Top Democrats claim ‘victory’ as GOP health bill fails F

wrong board /pol/tard

>>726784740
Please fuck off back to
>>>/pol/
>>>/pol/
>>>/pol/
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and feel free to kill yourself on the way there.

It didn't fail at all; that's fake media (or was it an alternative fact?)...
LOL!
The best is, he's taking himself down every day a little more.

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>>726784740
>>726785404
FUCK. OFF.
>>>/pol/

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>>726784740
It litterally took 2 years for Obamacare to even be accepted as a liable option by the GOP. It was shot down and delayed for the same reason's Trump's healthcare registration was.

I'm a leaf and even I know you're a fucking moron because you don't know how the government works in your own country,

>>726785027
He's posting here because /pol/ supports Trump and he's too sensitive to be told how much of a moron he is.

>>726785634
He's posting here because he isn't smart enough to argue on /pol/ just like the other pseudo-intellectuals who feel the need to spew their shit on /b/.

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>>726784740
bait

>>726785027
>>726785220
>>726785404
>>726785574
>>726785634
>>726786091

trump failed again ;)

>>726786595
He will never fail as bad as a political party who couldn't produce a strong enough candidate to beat Donald Trump.

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>>726786736
trump has failed impeachment is coming closer ;) his own party doesn't want him in office only the retarded do =D

>>726785027
>>726785220
>>726785574
Need more posters like these in this thread.

>>726784740
The irony is that it failed because of conservatives rejected it

>>726786736
>couldn't produce a strong enough candidate to beat Donald Trump
Well they did, it's just that the DNC is a corrupt farce and chose the worst possible candidate over the obvious populist choice to win.
Like Bernie or not, the dems were so tone deaf in how they dealt with him

>>726786554
trump failed =) and the mental illness has failed as well.

>>726786736
Republicans really failed that one too

>>726787243
this one

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>>726784740
this isn't /pol/, nigger

>>726786873
I realize that they don't teach civics in high school anymore but you may want to brush up on what it takes to impeach a President.
>>726786972
I feel bad for you Bern victims because anyone regardless of their political beliefs who can't see that that man got fucked over good is fooling themselves.

>>726787368
>, he said, choking back angry white kid tears

>>726785220
Pol is full of cancer patients who try too hard to be edgy

>>726785634
>a liable option
>I'm a leaf

well at least that explains why you don't know the American English word "viable", frenchie

>>726787368
/pol/ is for trumptards you moron

>>726785634
The point is that they over hyped this shit every day from the campaign trail until this morning. It was always painted as the most golden ass home run that was a sure fire bet. They haven't shut up about how much better they'd make it since day one.

It was going to be better and everyone was gonna love it.... Except everyone including people in trumps own party hated it (for reasons on both extreme ends of the spectrum).

>>726787544
That perfectly describes people like you who are arguing about an election nearly five months after the fact. People are tired of it. GO AWAY.

>>726786091
this fucking kid

>>726787779
We're arguing about politics because it's fun. It's like watching an old movie or playing an old game who cares if it happened a while ago? It's fun to talk about lol.

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>>726784740
Hate on trubpo

>>726787779
No one is arguing about election. Thread is about Trumpcare which failed hard. So hard.

>>726787721
/pol/ f̶o̶r̶ ̶t̶r̶u̶m̶p̶t̶a̶r̶d̶s̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶m̶o̶r̶o̶n̶ is full of people I'm scared to argue with. ftfy.

>>726787984
I can't believe we still haven't moved to a single payer system. I'd like conservatives to give just ONE example of a country where a single payer system has worked.

>>726788089
free market*

>>726787984
It isn't Trumpcare, it is Ryancare and it did fail. It is going back for debate because it sucks. This is how the government used to work before Democrats lost their collective minds. You are used to one person making decisions with no opposition; that isn't going to happen anymore.

>>726788031
>scared of 15 year old memelords

I'm sure their lack of listening arguments that differ from "muh white genocide" and "the jews" is the reason nobody wants to go there

>>726787424
Bern victim. Yep, was a hard and long road trying to back...her... When we all knew the unarguably better option got FUCKED. Probably because he'd cause the very shake up trump claimed he'd do. The scared shitless career politicians didn't want to risk their favorite butt indent they've worked on for the last "Their entire fucking life".

Either way she needs to stop running

In Australia we have Medicare. What do you Americans have? I don't actually understand.

>>726788257
Then go post this exact thread on /pol/ right now. Do it. I'll watch for it and post the link here.

>>726787424
trump is losing again just like he did in the poles without russian support ;)

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Trump knows exactly what he is doing. This "failure" and he just mapped out the entire House. Democrats and Deep State are playing checkers. Trump plays 3D chess.

>>726788298
We have this thing we call Medicare.

