>Is the American democracy reaching an end? People refuse to accept their candidate didn't win and literally goes to war against the democratic process because they lost, how will American politics survive in the future?
No matter which party/candidate you support, you will get pitted against other opposition. What can be done in order to keep the social order? >separatism >civil war >authoritarianism
>>726725254 It's not about inability to accept the loss, it's about who the orange fruitcake is and what the orangutan represents. If you can't even see this point, then your own argument is null. I didn't vote for the 70-year-old manchild, but I still accept the results as they are. He's POTUS, so let him do what he's gonna do. If he crashes the nation with fear-mongering and toxic policies, then let him. Let him screw up and then move on, because those of us that have seen the shitstorm that is Trump a longtime coming, are only going to laugh in the faces of the fact-deniers with an "I told you so" expression.
>>726730329 not really. i'm swedish and i can tell you scandinavian socalism isn't that great. not saying we're a third world country, but there's several problems tied to the inability of a socalist system to work in the long run. >running out of other people's resources
>>726730588 All I see are 3 moochers trying to get something that's paid for by other people. All those people in the stands pay for tickets which in turn builds stadiums and pays the players. Fuck you.
>>726731274 You forgot about Valdmir Putin and North Korea's entire Kim dynasty. Every few months for the past several years, I read about them killing someone who was about to testify against them, and their excuse is always some vague claim of treason. We can also add Trump to the list now that some of his associates are dying shortly before they were supposed to go on record with information about his connections with Putin.
>>726732010 Oh, I'm sorry, I forget... you want career politicians to run the government. People who have little to no experience out in the real world. Just sleep with a president, use that to become senator, then sec. state, then you automatically DESERVE being president.
>>726731818 That appears the best solution to me, but it also appears many americans want to become an european democracy and there's people behind the curtains who's slowly chipping away the constitution.
>>726731979 herrejävlar. you think i'm gonna post my face on 4chan, son. ain't gonna happen. what's so hard to believe. there's been swedes here before, right? >sweden >yes
No, the Republican party and it's leadership is reaching an end. that's why they have no problems colluding with Russia, this is it for them and they know it.
Republicans are the biggest threat to our democracy, their inability to know when someone is lying to them and the stubbornness to admit when their wrong or in other words, the Republicans complete and utter destain for intelligence, integrity and honesty will be our downfall.
>>726732212 Quite a few people believe the United States is a democracy, believe in 9-11 conspiracies, and think the world is flat. I blame the parents for not demanding better education for their kids.
>>726732261 >No, the Democratic party and it's leadership is reaching an end. that's why they have no problems colluding with Islam, this is it for them and they know it.
Democrats are the biggest threat to our democracy, their inability to know when someone is lying to them and the stubbornness to admit when their wrong or in other words, the Democrats complete and utter destain for intelligence, integrity and honesty will be our downfall.
>>726731970 i've haven't heard of putin being a mass murderer, but it wouldn't surprise me. and you're definitly right about korea; the kim dynasty are fucking crazy
>>726732261 is it better with crazy democrats that runs around in the streets and attack people for having the wrong opinion and ruining for the elected president? he was elected after all, for good or worse...
>>726725254 >their candidate didn't win Fucking seriously? After all this, you Republican fucks still can't get off the "I won, you lost" mentality? This is why nobody's going to take you seriously when midterms come around.
>>726727334 You're part of the problem. You call him a manchild, yet you resort to name calling - the sign of immaturity. You accuse him for fear mongering, and yet you do so yourself in your post with you dire predictions. This is why he won - leftists cannot see their own immaturity and hypocrisy. Trump was a poor, poor choice out of a basket of horrible choices for this election. I can only hope that someone bucks their party, and starts don't right by the American public rather than playing politics and towing the party lines. I will not accept or endorse someone like Sanders who is openly a socialist, it needs to be someone who puts America and especially her citizenry first ,regardless of what political colors they wear, over the machine that is the US government. They must be committed to reducing big federal government, and start allowing states more autonomy. They should care more about their own citizenry than foreign aid - because until we eliminate poverty, homelessness, obesity, and lack of facilities and assistance for mental illness in our own country, we shouldn't be trying to prop up any other country or peoples.
