for considering this and not just snitching on him my man. Kudos to you. Bless your heart.
>>736390606 You'd be surprised to know just how many people come to work drunk or fucked up on drugs. It's like a third of all people, legal or illegal drugs or buzzed and you wouldn't know cuz coffee and gum and cologne.
Lol. Who cares. It's a fuckin corporate pizza shop. He's gonna drive drunk regardless of employment, and he can get a job at another pizza place in a day. If he's so far gone he's chugging vodka at work a talking to won't do a God damned thing. Here's my advice, get a job somewhere respectable. You make what, 8 to 11 dollars an hour and net 27 hours a week it not less. There's bigger fish to fry.
>>736390757 It's good to be a good human and talk to him about how you can help him so that he doesn't feel the need to drink on the job and to ask him if he's going through any personal problems or that if he's drinking because he has an anxiety issue or something and he tries to calm his social anxiety or something...
Come on bro, let's try to make the world better one by one. If you wanna see good change in the world start with yourself, be the change you want to see in the world.
Even though he is a good worker, one way or the other you are going to lose him for a period of time. If he is an alcoholic he needs treatment, if he gets through treatment he may relapse. This is a better and shorter alternative to the foreseeable future; he will a/another dui, he will kill someone in an automobile accident, or he may just kill himself in one. Maybe he functions as an alcoholic long enough to die from complications. Any way you choose yer rolling the dice. Just depends the stakes and how much you wanna bet.
OP here. Upon consideration, I don't think I will report him to the GM quite yet, (although this might be ethically wrong, as he is putting other drivers at risk). I think I will just talk to him next time the GM isn't there and ask him what is going on, and tell him about possible legal trouble as an anon above suggested. The thing is, I know he probably won't quit, and will just hide it better, which really puts me in a tough situation, since I genuinely care about the guy as well as the safety of other "normal" people.
Here is another thing that worries me. What if I bring it up with him, and then something bad happens on the road due to his drinking? Then it will be out there that I talked to a fucking alcoholic who makes a living out of driving, and I didn't fire him on the spot.
Bring it up, document it, find out company policy. Cover your own ass anf possibly ask GM for advice. Either way the dude needs help, but if he wont help himself at all after you offer then there is nothing you can do to change him. So cut bait.
>>736390886 You don't understand how addiction works. You can't just sit down, have a nice little chat about anxiety and expect someone to not be an addict. Lol. How naive are you? If he's drinking heavily on the job dude is so far gone he's knocking on heaven's door. I have a bad alcohol problem myself, been drinking every day heavily for 8 years, between a 6 and and 12 pack every and I'm not far gone enough to drink on the job.
>>736391062 tell him off the record, like hey i'm not reporting you is everything okay? and seriously tell him he needs to change the drinking because if you get a real complaint you will report it.
so if you give him a chance and he fucks up again then you just follow protocol. but don't let him put it on you. you're actually being cool and not firing him, everyone has a bad day or month once in a while. if he had his shit all sorted he wouldn't be working with you. (no disrespect) so he probably really needs the job, he might just not be satisfied, if he's a good employee maybe he wants to move up and is bored so he's self sabotaging. or maybe he's got personal issues.
like many anons already said, give him a chance. if this wake up call doesn't do it then you do what you must. you don't want to endanger your job either.
>>736391229 You're gross. You're a gross person with a disgustingly altruistic perspective on life. I genuinely would rather all of my employees suffer in fatal accidents than speak to a single one of them about issues not directly related to work. I hope the next time you try to help somebody with their personal issues, they beat you to a quivering pulp in the street.
>>736391299 Yeah, you really have to want to do it. You have to have a big reason you do it for. For the kids, to make your mom proud of you, and just not to kill yourself down that road...stuff like that.
If getting buzzed is more important to you than what your kids think of you, or the quality of their life with their parents, or that your mother is disappointed in you, if getting buzzed is more important than your biggest wants and desires in life or your values, then you're fucked.
You have to want it bad enough that you'll keep in mind what you're doing it for and grind through the hard days when you really wanna get high on some heroin or alcohol or whatever.