What it is basically is every paycheck, they take a percentage of whatever you make, and you never see it again.
How's yours work?

>>726788273
I don't think she has much of a choice man. Both she and Bill look like they have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel.

>>726788298
It's also called Medicare, it's just terrible and they make it more terrible every year

Because we're getting Great Again™

But we were Great Before™

Seriously™

We Promise™

>>726788498
Trump wouldn't know how to play checkers if we let him hold the instructions.

Keep hoping for whatever "great" he promised you personally.

>>726788517
Government bays a percent of our health bills. From tax money.

>>726788655
Oi.. That's chess

>>726788498
>3D chess

Basically he said that he failed and not going touch healthcare system even with ten foot pole.

>>726788549
But at what point does it just not make sense anymore? She's lost twice. Once to a candidate from each side. Clearly she's not a winning horse and since people are idiots all they'll remember next election is how she lost and they "remember disliking her for some reason".

Allllllllll for a female president but there's no way she's the best we can come up with.

>>726784740
why does a republican president fail to pass a bill in a majority republic system ?

because hes a shit president and even the republicans see it that shwy

>>726789016
/ this

>>726786091

>smart enough
>/pol/

Pick one. OP can fuck right off in the meantime though. There's a reason the containment board's around for you idiot niggers.

>>726788899
I'm Independent. I would be a full-blown Democrat if they could stay the fuck away from guns and enforce immigration laws. They could have run pretty much anyone else.

>>726784740
>congressional issue
>somehow indicative of Trump's value as president
(You)

The Jews in congress only care for themselves, they're both red and blue. This bill was loaded with shit that wasn't related to healthcare and needed to be struck down anyway

>>726789408
your delusion prevents you from furthering any goal you have.

>>726789484
sure man

>>726788655
>>726788882
This guy is smarter than most of Congress. He got tired of disrupting businesses, now he is disrupting the Federal Government. It is like he rooted capitalism and is in the middle of one big debug session of the kernal of America. This is just a process survey to see what threads are using up too many resources and what code is poorly written.

IMO the whole health care bill was one big scarecrow / honeypot process to see how the OS acts when their resources are threatened. Then the bad code is eliminated and debugged with better code for more use throughput.

The beltway will not know what hit them right after 4th of July break.

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>>726784740
It is a victory for us.

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>>726789608
>giving a retard like Trump that much credit

>>726789726

More like a participation trophy.

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>>726789408
>The Jews in congress
>both red and blue
Nazi retard spotted

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>>726790052
Nay, Victory.
Trump is fucking up pretty bad.

>>726784740
Laughing my ass off too, as they try to blame democrats for "not working with them" on this legislation.. Bitch, your party has been saying for 7 years how they're going to gut the ACA. Why would they ever work with you? Plus, you don't even need the dems, just a decent bill. Grow a brain!

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>>726789373
Trump is the only politician to outright state he would take guns from people.

>>726790355
when trump and his supporters lose its always everyone fault. when the media gives a false report its the false media but when they give a positive report they eat it up. Something about a rich fuck that has never worked a day in his life hard labor leads me to believe that it's not a way to raise a child.. take a look at trump a hypocrite beyond belief . Doesn't take failed well, makes excuses for everyone, racist, doesn't like women, call people fat but trump is a fat ass himself, ugly as fuck while being rich? cries when someone says anything about him, tweets all day like a bitch and much much more about so much less and you voted for him for president? Fuck some serious idiots living on this planet.

>>726791243
Trump has the nuclear football codes, anon.

>>726791328
sure he does but he needs other to put the code in as well. They just don't give power of a nuke to one retard. The reason why they do this is because it would be retarded to give all the power to 1 retard ;)

>>726789608
there is a huge chance your wrong. but in the event your right, this would be amazing.

that being said, testing to find and eliminate your political rivals is pretty damn communist/fascist.

>>726791405
I hope you're right anon.

>>726791703
i am right, google search please.

>>726791243
>started out making a point
>launched right into a sperg ad homenim attack

typical libtard

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>>726791815
Not that anon, but let's face it, both "typical" libtards and poltards get into sperg ad hominem attacks easily. It's what that vocal - often more radical - minority (however big a portion of the group they are) tends to do, they sperg out and keep spamming their deluded and skewed views with at most 1 or 2 actual valid points drowned out by cherry-picked data/images and plain nonsense.

Especially online and places like 4chan where they actively look for one another to continue these petty fights, you'll come across that (radical) minority much more than the moderate people with at least some common sense and/or ability to consider different views.

Pic very much related; to easily 90% of political/religious/etc. topics on the internet and shown in the media - drama sells better than "intellectual" and respectful discussions.

>>726789532
your belief that jews are the problem is akin to saying

money is the root of all evil.

