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>Is the American democracy reaching an end? People refuse

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>Is the American democracy reaching an end?
People refuse to accept their candidate didn't win and literally goes to war against the democratic process because they lost, how will American politics survive in the future?

No matter which party/candidate you support, you will get pitted against other opposition. What can be done in order to keep the social order?
>separatism
>civil war
>authoritarianism
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SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLL
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>>726725742
Shill
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>>726725771
Shill
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>>726725796
Shill
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>>726725254
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd_RnURL5G4
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Is America great yet? When does the winning start?
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>>726725812
S h i l l
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>>726725254
>The democratic process
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BTFO
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>>726725827
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>>726725742
>>726725771
>>726725796
>>726725812
shill for what? for trump? i don't support trump..
i'm just curious of what will happen due to the obvious political tensions that currently resides in the country
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>death panels
They're here to stay.
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>>726725254
You country is fucked and it's gonna end like Argentina
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>>726725945
What about now? Are we winning now?
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>>726725254
Yes, America has become too diverse and divided. Its difficult to get consensus.
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>>726725254
It's not about inability to accept the loss, it's about who the orange fruitcake is and what the orangutan represents. If you can't even see this point, then your own argument is null.
I didn't vote for the 70-year-old manchild, but I still accept the results as they are. He's POTUS, so let him do what he's gonna do. If he crashes the nation with fear-mongering and toxic policies, then let him. Let him screw up and then move on, because those of us that have seen the shitstorm that is Trump a longtime coming, are only going to laugh in the faces of the fact-deniers with an "I told you so" expression.
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>>726726527
People are also quite shit when they protest for a couple of bitches doing topless on a beach
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>>726725254
Didn't american democry just prevailed given that Obamacare is still in place after tonight?
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>>726725254

>america
>democratic process

pick one.
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>>726727889
Putin is trying to win over France after his work in the US
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It seems like half of the population wants to live in a traditional way, free of queers, niggers & big government.

the other half despises inbreed, cum-skinned rednecks & traditional values and wishes for more government control & equality.

how will this not divide the country? the schism is already there and it's growing for each day, fuels by the hatred of both sides
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>>726725254
it is time
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There's an easy solution. Republicans can stop trying to fuck over the sick and poor in the name of Jesus.
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>>726728879
replacing him with a mass murderer & a traitor to his own people?

>>726729054
so the sick and poor should fuck the middle class over in the name of equality?
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>>726725254
until the right can accept that there are more than 2 genders, they don't deserve to be in charge of crap.
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>>726729308
>mass murderer
this is funded, yes, but debatable.
>traitor to his own people
elaborate on that, please.

and regarding
>replacing him
not really, no, Che died a long time ago.

no, it's time for communism.
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>>726729308
>so the sick and poor should fuck the middle class over in the name of equality?
no, they should fuck the upper class over in order to ascend to the middle class.
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>>726725254
>>separatism
>>civil war
>>authoritarianism

They been saying this same shit for thousands of years.

Fear sells.
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>>726729308

There is no more middle class, hon. Washington ate that too.
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>>726729626

Communism is Socialism for inbred morons.
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>>726729596
>elaborate
he murdered his own people. what else do you need?

>>726729753
but would that just make the middle class the new upper class? sounds like everybody should be equally poor in the name of equality.
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Well I for one am glad I still have my Medicaid.

But the Republicans are quite correct- without further amendments or a charge into socialized medicine the ACA is doomed.
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>>726730055
no, not quite.. communism is socialism evolved one step before anarchism.

read the fucking manifesto if in doubt.
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>>726730253

The Nordic commonwealth laughs at your stupidity.
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>>726728879

Benicio del Torro ain't gonna do shit.
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>>726730302

History has proven you wrong time and time again, moron. Results speak much louder than theory.
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>>726730253
>he murdered his own people. what else do you need?
according to him, he murdered traitors, like every other country has done down the pages of history throughout the aeons.

>but would that just make the middle class the new upper class?
no, it would make the middle class the only class. No rich, no poor, all equity.
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>>726730372
lel

>>726730461
tell that to the numerous victims of capitalism, anon.
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>>726730329
not really. i'm swedish and i can tell you scandinavian socalism isn't that great. not saying we're a third world country, but there's several problems tied to the inability of a socalist system to work in the long run.
>running out of other people's resources
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>>726730699

I'm gonna need some kind of proof you're Swedish.
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>>726730681

Democratic Socialism is the answer, not Communism.
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>>726725254
This is the end result of giving every kid a trophy. People have never been taught how to lose.
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>>726730588
>according to him, he murdered traitors
here's a list of people who said the same/similar thing
>hitler
>stahlin
>lenin
>pol pot
>francisco franco
>benito mussolini

if everybody are equal why would you do anything at all? why should i for example, want to become a doctor if i can make the same money sweeping floors?
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>>726731083
how can i prove that? is it enough if i type this below in swedish?

hur kan jag bevisa det? är det tillräckligt om jag skriver detta nedanför på svenska?
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>>726730588
All I see are 3 moochers trying to get something that's paid for by other people. All those people in the stands pay for tickets which in turn builds stadiums and pays the players. Fuck you.
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>>726730846
Comparing illegal immigrants with colonists who had to build everything from scratch in hostile land full with savages, worst analogy ever
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America is not a democracy - there are far too many critical instances of non-democratic institutions for it to be properly considered a popular democracy
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>>726731175
>implying the government has ever been good at running a business
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>>726731710
Only an idiot thinks America is a democracy. We're a federated republic. Always have been one.
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>>726731719

>implying businesses should fucking run the government
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>>726731274
You forgot about Valdmir Putin and North Korea's entire Kim dynasty. Every few months for the past several years, I read about them killing someone who was about to testify against them, and their excuse is always some vague claim of treason. We can also add Trump to the list now that some of his associates are dying shortly before they were supposed to go on record with information about his connections with Putin.
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>>726731410

Do you have a camera?
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>>726731719
>implying a businessman is somehow qualified to run government
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>>726731907
No one believes that. Go read the Constitution- Any power not specified belonging to the federal government belongs to the States and their People.
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>>726731459

>savages
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>>726732054

Quite a few believe that, among both the left and right.
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>>726732010
Oh, I'm sorry, I forget... you want career politicians to run the government. People who have little to no experience out in the real world. Just sleep with a president, use that to become senator, then sec. state, then you automatically DESERVE being president.
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>>726731818
That appears the best solution to me, but it also appears many americans want to become an european democracy and there's people behind the curtains who's slowly chipping away the constitution.

>>726731979
herrejävlar. you think i'm gonna post my face on 4chan, son. ain't gonna happen. what's so hard to believe. there's been swedes here before, right?
>sweden
>yes
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>>726728244
>putin is a manlet

Wow. A lot of things just started to make sense.
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>>726725254

No, the Republican party and it's leadership is reaching an end. that's why they have no problems colluding with Russia, this is it for them and they know it.

Republicans are the biggest threat to our democracy, their inability to know when someone is lying to them and the stubbornness to admit when their wrong or in other words, the Republicans complete and utter destain for intelligence, integrity and honesty will be our downfall.
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>>726732212
Quite a few people believe the United States is a democracy, believe in 9-11 conspiracies, and think the world is flat. I blame the parents for not demanding better education for their kids.
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>>726732010
>Implying a lobbyist is somehow qualified to run government
>Implying the CIA is somehow qualified to run government
>implying
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>>726732261
We're not a democracy. We have never been a democracy. We're a republic. How can it possibly be that you don't know that?
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So this is how democracy dies. With thunderous applause.
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>>726731410
>hur kan jag bevisa det? är det tillräckligt om jag skriver detta nedanför på svenska?
hej broder, jeg spiser hotdogs med rejesalat hver gang jeg besøger Sverige.

heja.
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>>726732261
>No, the Democratic party and it's leadership is reaching an end. that's why they have no problems colluding with Islam, this is it for them and they know it.

