Vegan Thread. I had an argument with you. Yes, you. We are

I'm vegan and very happy about it, don't force it upon others

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I too enjoy large dicks in my ass

>>734235974
its not about that. we were haviong a discussion on the ethics of animal suffering, after i listed some reasons why veganism is a pretty solid stance from a logical point of view.

FIGHT ME COME AGAIN YOU ETHICS PASCAL GUY

Eat food, tasty, nothing died and you still survive
Or eat food and animals have to die, still survive

It's pretty logical if you are of a compassionate mindset

>>734236134
I'll have a fight. Why the fuck do humans have canine teeth if not for tearing through flesh

>>734236755
why do humans have a brain if not to think.

Keto person here. Haven't eaten greens for over a year, only carbs come from dairy products. Life is great after couple decades of bad diet.

How's your diet with the supplements, whats your feeling and thoughts on the degenerative effects of vegan diet and greater chances for mental sickness?

>>734236538
The plants still die. The plants didn't evolve to be eaten, that's why they are bitter as fuck to eat and can harm you a lot if you don't process them properly.

There's no logic there, illogical if anything.

>>734236538
I bet you step on bugs

>>734236134
Animal suffering is terrible and human greed has pushed it to terrible limits the past hundred years. It will get worse before it gets better.

But is that a good reason to avoid meat all together, for empathetic reasons? Hell no. It only makes you feel better and get favorable thumb ups from the people around you who reinforce such lifestyle.

>>734237042
I want to do keto again but I love beans too much

>>734237863
Surely you can find something to replace it with. I never liked beans. Gf loved them though, but later realized that they occasionally caused stomach ache. Which makes sense, they aren't good for us--except if you look at some nutritional labels and want to add up numbers to be healthy or something.

nobody talking? God damn vegan fucks.

>>734237671

reason one:

less resources are spent, environment is not polluted as much

reason two:

its healthier- you dont have saturated fats from animals which increases heart attack rate and is a primary cause for alzheimers disease

three:

in our globalized society you don even need to suffer from any deficiency, because of the variety that is availible to you.

>>734237206
wtf ? are you ok ?

did animals "evolve to be eaten" ?

youre not very good at biology, are you ?

>>734237042

what the fuck you talking about ?

any studys or evidence on that ?

because i could find quite many that speak against dairy products.

>>734239538
Start producing mainly shitty vegan diet for human consumption instead of superior meat and the resource usage would also grow a lot.

Saturated fat from animals increasing heart attack rate, ok now I know that you have nothing right and base your comment on some shitty old beliefs.

>>734239671

I'm fine, thank you. No, but they sure are great for us. Especially the ruminants what devour grass all day long. Their fat is the best kind of nutrition available for us and has no ill effects.

>>734239832
Yes, there's plenty of them out there. Actual studies. I have no time to source them out for you, but they do exist.

I understand the dairy opposition, as this is environmental thing--everyone hasn't evolved to digest it as well. But even then, the studies out there against dairy are lacking and any diet with other shitty lifestyle choices make any study irrelevant.

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>>734235830
I'll take Vitamin B12 deficiency for $500, Alex

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>>734235830

that which did not evolve to eat only plants should not eat only plants

>>734240867
Take a look at the Great Pandas. They are carnivores but can survive on a omnivore diet. Thus, they are classified as omnivores.

Nowadays, they are so fucking stupid that they are dying out in the wild because of their diet which consists of eating terribly non-nutritious bamboo sticks all day long. But it is easy, so they base their whole life around that. They even save themselves from physical exertion so they could shit, eat and sleep more easily.

In zoo, they are sometimes fed with a natural bear diet so they can become healthy again.

>>734240090
dude what about cholesterol ?

also, the alzheimer thing is from a recent harvard study.

>>734240090

the thing is, the energy gets lost because everything has an eta smaller than one.

>>734241310
Cholesterol is not BAD for you. It's job is to TAKE CARE of your veins. But if you have a SHIT diet, the cholesterol you produce yourself might do some harm in the very long run which is completely your own fault. This is why you can produce your own cholesterol and eat from animal sources etc, but you can't overdose on it as if you eat too much, you won't produce it.

Trans fats from vegetable oils is something what can totally fuck you up, which means fast food and all sorts of processed food where they use this cheap shit. Never, ever, neveverer use vegetable oils.

Alzheimer has also been proposed as a new Diabetes 3. As this is some serious damage to your body. Diabetes 2 can be gained from fucking your body up for several years, mostly pancreas and insulin, but after your ruin that, other systems start to get ruined.

Saying that, I haven't heard of this Alzheimer and dairy correlation, so I'll have to look into that, thanks for bringing it out.

>>734235830
If animals didn't want to be eaten, why are they made out of food.

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>>734242230
why are you made of food

>>734242719
Correct.
The point exactly

>>734242719
Everything is made out of for for something else

>>734242894
But what is for for?

>>734242964
and why is of for for something else ?

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>>734242230
Check-mate Vegans.

