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Should abortion be legal?

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Should abortion be legal?
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>>726903331
Of course.
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>>726903331
Yes
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Before four months, yes if the woman has a good reason. After that, no unless the woman's life or health is in danger.
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>>726903331
no and this is for /pol/ not /b/ everyone who said yes is a cuck btw
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>>726903331
It should be mandatory.
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>>726903331
Nope. Murder is murder. And killing something more helpless than a baby, that is even worst.
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>>726903331
Only if its retroactive for faggots like you
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>>726904378
But thats exactly why its so satisfying.
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>>726904089
This guy gets it.
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>>726904463
Gtfo you Tumblr shill
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Ask women.
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With reason as the starting point of this discussion, and given the scientific knowledge available, it makes sense to consider necessary for personhood to have some sort of hardware that has the required structures for a self aware consciousness capable of reason, even if it is not yet actively doing. We dont know when this happens exactly (the formation of the required hardware), but we can be pretty sure it does not happen before synaptogenesis. So yeah, it should be legal up until that point.
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>>726903331
killing babies is an honored tradition. are you a christian or something?
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>>726904665
I was talking about the fleshlight dumbass. Its actually great, if not a bit small.
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>>726904715
Eat a dick, you feminist cuck
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>>726904841
found the Triggered cuck
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Depends.

Was the woman okay with having sex with a guy knowing that it could happen and she's healthy and economically stable, then no.

Was she raped or is her, or the baby's health in danger or does the baby has a crippling defect? Yes, by all means.
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Yes and eating humans. Also cannibalism shuold be legal.
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>>726904987
Who cares?
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>>726904715
cuck
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The amount of times cuck was used in this thread is essentially proof /b/ is composed of autistic, retarded, inbred faggots. You all should have been aborted... Would have been better than the neet lives you're living, anyway.
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>>726904463
"For the wages of sin is death"
-Romans 6:23

If you murder an innocent, then you should be killed too without mercy.
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>>726905434
>cites the Bible
>would have been stoned to death for 284 things he's done in his life already

Well at least you can rape chicks for a few shekels.
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institutionalized mass murder is fine. stop thinking about it. if you even care that makes you a christcuck. do you want to be a christcuck?
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Yes and anyone who says otherwise is stupid
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>>726905352
Hey dipshit, cuck was used twice in response to the same comment.
How's out feel to be outsmarted by someone with down syndrome?
Bleach will cure your problem if taken orally and in large quantities.
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>>726905434
fucking jews.
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>>726905352
exactly. These retards on this board just play catch with the word "cuck" when they don't have any logical argument
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>>726905669
I'd rather not fuck Jews
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>>726903331
In the very specific case of not wanting the baby, yes. Otherwise, no.
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>>726905622
wow that's pretty tough of you :)
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>>726905505
Fuck off cunt. Abort= murder.
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>>726905120

I don't know why I always take this phrase at face value, but man does this phrase really bother me.

hurr durr who cares? hurr
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>>726905777
Trips of truth
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>>726905534
christians have made an artform of institutionalized mass murder
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>>726904987
>its the babys fault the rapist raped.
stop triggering me.
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>>726905777
Yeah, murdering an embryo/foetus. It's ironic because I see so many people on here laugh at people dying and saying stuff like "he was a nigger so he deserved to die anyway," but killing an embryo is terrible?
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>>726906061
Do you ejaculate?
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>>726905960
neat, how do they do it?
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>>726905757
Dude, if you won't a pizza, then you shouldn't order it. But when the delivery guys is front your door, and you just say "well, I change of mind pal, I don't wan't anymore this pizza, I'm not gonna pay nothing, fuck off" that is just be a dick wanting skip your responsibilities. Same with abort.

Therefore, If you don't want a son, then you shouldn't order it (Abstinence is the best)
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>>726905960
Efficiency is the result of evolution, faggot
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>>726906141
do you know hoe to talk?
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>>726906168
Sterilization is best in your case
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>>726903572
b is for everything
plus we all know what pol will say
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PRAISE ABORT!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWE_M0CX9So
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>>726906258
I asked a pretty straight forward question which has yet to be answered
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>>726906258
>hoe

KEK
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>>726906093
All persons are equal,
but some persons are more equal than others.
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>>726903331
Up until the acquisition of language yes. Abortions should be extended into a fourth trimester
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>>726906350
So you're only against abortion as long as it's not black?
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>>726906446
Just if the baby has an "error" like:
>Down's Syndrome
>Microcephaly
>His parents are satanics or junkies
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>>726906168
english bad, point good.
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>>726904786
The most rational response.
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>>726907025
May you please fix my comment, showing my errors?
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>>726906350
you got that from animal farm faggot

>communist shit is my deal
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>>726906304
>I hate my wife and her boyfriend too
the cuck shed makes me love my wife!
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>>726905434
But anon, you cant kill something that isnt alive. And like i give a shit about your bible, im going to hell in every religion.
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>>726907394
>same with abort
same with abortion
>if you won't a pizza
if you dont want a pizza


fuck this thats enough.
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>>726905622
It was used 4 times before my comment... At least you were right about the part where you're an autistic retard.
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you faggots always make fun of cucks but how insecure are you to care who your girl has sex with?
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>>726907935
No one who posts "cuck" unironically has a girlfriend... Or ever had sex for that matter.
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>>726907935
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>>726906061
I mean, the woman has plenty of time to abort the baby before it develops. It would be pretty shitty to be neglected because of that. It would be extremely unlikely for a woman to want to take care of a baby like that, especially if it was a product of an extremely abusive rape like a kidnap or something similar.
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>>726903331
Why does everything needs to be so polarised now, its not the question of completely lagal do what you want, or completely prohibited because its bad and bad is not good.