>>736391180 dude if he tells any superiors they'll fire the guy instantly. you're a cold mother fucker. this isn't a shark tank man, it's a pizza place. he's not even the owner. it would be stupid to back-stab to get nowhere.
Report him, don't just fire him, report him. He should not have a license if he is an alcoholic. He needs to sort himself out before he wipes himself or someone else out. If anything happens the likelihood is you will have plausible deniability but you will know you let it happen. Just because he does a good job or seems like a nice guy doesn't mean you can morally let yourself off the hook.
Being a dick is one thing, being reasonable and taking care of business is another. The guy is intoxicated on the road, endangering others as well as himself, and you're talking to me about compassion?
You fire him, move on, and in two weeks it's the past. Little faggots like you who want to over-dramatize everything and stick emotions before business interests are the ones who get no where.
You fire him and give him some AA pamphlets, end of story. It's not like he's losing a fucking pension ffs and if he's an addict, there's no way he should be working with a vehicle anyway.
Op, fire him and move on. In two weeks, it will be a distant memory.
>>736391619 How do you like living life being a bitter and miserable piece of shit?
Enjoy your life dipshit.
Remember that all humans are meant to be social creatures, no matter how antisocial and introverted you are.
It's good to be good to others because there will come a time in your life when you'll need a favor or help or a second chance and then maybe you'll just get fucked in the ass because karma does its job. Sometimes it takes some time but i'll make it's way around.
>>736391940 >humans are meant to be social creatures >we're talking about business, a false ecosystem that we invented
For fuck sakes, people like just need to shut your fucking mouths. You can get him help OUTSIDE of work but if there is no fucking way you can allow someone like that to work for you. He chose to pick up the bottle and knew what it meant if he did, and now it's your problem? Give me a break angel boy.
You get him help but there is no way you allow him to work for you unless you're equally as stupid.
OP, drunk driving accidents that result in injury and death is extremely common. I say, you do the right thing and fire him. As you said, he has been doing this for 2 years now. He obviously has no plans of changing. If a guy can drink every day and drive for a living, he obviously has no respect for anyone around him, so why should you have respect for him? Fire him. If you don't an accident will inevitably happen, and you will have to live with the fact that you could have prevented it if you had just made the choice to fire him. This is pretty much black and white.
>>736389758 >he smells like a literal bottle of vodka Functional alcoholic is functional.
If he fucks up and gets in to an accident do you really think him losing his job is going to stop that happening? He's still going to drive, he'll probably get a job somewhere else as a delivery driver as that's what seems to be working for him. Either that or he'll hit the bottle even harder.
You'll just move the problem somewhere else. You need to talk to him about getting sober.
Buncha fucking moral poorfags in here. Jesus Christ you people are fucking stupid. Guy is on the road drunk and you're allowing him because 'hurrr durr we don't want to hurt his feelings and make his life worse' kek
>>736392249 Op literally said there have been empty bottles of vodka in his car and he reeks of the stuff at work. How is letting him continue good for him or anyone else involved, including op and other road users/ pedestrians? Sounds like someone is butt hurt over a previous DUI
Let's all just agree it's a fucking pizza job and you aren't going to stop this guy from driving. He's probably less likely to kill someone being intoxicated and having an extremely high tolerance than your average 16 year old kid texting. Who cares. You fire him, he gets a job a dominos the next day. My original advice is to get a job where you don't have to deal with scumbags.
>>736392556 Right on. Don't start drinking regularly again 'cause it tends to sneak up on you.
But I think if you don't drink more than once a week it's safe, personally I feel it's not too much, and I've been doing that a few years now and haven't started drinking heavily again.
I kind of got over it for some reason. Stopped enjoying getting hammered, but I do enjoy the occasional buzz.
And one of the bigger reasons I quit is because it fucks up your sleep patterns and gives you insomnia and after drinking for some time you'll stop being able to sleep heavily without being drunk. It's retarded.
>>736392558 Nope. No DUIs or anything. I just like to give people the same compassion and second chances we tend to give ourselves.
It's OK if you make a mistake, right? But let's demonize someone instantly if they fucked up somehow.
I didn't say to let him work drunk. I said to give him a chance after warning him that he can't drink anymore on the job and also talking to him offering a friend to talk to or some help at work with whatever he needs done or adjusted that's in his power like changing his schedule to help him stop drinking on the job...