>>726791683
not wrong there.

anyone reminded of the USSR ?

>>726789608
As a Bong, this looks like "delusion - the post"

The Republicans control all three parts of the legislature. Trump criticised Hilary (and no, I'm not re-fighting the US election, just measuring the man against his promises) personally about not doing anything as a senator, which showed his lack of grasp of how politics in and democracy works. Trump claimed to be the consummate deal-maker and yet he failed to do a deal to pass one of his key campaign promises.

Don't forget - Trump chose to put this bill forward now. What you don't do, as a CEO or CiC, is to put one of your key resources in harm's way to scout out the lie of the land in congress.

From over the pond this looks like mismanagement of the highest order, accompanied by the sound of chickens coming home to roost. I feel sorry for the USA, I really do, that your "CEO" is going to have to learn about politics in such a public way, because he is notoriously thin-skinned and won't take defeats well.

>>726791815
English is not his first language, obviously.

At any rate, it's better than
>muh fake news
>muh libtards
>muh snowflake

>>726784740
The GOP have had 6 fucking years to get something together that could replace Obamacare. 6 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS2QwKRhnds

>>726784740
Trump was the one who told them to pull it, you fucking moron.

>>726789608
>He got tired of disrupting businesses,
What businesses did he disrupt? He's an old-school property developer - he builds things, in the old-fashioned way.

He's not Zuckerberg, or Bezos, or Kalanick & Camp, or Shu

>>726793109
This. The way he lashed out at Democrats after his bill failed was disgraceful. How could you possibly blame Democrats when Republicans have been running an obstructionist game for 8 years (even to the point of SHUTTING DOWN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT) and now they can't stand that the shoe is now on the other foot.

Paper skin and a short temper aren't very presidential qualities

>>726785220
>Stop posting things on the random board! This is for traps, cucks, and incest fantasy only!

I can practically hear the fedora sliding down your fat, sweaty forehead from here.

>>726793364
>Trump was the one who told them to pull it, you fucking moron.
And why did he do that? Because he couldn't do a deal to make it pass. He also chose to send it there at this time.

Don't try to make him out to be somehow in control of this.

>>726793364
He told them to pull it because it was a shit bill that has his name on it. People call the bill Trump care, and he doesn't want to soil his presidency so early with such a massively terrible piece of legislation.

>>726793364
Yeah? Why did he do that? Is it because he didn't support the legislation that he pushed HARD for the last few weeks? Or because he didn't want to record a loss in the books?

Do you think you can somehow spin this into a positive for Donnie?

>>726793520
Building on this point - he shouldn't need the support of the Democrats to pass a key piece of Republican legislation; after all, the Republicans control both houses and this should be a walk in the park. It failed because a Republican president can't command a Republican majority within weeks of a Republican election victory.

Any fingers pointed at the Democrats is a smoke-screen and shit-tier deflection.

>>726784740
>Top Democrats claim ‘victory’ as GOP health bill fails

Victory because the Republicans stepped on their own dick? Please.

>>726794051
I agree that the means of the failure was entirely a Republican thing.

But you can hardly expect the Democrats not to be pleased that one of the key pieces of Democrat legislation from the last eight years hasn't (yet) been dismantled as, Trump promised.

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>>726784740

Dem feels ...

>>726793632
>He told them to pull it because it was a shit bill that has his name on it.
Well, if that is true, it was drafted by his team and he, as CEO, can't claim it was nothing to do with him. Even if he never drafted a word (and, based on the EO to elevate Bannon, he may not have even read it) he can't avoid the fact that his virtual fingerprints are all over it.

>>726786897
He Will Not Divide US!

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>>726794198
>Democrat legislation

The ACA is a fucking piece of neoliberal legislation.

>>726794707
The ACA is a fucking piece of neoliberal legislation
Which party drafted an passed it? Democrats, in the face of Republican opposition.

Apparently the roots of the ACA lies in Republican thinking from the Heritage Foundation and Massachusetts plan way back in 2006
>http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/apr/01/barack-obama/obama-says-heritage-foundation-source-health-excha/
>plus other citations

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>>726790170

Hillary's still not a president.

>>726795033

So the democrats copied Romneycare and passed it without a single Republican vote through reconciliation.

Why did they copied it instead of writing a new bill?

Lazy or lack of idea(s)?

>>726795133
Neither is Trump. The NWO is and he is their puppet

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>>726795033
>Which party drafted an passed it? Democrats, in the face of Republican opposition

At least you get how fucked we are then.

>>726795341
NWO-illumanti-bashitcrazy niggas

almost as crazy as those who believe in them

theres not some huge conspiracy, its greedy cooperation's that think more profit = more success.

>>726795341

Huffing glue again?

Seems like all recent presidents somehow work for the NWO and still all of their agenda still not coming to fruition.