I guess the answear is somewhere in the middle, allow abortion in those cases when mothers life is in danger, when fetus is damaged and would result in highly dysfunctional human beeing, when the pregnancy is result of a rape and mother doesn't want it.
But don't allow people to just treat it as "oh shit" button when they fucked up.
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>>726906093
>comparing niggers lighting other niggers on fire to baby deaths.
wew lad
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>>726908314
you must be from some third world. you can hand off a baby to the authorities without any sort of repercussions.
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>>726904378
you kill more life every time you wank than whatever's growing in an uterus a week after conception.
come to think fo it.
how dare you shed skin cells.
kill yourself so you can never harm anyone again
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pirlP48EajI

THAT FUCKING PIC OP HOLY SHIT MY SIDES
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>>726908353
the way the law stands is do what you want and abort if you feel like it. my body my rules.
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>>726907824
>im going to hell in every religion.

That is the problem with atheists= they just don't care nothing, therefore, as they don't expect be punished after death, that is the why they are a threat to everyone on this earth:

"Lol, I murdered my son, what cares? abortion is legal, and God doesn't exist. Let's make my womb an Auchwitz and let's keep killing babies"

In conclution:
The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.
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>>726908500
>I was raped and now I'm pregnant, I'm going to wait nine months for it to be born just to give it to the authorities
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>>726906168
bait
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>>726908688
you belong in the the trash can.
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>>726908796
kill it. its its own fault dummy,
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>>726903331
Sure. It's not actually a human until a couple months into the pregnancy.
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>>726908726
Morals arent exclusive to religion. The thing about evil is that its a constant. You could never fight it in any realistic way. Evil is also a part of every person, to some degree or another. Hell, youre here, so you should know this if youre not a newfag.
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>>726908721
Depends on the country obviously, but yes it does, and i accept the law, and "do what you want" stand is way better than prohibiting it i would say.
What people beeing anti-abortion pro-life etc don't get, is that under this law, they are free to not abort, and they are also free to change peoples minds about it, prohibiting it would result in huge ammount of unregistered, often dangerous abortions.
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>>726909043
the only fight against evil is religion, goober.
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>>726903331
The law has no right over free will involving what a person does on or in his/her own body. Anti-abortion laws are just stepping stones to gradually allowing the law to mandate bar code tattoos, ID implants, GPS implants, trade implants, mood behavior long-term med dispensers, mandated surgeries, etc. The "pro life" argument being about morality is a farce. If it was true, pro life people would be against the death penalty, anti-war, pro-social programs, pro-education, etc. "Pro-life" is just authoritarian control over personal choice over one's own body, any other argument is the point of view of someone conned by the faux morality scheme.
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>>726908726
>not being a part of a religion is now the same as being a threat to society
>not believing in god = same level as pedophiles and rapists
nice bait anon
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>>726908834
>#BlackLivesMatter
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>>726909173
you write like a chump. I cant even take you seriously.
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>>726909197
Youre a special kind of retarded, arent you?
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>>726908500
Why would a woman go through the effort of letting the kid be born if she's not gonna give two shits about it anyway when she can just kill it before it even develops? There goes your first world education, I seriously hope you are shitposting.
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>>726909370
tipping your fedora doesnt work against isis or anyone else desu.
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>>726909488
its a human life. rape isnt a huge problem in first worlds.
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>>726909250
>Immanuel Kant has all moral that we need

Fuck off neo-liberal JIDF faggot.
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>>726909501
Yet telling them the story of a talking snake and fruit that gets you b& will? Youre either retarded or delusional.
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>>726908726
You're a funny guy.
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>>726909580
Glad to see you were joking after all, you had me worried for a second.
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>>726903331
Obviously. It's useless cells. There is nothing special about fetuses.
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>>726909501
>He is the Fedora Tipper.
>The one, true superhero whose superpower is fedora tipping.
>Watch as he confronts his enemy and says his famous line!
"M'lady"
>The enemy falls to the floor, confused, dazed.
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>>726909600
you really thiink muslims are faking it huh? thats your point of view?
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>>726909613
>>726909613
>>726909613
>>726909613
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>>726903331
Murder or not, I would rather abort the little shit than suffer for months before ripping my genitals apart.
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idk its murder. Wouldnt have my bitch do it, cause I dont like the idea of it, but if she wanted it id let her. its not my buisness what she does with her body. rather her do it safe at a clinic than at like someones house and die.
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yes. the world is actively telling humanity to fuck off, so no, we don't need any more people. anyone against early-term abortion defends such a position has no argument outside of nonsecular nonsense.
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>>726909779
Never said they were faking it. How exactly do you expect to deal with a militant muslim, hell, a militant anyone, with the power or your religion? Thats a story i gotta hear, i havent had a good laugh in ages.
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>>726909850
>"anyone against early-term abortion has no argument outside of nonsecular nonsense."
fixed
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>>726909735
well, they're useful cells, all the more reason
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>>726909945
america is a christian nation if you didnt know.
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>>726910068
>useful
What's basically a parasite is useful?
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>>726910177
Wrong. America was founded on freedom of religion, and most of our founding fathers were freemasons. Do some research.
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>>726910068
Sperm and eggs are cells. Doesn't mean jerking off and having a period is murder.
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>>726903331
Yes. Post birth abortions should be legal too.
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>>726904378
Worse*
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>>726910256
they were mostly unaffiliated deists, if i recall correctly.
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>>726909613
"He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still."
-Revelation 22:11