>>734236755
pretty much like monkeys have and they eat mostly vegetables, and some insect from time to time

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>>734242964
>wUtz OtTo CoReKt?

Food for

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I like milk.

Hey Vegans,

If you want everyone to stop eating meat, how will you feed cats and dogs that are domesticated, or are you willing to let them die horribly with starvation?

Also where are you going to put all the sheep and pigs that no longer need to be kept, cows can for their milk...... oh wait... you don't like dairy stuff cause it is from the animal. Well shit cows too also. Where to put them?

What about the farms you have to build to increase crop production to feed everyone, where is the land coming from for them? Cut down forests? The same forests that help clean out the air and produce Oxygen.

Well fuck, you vegans haven't thought it through.

>>734243310
But but... Think about the enviroment and animal suffering, that would be better!

>>734243115
Monkeys are sometimes known for cannibalism to

>2017
>willingly ingesting rotting dead flesh and increasing heart and cancer risks

>>734240320
there's no lack in vegan diet as soon as you care about your health (well, lot's of vegans are vegans just for this reason so...)
it's more unhealthy to eat a piece of meat every day than no eating it in your whole life, also studies backed by the World Health Organization demonstrate that eating red meat gives you cancer as much as smoking

Never met a vegan that could kick anybody's ass

>>734243508
You would need a animal genocide to accomplish that and several species to go extinct for the Farms

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>>734243583
>2017
>denying science, evolution and biology

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>>734243624

>>734243514
sometimes when they have nothing to eat, they preffer to do that than dying, but it's not their primary diet

>>734243621
It is 2017 everything gives you cancer

>>734243624
what about David Meyer, Mac Danzing, Scott Jurek, Austin Aries... and the list continues

>>734235830

I never understood those vegans who only eat raw foods.
"boiling carrots? wtf man"
Help me understand this

>>734243810
not in the same proportion

Vegans cry about animal suffering, they obviously haven't seen other predatory animals tear apart their prey while alive.

"But that is nature", so is eating meat it is part of the Human Nature, has been for thousands of years, which is why meat tastes so fucking good, and is loaded with vitamins and proteins to help sustain a healthy lifestyle.

Many people are overweight because companies pump out the left overs into cheap meals, it isn't from overeating premium meat from butchers.

Anyway, Vegans as per usual never thinking of the long term goal, because if they had their way predator animals will rise in numbers and would have to be hunted down to be killed to quell numbers, so much Animal Suffering.

>>734243769
The silver back will sometimes go on hunts to take more land for that group and will kill and eat the baby's of the other group regardless of food supply

>>734243754
>denying science
http://www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/pr/2015/pdfs/pr240_E.pdf
ok kid

>>734243769

Alpha chimps will do it with other baby chimps to cull the genes of the other father from being in their group.

Nature.

Not just chimps either, tigers, lions etc will do the exact same thing.

Fucking Brilliant ain't it.

>>734241223
pandas have a genetic defect that shut off the sensory taste receptors. Don't make bad comparisons. Plus, as others have pointed out, you will have B vitamin deficiencies on a vegan diet.

>>734243882
fake as fuck, I cook vegan food and I have gone to vegan restaurants

vegan food is delicious, you just have to move your ass from your chair and learn something new (it's not painful dude)

>>734243621
Yeah vegans have that great, they take care of their overall health which is GREAT. I fully stand by the overall health, I just completely denounce the vegan/vegetarian diet health benefits. Having to supplement a diet is already a giant red flag, why would you do that when you could get everything you need easily?

There is a lot of hate for meat and FAT. But times are changing and soon it will be cherished, at least so i hope. Hatred of fat has caused so much shitty information in this world , which has lead to diabetic epidemic. Sad.

>>734244029
well that aren't reasons for them to eat meat, just to kill, pretty much like humans with wars :/

>>734244066
dubs confirm

>>734244066

what
I know it is tasty
But I also know there are people who only eat raw greens

>>734244016
I'd rather be wary what one would eat with their HIGHLY NUTRITIOUS RED MEAT what can cause cancer.

Fun fact: dogs love squeaky toys because it sounds like wounded prey squeaking

>>734244016
>An article about processed meat.
>not against eating meat

Bravo kiddo

>>734244041
My point being, vegan diet is retarded and will make you retarded. To put it bluntly.

Vegans are gay. That's just one of the facts of life.
>The craziest girls are the best at fucking.
>Shit stinks
>Milk is for fags
>Vegans are gay

Sorted.

I've been veggie before, I think it's ethically the right thing to do but I like bacon too much to keep it up. Never gone vegan though. How do you guys even live without cheese I'd rather die

>>734244016

You need to understand what Associations means, Red and Processed meats are NOT the cause of cancers but they can help the cancers along.

Just like the Sun can help cancer along.

Like tobacco, which is a plant, can help cancer along too.

Along with vegetables that contain sugars and starches will help cancer along. As do Tomatoes that are high in acidity.