Shitty organization.

>>726795472
Russian Oligarchs, Middle Eastern Royalty, the private military consultants, Big Oil. Everyone has a huge stake. You don't think there is collusion at the top

Trump is a good real estate investor but his shitty life brand ventures are failures. If any of you read art of the deal youd know how much self serving gibberish it is, masturbatory with no lessons to learn. Trump isnt playing 5d chess, he sold snake oil to a mindless ever consuming nation of chest beaters and barely won the election against a horrible opponent. I know you kids love to really take it to the SJWs but if you are seriously sitting here arguing someone with no political expierence, respect, or plan is some sort of ever maneuvering super genius you are a fucking retard and the cancer that is killing /b/

>>726795608
you understand NEW WORLD ORDER, implies that they are united in their stance on what they want right ??

the whole fact that they argue and bicker and undercut eachother PROVES there is no allegiance to eachother.

>>726795705
There is some shit! I am telling you. This isn't normal at all. This mother fucker is in some serious shit

>>726795392

Yeah, Democrats ran out of ideas so they stole the one idea that ultimately resulted in Romneycare. It was a shit sandwich even Nancy Pelosi, then Speaker of the House, said you have to pass it to know what's in it. Voted in by Democrats through reconciliation and El Jefe Negro signed it without reading or understanding it.

Now the Democrats are defending this piece of crap as their most important piece of legislation?

>>726795786
There are groups of indsitries that need each other. It's bunches

>>726795912
Sure are some butthurt trump supporters ITT


How much more till it take till they realize he's a moron

>>726795608

With their failure to even rein in American oil production?

Their collusion is unproductive.

>>726795340
>Why did they copied it instead of writing a new bill?
No idea (and I think it wasn't exactly Romneycare) that passed). Perhaps it met their requirements to improve the lot of the poorest Americans? if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

>>726795912
People wanted something and they got it. The democrat voters wanted it. Obama got reelected in 2012 on it. This shit is what you get when 25% of the population decides what happens every 4 years.

>>726785634
Here's what Trump promised over and over and over:
"Jan. 24, 2015, in a speech at the Iowa Freedom Summit:

“Somebody has to repeal and replace Obamacare. And they have to do it fast and not just talk about it.”
Feb. 9, 2016, on Twitter:

We will immediately repeal and replace ObamaCare - and nobody can do that like me. We will save $'s and have much better healthcare!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 9, 2016
Advertisement
Feb. 22, 2016, at a campaign rally:

“Obamacare is going to be repealed and replaced. … You’re going to end up with great health care for a fraction of the price and that’s gonna take place immediately after we go in. Okay? Immediately. Fast. Quick.”
March 3, 2016, on his campaign website (on a page that has since been deleted):

“On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.”
I only cite slate for more quotes by Trump, nothing else:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/03/24/trump_says_he_never_promised_to_repeal_obamacare_quickly_a_list_of_times.html

Should you make such strong promises when you aren't absolutely sure you can deliver? Has he truly, honestly delivered? Are you as confident that he'll deliver on everything else he promised in the future?

I'm genuinely curious, so I'm not trying to be a dick.

>>726795912
>Now the Democrats are defending this piece of crap as their most important piece of legislation?

Not even Dems like ACA - it is only a compromise with conservatives on the road to proper universal healthcare ... which is what Progressives actually want.

ACA is a bit shitty.

Pre-ACA was a double-decker shit sandwich that was lit on fire with napalm and about to consume the middle class.

Until we get Uni HC the battle will rage on

>>726784740
im here for the ylyl threads and sluts, go back to pol you ungodly creature.

>>726796052

Do you understand that the Democrats stole the shittiest execution of a Republican idea and claim it as their most important piece of legislation?

Why are you still defending this?

>>726796161
He lost again =)

>>726796012
and you dont think those "groups" arn't trying to undercut and take advantage over the other in every way possible

any "group" that your company relies on, is costing the company money.

if what your saying is true, all major companies, apart from the chinese companies, would be in cahoots, in extension would mean all companies in a nutshell are run by the one company.

which means, any individual person can destroy an arm of the company by creating competition.

the whole logic is flawwed.

>>726796157
+1 famalam

>>726796057
They can't price fix right now. It's still too hot. They need to weaken Iran buy going over killing isis and the Iranian backed rebels. Reinstate a pro oil president and then inflate oil prices

>>726796085

Well it broke. It was the plan that resulted in Romneycare after a whole heap of dickering by the Democrats in Massachusetts's state legislature.

This kind of intellectual laziness and dishonesty is what they are defending right now.

>>726795912
>Now the Democrats are defending this piece of crap as their most important piece of legislation?
Irrespective, if it's that shitty, and it's Democrat, why didn't the Republicans just kick it out yesterday? At the moment they can do exactly what they want.