And circumcision should be obligatory for everyone. This in the only way to prevent that disguting habit of "self-rape" (masturbation)
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>>726910256
you believe everything you hear dont you.
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>>726910185
I think it's stemcells or something.
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>>726910378
That wasnt added to our money until the 50s. I believe 1954 specifically, but i may be wrong.
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>>726910469
sure kid.
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>>726910348
Is that true? Do you have a source for this?
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>>726910378
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust
>"In God We Trust" first appeared on U.S. coins in 1864[3] and has appeared on paper currency since 1957.
>founding fathers
>1864
nope
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>>726910515
see
>>726910526
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>>726910515
Im serious, this is true. Money without it is especially valuable.
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>>726910371
You can't sleep either eh? I've been on bed for like 4 hours and can't fall asleep. What's keeping you awake other than all these awful sinners?
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>>726910565
I bet it would be heathen.
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>>726910526
Ah, it was on coins that early?
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>>726910614
I just want to save a couple shitty souls from the hell.
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>>726910667
At this point, you should just admit you have no arguement.
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>>726910767
I'm totatlly fucked. everything I do is shit. Also in god we trust.
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>>726910901
That sarcastic statement was the most intelligent thing youve said this entire thread. Personally, i dont care what you believe. Its when you push it on other people that it becomes a problem.
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So with, on average 1 in 3 pregnancies ending in miscarriage does this make your omnipotent god the biggest abortionist of all..?
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>>726911034
In go we trust is on every dollar you own antifa that has to hurt.
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>>726903331
No; You dont get to kill a child because it inconveniences you
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The dollar bill 'god' quote was a reaction to 'godless' communism by the US
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>>726911183
Have you never heard of direct deposit? I havent carried paper money since i was a child. Though its mainly because i cant call my bank and cancel cash if i get mugged.
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>>726909227
Thats the argument for slavery
If it's in my body (my property) its my property.
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...but we have the death penalty
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>>726903331
in the cases of forcible rape/incest, maybe..
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>>726911419
This.
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>>726911229
It is a fetus and it is not a person. Their nervous system is not developed enough to even be potentially able of being conscious before the third month.
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>>726908978
If you found bacteria on mars you'd constitue that as life right, you wouldn't kill that would you.

No, same for a growing child, you dont get to constitue what life is for different beings. Life is life and its wrong to take that away from someone.
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>>726911319
credit cards reveal your every purchase to anyone who wants the lot.
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>>726909802
You would honestly kill a living child, yours i might add, because it'd be an inconvenience to you. Horrible
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>>726911419
>A person being punished by their sins against society it's the same that a mother killing his son.

Get load of this faggot.
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>>726911506
>Not using a vpn to shop online
Its not that hard anon
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Read this....end of argument :-)
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>>726911480
It is a child with working organs, its only way of being alive is nourishment from the mother. You dont get to constitue what life is because it inconveniences you.
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that is a human being.

you dont have the right to kill it
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>>726911707
I am not saying it is not life. It is. It is human life. Those facts are irrelevant for the argument I am giving, retard.
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>>726911870
Then your argument is what, that a mother has the right to kill it if it is inside of her?

Its on my property, I can do whatever I want with it right? Exact same argument for slavery.

>dumbass
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>>726911613
confirmed retarded. inb4 pretending.
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>>726911480
>Conciousness

You wouldn't unplug your mother from a machine giving her life if she was in a 9 month coma right?
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Yes.
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>>726911963
No, imbecile. My argument is this
>>726904786

And I will add the self awareness is relevant because it allows us to verify we are using reason.
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>>726903331
Abortion should be legal until the 75th trimester. Longer for some folks.
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>>726911980
Whats wrong with protecting my privacy and financial info? Go on ahead, ill wait.
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>>726912055
If she was brain dead with no chance of recovery, yes. If I had the means, cryonics is also an option.
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>>726912198
Well a baby is not brain dead
also cryonics? this isn;t a comic book, you cant freeze someone and expect them to live after thaw.
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>>726903331
I think so, I believe it makes the world better. People (especially 14-16 year olds) who don't want children shouldn't have them, nothing good comes of it.

If people who shouldn't be having children stopped having them the cost of losing labour would be outweighed by the lessening of crime.

The lives of 4 month old fetuses are IMO worth far less than a fully grown animal, I'll get around to caring about these possibly good but likely bad lives after I go vegan.
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>>726912120
>imbecile
synonyms for stupid dont make your argument any more valid.