So yeah... shitty study on meat, doesn't change facts that pretty much most things can help along cancer and other diseases.

>>734244501
rice has arsen in it

>>734244430
>Milk is for fags
hahaa you had me up until then what's wrong with milk

>>734244501
Fucking cheese man, fuck. I love Cheddar, it's seriously so good.

>>734244552
>it can help the cancer along

i think you didnt quite understand the connection between dna repair mechanisms, stochastics and cancer.

>>734244135

Oh they will eat the meat, why not? It will sustain them until the next kill.

While vegans cry out Humans can be cruel to animals, and a small % are, animals are far worse and are not known to be empathetic to the victims they pick.

>>734244501
Cheese is the hardest thing. I put mozarisella on pasta etc, violife original grated onto chillis, violife cheddar flavour for sandwiches, burgers, etc.

>>734244748
The whole point of having a moral code is to be better than animals though.

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>>734235830
op is fag
post vegans

>>734244709
Mmmm cheddar is good. Also gouda, wensleydale with the cranberries, philadelphia, all of it really
>>734244769
I've tried quite a few of my friends' fake cheeses, some of them aren't terrible but they aren't the same.

Any vegan with any muscle mass uses synthetic drugs to build muscle. As without enough protein, exercise will kill them

>>734244840
come fight me you fag

TRY AND FIGHT ME

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>>734244552
What does cancer love to eat? Glucose.

What dies sugar get turned into? Glucose.

What does carbohydrates get turned into? Glucose.

Do you need extra glucose in your diet? No.

Does your body produce your own glucose for anything your body could ever need? Yes.

Ez pz bois, eat keto and be free of cancer.

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>>734244839
Vegans aren't better than animals, they want equality. So it kind of makes sense.

>>734244916
Yeah. If you can't do it then you just can't do it. Look at substituting the other stuff (like milk on cereal) instead?

>>734244941
Well the vast majority of bodybuilders use protein powder. I use vegan protein powder. Who gives a shit. Most of your food isn't "natural" anyway.

>>734244839
No. It isn't. The whole point of having a moral code is for not letting society turn to chaos. Which most humans have and don't need religion or vegan faggotry to have morals

Will never go full on vegan. Muh gains depend on high sorces of protein, calories, and fat.

>>734244958
LEAVE MY THREAD AND FIGHT ME

(your answer is generally bs, cause it depends on your lifestyle and carbohydrates are better than fats if youre training daily.)

>>734245047
How do you mean? I think the vast majority of humans are better than animals. We don't rape, kill, etc.

>>734245133
Debatable. Either way, "animals do it" carries zero weight in terms of any moral argument.

>>734245083
Why do people use protein powder btw, why can't they just eat real food with protein? Can't be that hard. I'm a Keto'er who has gained plenty of muscle and just eating meat. Easiest gains ever.

>>734244722

Which was not relevant to the pdf posted, it was pinpointing the carcinogenic effect meat has to help cancer along.

Not DNA repair mechanisms etc, you just can't introduce shit out of thin air that has nothing to do with what you posted in the first place.

Fact is, people have cancer in their bodies, all it takes for it to start spreading is a catalyst, for some it is the sun, others harmful fumes, others meat, others vegetables, others nuts, others alcohol etc.

Everyone has cancer cells in their bodies from birth and every year less and less % of the population is having theirs triggered which is good, as bodies are starting to naturally fight off the cells as each generation boosts the immunity against it.

However through no fault of most cancer sufferers world wide, anything can trigger them. And it doesn't have to be unhealthy reasons either.

>>734245083
Already onto that hemp milk is my shit

>>734245218
"real food." What exactly makes protein shakes less real than fish fingers or a cheese sandwich?

>>734245083
Protein powders are shit for your liver anon.

>>734245203
I can fight you, you fucking sissy vegan fuck.

And no, It isn't generally bs. But it does depend on the lifestyle, yes, that is correct.

Carbohydrates being better than fat though? You are so fucking wrong there mate.

>>734245314
you are making shit up your ass.
think about what cancer is and where it comes from and what a PROBABILITY is.

then come back and fight me properly.

>>734245208
Congratulations contradicting yourself in a single post. You are what you eat I guess. A vegetable

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>>734244956
Violence is overrated

>>734244722

Stupid excuses to try and prove themselves right, explain Aflatoxin B1 which is a high cause of cancerous cells growing.

>>734245429
no, i have literature and you have nothing.

COME AND FIGHT ME YOU PSEUDO FAGGOT

>>734245208
I think the idea that eating animals is "inhumane" is kind of retarded. Your ancestors ate meat anon.

>>734245407
I'm not vegan or vegetarian but you're spot on, retards thinking pork that's been processed to fuck is 'real' kek

>>734244958

Sugars are in grains, nuts, fruits and veg too. What now?

>>734245407
It destroys your liver and pancreas?

>>734245502
explain betacarotin and atp ase which is a random shit i just throw at you for no reason

>>734245208
Vast majority of humans live in the 3rd world countries. The western culture probably has roughly 1 billion people in it, that leaves quite a chunk of people outside.