Democrats are the biggest threat to our democracy, their inability to know when someone is lying to them and the stubbornness to admit when their wrong or in other words, the Democrats complete and utter destain for intelligence, integrity and honesty will be our downfall.
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>>726731970
i've haven't heard of putin being a mass murderer, but it wouldn't surprise me. and you're definitly right about korea; the kim dynasty are fucking crazy

>>726732261
is it better with crazy democrats that runs around in the streets and attack people for having the wrong opinion and ruining for the elected president? he was elected after all, for good or worse...
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>>726731970
So you mean like the people who were going to testify against Hillary who had "accidents"
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>>726733060
I'm sure there are good explanations for all that, but Vince Foster was unable to be reached for comment.
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>>726725254
>their candidate didn't win
Fucking seriously? After all this, you Republican fucks still can't get off the "I won, you lost" mentality? This is why nobody's going to take you seriously when midterms come around.
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>>726727334
You're part of the problem.
You call him a manchild, yet you resort to name calling - the sign of immaturity.
You accuse him for fear mongering, and yet you do so yourself in your post with you dire predictions.
This is why he won - leftists cannot see their own immaturity and hypocrisy.
Trump was a poor, poor choice out of a basket of horrible choices for this election.
I can only hope that someone bucks their party, and starts don't right by the American public rather than playing politics and towing the party lines.
I will not accept or endorse someone like Sanders who is openly a socialist, it needs to be someone who puts America and especially her citizenry first ,regardless of what political colors they wear, over the machine that is the US government. They must be committed to reducing big federal government, and start allowing states more autonomy.
They should care more about their own citizenry than foreign aid - because until we eliminate poverty, homelessness, obesity, and lack of facilities and assistance for mental illness in our own country, we shouldn't be trying to prop up any other country or peoples.
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>>726733297
Can you please translate that from SJW to english? cause it makes no fucking sense.
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>>726733737
Doing right*
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>>726733297
Scene of Republicans rioting in the streets after Obama won in 2008:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVXuZBHW9wE
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What if, I mean this is just a theory I only have mountains of evidence, that both Republicans and Democrats are completely full of shit.

Democrats are lying about racism, sexism, identity politics, feminism, communism, socialism, routinely manufacture facts, and deny science. They are globalist shitstains completely bought and sold by corporations.

Republicans are a bunch of useless anti-fact, military industrial complex shills, warmongering, conspiracy theorist, anti-science, anti-logic, trickle-down-economic fuckwads that are completely bought and sold by corporations.
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here's the daily reminder you apparently needed to remember republicans blocked Obama's supreme court nominee for literally no reason

"but muhhhhh newwww presidentttt"

get over it baby. your guy LOST THE VOTE! sucks to be a loser right I hear that one a lot
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>>726733905
What if they're 2 sides of the same coin and all this anti-trump nonsense is fueled by the entrenched power structure? What if they want to stop this first outsider so another never reaches the presidency?
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ITT: Neo Nazis who believe in "alternative facts" confuse leftists with liberals.
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>>726734032
Senator Joe Biden warned against nominating a, SC justice so close to an election cycle. Oh wait, there was a Republican president at the time, so "that's different".
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>>726733833
Being gracious in victory is almost as important as important as being so in defeat.

>>726734098
>first outsider
When will this myth die? He might not have had political experience, but he just as entrenched in the political catering to the rich that's commonplace.
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>>726734098
That is exactly what it is. They both seek to take away rights and are authoritarians.
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>>726734190
Riiiiight... "liberal" is a dirty word, now. You're all "progressives".
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>>726734233
Because warning = actively blocking it, right?
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>>726734098
Some of that is clearly true. Just look at the money. Everything was stacked against Trump.

Trump has a very casual relationship with facts and reality though, so he's not really much better than either side. Still probably better than a real republican or Hillary.
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>>726730846
>Uses image macro of an American Indian to mock somebody he disagrees with
>Ignores the fact that what happened to the American Indians only strengthens his opponent's point
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>>726734266
You'd rather we have a president whose only qualifications for entering the federal government was sleeping with a president?
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>>726734304
And of course, you immediately prove that you're too ignorant to tell the difference. This is why Trump is failing at every turn.
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>>726734441
>Implying there were only two choices.
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Fuck America...you've got what you deserve...glad I'm miles away from the train wreck that is your potus
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>>726733905
>>726734098
that's pretty much how i see it. same coin, different sides. i can't comprehend how people can take politicians seriously. to me, they're just a bunch charlatans that tells different lies in order to reach the same goal. i like what jamaican niggers call them: politricks
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>>726733743
Here you go anon
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>>726734364
I guess I expected too much for democrats to know that happened, so I'll give you context. This was in 1992 under President George H Bush:

Were there a vacancy, Biden argued, Bush should “not name a nominee until after the November election is completed,” and if he did, “the Senate Judiciary Committee should seriously consider not scheduling confirmation hearings on the nomination until after the political campaign season is over.”
“Senate consideration of a nominee under these circumstances is not fair to the president, to the nominee, or to the Senate itself,” he continued. “Where the nation should be treated to a consideration of constitutional philosophy, all it will get in such circumstances is partisan bickering and political posturing from both parties and from both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue.”
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>>726734726
topkek. that sjw stuff is nuttier than squirrel shit
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>>726734756
Don't forget that in 2007, Senator Chuck Schumer said he would block ANY Supreme Court nominee by George Bush. Of course, in 2016, he said the exact opposite, but then, a democrat was president.
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>>726734756
That was very close to the election. The Republicans' refused to do their jobs for an unprecedented amount of time. Maybe we should settle this with a constitutional amendment stating that presidents may only select justices to replace those who died or retired during the previous term. If the Supreme Court has more than 3 vacancies, they can instead be filled by a vote of people in the next midterm.
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>>726725254
USA is a corporatocracy.
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>>726735769
/thread
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>>726735626
See: >>726735441
That was in 2007, over a year before the 2008 election. Sorry, try again. Once more, it's OK when the dems do it, but God forbid the GOP does the exact same thing, then they shriek bloody murder.
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>>726735769
Bernie lost. Walk it off.
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I think it's about time for americans to abandon politicians and start relcaiming the spirit that founded the country; freedom. all politics does is sowing hatred. just live and let live, instead of being tricked into artificial conflicts by the charlatans in congress
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>>726731459
>>726734394
>I can't properly counter this point so I'm just going to say stupid things
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>>726727333
Woah, a rise in colored people. How terrifying! And I thought those Irish-niggers were going to ruin society!
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>>726735906
That was demonstrated to be empty rhetoric. A nominee was confirmed before the next presidential term that time. Republicans actually refused to do their jobs, and now they can only come up with a raving lunatic who makes such bad decisions that the current court is ruling against them unanimously.
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>>726736715
You might want to read the Constitution... specifically the parts dealing with advice and consent. The senate have the right to give or deny consent to any presidential appointment. They represent the people who elected them, not the president. Both sides block SC appointments when the other guy is president. How did you not know this?
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>>726736715
The leftist, liberal judges who are following party lines and playing politics are ruling against him unanimously*
>fix'd it for ya
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If he's a Foreign Agent (in any capacity) his rule is illegitimate-->Anything he does after taking office must be undone-->All those complicit in his promotion must be investigated as an accessory for treason-->Are there any hanging trees at 1600 Pennsylvania?
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>>726737889
>implying that since they wouldn't impeach Clinton for all her treasonous bullshit they'll impeach trump for his stupidity
Top lol m8
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>>726737987Hillary is not a sitting President-->don't care about hypotheticals.
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>>726737184
Again with alternative facts. The current court is split 4-4 progressive/right-wing, and they just unanimously overturned the neo Nazi's prior decision.
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>>726737987
Bill Clinton WAS impeached. How did you not know this? You have no idea what impeachment IS, do you?
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>>726737184
This. The Hawaiian judge's ruling is legally indefensible. Complete horseshit.