Then were talking conciousness.
Like I stated, you wouldn't unplug an unconcious person from a 9 month coma.
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>>726910256
Wrong. America was founded by a group of white guys who believed other people were merely property and who did not want to pay their taxes.
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>>726912173
R tard.
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>>726912276
Before synaptogenesis it pretty much is. And cryonics has advanced. Ice crystals no longer shatter your cells with newer techniques.

>>726912368
Read again. In fact, I will quote
>it makes sense to consider necessary for personhood to have some sort of hardware that has the required structures for a self aware consciousness capable of reason, even if it is not yet actively doing it.
>not yet actively doing it

The requisite is the hardware.
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>>726912424
eat every dick you find weeee!
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>>726912424
>implying britian didnt enslave people
>implying slavery was only done by whites
Ill give ya the taxes part, though the main problem was taxation without representation
>>726912426
Is that all you know how to say?
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>>726912772
>rtard
I dont say that this is my stalkers. the guy that says rtard is very young.
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So in laments terms, if your brain doesn't work you are not alive.
A baby starts pumping blood from its heart around 5 weeks.
Synaptogenesis starts at around 2 months.

With my coma argument, you wouldnlt unplug someone with working organs and a not working brain correct?

Same with a baby, you dont get to kill it when its body is working and allowing it to live. (it is alive)

having the power to designate what life is to justify killing a human is evil in of itself.
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>>726912955
>>726912596
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Look at society - it should be mandatory; or encouraged at the very least.
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>>726908633
Not even equatable, but you wouldn't understand.
The sperm can't live outside the nuts for very long, that's why they're frozen. By freezing them we perserve what little life they have before they expend all their energy trying to impregnate an egg.
Skin cells die naturally, as part of their natural life cycle.
An unborn child can, if brought full term, both support itself, hopefully once grown, then will die some time later, preferably due to old age.
The strawman is strong in this one.

Also, no. If you can't be responsible enough to make sure your sexual encounters don't bring forth another life then you should either A) have to learn tge hard way or B) kill the child and go to jail for being a shitty person.
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>>726913093
I relate to this anon somewhat. Its pretty simple to not have a child if you dont want one. Though thats harsh as fuck, but to each his own.
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>>726912955
With your coma argument, I would unplug them or not depending on the damage their hardware (in humans, brain) has sustained and if it is possible to recover from it.

Again, the relevant factor is the hardware and not how well it is presently performing.

Also synaptogenesis is just a safe bet, the minimum neurological structures required for consciousness is probably acquired even later.

My argument has nothing to do with something being alive or not. It would also apply to a sufficiently advanced AI.
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>>726913093
Society won't live up to your ideology, Champ. I mean, I believe people should actively try to learn and grow, look at things from other perspectives, and not be so dogmatic about their own beliefs, but even if I make it a law you're still going to sit in the privacy of your home and never challenge your own belief system.

Making it illegal will go back to those marvelous days of back alley abortions where mother and child died. Only now, the kidneys and liver will be harvested afterward.

So since people aren't going to stop being stupid (society proves this), nor are they going to stop being irresponsible, society needs to adapt. How we handle the problem is a different story, but simply saying "well, people shouldn't do it," isn't a solution.

If you're anti-abortion, perhaps you should call for your politicians to make it more financially possible to raise a child. Or demand more funding into medical research to prevent harsh birth defects.

Or you can mind your own fucking business and live life as you see fit and not insist everyone else should over something that has no impact on society.
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>>726913464
The point is, is that they will recover dumbass. They will have a fully functioning brain within nine months. Even sooner for a baby.

Were talking about human beings. You don't get to kill a human being because it inconveniences you, nor do you have the moral authority to put your definition of life.
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>>726913093
explain niggers.
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>>726913653
Not a history buff, are you? Humans have been doing this at least as long as written history - likely longer.
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>>726913653
>>726913628
>>726913464
>>726912344
kill yourselves.
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>>726913713
We did a lot of things that were awful and immoral.

We now live in a society with educated, techonoligically advanced people that have no reason to justify primitive practices.
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>>726913653
Defining life is not about morality, it is biology. I see nothing sacred about life or anything. Nobody has proved something like that.

The coma case can be different situations. Depending on the situation, it is ok to uplug them or not. The basic criteria for that is the status of their hardware. Read my original argument again and you will realize it is the only reason based argument. No muh feels. No convenience. No bogus morality. Just facts and logic.
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>>726913806
Naw, I made it past the first trimester. It's illegal now.
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>>726913806
So pro life. Much retardation

>>726913895
Morality is not a feature of reality. Nobody has proven its existance in reality beyond our subjective constructs, even if they follow a pattern due to the social nature of our species.
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>>726903331
no, its wrong.
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>>726913895
Oh really? Because I'm pretty sure we still do this. Remember those times we invaded sovereign nations because they were putting up governments we didn't like? Remember that time the US invaded Grenada to send a message to everyone else that dropping out of the global trade is not an option?
Don't pretend like we're moral people now. The only difference is we don't crowd around the guillotine; we're still perfectly content that it's being used.