My point was... that they want animals to be free. Mothers be with their children, instead of taking away in birth to be raised for food with a tube down their throat (ducks). Etc etc, basic rights and freedom instead of the great cruelty there is in the massive animal industry. Which is, ok, i mean, it is pretty horrible if you think about it... But they are just products, not real animals.

>>734245442
Not who you replied to but nice comprehension skills faggot
>first point humans better than animals
>second point 'animals do it' is no argument
where's the contradiction idiot

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>>734245203
Leave thread to fight you? Where did you have in mind?

>>734245407
With real food, i mostly meant beef, chicken and pork. Or salmon, shrimps, etc.

I had some cheese, beef and pork today. Netted about 130g of protein. Which is perfect for my muscle growth.

>>734245746
wait, r u the guy i was talking to ?

>>734245556
Our ancestors also raped everyone and killed all the large mammals just for laughs, we're supposed to be more civilised now.

>>734245406
Good on you. The next things are like quorn mince instead of beef mince, which is a substitution I found really easy. Cheese is by far the hardest one.

>>734245419
doubt it.

>>734245442
??? Where is the contradiction? I'm just saying that "animals do it" is not a good argument for something being moral. We should hold ourselves to better standards than animals.

>>734245556
My ancestors did all sorts of shit, and they died aged 30. I don't follow them for much.

>>734245746
oh ok yes

you know dont take it literally.

I only eat grass feed dairy and meats. I spend alot of money on food.

>>734245542
Quite the contrary. But if you're a vegan, have at it. Sooner or later you will fall of that shitty diet.

>>734245843
So a banana isn't real food? This seems arbitrary and random.

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>>734243769
nigga google chimpanzee hunting

>>734244839

I am the person you responded to, moral codes are great, but you cannot put the stigmata of animal abuse and suffering on everyone.

Again vegans will point their fingers at human based animal suffering, but always turn a cheek to the animal suffering caused by over population of predators.

Sooner or later if Vegans had their way, they would have to cull specific groups of animals to help curb sporadic growths of predators.

Because ex-farm animals would be in the wild unchecked, essentially free meals for the predators who would strive and no longer be in competition with other predators.

But like all things, that supply will dwindle quickly, and then hell breaks loose, predators vs predators, wolves vs wolves, to the point they have to be brazen and get into human controlled areas for food.. and they won't be shy about grabbing an unprotected/unwatched child to eat.

>>734245879
I can do quorn chicken and beef instead of the real things but yeah cheese is too good. Also there's no good fake pork, veggie bacon is just awful.

>>734245960
i never said im vegan

>>734245584
Yep. Eat in modesty or destroy your pancreas. It isn't evolved for modern amounts of sugar/carb to digest. The system with pancreas is quite fascinating, but it will get damaged with decades of bad diet. Which is mostly, overdosing on sugar and carbs as they are literally the same thing.

>>734245879
Believeing most humans didn't die from famin, diseases from unsanitary environments, and war? Are you retarded?
Also, do vegans eat fish? Cause The lack the nuero capacity to fell pain?

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>>734245844
Maybe

>>734244597
It's gay man

>>734245721
Saying humans are better than animals because we don't take or kill (we do) and not for survival like animals do

Then saying that comparing humans to animals is a contradiction and hypocrisy

>>734245961
I would say no, it isn't. But you can eat it and digest it as our bodies have gotten to that point. Some bananas won't hurt you, but eat them too much and it's the same as eating a lot of candy.

>>734245975
Farm animals are bred into existence. So if everyone was vegan they wouldn't be set out into the wild, they just wouldn't exist in the first place.

>>734246020
Yeah I don't do the bacon.

>>734246128
"Believeing most humans didn't die from famin, diseases from unsanitary environments, and war?"
What are you even talking about. I haven't said anything about any of these things.
We don't eat fish, correct.

>>734245928
Same here. Ain't cheap, but the taste makes up for it.

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Milk is excellent food for babies, not so healthy for grown ups. But it's still the least gay thing in this thread.

>>734245430

Why would I be making shit up, the world is naturally radioactive, and during the fetal stage of a child they are highly susceptible to many forms of radiation.

Sun, ground etc

Children are born with cancerous cells, they exist, I suggest asking your doctor next time you see them, and ask about how cancer starts and where the cells come from.

You know what is funny, you cried about DNA repair, and what I told you is part of it, so you saying I talk BS is calling yourself out also.

But luckily for you I am telling the truth.

>>734246081
Oh snap. I don't know what to say now.

>>734246254
ok it sounds like you personally just define "real food" as meat, which is a pretty absurd and unhelpful definition. Surely just say meat if that's what you mean. We have the word for a reason.

>>734246283
You said most your ancestors died at 30 like eating meat was a cause. And no, if you lived in your 20's you where likely to make it 50 years.

>>734246423
I didn't ever say eating meat causes someone to die at 30. Are you ok?