>>726796112

Now they're getting it hard and good, dragging everyone else down with it.

>>726796157
>>726796278

A bit shitty is like being slightly dead. If it was only slightly bad, why did congress wrote itself out of the bill?

If congress pass a law that they exempt themselves for, it is always a piece of shit.

>>726796319

Frackers can be profitable at 40 bucks per gallon now. Oil cartel can't price fix to compete.

>>726796152
most presidents dont deliver
>I'm genuinely curious, so I'm not trying to be a dick
sure
>btw im not the guy you quoted

>>726796380

Because the plan is to start with a clean slate, not to slap extra mayo and Thousand Island dressing on a turd sandwich.

>>726796598
>most presidents dont deliver
Most presidents don't promise again and again and again that something will be easy and fast and quick, and then fail to deliver.

It's not the same as when candidates say "I'll fight for ...".

>>726796337
You have to take into account the concessions demanded by the Republicans when in opposition, when they held the government to ransom by refusing to pass the Federal budget.

Long piece on it here
>https://progressiveandproud.wordpress.com/2013/10/16/concessions-requested-by-republicans-for-aca-do-they-pass-the-truth-test/

>>726796716
>Most presidents don't promise again and again and again
this happens though..stop being a child

>>726784740
>Top Democrats claim ‘victory’ as GOP health bill fails
Bill fails not because of democrats. Bill failed because it was not was promised. The promise was a better option where no one gets fucked. "3 phase plan" is double talk for "We will save you from us once we almost kill you and look like the hero who saved your life and distract you from the fact that we saved you from us." Trump is failing us. I'm Republican. Right about now, I'd rather have Shillery - or Stalin, or Micheal Moore even.

Russian traitors wont kill any americans this day.

Winning every day until they hang.

Why is everybody blaming Trump for this? Literally all he can do is publicly support the bill and try to convince Congress to pass it, both of which he did. This isn't even Paul Ryan's fault, the problem is a small group of conservatives in the House are butthurt because the bill isn't exactly what they want so they basically are refusing to support it and generally being a pack of massive whiny faggots. It's fucking depressing how little people actually know about how the actual process of government works.

>>726796782
>it's perfectly fine and normal for presidents to promise dozens of times that something would be dismissively easy, and then epically fail at it
So you don't mind the fact that your president is full of hot air? Okay then.

>>726794670

He Will Nut Inside Us!

Its almost as if governing requires a special set of skills that one might best acquire through experience or something.

>>726796949
>Why is everybody blaming Trump for this?
Because he was elected on many, many promises of what he would do and what a consummate deal-maker he is. And he chose to put the bill up without ensuring he had all the Republicans on-side first.

That tactical failure lead to his very public humiliation. They are blaming him because it's his fault.

>>726796993
He Will Fuck Beside Us!

>>726796949
>Why is everybody blaming Trump for this?
see
>>726796152

Don't make super hard promises on what you can't deliver.

Also, let's not forget Trump said: "no one knew it (Healthcare) was this complicated". He hasn't got a clue, man. Just accept that shit. He won because he ran against a horrible lizard-robot in a human body.

>>726797233
Which one is Donald?

>>726796949
>Literally all he can do is publicly support the bill

He couldn't do it because he didn't believe in it, he's a democrat when it comes to healthcare

>>726796728

This shit again? El Presidente then throws a shit fit and refuse to pass the Federal Budget for seven fucking years.

The ACA could have been a glorious bill. It could have been one that guarantees a competitive rate, fair dealings between consumers and insurance companies and move to assist healthcare innovation(s).

Nooooo, that is too much to ask of our Democratic overlords an their crew. If Obama made some concessions and worked with the Republicans, this shit wouldn't have gone down like it did.

>>726797307
>If Obama made some concessions and worked with the Republicans
Read this
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/the-real-story-of-obamacares-birth/397742/

>>726795340
>>726796085

The ACA was passed for the same reason Bernie was screwed. Americans are terrified of Socialism. The ACA was a compromise that could either then be amended to full universal healthcare or left as-is to continue the house-of-cards bullshit that is the USA medical system.

You motherfuckers need to realize you bought in to socialized shit during the World-war era and turn out to defend what actually made you great. It sure as shit wasn't Reaganite deregulate-everything garbage.

>>726797307
Obamacare was nothing BUT one big compromise to satisfy the pussy republicans, and they STILL pissed and moaned about it

>>726797282
>Trump said: "no one knew it (Healthcare) was this complicated"
To me this illustrated his naivety. He made promises on the stump about things that he did not understand, overconfident in his own abilities based on his experience running a privately-owned company.

Government is not like that.