Besides, moral actions are really just subject to interpretation. I think it's perfectly moral for you to stab the guy banging your wife, but society disagrees with me.
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>>726913628
Or you can just let "evolution" take its natural route and let those incapable of being responsible kill themselves off. I see no reason why we should prevent an adult from making their own choices over their life but when you stast threatening the livelihood of another, that's when you've done wrong to another. With the way things are going, Darwin will never be able to make sure that only the "strongest" survive. Do you really want that?

>>726913268
Yeah, it's harsh but some people wont learn unless you let them.

>>726913378
Thanks for siding with me?
>>726913662
What do you fail to comprehend, nigger?
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>>726912424
Keked. Admit it you would own slaves if u could
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what if she wants to have unprotected sex but niether want to have a kid they just dont like the fact that condoms make sex suck and they dont want to be held back by the burden of a crying sack of flesh called a "baby"
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>>726914421
You take the pill or abort early. That is obvious.
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>>726914043
killing babies is the liberal way of life.
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>>726914169
I dont think youre in the position to decide what will prolong the longevity of your country.

I know well that we are not perfect people, but it shouldn't be up for debate whether you should kill your child.

You getting cucked doesnt justift murder lol.
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>>726903331
Yes.
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>>726914566
dont double space. its middle school faggotry.
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>>726914299
A lot of people who should have been killed by natural selection are surviving now because of all the safety precautions and medicine. We're not letting natural selection take its course, anyway.
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>>726914641
We're arguing killing babies and that's what you're mad about?
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>>726914500
Not an argument.
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>>726903331
>/TV/
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>>726913093
>that's why they're frozen
Should have been: that's why we freeze them(speaking about sperm banks).

I'm drunk n suck at proof reading my shitposts. Prolly just gonna shutup now.
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>>726914724
why not? killing babies is one of your major platforms.
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>>726914566
>> I dont think youre in the position to decide what will prolong the longevity of your country.
Then who is? You? Why you? Who after you? Your children? What if they don't share your views?

>>I know well that we are not perfect people, but it shouldn't be up for debate whether you should kill your child.

Then who is? You? The state? If police justify it, is it fine? Or are your statements arbitrary and to be defined at a later point?

>>You getting cucked doesnt justift murder lol.
I feel it does. You feel it doesn't. Not everyone has the same opinion as you, and that doesn't make them wrong nor does it make you right.
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>>726914822
pro choice is not killing babies. faggot. we only kill the ones that dont deserve to live.
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>>726914834
Obviously not nihliestic fucks like you, people who think clearly, not shaky imageboard lurkers.

It is a natural belief that killing is wrong, and is only justified under very minute terms. Inconvenience is not a justification.

Facts dont care about your feelings.
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>>726914662
So why encourage it by adding more safty nets? You are working against evolution by preventing stupidity from killing itself off. The answer is: make it illegal and let the people who don't want the child so much to get illegal abortions where they're likely to die.
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Lets all become faggots, no more abortion needed.
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>>726915036
Killing another human being, if I have to clarify
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>>726915036
If it's natural belief that killing is wrong, why are so many cultures built around it? Why is it consistently the means to an end? Why is it how countries inevitably end disputes? It seems to me, natural instinct is to kill your opposition, provided nobody will kill you in return.
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>>726915262
Killing under the circumstance of protecting yourself and others.
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To all these faggots, I couldn't give a fuck less about abortion, just don't make me pay for it in any way shape or form. Don't take my taxes and subsidize it, don't make any healthcare provider cover it and all that jazz.

>b-but muh free abortion

Nigger if you want to kill babies, pay for it yourself. Your poor excuses and life choices do not make it ok to ask for others to end your u desirable offspring.
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>>726915036
You mean like the fact laid out here?
>>726904786
>>726913464
>>726913907
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>>726914952
>kill the ones who don't deserve to live
What? Either I'm missing something or this statement stands:
Dude, your making a terrible argument for pro-life. And I'm with you. Get cold, let those who can make choices fuck themselves over and protect those who can't. Exception for the children. My question is: how do we define whose an adult and who is a child? I'm kinda partial to: is sexually organs working? If yes: adult* else child

*teens, let them fuck themselves over but offer protection for the more experenced adults
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>>726903331
>Mfw pro abortion
>Gf gets pregnant and aborts it
>All I can think about is how my child should be 2 right now
>She's been depressed ever since
>Things aren't the same between us
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>>726915262
Lol. Yeah, I'm sure most wars were fought out of self defense. Unless your argument is "everyone else is some form of threat and they may eventually harm me or someone else, thus I should kill them." If that's the case, why be anti-abortion?
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>>726915262
its very effective. the world is not a safe space.
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>>726913907
This. I've seen videos of people who've had partial lobotomies or partial brain damage, and they don't function fully.
If you can't function like a human, can you really be considered human?
A fetus doesn't have hardware that could even allow it to function like a human, not even close.