>>734245635

You didn't explain Aflatoxin B1 though. Why not? Because it fucks your argument right up doesn't it.

>>734235830
Hey vegans, your opinions don't matter and no one cares. So shut the fuck up you are retarded

>>734235830
Fuck off vegan

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>>734246377
Say whatever.

>>734246180
Okay retard I'll explain the points again
1). Saying that humans are better than animals
2). Saying 'animals do it' is not justification for behaviour.

At no point did they say comparing animals to humans is a contradiction. The points lead on from each other, humans are better than animals so we shouldn't do anything just because animals do it, we're better than that.

>>734235830
solution to animal suffering? Synthetic meats.

>>734246512
The number of vegans has increased 360% in the last decade. It's fast becoming a pretty big thing.

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>>734246512
If people in this thread didn't care, they wouldn't be here.

>>734246384
The topic was about protein. Real food protein sources happen to be meat. And real food, not processed type of junk. That's it.

But that said, I would still define real food as mostly meat and animal sourced. The animals can eat the vegetables and digest them, I'll eat their fat and be far better in the end than if I had eaten all that veggies by myself.

>>734246571
whatever.

>>734246623
And I walk in, hear you, turn 360 and walk straight back out again

>360%
>now there are 36 vegans

>>734246623
This is the sad modern world we live in. But hey, look at the diabetic numbers too. That's fun.

>>734246661
I don't care about mutants but I go to see the freak show

>>734246283

Cows were not "bred" into existence, neither was sheep, goats or pigs.

They have evolved to what they are today, but they weren't just magically introduced through breeding.

Straws being clutched very tightly.


Either way, the simple fact is this..

A Vegan ran world is not sustainable what so ever, the environment, animal population would suffer greatly in the long run.

And if no human population control is in place, more and more oxygen producing trees and forests would be the next victim to make way for land to grow crops.

And finally Vegans would have to turn to genetically enhanced crops to grow them at any time they can, because waiting for natural growth and crop rotations would be brutal to feed everyone.

>>734235830
Some nutrients can only be obtained from meat. Refusing to eat meat will fuck your body up.
If you want to be moral about food, don't overeat and don't waste food.

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>>734246533
Gladly

>>734246803
Interesting that you compared the two:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/310953.php

>>734246941
Not who you replied to but don't be pedantic dude. Obviously cows and those animals are naturally occurring. However the reason we have such massive numbers of them today is because we breed them in such large numbers for meat, which is obviously what the poster meant. Well, it's obvious if you're not retarded anyway.

>>734247010
Correlation doesn't equal causation, or something like that.

Vegans tend to make a lot better choices than the common person. In example, drop sugars, processed crap and fast food. Perhaps even exercise. These choices make the most difference.

The dietary choice in the whole, however, is not the reason for the better result.

>>734235830
A proper Vegan diet and the right kind of exercise really makes you body fit, and even ripped, sexy, and powerful. I know this from experience. I have water for breakfast.

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>>734246859
>just here to see
When you're bitching along with the rest of the freaks, that argument kinda fails.

>>734246681
"real food protein sources"???

Again you are just using "real" to mean "meat."
There are plenty of non-meat protein sources.

>>734246776
roughly half a million in the UK

>>734246803
hopefully those numbers will come down if more people go vegan ;)

>>734246941
"cows were not bred into existence"
Yes they were. Cows are artificially inseminated in order to produce offspring. There isn't even sex involved. There's nothing evolutionary about this.

>>734246941
Don't know about the rest, but sheep are definitely bred not shed wool.

>>734247198

Not for 1/3rd of the world they don't. Many use cows just for milk, as for example Hindus worship the cow as a life giver, anyone killing a cow is usually met with execution as a punishment (or long time imprisonment).

So no they weren't primarily bred for food, they were bred for milk and manure too.

>>734247204
You're right vegans do make healthier choices than the average person. The biggest of those healthier choices is not eating meat! From the article:

>When the researchers split the plant-based diets into healthier and unhealthier versions, they found that it impacted heavily on the risk of type 2 diabetes. Healthy plant-based diets produced a 34 percent reduced risk of type 2 diabetes, and the less healthy plant-based diets were linked to a 16 percent increased risk of the condition.

tl:dr - Even vegans who eat like shit have a lower risk of diabetes than non-vegans

>>734247292
Yes, I consider meat and animal sources to be biggest real food source. "Vegetables" and fruits, berries and what not sure are tasty but not required.

Plant matter however, is not food.

>>734247247
I'm not arguing. I'm her to trigger. I don't care about your pointless beliefs

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>>734247292
Literally every domesticated animal has been heavily modified by selective breeding.

>>734247531
Fair point they're not just bred for meat also for milk, but that still means that if everyone was vegan there would be so many less cows, as there'd be no need for beef or milk.

>>734247292

Like I said to the other person, they were not bred just for meat.

That is just as sad as saying Horses were just bred for Racing.