>this order is legal, except I don't like something the president said one time, so now it's MAGICALLY unconstitutional

And he just *happened* to be meeting with Obama a few hours before he published it. Wow, what a coincidence, right?
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>>726737987
>Implying that collusion with foreign governments to help rig the election is not treason.
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>>726738210
Her. He said "her." Read better.
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>>726736063
It's hard to un-brainwash people to that level. They have to get there on their own. You can't force conscious evolution. It has to be earned.
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>>726738391
My bad. Knee jerk reaction from people saying over and over that Slick Willie wasn't impeached.
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>>726725254
Libcucks aren't going to do shit. They just make a lot of noise.
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>>726734614
>Mexican detected
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>>726738304
This. The entire Hawaiian judge's order is based not on any kind of law, but that Trump's executive order caused some family "emotional distress"

This democrat "feels-over-reals" bullshit needs to get fucked hard.
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>>726738210
Hillary. Not Bill, retard.

>>726738095
>implying impeachment only applies to presidents
Are you retarded?

>>726738195
It was one 9th circuit and one 4th circuit judge and one US district judge - all of which are extremely liberal court locations and judges.
You're full of shit about it being a unanimous Supreme Court split.
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>>726738391
It's reasonable to assume that was a typo and we're talking about Bill, because Hillary is completely irrelevant. She never was nor will be president. These baseless hypotheticals about what might have happened if she had won have no bearing on the fact that Trump is guilty of treason.
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>>726725254
>war against the democratic process because they lost,

Protesting is part of the democratic process, investigating those in power if wrong doing is possibly happening is part of the democratic process.

Cracking down on protesters and making leaders immune to investigation is what 3rd world holes do.
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>>726725254
>democracy
>2 party system

Pick one
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>>726735441
Yet magically bushes appointees got into the court, with little effort.
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>>726738195
>and they just unanimously overturned the neo Nazi's prior decision.

Prove it with a citation, faggot. Should be easy to find, being a Supreme Court decision and all.

Oh, wait. You can't. Because you're lying.
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>>726738760
>Implying that uncovering your political opponent's crimes is Treason.
Yes, we know all of you Democrats believe that Hillary is part of the elite class, above the law.
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>>726738952
Once AGAIN, both parties try to block an opposing president's nominations. It all depends upon which party has the majority whether it's successful.
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Voting is just another tool used by authoritarians to cloak and justify their power as they can no longer rely on divine right since we burst that bubble, so they'll base their "right" to power on ad populum fallacies instead. Letting us vote is nothing but an empty gesture to give us the semblance of control when really the only options are the ones approved by the state and media. When you vote you are only voting for blood sucking politicians who have already been pre-chosen for you. It's insane and defeatist to keep doing the same thing, voting over and over just because everyone else does, and expecting different results. It is no measure of good health to conform to an ill society. Democracy is tyranny by majority. This is why no ONE single politician, president, king, leader, or even group of people could ever represent any and all people in the entire world fairly, honestly, and without bias. We need a new system that functions on the philosophy that the greatest expression of freedom is doing whatever you want so long as it does not harm or effect anyone else. By voting you are voting yes for the system, you are going out of your way to scribble a check on a piece of paper that says "I have faith in this system". By continuously choosing the lesser of two evils, picking option piss over option shit, you are feeding the oppressive troll that is this system. If voting could truly change the system it would be illegal.
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>>726733737
Well said, I voted for him because he was the best of the worst. Not the best choice mind you but I'm hoping he can do a good job instead of bashing him. With that said I'm not a huge fan of him not repelling obamacare and just making something new.
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>>726738760
>the fact that Trump is guilty of treason.
>the fact

LOL
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>>726738729
You clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about, so keep your alternative facts to yourself and have a seat.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-supreme-court-rules-for-children-with-1490202454-htmlstory.html
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>>726739099
It's time to get off the internet and tidy up your basement Command Center, Warlock.
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>>726739052
It must be hard to type with your head so far up your ass.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-supreme-court-rules-for-children-with-1490202454-htmlstory.html
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>>726739099
If this is such, wouldn't it be best to leave such a corrupt system?
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>>726739332
Wait... you're calling Judge Gorsuch a neo Nazi?

Fucking LOL
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>>726739399
He can't leave. That would mean no chicken tendies when he has enough GBP.
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>>726739177
We were talking about the travel bans, dipshit.
Not retarded kids, like yourself.
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>>726725254
People refuse to accept their candidate won the election by colluding with the arch enemy of the United States
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>>726739937
Who's "we?" There are several issues being discussed, and you're the fumbnuck who decided to chime in and respond to me without knowing anything about the issue.
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>>726731274
Take money out of the equation and people appoint themselves to what they are capable of providing to society. What do we need money for if everyone has access to every human need? People become doctors on the basis of helping the sick, not the money. Only then will you have non corruption in an "industry". People who sweep floors do so cause they are incapable of any other task based on age, mental or physical handicap or ect...I'm a carpenter, I frame houses, doesn't pay well, I make enough to survive but I love the work. Imagine a world where everything is there for everyone with no money involved? Nobody has anything more than anyone else. Just go to work and do your job, go home all your needs are met. Everyone needs a home or a repair or a new roof ect....everyone needs a doctor visit, that doctor needs some work done in his house. Just imagine all the services needed and rendered in every aspect of our society. Minus anything having to do with a monetary system. We as a species would be able to do anything without any restrictions. There's no greed or power to be had, just common goals. Survive and expand. We'd have a moon base by now, mining asteroids, visiting Mars and such, cause there's no debate or funds needed that exists. This is the only way our species will survive anything. This old tradition construct of leaders and debt is just barbaric to the point that it will only self destruct or be destroyed eventually. It's a hard concept to grasp and took me 30 years to think it through but it's the only way it will be eventually.
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>>726740069
Wait, the same "arch enemy" that Obama sent Hillary to meet with, along with a "reset" button?
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>>726740303
>doesn't understand the difference between negotiating to deescalate hostilities and conspiring to rig an election
Kek
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>>726731907

Businesses DO run our government.

Thats precisely why it is so fucked up now.
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>>726740303
That Obama promised to be more flexible with after the 2012 elections; apparently (considering Obama's pathetically supine reaction) with regard to Ukraine.

And that Hillary Clinton was involved in approving transfer of uranium to.

And John Podesta has business dealings with.

And to go back generation, who Ted Kennedy met with to talk about overthrowing Ronald Reagan.

Whatever leftists accuse others of doing is what they themselves do.
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>>726740145
Correction: you responded to me without knowing dick.
It's ignorant leftist children like you that make this country worse.
Please follow through with your threats and move to Canada like you said.
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>>726740618
So, an investigation on-going since last July...that still has no evidence... is all you've got?
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>>726740630
We have the highest corporate tax rates in the world.

Square that circle.
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>>726737987
>Clinton for all her
I can read.
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>>726732054
In America, businesses in fact DO run the govt.

Which is why we are so fukked up now.
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>>726740772
Correction. That FISA application was rejected. One of only a dozen such rejections in the history of the court, out of more than 30,000 applications.

It wasn't until October that another, re-issued application was granted.
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>>726740630
Nope. Businesses don't run the government, they are it.
Governments are the largest and worst corporations on the planet anymore.
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>>726740715
>>726740715
dumb shit. that all changed when they invaded ukraine.

look, your fag of a president and his cronies cut a deal with Russia. you know it. I know it. That is why we have all the "HILARY DID IT TOO" spin control this week.

The thing is - you've built up so much hated on the left - we won't stop until Manafort hangs, and Trump is in prison.

LOCK HER UP lol

your boy is going down.
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>>726740772
>doesn't understand how fucking intelligence operations work.