The appeal to emotion pro lifers use is frustrating because it has bo basis in logic.
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>>726915460
Would you rather pay for the 18 years of welfare? Or let the child live in squalor or the streets? Or go into the failed foster care system?
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>>726915469
You can pinpoint when a body starts doing shit, you still don't have the authority to dictate life over inconvenience
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>>726915332
You tards that like arguments from potentiality so much, why not abort a fetus that is very likely to grow up as an unloved, broken family, poverty stricken child to later be a murderer or a criminal of any sort?

inb4 that is just a possibility
Same with the pregnancy. Natural miscarriages are a thing. It is in the end just a matter of comparing odds.
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>>726915677
Every human being deserves a chance at life, you dont get to kill a human being because of how you feel.
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>>726903331
Not only should abortion be 100% legal, reproductive rights should also be extended to men, i. e., the father should be able to legally cast aside all rights and responsibilities for the fetus and the human being that might come out of it, since that is what women can effectively do by having the abortion.
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>>726915586
Neither, if I wanted to be a father I can afford it and take up on it. right now I don't want kids so I wear condoms and make sure these bitches are on the pill. I personally do not believe in abortion because it is murder.

I can't speak for others this is why I don't care if you kill your own. If anything Bitch kill more just don't make another fag pay for it that's all
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>>726915492
Fucking hell: you're and I missed an apostrophe in who's. I really shouldn't shitpost when drinking. Prolly a thousand other mistakes too.
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>>726915492
if theres no grass in the field flip it over and play in the mud. I'm obviously a practicing pedo.
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>>726915332
... So, kill everyone who may be a threat to you or anyone else...? I'm not quite sure you're even sure of what your argument and stance on life is.
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>>726915651
I need no authority. I am right and do not rely on bullshit moral assumptions that are fake as shit. Read the original argument, think a little, and try to address it (and fail).

>>726915760
Objectively nobody deserves anything. That is just a useful term we use in society to designate reward and punishment for certain actions. And my argument is as far as it gets from fucking feels.
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>>726915827
If someone poses an imminent threat on your life or the life of another, you have the right to defend yourself and others, if killing is necessary, they put themselves in the position to have their life taken

Obviously im not saying rading villages and bombing countries is okay because they pose an opposition to your country
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>>726915798
... Except shit happens. Condoms break, women still get pregnant on birth control. Society is not going to stop having sex just because they're poor. In fact, they're seem to be more likely to do it, so we have to come up with some form of solution instead of ideology that is just preached to ignore a problem.
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>>726915494
>4 years ago
>Had my 1st gf
>She got pregnant
>She was crying about how she was gonna abort it
>I didn't care, it's not a human
>She got the abortion, I can't know for sure but I feel it's possible that she felt something change with her
>I was happier than ever, cause we ended up not working out at all together
>She's excelling in her photography career now and im enjoying my life and progressing through my career
Abortion is great, people make mistakes sometimes and deserve second chances
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>>726915896
>kill babies
>stem cells
>profit
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>>726915818
Sign, well then you've got other problems ... and peoples lives you've ruined, but good for you, I guess. plz b troll tho, cause I've seen what can happen to the little ones that have been abused. It's annoying as fuck and caused me to stop being a wanna be pedo.
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>>726916027
That is nit even how the meme goes...
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>>726915896
Its not an assumption, its wrong to kill over inconvenience. If your brain worked correctly you'd realize it.

While the fucked up world you live in feels its okay to live with no consequence and no regard for life, I live in reality.
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>>726916086
>>726916035
>>726916086
they make me stronger
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>>726915969
It's actually not that hard to do it if everyone jumps aboard

>reduce welfare for single mothers
>shame and frown upon bastard children
>after the first born out of wedlock or missing father you get your shit tied to receive government help if refused then no help for you
>teach an actual sex Ed class in high school
>provide contraceptives to men and women
>reward marriages with equal rights
>return the at fault divorce whether cause by men or women I.e cheating
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>>726916180
Prove it is objectively wrong. You cannot. Nobody has done since morality is not and objective feature of reality.

And you still have not adressed my original argument 100% based on reason and facts.
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>>726916350
Murder is evil.
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>>726915896
>Objectively nobody deserves anything. That is just a useful term we use in society to designate reward and punishment for certain actions.
So then should we not write laws that give freedoms to people? They don't deserve it so let anyone do anything they want to anyone else because, objectively, nobody deserves anything.
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>>726915941
Your rules and guidelines only work in constrained circumstance; they do not work in application. How do you determine who the genuine threat is in need of extermination? What if the person you killed gained the upper hand on someone trying to kill them and you came in at the wrong time?

What if the person being killed deserved to die under your guidelines?

What if you're carrying a deadly pathogen that's highly contagious and your very existence is a threat through no fault of your own?

It's nice to have nice little guidelines, but the problem with ethics is that they're never neat and tidy; there are always circumstance.

My issue with pro-lifers isn't necessarily that they're pro-life, it's their instance on imposing their beliefs on other people over a subject that has no impact on society for something as deeply personal and traumatizing as abortion. And you try to justify it under strict ideologies and failed "reason" and "logic," but ignore the logical arguments against the view.

I have consistently beaten down your arguments and you've consistently refused to change your view at all. Your personal ideologies should have no power over mine so long as my ideologies do not harm you.

The function of law is to maintain social order, and laws that do nothing to correct societal issues have no place in genuine law. The typical concept of murder/homicide has a negative impact on society, same with theft, assault, etc. That is why laws and justice are necessary. Abortion has no actual affect on society, therefor there's no reason for society to have a say in it.
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>>726916503
all that double space
tl;dr
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>>726916463
He covers what I would have said.
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>>726913907
>I see nothing sacred about life or anything.
Okay, you willing to give up your live and all your belongings? No? Then your life is sacred to you, along with your belongings. Granted you wouldn't give up either.
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>>726916296

... If everyone jumps aboard.