>>736389758 Just talk to him. He'd probably be glad that someone notices and it sounds like it's at a point he needs professional help. No need to report him, it would make his life worse than what it already is.
>>736392712 There aren't many people who will actually do that to their son.
Saying that is one thing, but doing it is another.
I stand by my opinion. He deserves a second chance. Life is cruel and sometimes throws people a really bad hand, so without knowing his circumstances he deserves another chance.
We as people are faulty by nature, we learn from mistakes. He deserves a second chance and there's nothing you can say that can change my mind. No man made laws, no bullshit, no kaka taka, I don't give a fuck.
It's reasonable to give him a second chance as long as he quits drinking on the job now and just drinks at home.
>>736392911 >But let's demonize someone instantly if they fucked up somehow I don't think Mr Drunk Delivery Driver is a one off thing, he's already been reported as being a danger on the road. This isn't an instant character assassination based on a single mistake, it's a balanced judgement based one evidence that the dude is a danger on the road. It's more likely that he'll injure an innocent pedestrian than himself in that state.
The dude needs help to not be a danger on the road. That's compassion right there. It's a chance to make the mistake he's making affect only himself and not anyone else.
>>736392933 I CAN'T BELIEVE WE ARE EVEN HAVING THIS CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW. We are literally talking about someone's job at little Caesars. 5 dollar hot and ready. My nephew was a manager at little Caesars. He was addicted to meth and heroin, was 24, never had a drivers license, illiterate, and dropped out of 6th grade. I mean, there's bigger fuckin fish to fry.
OP here. The main reason I am choosing to give him one (and only one) warning, is because he doesn't come across as a total "scumbag" or a drunk. I know that he is most likely drinking and driving, but I don't think it is because he has no regard for anyone, or anything of that matter. He is like 23, respectable, and seems pretty educated. Not really sure why he is working here still, I think he just might enjoy it, with all the money from tips and what not, until he finds a better job. However, like I said before, I am going to make sure that he knows I am serious about this warning, and if I ever have the slightest notion that he is drinking on the job again, I'll report him. Even though he might have a high tolerance or whatever, that doesn't mean he isn't impaired. I think I heard that most people who get DUIs or cause accidents have driven impaired something like 1,000 times. I know it will happen inevitably, either on the clock or off. I am going to suggest that he take two weeks off to get his shit together. I think that should maybe be enough time for him to have a chance to get off the alcohol. If he fucks that up, then I'll have to let him go and hope I can find another driver like him. (one that isn't a piece of shit like all the other drivers at our store)
Here's what you do...call the cops and drop an anonymous tip that a drunk guy is on the road. He'll get pulled over and go to jail then you fire him for being drunk and driving. He'll understand and blame himself for fucking up. The dui will make him go to court ordered AA and he'll clean up and live a happy life.
>>736393190 No, just after being through a lot of shit in life except of becoming just like the dead eyes, bitter, angry majority of people I've realized that in the face of adversity it's still is the right thing to be a good person and to help people, to provide them the same benefit of the doubt and compassion we provide ourselves.
But only unless they are decent people. If they're violent criminals I have no compassion for them. Anyone that practices regular violence for whatever end is the most absolute scum of the earth and I would be first to put them where they belong.
>>736393163 I'm sorry, I thought you may have been worth debating, but then I realized that you can't even type the word 'faggot' properly.
The "human spirit of ingenuity and curiosity" has only been a luxury of the past 100 years. Prior to that, spending time on anything that did not directly and immediately improve quality of life was overwhelmingly discouraged. Evolution itself is a result of competition and rivalry.
>>736393163 >Are inventions and advancements all made because of competition Often yeah. War tends to lead to the greatest advances in technology. The Internet for example was born from the military ARPANET. It was refined by Burners Lee as a tool for academic communication and since then it's gone on to play a key role in... you guessed it... military application.
Other times invention is born from the desire for increased profits. I point you towards the entire industrial revolution. Technological development has also allowed for wage slavery in the east; factories that have dormitories with nets to catch people trying to commit suicide by jumping.
You think people are fundamentally helpful creatures? Putting their time and effort in to helping their fellow man?