>>734247594
Correct

>>734247564
That still really proves nothing. Average meat eating people have terrible diets and eat all kinds of shit.

These kinds of comparisons would be valid when comparing to people on Ketosis or complete carnivorous diet. Not many do it, but some do, and their results are great.

>>734246508
which argument does it fuck up though ?

>>734235830
>>734247213
Same guy.

>>734247594
That's not really the issue.

I was responding to the common claim that veganism will lead to overpopulation of certain animals/"what will we do with them?"
The fact is they would not exist, as they are bred into existence in the first place by force.

>>734247705
Yeah. Obviously we're referring specifically to the ones that would be impacted by vegans. The ones we are not buying are the ones being bred for meat.

Cows in small communities in India or wherever aren't going to see any difference from everyone in the west becoming vegan.

>>734247702

Exactly so where would they go? What would they do with cows today, make sure they don't breed so the population doesn't go up?

Waste of land though, they need it for crops, so they would be forced to let the cows go.

Either way, cows are going to suffer big time for it.

I have a question for the Vegans in this thread.

Why does meat taste good? Honestly. I also find it hard to believe that highly processed soy substitutes are able to not cause harm in a similar or more harmful manner when compared to meat, but the research into this doesn't exist because most vegan organizations aren't interested in finding out, and most meat eaters simply don't give a fuck to research this because we all think vegans are crazy. The simple fact of the matter is, where there's all of this research into our food (meat, cheese, etc.), where's the research into yours? I'm not asking this to be rude or disrespectful, and I know about the arguments and have read the carnist's manifesto or whatever it is that cites common arguments against veganism. Similarly, my girlfriend is vegan as well (3 years from vegetarian) and as a result I've had many attempts to go vegan or vegetarian. Each time I've been fatigued to all hell and I don't feel like myself, I take vitamins, but after about 3 days I don't feel alive, and I feel consistently hungry, no matter how much I eat.

>>734247758
>Average meat eating people have terrible diets and eat all kinds of shit.
Yeah that's why they separated the vegans into healthier ones and ones who 'have terrible diets and eat all kinds of shit'. You're right one article doesn't prove shit but it holds more weight than your unsourced comment about Ketosis.

>>734235830
>>734247213
>>734247824
Y'all a buncha' farm animals.

Still same guy.

>>734247777

Unable to go back a few referenced posts to see?

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>>734247824
You're probably right.

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>>734247590
What brings you here to trigger?
The lulz? What is it about the lulz that attracts you?

You obviously do care, dipshit. It's why you're still interacting with me. But that's o.k. senpai :3

>>734235830
>>734247213
>>734247824
>>734247948
Go eat a chicken nugget.

Same guy again.

>>734247933
"I have a question." What's your question? Why does meat taste good? How should I know? I'm a vegan not a biologist.

>>734247905
Or, bite the bullet and kill most of the cows, everyone gets to have one last steak before we go veggie. The cows that currently exist suffer but no more of them are born just to be killed and eaten.

Besides the point is moot because the entire world turning vegan would be a more gradual process not an overnight one.

>>734235830
Vegan is best

>>734247758

Actually they have terrible diets due to commercialism, and they use additives and chemicals to make their MRM meat products tastier.

Eating meat as is from a butcher will not result in a terrible diet.

People don't see the difference in those, because it is easier to point fingers to blame something no matter how pedantic the reason.

>>734247942
I didn't read your article and for that I am sorry. I have no doubt vegan and veganism lower diabetic symptoms, or reverse it, as is common on Ketosis. I have no argument there, it's good for your health if you just watch out what you eat.

But meat, no, meat isn't bad for anyone. Unless you have been bit by a tick and have an meat allergy. Tough shit then.

I wont source any ketosis articles, studies or information. But if you don't know of it, it is pretty large subject, especially with weight loss.

>>734247213
water is a terrible breakfast. The point of breakfast is to set your caloric intake goals, which is why it's advised to eat a big breakfast, and a small lunch and small dinner split into 3 3-hours apart portions if you're trying to regulate your weight and be healthy.

Probably a troll but i'd rather be had than have some "i don't need nutrition research" vegan spouting unhealthy information.

>>734235830
>>734247213
>>734247824
>>734247948
>>734248070
I once ate someone's pineal body, which is composed party of the pituitary gland. It tasted like chicken.

Still same guy.

:D

>>734248104

So basically Animal Suffering to push the Vegan dream along.

Kinda hypocritical don't you think?

Yeah I know it would be a progressive change, but it would be a bad one overall.

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Anyway, I'm out.
Meaty date with a (vegie) human female.

Keep up the good work, vegfags!

>>734247933
Meat tastes good for evolution related reasons. In the past, before we had organized farming, eating meat secured us the best chances of getting all the nutrients we needed to grow or survive. Meat tasting good gave cavemen an incentive to be bothered hunting food that moves as opposed to just all eating plants.

>>734235830
>>734248262
This is now a truth thread.