Holy fuck, you're kind of an authoritarian, aren't you?
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>>726916614
I don't think you know the definition of the word "sacred."
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>>726916423
Then you shouldn't eat meat. Or use products harvested that wreck ecosystems and kill other lifeforms. Or outsource manufacturing to 3rd world countries which ruins air quality and kills hundreds of thousands of people.

If you want the moral high ground, kill yourself.

Besides, you still didn't even adress the man's facts about synaptogenesis
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>>726916423
Assertion, not proof.

>>726916463
Create useful fiction

Truth, including morality related truth, is provisional. It changes according to an ever increasing (and ever more detailed and reality matching) data set and starting points. If we consider all of existence a system and we want to remain contradiction free, then we cannot define truth within this system

Since we cannot define absolute moral truth (or any truth unless we have access to some meta-reality (so far we do not)) within reasonable means (and without assuming it) and because the only way for us to have meaningful discussions despite differing starting points and/or values is to use reason, it follows that it does not make sense to impose our value judgments of right and wrong without proper rational justification (which would be impossible since our value judgements stem from ethical frameworks that might be arbitrary, not shared and not a feature of reality). From this amoral void, luckily, emerges a principle of self-determination, since imposition of our value judgements would necessarily imply shitting on reason (specially on the concept of burden of proof) and using force or other means to make our morality prevalent. Also applying this selectively could easily be special pleading.

Something that I like about this approach is that you could try to measure how "well" a society is doing by quantifiable factors such as stability, information and the patterns that emerge from this self determination or lack of it (see http://arxiv.org/pdf/1410.8001v1.pdf for a rather funny example of lack of self determination disguised as the opposite at first glance...at least according to my interpretation and in the context of what I just mentioned). Of course this is just what comes to my mind and probably not the best way to measure it.

Force itself could be seen as a tool, the problem arises when it is used to skip the starting point of what we have engaged in.
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>>726913093
bullshit a sperm if it finds an egg and is allowed to turn into a foetus, can, if brought full term, both support itself, hopefully once grown, then will die some time later, preferably due to old age. Worlds over populated anyway, people living with a conscious, self awareness should have rights over a parasitic bunch of cells living inside of them. You religious people are fucking weirdos.
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>>726903331

there's one thing i want all bitches to realize, aside from an image of a fetus that's the size of a quarter and just looks like a little human. if you're old enough--i'm 40--they look just like those "muscle" figurines we have 32 years ago and were popular among kids.

ALL legally aborted fetuses are FEMALE. we all start as female. that's why men have nipples. at legal abortion age, a fetus is female.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h9X9IqZvi0
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>>726916595
I don't want your support, I want to argue!
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>>726916503

You say you've beaten down my argyments, but you just keep approaching it with this mindset of.

>Everything is relative, reality means nothing, why have society and order and law. Sounds like you've watched to many George Carlin stand ups, might have taken it too close to heart havn't you.
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>>726916806
You just want to be angry
Ok
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>>726916706
>synaptogenesis
yur a faggot

>>726916759
faggot
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>>726916759
Also want to add that of course there is a reality, or at least we assume there is one. But if truth is what describes correctly the features of reality, then we are always wrong. That object that you just measured is not 5,0m long, but 5.004522m long according to a more precise measurent and even then that is wrong when compared to ever more accurate measurements. This works even in a discrete universe. If you try to escape this by saying "it is between 5,0m long and 5.1m long", then you would be just saying a short version of a list of disjunctions. That is why I think a more useful definition is that which can be derived from the data set we have available.
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All of you sweaty faggots wont ever procreate anyway, your opinion doesnt matter
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>>726916823
It IS relative. Laws and rules don't exist (except the laws of the universe) - they're imaginary guidelines we made up to make society function better. If these were real, every society would have them and people wouldn't be killing each other over a bird's egg in Africa. We'd all have the same opinions if things weren't relative. That's the entire point. At this point I can't tell if you're trolling or retarded.
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>>726917005
jokes on you I have kids from 3 different women.
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>>726912073
>all that Tyron´s deaths
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>>726916669
And I don't think you know what a "god" is either. Just because it is used in a religious context doesn't mean the word is bound to only be applicable within said context.

Merriam Webster: 2b: entitled to reverence and respect
If your life and belongings aren't entitled to reverence and respect, at least to yourself, then are you willing to forfeit them?
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>>726903331
No.
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>>726917168
For the proper cause, certainly. I'm hardly afraid to die; I was already dead once. But I'm not just going to buy a Snickers for $100 just because I have $100.
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>>726917059
Okay, lets say some sane minded man comes in your house and kills your parents, before leaving he says "Life and reality are relative" and you're completley ok with that?