>>726784740
>implying Trump wanted ObamacareLite
He stated multiple times it was still needing fixes
He stated multiple times it was not to his liking
Rushed into bill before he had a final say on it
Failed
>Left thinking they finally won a single thing (that had NOTHING to do with them in the slightest)
Even Republicans were saying no to this... Ryancare was complete shit and only the pharmacys and insurance firms wanted this bill passed.
Left didnt win, Right didnt win... yet you complete and utter fucktards still are trying to make this a team mentality political party deal when HES YOUR PRESIDENT...
thank fuck I don't live in that shit heap of a country.

>>726797421
>>726797455
>>726797568

It was a health insurance bill. If it was a concession, why did the Republican fight the damn thing so hard?

Why did the Democrats not read the bill? Why are there no debate on the language of the law?

>>726797723

So Obama failed as the leader of his party.

Weird now that every damn one of the dems still defends this shit heap of a law.

>>726797568
>>726797307

Dude the ACA as originally drafted was going to be extremely close to socialized medicine. Then the insurance lobby and Republicans piled on and watered it down to weaksauce garbage.

Universal Healthcare should be a basic human right. If you don't believe that, then you do not need to live in the western world. China would be more your speed (as long as you never have a political opinion again).

>>726784740
>liberals
>thinking that meaningless victory over "rivals" is a win
>thinking no healthcare for people is a win
queer

>>726797851

Because the Rebuplicans did not even like Romneycare, which the ACA was based on as a starting point. And the Federal government must continue to function.

There must be an operable national government.

>>726798065

I need you to suck a log of shit out of my asshole.

>>726784740
I didn't think Democrats had enough votes to stop it if they wanted to?

Beyond that, it never even went to a vote. Top Democrats can claim whatever they like, but they're still corporate tools that should all be primaried.

>>726797990

It's not universal healthcare. It was an insurance reform bill. It was badly done. The Democrats had a supermajority in congress and could fix it at any time and did not.

If it was so compromised why did Pelosi and Reid pushed it to be signed? If they, including Obama, knew about this, why did it pass?

>>726797970

Obama failed to be as ruthless as the Republicans, actually. He was not willing to keep sitting idly by while they held a revolver to the Federal Budget's head over Universal Healthcare.

>>726793622
This.

/b/ used to be interesting because you had loads of different shit. These days it's just furry/gay porn and the same shitty cringe/YLYL threads over and over again.

Besides, when it comes to Trump /pol/ is just a cancerous hivemind. It's just a circlejerk of frogposters who only respond with libcuck and memes

>>726797970
WTF are u talking about u tard?
Where the fuck did I Obama failed??
Are you that rage induced that you just assume when I say the Left are dumb fucks you instantly think I'm talking about Obama??

I'm talking about the failed bill... nothing at all to do with Obama. Jesus Christ....

>>726798265

No, it is not Universal Healthcare. I said it _could_ have been. Are you not paying attention to tense? Have you no clue how heavily the bill had to be amended? Even with a fucking majority, there are ways, if the opposition really feels like being cruel, they can retaliate.

Guess what? They held the national government hostage. Repeatedly. Until they began fearing for their safety as even Social Security payments were in jeopardy.

>>726798100

They didn't like it because it was shit.

Didn't stop the Democrat from plagiarizing it and eventually passing it. No original ideas from these supposed intellectual giants to help us poor downtrodden folks.

The govt shutdown is for non essentials. Day to day stuff still goes on until the dems decided to fuck with it.

>>726798267

It was his job to be ruthless as needed to take care of the country. He caved.

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>>726798420

I've said it before, I'll say it again: your mods are refined cancer.

>>726798516
>rationalization
>projection
>denial

>>726798511
Ahh, you're -that- guy. The opinionated one who is filled with misinformation, always arguing and unable to see how wrong you usually are.

>>726798587

You really don't want someone quite _that_ ruthless. Trust me you don't. Richard Nixon was not a nice man and was in fact scary as all hell to be in the same room with.

>>726798432

Dude signed into law a bill that was supposedly compromised. He signed into law a bill that he did not understand.

He lost the Democrat supermajority in Congress because of this.

Thus, he failed.

>>726798661

I could say the same about you and half of /b/ in the process. The conversation would be just as unproductive.

>>726798511

The bill was about health insurance coverage, not anything that can be amended to become a universal healthcare bill.

>>726798721
Read my post... just fucking read it...
TRUMP not Obama... his time has gone... read what I said... holy shit...

>>726798721

No, he actually lost the supermajority over the Tea Party. And if you're gonna defend that foul bit of Koch-funded faggotry then you and I got nothing left to talk about.

>>726798809

Bills are turned into laws. Laws can certainly be amended and are in fact all the time. Do you even government?

>>726798688

Dude had control of two of the three branches of government.

How the hell can you fail with that?