>>734247933
You need to get adapted into any diet. Your guts for example, might not be good enough for that kind of shitty diet. As it simply can't get enough nutrition or energy from all that crap.

And if your body is digesting greens, which will take really long, it could possibly deny the absorption of other high calorie foods because your body is full of rotting crap, which is easily noticeable by the amount of farts or shit.

It isn't for everyone. For women though, they don't require as much energy as a man does. Simple as that.

Try going keto, you wont go back after you experience the shitty hangover you always get if you drop out of it--which is the normal life of a person who lives off from carbohydrates for fuel.

>>734247905
Well the cows today are going to be killed as people aren't all going to suddenly become vegan. What we'll see is a gradual shift, with slaughterhouses slowly rolling down their production as people buy less and less of their product.

>>734248072

Well, it ended up being more than a few questions, but I don't understand what provoked such a sarcastic response.

This is the problem with humans... I'm open minded, I really am, but if you're going to come at me with sarcasm and expect people to change, it's not going to happen because they'll react to your negative reaction, instead of looking at logic and facts.

>>734248128
Yes, yes. These make a great difference in the quality of meat. And overall health in return.

I agree with you.

>>734248564
Jesus how sensitive are you? Don't enter into discussions if you're going to get triggered so easily.

>>734248718

I'm not triggered. I'm just saying that if you're going to try to convince people to change, there's better methods than ad-hominem'ing, insults, and sarcasm.

>>734248564
A vegan hurt your feelings
>ultimate beta

>>734235830
>>734248492
This is now a Boxxy thread.

https://youtu.be/7JA5i0INyVg

>>734248270
Well as I said it's purely hypothetical as everyone isn't going to wake up tomorrow and decide to give up meat. Also to be honest I'm not really a vegan for the sake of animal rights more environmental concerns. If noone ate meat or dairy or eggs, and we used GM crops to maximise yields and reduce land use, we could held slow down global warming so much.

>>734248815
You're on 4chan and begging me to be nice to you...
I haven't insulted you. I haven't ad hominemd. I just answered your question and now you're crying about it. Get out.

peace pot microdot

>>734248564
kek

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>>734235830
Gaining an eating disorder step.1

>>734248829
seconded what an unbelievable faggot

>>734248881
>enviromental concerns, global warming.
Jeesh, just go back to eating meat man. Your worries are non-existent and will never affect you.

>>734249050
No thanks I'm not a retarded climate change denier.

>>734249050
>Because global warming is a hoax perpetuated by Jewish bankers with no legitimate scientific support whatsoever

>>734249301
It changes, as it always has been. But your efforts or vegan, veganism or any other will make no change what so ever. That said and considering what you said, you sound like a retarded faggot. No wonder you are a vegan, suits you well.

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>>734249425
Not retarded just faggot

Here, have some gay porn

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>>734249617
>vegan faggot

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>>734249748
I have some for you as well my friend

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>>734249860
I miss the times there weren't any faggots or trap threads around here. Those were some good times. Browsing for boredom nowadays just results in shitty threads like this or some other get bullshit. Oh well.

>>734235830
>>734248870
I just got back from taking a walk around the block, and I found a baby mouse stranded on the sidewalk. I picked it up and put it somewhere safe, hopefully, because I wanted to save it's life. I told the story to a lady, and she said I am a good man.


https://youtu.be/7JA5i0INyVg


http://www.youtube.com/sosoboredyeah
Sincerely,

Duke Earl Robert Zuur
Still same guy.

>>734250173
Well aren't you a good chap, at least the mouse wont be driven over now and some cat can feed on it still, easy pray, especially if some human can catch it.

>>734235830
>>734250173
Yalls are boring come play with me nekkers

>>734236755
Almost all mammals have canine teeth retard. A gorilla has canines bigger than your dick and they are herbivores.

>>734250370
Eating more meat is the only solution to stop the degeneration of human brains. It's a spooky world we live in.

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>>734250126
Don't like it you can always fuck off

ps don't forget to take some faggot porn with you for later

>>734250532
Don't worry, I'm not a degenerate enough to click on that. Just saying though, the average user seems to be highly disturbed nowadays, such is the fate of /b/.

>>734247958
no, there is no real argument this can refer to is what im saying.

If someone here really is a vegan, they're probably retarded in a way or another.

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>>734250683
It's 2017 man us faggots are everywhere
>even 4chan's savior Trump supports keeping fag marriage

>>734243624
Go die a painful death.

>>734244430
lol nice ;}

>>734250912
>2017
That's true. Mental disorders and mental well-being has been going down for quite some while now. Results in such hormonal tragedy cases and highly insufficient parents who take bad care of their kids, which results in even more retardation.

>>734245000
Amy Shroomer ??

>>734251048
Vegans are physically weak and sad. Unless they supplement with some processed crap. And protein based veggie food is also highly processed for human consumption. Weak faggots.

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>>734251197
That made zero sense you incoherent retard.

Here have some porn

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>>734251410
Probably doesn't to a mentally crippled faggot like you. The damage is done. May your gay shit keep your happy tho.