Life is relative, but to sane, rational people, killing is wrong, especially if it's personal.
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As long as none of my tax dollars goes to it or anything to assist any one who has children and doesn't work then I don't fucking care. Seriously if you have kids on welfare,I should be allowed to come over to your fucking house and stomp them to death in the fucking crib.
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>>726903331
No because sexual emergencies are making men fathers with zero responsibility.
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>>726903572
Google what cuck means man. Jesus Christ
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>>726917059
If life is so meaningless and you think morality is so relative, why dont you just go murder someone for the fun of it, or maybe off yourself if it all means nothing.
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>>726909227
You do realize there ARE pro-life people who are against war and the death penalty, right?
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>>726917315
I'd agree with him just before I killed him. o.O
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>>726906791
or
>anti vaccination
>feminists
>liberals
>getto niggers

every people is equal, but they sometimes turn into trash, and trash people is less equal.
it's how the world works
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>>726917455
... Because it's against my moral guideline. o.O It's also against my moral guideline to fly a plane into a building with thousands of people, but apparently, there were at least two people who felt it morally justified.
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>>726916775
Word overpopulation has already been proven to be a myth. It''s only a couple of places that are overpopulated,
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>>726917315
Reality is not relative. Truth is, but that does not mean it can be anything. See >>726916973

>>726917455
Not the same guy to any of these questions, but morality being relative does not mean someone does not subscribe to any. Also there are amoral arguments for freedom and its protection.
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>>726916759
>Truth, including morality related truth, is provisional. It changes according to an ever increasing (and ever more detailed and reality matching) data set and starting points. If we consider all of existence a system and we want to remain contradiction free, then we cannot define truth within this system

If truth is not objective and absolute then nothing is, in cluding reason, and your words have no meaning because it is all realitive to a subjective interpretation of ones outlook on life.

Truth is a word that is like justices, it needs no modifier.

Further, I speak not of right nor wrong. I merely state that abortion should be illegal to allow those who we would save from Darwin to, probably, die if they so wish to kill another humans life.
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itt: virgins get real edgy
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>>726916775
And you work against evolution, good job saving people from Darwin's wrath. He'll be glad to see that he eventually won because of our own self-correcting nature. If we don't allow stupid to kill itself off and instead allow it to breed further with the rest of the population, what do you think will happen?
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>>726917427
Google newfag
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>>726916858
YOU COULD HAVE AT LEAST CORRECTED MY SPELLING/GRAMMAR ERROR! Kinda, yeah.
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>>726918032
Fuck, I'm fucking with my own head by thinking I've made a spelling/grammar error ... everywhere.
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>>726903331
To a point.
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>>726918146
It happens.
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>>726917803
Reality is. Truth is not reality. Reality is the objective existence and truth means "in accordance with reality". We can try to define truth or just take it as the value some claims take depending on the data and models of reality we have available.

Also regarding the old debate of truth as absolute or relative, I would say we do not know and it leads to a bunch of self referential problems. Those that say it is relative see themselves trapped with one sentence that cant be relative and those that say that it is absolute simply assume it is when trying to prove it. That is why provisional truth makes more sense, as mentioned here. >>726916973
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>>726918215
are you retarded?
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>>726906168
What if you get raped?
Retard.
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>>726907025
Not a good point, what if she got raped and became pregnant?
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>>726918318
I think it is more likely that you are retarded. You are the kind of person that is not able to tell apart a map and a cliff depicted in it.
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>>726918215
you typed all of those characters and posted it. the mad man.
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>>726918337
That represent only like 0.1% of cases and why tf should you be able to kill an innocent unrelated human being for your own convinience?
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>>726908726
Look! The autist dares to speak!
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>>726918450
why are you talking about maps when they are not reality?
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>>726917276
So you refuse to state that your life is not sacred to you. Why? If life isn't sacred, why not say it?
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>>726903331
lel it is legal
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>>726918526
It was a jab at you for not being able to distinguish between truth, as in models and claims in accordance with reality (map), and reality itself (cliff depicted on map).
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>>726910734
How do you know that you believe in the right God? I'm assuming you're Christian. How do you know that you're right and not people who believe in the other religions? There are literally thousands of 'gods', how is your one the right one?
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>>726906168
>food analogy
What is this? /v/?
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>>726918671
Im not the guy you were talking to faggot. you suck though. its evident.
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>>726918778
Nice contibution, retardio
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>>726912073
why not just sterilize them then? It's that or tell them to stop fucking so much. Which seems like it's more effective?
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>>726918880
sometimes I read shit that I have to respond to. Its my and everyone else that lurks here's job.
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>>726903331
Can't answer your question due to the picture. That is not a gecko.
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>>726918215
>truth means "in accordance with reality"
Well, according to reality, truth lines up perfectly with it.
How are you conflating what is true, or reality, with what is inturpeted and believed to be true?
Who gives a fuck about what I or anyone for that matter thinks is true, why not care about what is actually true?
If realite just is and truth is "in accordance with reality", then truth just is.
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>>726906350
>Hurting the ghost
DELET THIS RIGHT NOW!
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>>726916973
>But if truth is what describes correctly the features of reality, then we are always wrong.
>That is why I think a more useful definition is that which can be derived from the data set we have available.
So, instead of just trying to be in accordance with reality we need to redefine truth so we're not wrong. Makes sense. What's wrong with trying to find the truth and failing? If you're not dead, you can try again and again and again. So fucking what if we get something wrong 10000 times? If we search long enough, eventually wouldn't we get it right? But you want to redefine what is, and that is a cop out.
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