>>726798948

By recognizing that a nonfunctional Federal government cannot continue for more than a short while without civil insurrection. And that even Universal Healthcare (or the beginnings thereof) must give way to that.

Rule #1: there must be a government.

>>726798875

The loss is due to how Obamacare was passed. If the passage of the law was done through normal channel instead of through budget reconciliation and a debate as to specific points of the law the Tea Party wouldn't have happened.

>>726799238

No, the Tea Party was not an organic political movement. Never was. Look it up if you don't believe me. Bulk of funding is Koch brothers.

>>726799073

Federal government at its most essential function is small. State govt takes care of the rest.

Reality is that the Federal govt is now too large with a too broad interpretation of the commerce clause to have its tentacles in everything.

The shutdown happened in the 80's also. Insurrections did not happen then. The republic is more resilient than that.

>>726799339

If that is the case, who do they answer to?

Last I checked they don't have a national leader.

>>726799462

The Federal government provides the bulk of funding for state governments. Without that money, you are fucked in every single way. The states merely act as distributors of all that cold, hard, Fed cash.

And the Republic is infinitely more fragile than you could believe.

>>726798948
>How the hell can you fail with that?
Like Trump just did? With control of all three.

>>726798946

Then the law should address healthcare instead of health insurance.

Amending crap is still crap. All that was demanded was to come up with a good, well researched law to address an issue.

Instead we got this...thing.

trump lost again just like the election without Russian assistance aka putins bitch.

>>726799546

They don't need one. They answer to nobody as members of the Corporate.

>>726799676

I was going to point that out, but figured his cognitive dissonance would lead him to instantly reject such a notion.

>>726799676

All he can do is to persuade people. The legislature ain't got to do shit. If they don't pass it for whatever reason, that's their prerogative.

I don't think anyone should be even mentioning Obama about this utter failure of Trump.

When the economy was tanking in 08 as Obama got into the whitehouse thanks to Bush, did he put up his hands and say 'I tried' or did he do the most un -democrat thing possible; huge corporate welfare to save the economy

>>726799747

Still need an outline to how to do and what to do.

Rick Santelli is the guy.

>>726799706

It couldn't address healthcare directly, you as a voter wouldn't let it. The second anything even resembling socialism comes up, all the American public does is screech COMMUNISM!!!!! all the livelong day.

It's political suicide to try going directly from point a to point c. The ACA was meant to be point b.

>>726784740
sad he withdrew op, a defeat would have been that much more intense.

>>726799909

Thank you.

>>726799823

Then the same must also apply to Obama.

I blame Trump for this mess....

>>726800012

I actually do wonder about this. On the one hand, it would've been putting my medicaid in even greater jeopardy. On the other, it would've been fucking hysterical.

>>726799951

A bad point b.

Relying on handouts from the government is a bad idea. They can take it away from you when you need it most.

It is also very vulnerable to abuse. Imagine the worst of Trump. Imagine what he can do if he is in full control of paying for healthcare for all Americans.

>>726800071

Dude was promising so much that he got a second term.

Still can't do it.

>>726800028

Have to ask Santelli for his Blackberry to see what he's going to tell the Tea Party to do.

Flash mob. Reciting the Constitution.

>>726787754
They never said fix and make Obamacare better. It was always repeal. Then with Trump it's repeal and replace. They kept promising this despite the fact that it was never going to happen. They wasted so much time and effort arbitrarily passing repeal measures in Congress knowing that it was going to be vetoed by Obama. It was all just a bullshit game to the Republicans for 7 years, and now that they are actually in power, they have no idea how to govern because they've been fucking around and blaming Democrats for everything.

>>726784740
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0SEKnJE1MNR

>>726784740
Trump only cares about one thing: delivering on his promise to give Americans lower premiums. The bill would not do that had it been passed. Did you see him tweet in anger over this "defeat?" Because I didn't.

And Nancy Pelosi ought to be ashamed of herself for taking potshots at Trump and calling this a "rookie mistake." He is the President, and you are not. If you insist on claiming "victory" and want everybody to know how hard you are "winning," then I have some terrible news: that is exactly what people on the left said before Hilldawg ate it on election night. Trump is playing you like a fiddle. Keep telling yourself that you are smarter than him. He likes it!

>>726788244
I think you are forgetting that the Senate can only pass reconciliation bills once per year. It's a major pita and it won't be able to be invoked again until at least next year. Obamacare is here to stay.

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>>726800367
>18D Chess

>>726800144

Nigger, you already drive on public roads, pay for subsidized healthcare, and eat regulated food. When you're old, hopefully you'll be able to claim government benefits to help you survive having no job 'till you die. I sure as fuck know you attended a Federally funded school. You're prolly also posting this from a device using technology regulated by the FCC, who makes sure it even works at all. You watch TV (FCC again), and you consume goods from all corners of the globe (FTC this time).