There won't be any cut and dry shit. It's not like you will have Putin on a phone call to Trump saying

>I have transfered the 19B to a bank account in cyprus
>now make sure to change the RNC platform to remove military aid to ukraine
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>>726740773
Only nominally. Effectively Big Business gets away with murder with respect to taxes.

Circle squared - now eat some pi.
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>>726740730
Read back through the thread, dumbass. I was talking separately about the recent SCOTUS decision, and you jumped in raging about how I was supposedly lying, when you obviously had no idea about the decision I mentioned. You neo Nazis and your alternative facts always deny the real facts even when they're literally right in front of you.
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>>726725254
Looks like the senate dun goofed all of us in the US http://www.ipanon.com
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>>726740912
US Intelligence doesn't need a FISA to listen to foreign persons (Trump just called at the wrong time). Incidental collection.
GCHQ doesn't need a FISA to listen in on Trump either.
Brit & US Intel goes way back, transcending Administrations.
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>>726740978
HAHAHAHAHA

How delusional you are. You were all SO CERTAIN that the election results were going to be overturned any day because RUSSIA HACKED THE ELECTION.

In December.

Then in January.

Then in February.

And now in March.

>that all changed when they invaded ukraine.

Where's your evidence? I can show you video footage of Obama saying what I said he said. Where's your evidence of vigorous opposition to Russian aggression?

>you've built up so much hated on the left - we won't stop

Bring it. I'd love for things to go hot. Me and mine will fucking kill you and everyone else is your "black bloc."
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>>726725254
Obama care is costing more and more, and my kids can't afford it, but their democrats kept it going.

It'll be cheaper if they quit their jobs and go on welfare.
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>>726740935
Dont be ridiculous. Govts are not corporations - but they are so heavily influenced by them the distinction may seem blurred to you.

You dont get to vote concrning the actions of corporations - unless you are a major shareholder or board member. And that only if it is publicly traded. Closely held private corps do whatever they want with near impunity.

At least with properly elected govt you have (in theory) a mechanism in place whereby the people's interests may be heard. Govt is in fact your only defense against Big Business run amok. Which is exactly why the big shots want you to hate govt. Its good for their bottom line.
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>>726725254

Seems to an outsider that everything Trump tries to do is stopped by those that think it's their place to do so without any consideration for the outcome.

If you hate your president so much why would any other country bother dealing with you.

The things he's trying to do are what got him the votes.

At least he's fucking trying to do something.
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>>726741584
You adjust and improve, not throw the baby out with the bathwater while giving the babysitter a rogering with your tax cuts.
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>>726741529
>US Intelligence doesn't need a FISA to listen to foreign persons (Trump just called at the wrong time).

Uh, FISA stands for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Such orders are necessary for surveillance involving "US persons," which is widely defined to include foreign nationals in the US or working for a US institution or business, or involving US citizens.

If court authorizations were not necessary for "Foreign Surveillance," then there would not be a "Foreign Surveillance" court that exists specifically to issue such authorizations, would there?

You're wrong.
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>>726741124
>Effectively Big Business gets away with murder with respect to taxes.

The ultra wealthy already pay for 80% of the tax bill for the U.S.

78% of Americans don't pay any tax at all.

I'd say it's unfair and needs adjustment. There is no need to punish you for being successful.

The united states already has the most progressive tax system in the world. The more you make, the higher the percentage that you pay, and it's a steep incline.
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>>726741866
>78% of Americans don't pay any tax at all.

48% don't pay any tax at all. This is wrong. If you earn you should pay.
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>>726731459

You're a stupid cunt
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>>726741855
>widely defined to include foreign nationals in the US
I mean...you've got some onions tying to pass that one off as plausible.
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>>726741584
I'm seriously considering it. Becoming "working poor."
I literally made $200 over what was the break for affordable healthcare for me, but I don't make enough to actually be able to afford healthcare.
Company I work for shitcanned 23 employees to get under the mandatory healthcare for companies over 50 back when this started. I was one of the "lucky"'ones.
But because they sacked so many, they lost contracts for jobs, and now we are down to 12 employees that are full time, and 6 part time.
I'm thinking of taking a pay cut and asking for a part time position because they can't afford to give me a raise (they claim), and I cannot make enough to live off of but likewise, make too much for any living or healthcare assistance.
Thanks Demoshits. Really. Thanks.
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>>726741124
>Effectively Big Business gets away with murder with respect to taxes.

Really? How? And don't hold back on the technical stuff. I studied corporate tax in law school. I know what the 'termination of interest exemption' is.
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>>726727334
Then what, after the orange oompa loompa leaves office, we have to be the ones to pick up the pieces and he will be back to complaining about the system that he screwed up in the first place.
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>>726725254
it doesnt help that the winner of the election is also anti democracy
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>>726725254
phil
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>>726742034
What he said makes perfect sense.

When the Europeans came here they didn't demand the natives provide money, healthcare, shelter, education, legal protection.

The natives are now sucking off the Europeans that immigrated here, because Europeans simply do it better.
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>>726742043
A "U.S. person" includes citizens, lawfully admitted permanent resident aliens, and corporations incorporated in the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act
I can read.
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>>726741752
I disagree, they are.
From how they are structured to the way matters are handled, they are corporations through and through - the only thing that sets them apart is A: they print currency and B: they handle more foreign affairs than most corps.
It's a sham anymore for elections - money buys the votes.
It's just business as usual now.
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Lol. Democracy. It's been a fucking Oligarchy since the start.
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>>726742081
This almost sounds exactly like my son. This year he will pay $850 tax penalty, partly due to Obama care penalty.

He's making $14.50 as a graphics artist and technician. (it was entry level when he got in, but now his skills are off the charts)
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>>726742043

"A "U.S. person" includes citizens, lawfully admitted permanent resident aliens, and corporations incorporated in the United States."

>permanent resident aliens

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act#Provisions

Huh. I didn't even have to go to the statutes.
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>>726742459
It has. The wealthiest democrats are shitting on everyone else, while convincing the poor that they're victims of the wealthy, and that we need more immigrants.
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>>726741584
This is why we need universal coverage. Healthcare is vital service. We can't just let the poor die, but having income requirements/limits for a healthcare program makes it impossible for the chronically ill to get necessary care while trying to transition into the workforce.
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>>726741866

> 78% of Americans don't pay any tax at all.

Dubious claim - and sure they do. Not all tax is income tax. Poor ppl pay a disproportionate amount of their meager income in the form of sales taxes and property taxes (yes, Virginia, renters pay property tax) ... as well as every kind of absurd vampiric fee the rentier class can dream up to squeeze every drop of blood from the less well off. At the end of the day the wealthy pay less by far as a percentage of income than anyone else - and they have the influence to keep it that way. Don't expect me to shed a tear for them.

> The united states already has the most progressive tax system in the world. The more you make, the higher the percentage that you pay, and it's a steep incline.

Not steep enough, evidently.
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>>726742664
The British NHS costs more than $2200 per person in Britain, some 60 million. That would cost more than $700 billion *a year* for equivalent "service" (that routinely and infamously lets its patients die of neglect) in the US, with its population 320 million.

.>$700 billion in a country $20T in debt with almost $1T deficits.

Nope.
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>>726742664
>This is why we need universal coverage

Universal coverage works in places that frivolous and medical law suits are outlawed.

A huge portion of the costs of healthcare and pharma comes from lawsuits to clean them out when something goes wrong.

