1. You aren't great with computers, and want an out-of-the-box, easy to setup system, where your hand can be held at each step (either through consistent dialog windows, or with the help of their genius bars and whatnot in their shops). You also don't want to bother with maintenance in general.
2. You don't (and won't) need any software that isn't compatible on MacOS.
3. You don't care about hardware customisation, and will never feel the itch to actually open any of their products for quick repairs/replacements.
4. You are ok with paying a slightly higher price in return for the first perk (the "it's working, i don't know why or how, and I have customer support in case it doesn't")
Although they are kinda losing this side, they are still really good at making an easy to use OS, which is consistent throughout versions.
If you want to be able to customize your machine, it's shit.
>>734306273 Faggot. No one should buy Dell prebuilts. >>734306214 And no. If you need Apple apps, just Hackintosh. Otherwise Windows 10 for gaming, Linux for edgelord l33t haxxorz and perpetual virginity. Or server work.
>>734307747 My iPhone 4S still works well. I'm typing on it now as I'm shitting. I'd say that's a pretty quality run for a phone. I don't use a case on it and have dropped it in parking lots a few times and it has only one knick in the aluminum on the side. All the glass is in great shape.
Say what you want but I've gotten my monies worth out of my iPhone.
>>734306390 >to do creative work, particularly music. This may have been true a long time (15 years) ago. It is complete bullshit today.
I own a recording studio that records and masters the music scores and soundtracks for films and television. Our main clients are Dreamworks, Disney, HBO, Showtime, the CW and Netflix. In 2010 we completely replaced all of our digital system platforms. We threw the Apple proprietary garbage into the trash and transitioned to being entirely PC/Windows based. Haven't had a second thought about it. More flexible/customizable, mor softwate, more plugins, etc., etc., etc...... Fuck Apple and their little proprietary-everything, non-expandable, fedora-wearing, closed-ecosystem world.
>>734306214 Way overpriced. 1) Don't use apple OS computers. 2) You pay a shitload extra just for the name without getting better hardware.
Alienware is also overpriced just because of the brand name. Sure they are good, but you can get the same specs without even building it yourself. There are plenty of places online to piece together your own. Just search more.
>>734309225 >basically no games According to my Steam account, 216 of my 389 games work fine on Mac. Also, if I'm on my home network I can run non-Mac games on my Windows desktop and stream them to my Macbook Pro, actually playing them there.
>>734309482 > the price difference People who buy Macs also buy Monster Cable (scam bullshit) and Beats Headphones (scam bullshit). They also buy lot of adapters and lots of adapters for their adapters (scam bullshit). They buy stuff strictly BECAUSE of the the price. For them, this is the main feature rather than a drawback. As consumers they are dumbass herd animals.
>>734310356 >implying the "rule" isn't just some bullshit you made up I find it more functional than Windows, for what I do, since Windows is dogshit for most programming stacks, whereas MacOS has all the capabilities of Linux. Expansion isn't really an issue since most laptops are not very expandable anyway.
MBP, Linux workstations & servers, and *ugh* Windows.
I support a Windows environment for a large enterprise, it pays well, otherwise they could fuck right off.
Linux is win, plain an simple, for an OS you can custom build from the ground up.
Mac does support some programming and development tools. However, you are lacking some key *nix tools out of the box.
What do you want a computer for? If you want a computer to do actual computational tasks, go with the penguin. If you want to be a drawfag and gain cred with your fidget-spinning hipster idiot buddies, buy the Mac. If you want to stop worrying about it and join the sheeple, go with Windows.
>>734310613 >MacOS has all the capabilities of Linux - get super-powerful pc for half the price of a Mac - run ACTUAL linux in a virtual machine (for free)
>laptops are not very expandable anyway - want bigger/better hard drive or memory for Mac laptop?? impossible or insanely expensive. - want bigger/better hard drive or memory for PC laptop?? clone the original, pop-off the back and install yourself in 20 minutes.
>>734311265 I didn't spend a few thousand, it was like $1300 and I've had it for years and it still runs like a champ... I've owned similarly priced windows machines and they just haven't lasted like my MacBook... the OS is more enjoyable to me which is the biggest thing, my personal preference is fulfilled and I'm not poor so I don't mind the price tag
>>734312124 Poorfags, newfags, and macfags that just don't get it yet.
I'm still using my old clunker HP G-72 notebook for a daily driver. Sure, it's had the battery replaced, and the harddrive replaced... But to be perfectly honest, I use it mainly as thinclient these days.
When faced with the opportunity to buy *REAL* hardware, I shopped Mac.
I also shopped with Dell, HP, and Nutanix.
You see, the current trend (and likely future) for real computing horsepower is virtualization.
A MacBook Pro can do a little of it, and that's great for someone that dabbles.
Any garden variety PC can do a little of it, and that's fine too.
But, I wanted real fucking power, in my home lab.
I told the Mac guy what I wanted, and it spec'd out to nearly $25,000 USD.
I shopped with HP and Dell, and got quotes around the half to 2/3 mark of Apple.
I went to Nutanix, and after having a glass of brut and filet mignon with the sales guy, realized I wasn't their target audience (I don't own a datacenter).
So, I went to Dell. Technically I went to a small refurb house, because I might as well be jewish about finding a deal on hardware.
Now I have 32 cores, 256gb of ram, 3 GPUs (soon to be 4) 5tb of storage with a 4tb NAS adjacent... IN MY HOME.