>>734244430
Here is a good song for you . . .

https://youtu.be/li-adM-qOwI

>>734244430
Welcome to Mexico, the land of multiple store fronts.

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>>734251503
It does keep me very happy thanks retard

>>734246571
Eat your own chair dicky. This one is mine.

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>>734251817
Primal needs and entertainment is always the easiest form for simplistic people.

>>734247006
Satin panties.

>>734235830
Do you count your macros? What's your kcal limit per day? Also your BMR. And DYEL

>>734247594
Cute kitty

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>>734252054
>Primal needs and entertainment is always the easiest form for simplistic people.
See what could you mean by this? 'Primal needs fulfillment is the easiest form of entertainment for simplistic people' is my best guess. I hope for your sake English is your second language because you sound really retarded.

>>734252259
Truly is. Don't you have any trap thread to go to? There's bunch of them out there who would like your shitty content.

>>734252145
No i dont need to.

Vegan lifestyle is the best, because you can really just eat anything and be healthy.

YOU LOSE.

>>734236538
>nothing died
So plants aren't alive?

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>>734252357
*any trap threadS
*There's A bunch

Kek I'm being judged by a simpleton, the more you post the more apparent your retardation is. And no I don't like the trap threads, I like real men.

>>734252437
You're a fucking retard and I bet you can't even lift your own body weight. KYS

>>734248034
The one on the left.

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>>734252553
Your delusions are amusing.

>>734252568
Why would i need to do that? i dont. You imbecile carnist.

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>>734252681
Your retardation is stunning

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>>734252553
Top keks for a total homo tard.

>>734252738
I will fuck your boipussy raw

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>>734252762
Says the faggot with a real mental disability.

>>734252857
your limp dick wouldnt do anything

>>734252952
Bite the pillow, boy

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>>734252681
>>734252813
>>734252893

Hi samefag have some porn

>>734248104
Ooo trying to be hard, little boy?

Go eat some rice-noodles with shui sauce.


Su Chi Ho

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>>734236538

Fuck chickens. Want me to kill a chicken with my bare fucking hands? I don't even care, fuck compassion. I literally eat their fucking hearts.

>>734252983
no thanks, im not into homo stuff.

>>734253055
Neither am I but nothing's more thug than fucking a man in the ass. That's gangster.

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>>734253005
You are a sad person.

>>734252813
>>734253186
agreed

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>>734253127

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>>734253186
Wow you keep replying to me you must be enjoying all this faggot porn. Here have some more

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>>734253414
I'm just watching a movie and all the vegan degenerates abandoned the thread so why not.

>>734253302
If you're vegan, then you must like dick

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>>734253523

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>>734253674

>>734250126
The old jailbat threads were good.

Too bad 4chan went mainstream.


I am pretty sure I saw Nic Endo's vagina.

>>734242230
lol'd

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>>734253793
Mmm you just gave me a craving for crumpets think I'll go make some

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>>734253970
Be sure to use plenty of vegetable oils, they're good for you.

>>734254122
That is kind of amazing.

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>>734254122
I will thank you tard!

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>>734254210
>>734252813
Samefagging much you fag.

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>>734254347
nice try retard

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>>734254653
Such a shame you can only attach one file per post

>>734250126
Danjkest meme

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>>734254653
Just a tard then. You should disappear already.

>>734250126
bork bork

i am a frog

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>>734254719

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>>734254818
>>734254912
And you're the one to accuse me of being samefag kek

>>734250357
um

>>734250357
uh

>>734250357
silly korrigans

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>>734255071
Fag's a fag.

>>734250357
eh oh uh good stuff m8

>>734236755
Because we are well adapted for a broad range of food sources including meat. Im vegan because we no longer need meat to sustain ourselves. At this point we consume it only for selfish and frankly self destructive reasons.

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>>734255218
Doesn't work as an insult when I'm open about it and posting gay porn retard

>>734255299
>At this point... blabbering
Enjoy your degenerative lifestyle.

>>734255452
You fuck guys too aye?

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>>734255352
Doesn't matter. At least your genes wont pass on, even though you might unfortunately affect someones growing environment to become faggy.

>>734255596
no homo

>>734251503
heheheh cool photo heh

>>734251718
https://youtu.be/n7vENg3aT9c?list=PLMQ8sIGkZI7OHFOiqEwhOhV40SLboWS7Y

Love,


Duke

Every time I grill a steak on the bbq, my mouth waters. Do you vegan fags feel that way when you mow the lawn?

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>>734255620
Yeah fuck kids man who wants to raise annoying little fuckers who might grow up to be tards like you

>>734255958
kek

>>734256076
best post so far

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>>734256075

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>>734256201

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>>734256294

gay vegans pfft

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>>734256352

>>734235830
A woman ate my heart once. She still has it.

https://youtu.be/jWS2FW-yBNk

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>>734256425
Prerry much like women, illogical and faggy.

>>734256456

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>>734256607