The Dutch laugh at us for our lawsuits (and others may too). You simply cannot sue and tie up courts for anything in places that have socialized medicine.
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>>726742616
Don't forget to mention the wealthy Republicans.
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>>726731274
>why should i for example, want to become a doctor if i can make the same money sweeping floors?

this shows monetary thinking. Not caring for people thinking - which doctors should do. If the only reason you become a doctor is for the cash, you are likely to be a bad doctor. also, if you would be happy sweeping floors, not bored, not need a more interesting, and challenging life, fine - but if not you might well want to be a doctor, to care for people, to pursue knowledge, to experience something that a mere floor sweeper never will.

it isn't all about the money.
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>>726741866
>The united states already has the most progressive tax system in the world. The more you make, the higher the percentage that you pay, and it's a steep incline.
I dare you to try providing a chart comparing our tax code to other nations. I'll wait.
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>>726742276

>hostile land full with savages

These were human beings, forced from their land by a military power. Europeans took their land, food sources and way of life

If you're US, then you don't know fuck all about your own history
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>>726742970
Which party has convinced you that you will never be able to make it?

Which party says the government needs to provide you with everything you need, because you're incapable?
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>>726742951
[Citation needed]
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>>726742676
>At the end of the day the wealthy pay less by far as a percentage of income than anyone else

Just to use a recent example, Trump paid 25% taxes in 2005. Most working poor pay nothing. Some even *make* money through tax credits.

This assertion is laughable. Someone living off $20k a year does not pay $5k in taxes. That's $417 a month.
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>>726743216
http://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/thenhs/about/Pages/overview.aspx
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>>726743129
>If you're US, then you don't know fuck all about your own history

It sounds like you're trying to make up a new history to fit a narrative, and that's OK. We expect you to do that.

There was much more cooperation between the Euros that moved here than the lefties would like you to believe.

There were savage natives that simply were racist to the new people, and did destroy their homes and lives for nothing.
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>>726743129
The pilgrims were not military dipshit.
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I don't like Bonald Grump, but if you think his election is a sign that the USA's democracy is dying, then you're a fucking retard.
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>>726743288
Okay, so where's your citation for the ridiculous claim about what it would cost in the US? Make sure you take into account the fact that for-profit insurance and other crooked middlemen will be all but obsolete, and therefore will not be raiding our healthcare fund.
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>>726732216
>People who have little to no experience out in the real world.

who have spent their lives learning about the real world and visiting it and talking to its other leaders and community leaders and their constituents. People who have spent their lives working in government, learning how it works, how to write legislation, how to get abill passed in congress. people utterly unlike the fuckup president we have who does not even know how many articles are in the constitution or the wording of it, or know what powers he does and does not have.

yes we want people who know what theya re doing. Not con artisits who don't know anything about trade or tax policy, or international relations, or economics, or environment or health care. Not idiots who think that if it makes money (especially for them, and their family and friends) it is good, and if it costs money it is evil. Because that isn't what government is about.
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>>726743129

>>726743129
>Europeans took their land, food sources and way of life

After four centuries of being kidnapped, murdered, raped, cannibalized, and scalped, they earned it.

The late 20th century fetish for romanticizing Indians is asinine. They were almost all bloodthirsty barbarians. Look into the Iroquois confederation, the Sioux, the Comanches, the Apaches; check out the Aztecs, who were so widely hated that their enslaved subjects allied with the invading Spaniards specifically to destroy them.

The same kind of 'finally, the whites will team up and help us eliminate these monsters' occurred with the Comanches and Aztecs.

No white woman was ever kidnapped by the Comanches who *wasn't* gang raped and tortured. You know what their favorite torture was? Scalping while alive, heating a tomahawk in a fire, and then applying it to the bare skull.

Their "way of life" was savage barbarism.
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>>726743665
Of course, everyone on here is an idiot, and you of course are the expert.
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ITT: Alternative facts.
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>>726743635
>ridiculous claim.

What are you, innumerate? I took the per person cost of the NHS and multiplied it by the population of the US.
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>>726743224

Your comparison is invalid.

Donnie Shortfingers could pay 90% taxes (or more) and it would not substantively impact his lifestyle. In fact - except for numbers on a spreadsheet, it would likely not affect him in the slightest.

For the working poor any taxation at all is a burden that affects their lives negatively. It can literally force the choice between food or medicine.

This is an important distinction - and one which often escapes the attention of the defenders of the wealthy..
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America is not a democracy
It's a constitutional republic.
>Also sage
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>>726743697
>Their "way of life" was savage barbarism.

The rest of history and just how shitty the natives could be doesn't become the central focus of our history, because there was enough native cooperation and peacefulness that we don't focus on the negatives.

This is where we went wrong, today, because the narrative has been flipped to be against the dominant culture.
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>>726743835
You said "pay less by far as a percentage of income." That's specifically what I addressed.

Move your goal posts some more.
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>>726725254
Stop caring about politics.

The right and the left are both cancer, just stop thinking about it and you'll be happier. No one can change Washington.

Not everyone that brings up a different opinion against Trump is a shill you fucking tin foil hat wearing autists. Also, /r9k/ should fully take back Pepe, where he belongs.

>inb4 shill
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>>726725254
sometimes it takes the victory of a complete incompetent disaster of a candidate to make the american public realize that a winner-take-all system is flawed and needs to change, my dude.
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>>726743903
False distinction.

'democracy' and 'republic' are not mutually exclusive concepts.

The USA is both at once (in theory, that is - in reality we are a defacto oligarchy.)
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>>726742488
Paid a $795 penalty. Would have gotten almost $1k refund, after paying state for what I owed this year and that penalty I got $7 refund.
Woo.
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>>726743493

There were also those that having been forced from their land and despite their own hardship with half their population lost still donated money to the Irish famine relief fund

>savage natives
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>>726743804
>Thinks the cost per person will be identical between countries with very different economies and infrastructures.
>Compares per-person cost in a smaller nation to the total cost in a larger nation and thinks it's a valid argument.
>Thinks a reasonable per-person cost is automatically scary just because it serves more people and is equally funded by more people.
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>>726744013
not him but he would be right if he said that the middle class pay more than the extremely wealthy as a percentage, if your making like 75K you probably pay like 30-35%, depending on state taxes, and that's much more than trump did. Also we have a lot of reasons to believe that trump released his best tax year to create a good story about himself. rachel maddow is a retard
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>>726734098
>? What if they want to stop this first outsider so another never reaches the presidency?

except Trump is pure Republican. Indeed purer than many republicans had ever dreamed they could be and get away with it. he is openly pouring money into his pockets and those of his billionaire friends. he sold seats in cabinet to the highest bidder (he made money out of the campaign, including millions charged to the Secret Service for protecting him while he stayed in his hotels and used his plane and got the campaign donors to pay him full whack for using it)

You know why he admires Putin - because Putin is an open kleptocrat. And Trump is the same. His tax regime ideas are republican wet dream - tax cut for the rich, screw the poor, and blow the budget - the Democrats can sort out the deficit when they get in next time, but they will never take back the billions that Trump is going to give his cronies in construction, private education and medicine and the billions they will make from lax environmental regulation and the oil and coal bubble he is running up.
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>>726743925
>there was enough native cooperation and peacefulness that we don't focus on the negatives.

What peacefulness and cooperation? The Indian Wars were damned near continuous from the 17th century to the 20th, from Quebec to Louisiana to Arizona. Being murdered by Indians was still a realistic (though diminished) threat in north rural Texas in the early 20th century. The last war didn't end until *1924.*

You're right the 'narrative' changed, but that's because of concerted effort by revisionist historians, not because Indians really were peaceful, pipe smoking, spiritualist proto-hippies.
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>>726743835
It is a well known fact that Warren Buffet pays a lower overall tax rate than his secretary. He has made a point of this himself.

Why do you defend the wealthy? You are not one of them and almost certainly never will be. They are using you like a fieldhand so they can sit in golden chairs and laugh at you in their tea rooms. They are literally cucking everyone who works for a living while they play golf in Bermuda. Some of us have eyes to see that and some don't, I guess.
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>>726725254
Since when USA are a Democracy ?? Isn t it a Republic ? People don t vote for their president, ergo : not a Democracy (Demos : people / Cratos : Rule)
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>>726734233
no - he warned against doing it in the last few months before an election, not over a year before. And given that this is the last year of Trump's presidency, should we be looking at his candidate?
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>>726744013

It is a well known fact that Warren Buffet pays a lower overall tax rate than his secretary. He has made a point of this himself.