I run XenHV on a custom CentOS build. It can be sliced into any number of VMs, of almost any scale/configuration.
I have Win10 in there, with 8 cores and 48gb of ram + 2 of the GPUs... just so I can grief you in Rust.
I have a small farm of Linux VMs in there that run a dev version of the stack I work on. Client nodes, server nodes, networking, all virtualized.
Your FruitBox cannot compete, apple-boy. That's right, Apple wants $20k+ for this kind of computing power. I set this up for myself for less than a classic VW bug.
Of course, I do VM's for a living, so.... maybe I cheated?
>>734312124 this. i love my macbook pro. you can find a win laptop with comparable or better specs, but it gets harder if you want one with the same built quality and with a decent screen, a touchpad you can actually use, great battery life, no aids stickers or cancer adware etc. i can't even use a win laptop now, they all fucking suck.
>>734312734 Android is far easier to write for, and makes money too. Also, LAMP specifies Linux, it's the first letter in the damn acronym. You can write applications that require a LAMP stack on any platform, but by definition they will run on Linux.
As an example, I maintain several "LAMP" servers. Some are simple wordpress servers for friends, one in particular runs a custom Python/PHP application set that I wrote for managing VMs on XenHV. It's very rough software, but it's entirely custom... so, yeah. Anyway, I wrote probably half of it from my MBP. Terminal is terminal, duh.
>>734313706 >will do everything you want easily, without breaking >will do everything you want >you want AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA my fucking sides. feel free to stay inside your little closed ecosystem, overpriced fedora wearing universe.
>>734306214 Its not rocket surgery. If you value design, easy-to-use software and are not too price sensitive, Mac prolly works great for you. If you want better value and flexibility, you probably want a PC. I use a PC, wife uses a Mac - we are both happy with what we have
>>734313234 I admit, I'm in a small percentage, because I'm a professional geek. Still, a home VM lab/farm is the direction I believe things are going. Well, that, and lighter, lower "horsepower" endpoints.
I envision a world where the geeks, like me, can have what used to be a supercomputer in our home. And the users, all of the lost fucks that can barely make netflix work, they get tablets and lightweight notebooks... because honestly, the silicon for a nice MBP, hotrod PC, or enterprise-class server is wasted on someone that doesn't do more than fuck around on the web.
That's not to say the poor lost fucks can't go buy badass hardware... but why would they? Oh, because someone slapped a half-eaten fruit logo on it and advertised aggressively. Just a shame that badass hardware comes with a really goofy variant of BSD.
>>734314449 tbh, i mostly use desktop systems because..., reasons. however, i do have a cheap-ass acer laptop that i got for pennies on the dollar against what i would have paid for a comparable mac. - i have been able (in minutes & for very little $$$) to upgrade the HDD and memory myself 4 times..., something that i would not have been able to do with a macbook. - i don't need a bunch of overpriced proprietary adapters to do shit. - when i want to run linux natively, i simply pop off the back cover & pop-in the HDD with linux on it (easier that some dual-boot nonsense)..., takes 60 seconds. - thousands of foss applications that mac users aren't "allowed" to use. - etc., etc., etc., etc....
The "it just works" is the only reason left out there to buy it and this advantage is diminishing further and further as any other advantage apple had in the past decade, as their competitors dont sleep.
Today, there are two single things a windows-user need to do to have the exact same result: - not fucking clicking on every link - not fucking installing everything
There, your windows-machine will work the exact same way any apple-machine will in the next decade.
>>734315542 >There, your windows-machine will work the exact same way any apple-machine will in the next decade. Not entirely correct, one doesn't need rubbish like Itunes to operate other devices/pc's
>>734315992 mac and pc are physically similar. tbh, i think Dell's board house built the mainboard in my company-provided mbp. again, it's a total shame that decent (if overpriced hardware) has to come with a goofy version of BSD. I have never been able to get over how crayola-feeling Mac is.
looking at the one i have in front of me, the mbp doesn't look like it would be terribly difficult to tear down. yet, I don't fucking want to, as it's apple and I'm sure something propriety (with little reason to be so) inside there will annoy me.
>>734306214 Basically Only reason why I use one is my coding job gave me a fully loaded 15" late '16 MBP because all our actual work comes from our 1,000 node server It's a nice commercial package of *nix if you need a work computer that works easily with technology, has dedicated support, has build quality, and isn't microshit/vendor limitations (ie can't do a custom rig have to choose from list of supported machines)
For personal meh get it if you have bougie bucks to spend
>>734310844 I'm a programmer and think Linux is garbage. Linux is an OS purposely made more complicated just so elitists can feel smart, and that mentality starts with Linus. Git is the same way where most of the command names make no sense and the man page documentation is garbage.
Plus debugging on Windows with Visual Studio is far superior to debugging on Linux, and that also falls under the same thought process. I guess Linux everyone wants it harder and more complicated for no reason at all except to feel like an elitist when they purposely put up with all that bs for no reason.
>>734317584 >they'll work it out hopefully they never 'work it out'. ever. with apple it's always: "we have decided what is best for you [whispers: 'what we can charge you out the ass for']..., now conform!!!".
>>734317802 i'm quite fine. my laptop is for only one thing: watching netflix & my cable stations when i'm on the road in hotels on a bigger screen thank my phone or tablet. everything else i do is done on desltop systems.
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