>>726773172 It's not theft though. It's an agreement with society that whenever you make use of the economic system that a very very little bit is gonna get skimmed off to finance society . It's not theft.
I'm not sure why people are married to re-framing things. Like i don't need to DEFINE a fetus as not a person in order to be okay with abortion. I don't have any problem with recognizing it as murder and then having it be legal.
>>726773698 But even if there were tax on food doesn't mean you have to buy it. People were eating a long time before money ever became a thing. If you wanna go back to hunting and gathering be my guest though. You would probably make a good gatherer.....I just don't see you as a hunter for some reason.
It's not an agreement when you have no choice to decline it. It's not a contract when you can't refuse to sign it.
It is the state telling you you HAVE to pay for a product they are FORCING you to buy.
And you can acknowledge that, and we as society decide that this is a system we want to force on ourselves.
Just because it's theft doesn't AUTOMATICALLY make it wrong. We as a society have decided that it's a theft that is beneficial to us.
When we lock up criminals, we are robbing people of freedom. We don't make up some bullshit about how that not being what we're doing. We as a society have decided that in the case of crime, it's beneficial to us to rob certain people of their freedom.
This is the epitome of snowflake mentality. You are not born with innate freedom or rights, they are given to you, and if not, you must take them. You are born into the world of your predecessors where nearly all property has been established and just trades hands.
>>726775018 No it isn't. Vagrancy and the other criminal shit the homeless do to live in a city funded by taxes gathered from the fine folk that live and work there yeah that's illegal in places. But the homeless only stay in the city because the infrastructure which taxes built and bought and the good working peaple support them. They aren't forced to be there. They can go out in the wild and live free. But that's hard. That's why society developed as it has....So that you can make money and buy shit and yes it's all taxed so we can have roads and police and all that other stuff.
Hey i'm taking the position that i WANT to pay taxes and having government services. I think that's a good thing. I just don't feel the need to call it something other than theft. I figure people don't want to call it that because if it WAS theft, it would be wrong for the government to do it, and we shouldn't support it. Except that's bullshit. The morality of an act depends on context. Taxes are good theft. Prison is good robbing of freedom. Wars are good murder(possibly, that gets stickier on whether it's a justified war or not).
>>726776406 You call it theft when a nigger cuts your lock and steals your bike. Now that dumb nigger may think he's taxing you for whatever dumbass reason dumb nigger mentality it uses daily do rationalize it's niggery....But that's not what taxes are.
>>726776406 And no there is never good theft. Theft is always morally wrong.....But morals aside the big difference is that you know because it's very well and perhaps overly explained in our laws what taxes are going to be taken for what. Like I've said if you don't like it you don't have to ever pay taxes again. You can choose that hard as it may be. But it is a choice and it is an understanding.
Someone I know once told me the odds of hitting the jackpot on Canada's Lotto 6/49 (pick six numbers between 1 and 49) were one in 14 million. Yeah, it's technically not zero which is why I'll buy a ticket once in a blue moon but I can buy a bottle of Coke for the same money and actually get something instead of a piece of paper with a high probability of being worthless.
It's not an agreement if you can't decline. When there is a contract of some sort, and you are forced to accept that contract, you are not agreeing to it. It is nonconsensual. Just because our whole society operates that way and for us it is normal, and it will continue to be that way for, probably forever, doesn't change what the act is.
And you can acknowledge that. Acknowledging what it is doesn't mean you HAVE to change your opinion on whether we should do it or not. That IS the argument of the extreme libertarians. Their argument is BECAUSE it is theft, it is wrong and we should stop doing it. You don't have to try to deny what the act is in order to defeat their argument. You can acknowledge that it is theft, and then disagree with them on whether we should do it.
>>726777903 But the whole point of mine is you DONT have to participate. But if you do choose to participate then it is well understood that your money will be taxed a little bit both coming and going. It ain't theft.
The government doesn't have to participate either. Now bear with me for a second, because i realize if government didn't exist, all of modern society would fucking collapse.
But think about this. It's not my choice whether to pay sales tax. When i buy a product from a mcdonalds, i have to pay sales tax. I can't decline to do that. The government is forcing me to do that. They set up a system where they force everyone to do that. You can't evade it, even if you wanted to. Even if we all wanted to.
It's a decision on the part of government to do something regardless of your will. That decision is to take money from you and force you to use their services.
If i hold a gun to your head and demand you give me a dollar, and then you do and i hand you a candy bar, has theft occurred, or a contract?
>>726777750 Even when soap kitchens and food banks are supposedly privately funded they benefit still from societies economic system through tax breaks. Same with the dumpster. There are tax dollars at work everywhere . And we need it as a society because some people just either can't or won't work to contribute and well the dumpsters and landfills because most of us work our asses off and want better than garbage everywhere.
OP don't wanna go truly live of the land and have to catch her own chicken nuggets not when Mom and Dad can stop by McDonald's after work and bring some home .
But the government doesn't ask. And it isn't mcdonalds fault. The government is holding a gun to their head, not just yours. If they don't impose sales tax on you, they impose it on mcdonalds. None of us can CHOOSE to not pay taxes. Even if we set up like a fuckin' hippie commune, on what is government essentially government owned land(you do basically rent land even if you have paid for it, because they can always eminent domain your ass), and you don't use any government services, you do it all yourselves, the government imposes these taxes on you.
If it were possible to DECLINE government services and basically be an independent nation inside of the the united states, then i would say modern society IS an agreement. But that's not what we have. (and honestly, i'm glad not, because god knows the rich would love to set up evil fucking fiefdoms inside the united states where they can follow ONLY whatever laws they make up)
Tell ya what OP....I gotta go to bed. Got put in some more overtime tomorrow which will get the fuck taxed out of it. But I don't even notice cause I'm not a whiney little bitch. Let's just agree to agree that you won this thread because well just because fuck you you're a whiney little bitch and won't ever just drop out of the society you hate so much.
I'm not OP. And no need to be mean. I said many times before, i LIKE society. I want to be in society. I am not trying to get you to admit taxation is theft because i secretly wanna segue into "then we should stop doing it". I agree with it. I want us to keep doing it. I think it's a GOOD thing.
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