Why do you defend the wealthy? You are not one of them and almost certainly never will be. They are using you like a fieldhand so they can sit in golden chairs and laugh at you in their tea rooms. They are literally cucking everyone who works for a living while they play golf in Bermuda. Some of us have eyes to see that and some don't, I guess.
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I think it's safe to say that both the colonists and natives were dicks, but the colonists had guns and smallpox, and they won, so they're demonized more.
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>>726744404
>>Thinks the cost per person will be identical between countries with very different economies and infrastructures.

I was specifically asked to ignore the particulars of the US healthcare industry. You're just pissed that the numbers are unfriendly.

>>Compares per-person cost in a smaller nation to the total cost in a larger nation and thinks it's a valid argument.

You're right. It would be WORSE in the US, because the geography involved is just horrendous. WAY more infrastructure would have be utilizes, in many more places.

>>Thinks a reasonable per-person cost is automatically scary just because it serves more people and is equally funded by more people.

Are you saying that $700 billion is a "reasonable" expense? That's $100 billion more than the 2015 US military budget of $597 billion.

Gonna pay for that, are you? Or is this just more Bernieconomics where the money will magically materialize because you want it to?
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>>726725254
Post 1850s, still thinking your voice matters to the Federal Government.
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>>726744888
>It is a well known fact that Warren Buffet pays a lower overall tax rate than his secretary.

That's because his wealth is tied up in the value of assets and is not recognized as income until he sells it. If I have a billion dollars of property, but never sell it, I am not taxed on a billion dollars because it isn't income.

Jesus fucking Christ. If you don't even understand THIS, you have no business arguing taxes at all.
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>>726744954

That and the fact they were intruding on someone elses space ... there's that small matter.
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>>726734372
Trump made money from the campaign. he played the system, and didn't need the cash - and he got a lousy low turnout, (lower than romney or Mccain when they lost) and only won because Hillary was a train wreck.

and his causal relationship with truth is a serious problem. he is robbing the american people blind, is a lying, thieving git, and is pushing policies many republicans would never have thought they could get away with, but love to bits - not just social regression but directing tax money into their hands, and giving then tax breaks as well,
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>>726744818
>They were fighting to survive

And the Europeans whose towns were raided, women stolen, children murdered in the woods, etc. were not?

How interesting.

Aside, does this mean that US citizens are justified in raiding, raping, killing, and otherwise fighting illegal immigrants now? Just curious.
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>>726745121
There weren't any laws against people coming in and building cities on the continent. No immigration laws means that it's fine.
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>>726744964
bernie had a way to pay for everything he proposed dummy. i know all you retard trump supporters never learned that, but you're wrong and im past having that argument. he said he wanted to raise taxes on the rich. He said he wanted to cut the militairy. He said he wanted to put taxes on high frequency trading, he told you idiots how he was going to pay for everything and you just refused to listen, fucking infuriating. Go do a little research and let the adults talk
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>>726734441
If you ignore her vast experience as a law maker and writer, international diplomat and leader in campaigns for rights and health care.

While instead all your candidate did was build a couple of hotels, go bankrupt and steal investors money, and fiddle his tax returns. hardly a glowing CV
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>>726726117
ooh politi facts lie of the year 2009. neat.
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>>726734666
if you can't see the difference between tax breaks for the super rich, throwing out environmental controls, privatizing education and health care and infrastructure to put money into republican Party sponsors pockets and supporting racism, and the progressive policies of the Democrats, then you are either really not looking, or a shill.

the argument that they are all the same is such an obvious falsehood, how can you think to say it?
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>>726745092

Oh I understand it all to well, friend. And it is exactly why we should tax the shit out of them.

Accumulated wealth affords them leverage to accumulate more wealth in ways the average man cannot even begin to dream about. For these ultra wealthy, taxes are not a burden. They are just a game. They are just numbers on a page. Even wealth accumulation is just a game to them - it has nothing at all to do with their survival.

Beyond a certain point allowing people to accumulate wealth only helps to afford them the opportunity to subvert democracy - which is what has happened. Which is why heavy taxation is necessary to keep things running smoothly and fairly.

Think about it.
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>>726745370
Don't forget that she was potentially in the pocket of the Saudis, go on a crusade after a cartoon frog, was surrounded by political elites with extreme distance from normal society, was shit at PR, and flip-flopped more than Romney ever could dream of.
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>>726745277
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/09/bernie-sanders-budget-would-add-21-trillion-to-debt-analysis.html
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>>726745370
>vast experience as a law maker and writer

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>726736063
also, given that the thieves party runs congress and the whitehouse and is robbing us blind, it is a bit difficult to just say ignore it. the structures are in place, and like it or not, they run things. you will be taxed. trump will get millions of your dollars given to him. you have no choice.
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>>726745237

>No law agiin it - must be awlrriite!

Silliest argument I have heard all day.
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>>726745664
the problem is he is half right, the democratic party is totally down to sell out to wall street and the health industry and military industrial complex. They're definitely better but lets not act like they're good, they're corrupt as fuck too
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>>726745656

Venezuela is failing because they based their socialist spending on oil revenue, not on taxes. Oil price is down, system collapses, no shit. Chavez was the Oprah Winfrey of state oil revenue and did not set up a stable system.
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>>726745959
Hey, not the colonist's fault the natives didn't have any laws that covered all the territory, and didn't have the means to defend themselves and the territory they didn't have a full form of legal control over.
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>>726746021
he was right tho, you just lack the capacity to understand the circulatory nature of the economy
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>>726728625
Government control
Equality
You can only pick one faggot
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>>726745722
>Oh I understand it all to well, friend.

No. You don't.

>accumulated wealth
Any accumulated cash was taxed. If property was obtained at price X and appreciated to price Y but not sold, it is not taxed. When it is sold, it is taxed.

Your entire view is summarized on the old, stupid canard: "Eat the rich." There's nothing else there. Dark implications of conspiracy and accusations of greed and deceit. And why? Because they own $1 more than YOU think they should have.

You want to seize wealth you didn't earn when it crosses an arbitrary level. That's not only greed, and not only theft, but powerlust.
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>>726725254
>No matter which party/candidate you support, you will get pitted against other opposition.

I'm okay with this
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>>726739095
no. The Democrats (a few) made a few noises, but did their jobs - confirmed appointments because the nominees were good enough for the posts. republicans decided over a year before Obama was due to leave office that they jsut wouldn't do the job, adn would not look at any nominee. Obama could have offered to make Ryan a SC judge, or BUSH (any BUSH) or put trump onthe bench and they would not look at it. He could have offered hitler and they wouldn't do it. On principle. The principle being that no democrat should be allowed to nominate .
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>>726746129
They didn't even have nations. Most didn't even have *writing,* the wheel, metallurgy, or any of the rest of those tier 1 technologies from Civ.

They also had small, dispersed populations outside central America. Fewer than 10 million in 1492. Claiming ownership of all North America? That's ridiculous.
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>>726725254
I don't think this is about candidates anymore. People don't want to be ruled by an orange manbaby who can't even manage a casino without failing miserably.

Have you noticed how he goes apeshit every time things don't go they way he wants? No qualified leader of the free world should throw tweet rants about celebrities or companies when he has better things to do, like running country, and I find disturbing how Trump supporters ignore this.
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>>726745856
lol this is the same bullshit analysis they trotted out during the primary

"First, it assumes that state and local governments will dump all of their health care obligations onto the federal government at a cost of $4.1 trillion over the next decade. That is categorically false. Bernie’s plan requires state and local governments to maintain their current levels of health care spending – a maintenance of effort that has been upheld by the courts.