The whole "i dnt need no gubmint handouts" thing is loooooong fucking past. You still aren't in concentration camps that I can tell.

>>726789608
Agree with one thing you said tremendously: Trump is waaaay smarter than people think. He pulled off the biggest political upset of all time; if you have to tell yourself "That's because Americans are dumb." Well...if you voted for another candidate, you are American, so...*you* are dumb. Howboutdah?

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>Americans pay 3 times as much for healthcare as the UK

>>726800367
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0SEKnJE1MNR

i'm getting tired of winning

>>726800452
I torrent and stream everything...just to stick it to the man. But thanks for playing!

>>726790384
Citation needed

>>726800452

We are all in this concentration camp. They control your education, monitor your communication and travels.

You think you're outside the wire? No, you're in here with us.

>>726800602

That doesn't even fucking make sense.

>>726800636

Oh, OK. You're fucking crazy. Now I get it.

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>Trump spends the rest of 2017 continuing to fuck up
>GOP abandons Trump in attempt to save their asses in upcoming congressional elections
>Doesn't work
>Dems clean sweep House & Congress in 2018
>Trump & the GOP takes heat for next 4 years of bullshit
>Dems take WH in 2020

>>726800478
And in the UK, if you are in your 60s and need a kidney transplant, guess what? Your NHS doctor (who didn't go through the grind of US medical school, most likely) will tell you: "Go fuck yourself, you old twit! Now piss off and make those funeral arrangements." We spend more on healthcare because we *want* what the great expense gives us: the illusion that we can "fix" poor lifestyle choices and live forever. (BTW, the reason the YS still has extremely high infant mortality compared to the rest of the developed world is laregely due to the fact that in the US, we carry babies to term that would never see daylight in, for example, Sweden.)

>>726800636

Oh noooo sweet baby Jesus those monsters! My food doesn't have enough mercury and my phone *gasp* actually works!

However shall I soldier on?

The wall is going up.
Mass deportations happening across the country
Illegals fleeing the country on their own accord
Slut whores will soon lose abortion rights
Trannies kicked out of the ladies room
Gay special snowflake laws revoked
Hillary Clinton's career is ruined
Obama legacy destroyed

And....

First black president going to jail

Such a great time to be alive

>>726800507
Thank you for this. I will share it with my wife. Did you sneek behind the stage at the Craig Ferguson Show and record this wild audio there?

>>726800749
>>726800822

Good luck.

>wah wah wah Hillary didn't win!!

>>726800790

No, the NHS doctor tells you to pay for it yourself.

You know...Like you have to over here anyway? Because they don't just give out kidneys for free?

>>726784740
Welcome to politics.
Some wins, some losses.

>>726800861
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0eVWIAJTdqE

>>726800822
When my Note 7 blew up in my pants pocket, giving me third degree burns on my boypussy, as I chowed down on some eColi-infested spinich...I have never been more proud to be an American.

>>726801062

That could be fixed by actually getting involved in your own fucking elections once and a great while.

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Oh yeah Trump totally meant to have it fail, the house and senate are really smart aren't they folks? The best!

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>>726800842

And then you woke up from your drunken dream and realized you had pissed the bed.

Again.

Moreover, you realized that Obamacare is still in place, despite King Cheeto and Jester Ryan ... and pissed yourself again.

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>>726788031

>>726800842
Tell me O wise one, which law do you imagine that Obama broke?
Protip; You can't.

>>726801141
Hey...I voted.

>>726800999
This one is even better! Do you do requests? Can you say, "Sounds like a job for detective Lindy!" I would be grateful if you could.

>>726802134

Unfortunately, you likely voted for Trump, who promptly filled those aforementioned positions with people who don't believe they should exist in the first place.

>>726802108

Employment would pick up if you'd either:

A. Specialize in robotics and automation. You could even undercut the Chinese this way.

B. Smack the everloving shit out of your corporations and big business.

Option B is only a temporary fix though.

>>726802108

Oh, and employment outlook in the US is shit too, so not sure what your point was exactly.

>>726802313
1) You are wrong, I voted for Hillary.

2) You cannot "undercut" a communist regime. The possibility of getting shot in the head is a great motivator.

3) Corporations feel plenty slammed already...that is why they aren't growing.

>>726800772
Lmfao, correct.

>>726802454
My point was that UK healthcare ain't that great. You get what you pay for.

>>726803065

>You get what you pay for.

Not in the US you don't.

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Trumpets will never get tired of loosing it seems

>>726803120
Yes...you do. You get a kidney at 65 in the US because *someone else* pays for it, dipshit.

>>726804368
He is going to be re-elected with 48% or more approval. Sorry.