Sweaty Italian 1: Shit, I dropped the pizza taking it out of the oven, it's all crumpled up and covered in shit Sweaty Italian 2: serve it, charge $5 more, call it a speciality Sweaty Italian 1: BRILLIANTO!
>>736393878 >implying if you work for a big chain they'll even care or want to take the chance >nope >it happened on your watch, end of story
Do you not know how business works? Why would they even care. These own these chains for one reason and one reason only, money. They will just fire him, and if there's any doubt, you as well. You're a pizza manger, not an essential part of their economic think tank ffs. They'll just fire you if any doubt, replace you, no worries.
>>736393536 Neanderthals were a lot smarter than you think. Our consciousness expanded because someone started eating the right kind of mushrooms or it was ordained by a higher power that our consciousness can't even fathom.
Whatever dude. You have your opinion, I have mine.
I respect your opinion and the fact that you think he deserves a chance, many of us do. And exactly, for the fact that he isn't a scumbag or a piece of shit, he deserves a chance.
He said he's a good worker so obvoiusly he cares enough to do well and try, so something is wrong in his life right now that makes him drink so he can probably overcome with the same effort he puts toward his life, but probably is temporarily depressed.
>>736394027 >Neanderthals were a lot smarter than you think
Couldn't have been much dumber than you...
Seriously, I go to the trouble of explaining that until the 1900s, quality of life was so bad that the "ingenuity of the human spirit" had little to no factor in the advancement of the species, and that competition and rivalry is the root of evolution, and you come back with "hurr, neanderthals were smart"? You should be ashamed. Fuck outta here.
First problem is your are a corporate drone bitch instead of owning your own pizza place. Second, the mavericks that skirt the rules and outperform the in-line bitches are the best to make business partners. Team up with this guy and start your own pizza place. If there is a non-compete in your corporate employee agreement, that can be negated with a right to work claim.
>>736394027 You think you can pass down your experience of eating mushrooms to your kids? You think your children will remember that time you had an epiphany about self awareness brought about by LSD or something similar?
True, neanderthals were smart, but that's not how the development of species works. Not even close.
>>736394543 Is the irony of your post entirely lost on you? Let me share with you an old expression from my country:
People who live in glass houses will probably suffer heat stroke on sunny days and people can see when you masturbate. Also it's bad to throw stones at pots and kettles because they're both black and that's racist.
>>736389758 I new this fine bitch in h.s that would drink two water bottles of vodka a day at school and her eyes wouldnt even glaze. I literally didnt know for years till she offered me a pull one day while smoking grass. Her mom died in a wreck and that became her escape. drunk as piss and making deans list. insane
You need to report him. My father died because some shithead was drunk behind the wheel. He shattered the family and killed his own kid. Reporting him might make him realize that he needs help too before he hurts himself or someone else
You can become an experienced drunk driver. My uncle has driven drunk and even will sit there drinking while drunk and get high. He knows how to drink and drive. Experience actually can be beneficial. If you do it while too drunk, then it's a problem. I've been with my uncle in his truck. We were going to eat and he'd get high first and drink beer on the way. He likes to maintain his high. He's 60 and he's been doing this all his life.
>>736395550 I don't NEED to do shit, nigger! I wanted to question why you questioned my questioning of your question regarding his previous inquiry regarding the daily mL intake of a long-forgotten high school alcoholic.
>>736389758 If you dont fire him immediately, and he has an accident, you have blood on your hands.
The call you got from a customer and the empty bottles in the car are all the warnings you need.
If he gets into an accident, youre his boss. Are you sure if its so obvious they wont come to you? Do you really think people are that dumb to not know that you willingly let him put himself and others in danger?
You are being irreaponsible to society for what must seem like personal gain to you right now, but do you think your career, and your life youve built, are worth risking over some dumbass who cant control himself?
Get real. If you cant handle firing someone for this obvious reason you dont deserve to be a manager. Youre being a spineless coward.
>>736395601 >He likes to maintain his high. He's 60 and he's been doing this all his life. I agree here. You cannot be pulled over for DUI unless you have driving habits of a DUI. There are millions of "smart drunks" out there that are actually better drivers with a few drinks in them as the events of the road are address more calmly and not in a panic. My dad would drive me home after he had a few beers.