Secondly, this study significantly underestimates the savings in administration, paperwork, and prescription drug prices that every major country on earth has successfully achieved by adopting a universal health care program.

The Physicians for a National Health Program (PNHP) has estimated that we could save nearly $500 billion annually on paperwork and administration alone – enough savings not only to provide universal coverage to the uninsured, but also to eliminate deductibles, co-payments, and co-insurance for everyone in America. Hospitals currently spend over 25 percent on administrative costs in this country, but just 12.4 percent in Canada.

Third, the authors of this report estimate that the cost of our plan would be about $8 trillion more than even the highest cost estimates to date — estimates that have already been debunked by the experts at Physicians for a National Health Program."

https://berniesanders.com/press-release/sanders-campaign-statement-on-tax-policy-centers-analysis/
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>>726745722
I did think about it. Questions, though - are you going to be the one in charge of taxation? Or someone you trust? Also, how much is too much? And by "taxing the shit out of them," where will the money go and what will they do with it? Put money back into the system? Government programs? How has the system's track record been so far?

Think about it.
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>>726746516
The democrats literally didn't show up to work for 3 weeks in January because they were pitching a fit about appointees. Get fucking real kid. That was literally 8 weeks ago.

kek
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>>726746516
>The principle being that no democrat should be allowed to nominate .

The principle being that a lame duck president who lost Congress shouldn't make lifetime judicial appointments.

A practice which dates to the 60s, when Johnson tried to appoint his personal buddy Abe Fortas to the Supreme Court on his way out the door.

But yeah, it's just Republicans being mean now. Pfft.
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>>726739065
No conspiring with a foreign power is treason - Trump did that. he has also committed fraud, libel, slander, perjury bribery, misuse of charitable funds, misuse of public funds, fraudulent acquisition of public funds, tax evasion, fraudulent declaration of income for tax avoidance, theft and according to at least one ex wife, rape.
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>>726746063
On the issue of tolerance: People are more important than views. I will unconditionally tolerate your person. If tolerating your views would mean suffering that someone else's person should not be tolerated, then, no, I will not tolerate your views. But I will nonetheless tolerate your person. That's more than you can say for conservatives.
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>>726746520
Pretty much this. Savage, only some of them. But highly unadvanced? Certainly. Nearly all of North America had no owner of any kind.
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>>726746540
You're literally repeating political propaganda spouting obvious untruths (like how universal healthcare is cheap!) and expecting us all to take it seriously.

From the "socialist" who just bought his third house.
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democrat views on "gun control"
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>>726725254
I don't think the protesters are killing democracy.

I think a guy who didn't actually get the most votes winning the election is killing democracy.

I didn't vote for Trump, yet 100% of my state power (electoral votes) went to him. they didn't cut a slice out of it to represent how I voted.
It essentially makes my vote worthless, wasted. thousands of people in my state didn't vote for trump and they didn't get any representation.

This type of malarky bullshit is disenfranchising the American people. this is why people hate the government and people like Burnout Sandels get put on a pedestal and praised by young people.

I'm not wasting my time protesting. But I have no respect for this type of system at all. Ironically I'll probably benefit more from the Trump election than poor unemployed trump supporters, If I have to pay even 2% less in taxes, that would be a huge improvement in my life. But I still don't like him. I care about freedom, and I care about my fellow countrymen, America is a wonderful country, and I hate to see it get ruined.
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>>726746269

lol - 'earn'

These rich people don't 'earn' their wealth - that shows how little you actually understand what is going on.

Why do you think investment income is called 'unearned income' for the purposes of taxation? (And is taxed at a substantially reduced rate to boot)

Rich don't earn - they make arrangements for the productivity of the masses to flow their way.

They are basically modern day plantation owners. Except you don't get to see the plantation anymore.

Your thinking is all ass-backward, friend.

Perhaps one day the light will shine for you as it did me. I too used to argue your points. It is a seductive logical fallacy that unbridling the rich and powerful will benefit all men. Or even most men.
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>>726740302
That's pretty optimistic dude, if all my needs were met I'd probably be a lot less driven. I'd become an MLG gamer or a world traveler and in the end just be a Leach. No offense but isn't it native to think everyone has the same passion you do?
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>>726746794
Show your evidence. Documents. Affidavits. Video recordings. Because all I see is a butthurt leftist slandering the guy who wasn't supposed to beat his Hag Queen.
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>>726746811
That's just factually untrue and you're a faggot. Great blanket statement for every conservative ever though, shows just how fucking stupid you are.

Kek
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>>726746966
Both Clinton and Trump were aiming to win the system we have: the electoral college. The popular vote is a meme. Trump did get the most votes, but not in the system you like.
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>>726746886
Part of me wants a all out gun ban just so the government would see how little control it actually has when it tries to enforce it.
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>>726747035
>That's just factually untrue and you're a faggot.
No, it's true. I will unconditionally tolerate your person. It's depressing that you don't believe me.

>Great blanket statement for every conservative ever though, shows just how fucking stupid you are.
Point me to where I said "all conservatives."
hint u cant
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In a world of alternative facts, there's no point in arguing with Nazis. Their depravity and cognitive dissonance will never allow them to accept that human lives are important regardless of whether those lives can financially benefit others.
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>>726747254
>I will nonetheless tolerate your person. That's more than you can say for conservatives.

>b-b-but point where I made a blanket statement about all conservatives!

How retarded are you exactly?
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>>726746811
I am fiscal/government conservative and social classic liberal.
I feel the same way as you do, however...
Both leftists and rightists trample rights and freedoms, to deny one side does and the other doesn't is ignorance at best, and a lie at worst.
I don't not tolerate the insane PC naziism of the current SJW mindset, likewise, I don't agree with denial of basic rights for anyone regardless of who they are, who they sleep with, and what they want to pretend to be.
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>>726747254
You said conservatives in a plural sense and to symbolize them as a demographic... So that is a blanket statement dip shit.
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>>726746255
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>>726747456
>That's more than you can say for conservatives.
This is not a blanket statement about all conservatives. It's a statement about conservatives. The words "blanket" and "all" are missing from that description.
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>>726742951
Us health care cost over twice what it does in the UK, per capita. And the UK covers 100% of population, while the US leaves out a substantial number of people . so you already pay twice as much, and do not cover everyone, and get a worse service on average - UK NHS is number 1 int he world in a recent survey by the (american) Commonwealth foundation.

you are simply wrong. It is affordable (more than the current insurance and lawyer and admin top heavy US system) and better.
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>>726746969
More conspiratorial garbage.

You're claiming that Steve Jobs didn't earn his wealth? Jeff Bezos? Bill Gates? Mark Cuban? They're all just part of some cabal of people born rich, who manipulate the system like some sort of Illuminati? They DIDN'T work out of their garages to invent new things to make the world better? Ok, lunatic.

>Why do you think investment income is called 'unearned income' for the purposes of taxation? (And is taxed at a substantially reduced rate to boot)

This is a lie. 'Unearned income' is taxed according to its individual characterization, which can be as normal income (like interest) or capital gains, which is divided into short term and long term.

You're completely fucking wrong. And you REFUSE to learn otherwise. You're fundamentally unserious, and undeserving of serious consideration.
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>>726747519
see: >>726747560
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>>726746882
lol the study you cited assumed things that arent true about his plan, and my source proves that. you lose, good day sir
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>>726747121
I don't care about how they campaigned.

I care about how the american people voted.
People are people, not states. More human beings voted for Clinton.

That is how i see it. The person who was desired by real people.
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>>726747358
Sure, kid. It's the dems who care about people's lives?

Fucking kek
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>>726725254
Trump won because of an outdated system we should no longer use. The popular vote chose Clinton.

That's the problem with your rosy scenario, OP. We don't want this shithead in office, and we're going to remove him.
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>>726747358
So everyone who disagrees with you is a Nazi? Go back to Tumblr faggot
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>>726725254
but the democratic process is literal shit
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>>726746305

Dubious quote - but no sense arguing it as it matters not, because yep - Democrats used to be the party of segregation and racism.

Used to be.

That changed in the 1960s and the racists all fled to the GOP who welcomed them with open arms (Wiki: Southern Strategy)

Fun Fact: Truman was the president who desegregated the military. Basically getting the ball rolling on the purging of segregationists from the Democratic party.

Ain't history funny??
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>>726747655
this
also dubs checked
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>>726747758
>history
READING IS FOR FAGGOTS
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>>726743152
which party holds out a false promise that if you work hard you will be a millionaire (on minimum wage, how does that add up?) that the poor are just lazy, and the hard workers will be rewarded.

who tells irt poor idiots that they should vote for tax breaks for billionaires, because one day they might be billionaires themselves, becaus ethe american dream?

fuck off.

no Democrat ever said I couldn't make it, but no Democrat ever said that they were better people because they were rich and I wasn't .
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>>726747560
That's a statement about conservatives... But not a statement about all conservatives? You fucking what??
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>>726747500
>Both leftists and rightists trample rights and freedoms
why do faggots always try to drag the left down with the right?

This just seems to be hardwired with some anons.
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>>726747578
>Us health care cost over twice what it does in the UK, per capita.

Fucking what? You want me to use the US costs, which are HIGHER? Because I used the UK costs. I even gave the NHS website citation for it.

And I'm "wrong" because a poll said so, no matter what the numbers say? Feelings trump data?

This is weapons grade stupid. You should team up with that idiot who thinks investment income is tax free and go start a revolution somewhere and get shot.
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>>726747655
Were you upset when Dubya Bush won without the popular vote?

Also important to note is that the more important branch of government, but less flashy, the legislature, is pretty much all popular vote. Go wild and vote for your senators and representatives. You'll make more of an impact than shitting about the electoral college on a Japanese image board.
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>>726747695
No, only those who want to fuck over minorities and the disabled. Oh wait, I that's the only group that I universally disagree with so I guess you're right. Carry on, Nazi.
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>>726747945
Who wasn't upset? Gore should have won.
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>>726747652
>stomp foot
>my propaganda IS SO right
>I WIN
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>>726748052
At least you're consistent.

I reiterate, vote for senators and representatives. It'll do more.
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>>726747933
>That's a statement about conservatives... But not a statement about all conservatives? You fucking what??
>Hold up, you mean people can have opinions about demographics and also recognize there are exceptions to those opinions?
>You mean not everyone is as much of a bigot as I am?
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>>726747934
Because the left is just as bad. But you know... more whiny.
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>>726748133
Not that anon, but I do.
Maybe this will finally be the year people start taking midterms seriously. Because it's a way to lessen Trump's power.
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>>726747945
What's funny is that the Dems got clobbered in Congress, state legislatures, and governors' races, too.

Fun fact: If you delete California's votes, Trump won by more than 1 million.
Funner fact: This guys is whining about people being individually disenfranchised because electoral votes, but doesn't care about all the Republicans in California who don't bother voting because they know it won't count.
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>>726743723
not saying that. Just saying that trump is an expert only at bullshitting adn grabbing tax handouts. If I had been given a billion by the state of New York adn another half billion by my dad in the 70's, I would be richer than Trump. And I would not bilk my suppliers and run casinos into the ground to run up paper losses that I would pass off to my investors and sell tot he banks, to declare a tax right off without declaring the income, and pocketing a billion on the way. Because although he thinks that makes him "smart" i think it makes him a fucking thief.
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>>726747758
>Dubious quote - but no sense arguing it as it matters not

>but history matters when I want it to!

What a fucking idiot. Jesus Christ you faggots will literally change the goalpost on ANYTHING to make yourselves sound sane on top of just making up facts along the way.
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>>726748242
>Fun fact: If you delete California's votes, Trump won by more than 1 million.
Fun fact: there's literally no reason to delete California's votes
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>>726748177
Then you start off by acknowledging there are exceptions, we can't read your mind you fucking pleb... Is it hard being this stupid?
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>>726748133
The Electoral College wouldn't bother me if the popular vote matched the outcome. But in two relatively recent elections which changed the US significantly, the fact that it wasn't the case is disturbing.
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>>726743804
and what is the cost per person int eh US?.... more than the UK....
and you have potential for savings because of economies of scale...
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>>726748242
If you're going to whine about anyone not bothering to vote because they won't be represented, then the solution you want is abolishing the Electoral College.
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>>726748177
That's pathetically weak sauce.

>"Mexico sends us rapists."
>"OMFG HE CALLED ALL MEXICANS RAPISTS."

What you said was actually MORE general than that. You just let the mask slip and now wish you hadn't been so obvious and are trying to cover for it with lies and insinuations that you're just SO sophisticated.

Rubbish. How fucking stupid do you think people are?
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>>726747758
>Democrats used to be the party of segregation and racism.
>Used to be.

Wrong. There are straight up irrefutable quotes ITT that show just how overtly racist dems are. You've got your head in the sand if you think otherwise.
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>>726747934
Because it's retards like you who've drank deeply of the flavoraid and don't realize they are both authoritarian cocksuckers who want to take your rights away. Repubs do it through women's and minority issues, Dems do it through censorship and punishment of 1st amendment issues.
They both are going to fuck you over, and you have willingly bought into one side because you think they are "ok" as long as it doesn't affect you.
Guess what, dumbass. Each time you go along with allowing them to get away with take some more rights from one person, it opens the door to allow more to be nibbled away at - and it is only a matter of time before it starts to effect you too because eventually, they'll turn on you too.
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>>726748242
>What's funny is that the Dems got clobbered in Congress, state legislatures, and governors' races, too.

In shit-tier states, sure.
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>>726748336
Fun fact California is inhabited by yupps and sjw's and hated by the rest of the country.
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>>726748463
...distributing state-run healthcare to an entire continent *as a public entitlement* is an economy of scale?

Stop trying to use terms you don't understand. It's embarrassing.
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>>726748517
>Dems do it through censorship and punishment of 1st amendment issues.
Bullshit.

Name the last time a Democrat did either.

Also, it's funny you think Democrats are "the left."
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>>726745216

They weren't fighting to survive, they were economic migrants thinking they would get the freedom to start afresh in a bountiful land

The natives were restricted to terrorism and guerrilla warfare.

Very different story when the immigrants don't come with an army.

Not saying that the modern immigrants aren't also economic migrants of course
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>>726748605
Fun fact: you're 12.
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>>726748471
Wasn't me whining. I like the electoral college, because I understand why it's there.
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>>726748242
That may change in 2018.

Also, always delete commiefornia's votes.

>>726748428
It's not as big of a deal as it seems. Remember, the popular vote doesn't matter for the Presidency.
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>>726748550
>I didn't want those grapes anyway. They're probably sour.

Awesome. Stay the fuck out and enjoy your perpetual minority status.
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>>726748415
It's hilarious to me that you're so used to dealing in absolutes that "there are exceptions" isn't the default for you.

>>726748485
>What you said was actually MORE general than that.
agree
>You just let the mask slip
What mask?
>and now wish you hadn't been so obvious and are trying to cover for it with lies
But they aren't lies.
>and insinuations that you're just SO sophisticated
I've insinuated no such thing.
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>>726745701
and if you believe that shit...
what car I could drive? fuck off
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>>726748696
"Oh yeah? W-well... y-you're 12!"


mfw
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>>726747945
I don't think anybody should get the presidency without the popular vote.

Dem or Repub

I lean left but never consider myself a liberal.

Elections are dumb shit. it's the principle
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