One time, he was driving in a highway while buzzed and a car spun out in front of him. Instead of a panicked standing on the breaks, he just whipped the wheel to the left and the right avoiding the car. A second later, we settled into a lane and kept on driving. He said, "Don't tell you mother about this. She'd just worry too much."
>>736395560 In fact the dropping of nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki helped significantly in shortening the length of World War 2, by at least two (some say up to five) years, ostensibly reducing the overall number of lives lost.
If we stick to the "least harm" logic of which is the better action to choose then the bombs were the lesser of two evils. The ~80,000 killed by the bombs is morally preferable to the millions that would have died otherwise. It's not good, but preferable.
Well, DUI on the job shouldn't really look good for the company, but you never really know if he really drinks, so you can try just asking him if you could spend the day with him, ofcourse he won't drink but you can bring up the subject and try too seek out whatever info you like, and wether he actually does a good job. It all comes down to you, you can warn him too, tell him that some people started snooping around the company about some guy drunk on the job. If he's a good bloke (which is rare as shit) he may tell it. So really its your choice.
>>736395753 Actually, they could've achieved the same result by dropping the bombs in the ocean off-shore and showing them the all-mighty creation they had. The 80,000 killed wouldn't have happened and the radiation/leukemia that decimated the remaining survivors for decades would've been substantially smaller.
>>736395881 Actually, doing that would have wasted any chance they had of delivering a payload unhindered by exposing their launching ground to counter attack and demonstrated that the USA didn't have the balls to actually drop them on people.
>>736395919 Damn, I'm owning this thread. First I put an end to that "neanderthals is smart" feel-goodery, then made >>736395781 realize that his life is comparatively shit, made light of the deaths of at least two parents, and now I've scared of >>736395919 AND his uncle.
Alcoholic here, I used to drink at work, all day every day. Most of the time in the privacy of the bathroom but sometimes I'd just drinking at my desk. I'm sure people knew and if they did I think a reality check would've helped. Thinking I was getting away with it made me feel invincible which lead me to drink more and more until I was checked in to rehab. IMO, take him aside and have a private word with let him know you know. Might be enough for him to get help, sounds like the dude needs it.
>>736395746 That is all you focused on? You didn't read anything else? I was on topic mentioning how my uncle has been drinking and driving most of his life and sometimes he'll get high before he starts driving too. He is a good driver and never gets into accidents. Now use your autistic abilities again to pull out pointless observations and impress us again!
>>736389758 Dude is delivering pizza for a living. Never had a problem before, top employee, likeable, no wrecks, complaints. Smells like booze, fuck it, other half of staff probably smells like weed. Dudes driving pizza around town
>>736389758 Just wait for something to happen and then fire him. It will cause his life to spiral out of control. Be sure to inform any future employers who call that he would come into work drunk and think he was hiding it. Ruin his life and him. Make it your life's goal to make him reach rock bottom. Then he will learn a valuable lesson, otherwise he will continue on the same destructive path.
This shit is gay as fuck. You 'manage' a pizza place but you're not sure if you want to fire somebody?
I stopped firing because I don't hire ANYBODY. So obviously I shouldn't just get rid of people because I don't like people and will not fix the problem. Plus why should I have to fire people when I'm not the one doing the hiring? Basically all I do is set an example. I do my work, and I watch over the kids. They're all fucking children. This weekend I went in to make myself a BLT and they didn't even have chopped romaine.
So OP. I really don't give a fuck. If you hired him, then you're at fault, and you're responsible.
What did you think you'd get off free? You think you just hire people and have no responsibilities held based on their performance?
Dude, there are people who are functioning alcoholics. If he's one of your better workers, gets his job done, and doesn't act like a cunt, I would turn a blind eye until something happened. If and when that does happen, you never knew about it and you're going to take care of it right there.
>>736396894 >Just wait for something to happen and then fire him. I can guarantee that if that "something" is a car accident where he kills someone that will come right back to OP. He took a call from someone who reported the driver and OP did nothing about it. I'm not sure about the law but I'm sure the company and OP will take the fall for it.
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