What if, I mean this is just a theory I only have mountains of evidence, that both Republicans and Democrats are completely full of shit.
Democrats are lying about racism, sexism, identity politics, feminism, communism, socialism, routinely manufacture facts, and deny science. They are globalist shitstains completely bought and sold by corporations.
Republicans are a bunch of useless anti-fact, military industrial complex shills, warmongering, conspiracy theorist, anti-science, anti-logic, trickle-down-economic fuckwads that are completely bought and sold by corporations.
>>726733905 What if they're 2 sides of the same coin and all this anti-trump nonsense is fueled by the entrenched power structure? What if they want to stop this first outsider so another never reaches the presidency?
>>726733905 >>726734098 that's pretty much how i see it. same coin, different sides. i can't comprehend how people can take politicians seriously. to me, they're just a bunch charlatans that tells different lies in order to reach the same goal. i like what jamaican niggers call them: politricks
>>726734364 I guess I expected too much for democrats to know that happened, so I'll give you context. This was in 1992 under President George H Bush:
Were there a vacancy, Biden argued, Bush should “not name a nominee until after the November election is completed,” and if he did, “the Senate Judiciary Committee should seriously consider not scheduling confirmation hearings on the nomination until after the political campaign season is over.” “Senate consideration of a nominee under these circumstances is not fair to the president, to the nominee, or to the Senate itself,” he continued. “Where the nation should be treated to a consideration of constitutional philosophy, all it will get in such circumstances is partisan bickering and political posturing from both parties and from both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue.”
>>726734756 Don't forget that in 2007, Senator Chuck Schumer said he would block ANY Supreme Court nominee by George Bush. Of course, in 2016, he said the exact opposite, but then, a democrat was president.
>>726734756 That was very close to the election. The Republicans' refused to do their jobs for an unprecedented amount of time. Maybe we should settle this with a constitutional amendment stating that presidents may only select justices to replace those who died or retired during the previous term. If the Supreme Court has more than 3 vacancies, they can instead be filled by a vote of people in the next midterm.
>>726735626 See: >>726735441 That was in 2007, over a year before the 2008 election. Sorry, try again. Once more, it's OK when the dems do it, but God forbid the GOP does the exact same thing, then they shriek bloody murder.
I think it's about time for americans to abandon politicians and start relcaiming the spirit that founded the country; freedom. all politics does is sowing hatred. just live and let live, instead of being tricked into artificial conflicts by the charlatans in congress
>>726735906 That was demonstrated to be empty rhetoric. A nominee was confirmed before the next presidential term that time. Republicans actually refused to do their jobs, and now they can only come up with a raving lunatic who makes such bad decisions that the current court is ruling against them unanimously.
>>726736715 You might want to read the Constitution... specifically the parts dealing with advice and consent. The senate have the right to give or deny consent to any presidential appointment. They represent the people who elected them, not the president. Both sides block SC appointments when the other guy is president. How did you not know this?
If he's a Foreign Agent (in any capacity) his rule is illegitimate-->Anything he does after taking office must be undone-->All those complicit in his promotion must be investigated as an accessory for treason-->Are there any hanging trees at 1600 Pennsylvania?
>>726738095 >implying impeachment only applies to presidents Are you retarded?
>>726738195 It was one 9th circuit and one 4th circuit judge and one US district judge - all of which are extremely liberal court locations and judges. You're full of shit about it being a unanimous Supreme Court split.
>>726738391 It's reasonable to assume that was a typo and we're talking about Bill, because Hillary is completely irrelevant. She never was nor will be president. These baseless hypotheticals about what might have happened if she had won have no bearing on the fact that Trump is guilty of treason.
Voting is just another tool used by authoritarians to cloak and justify their power as they can no longer rely on divine right since we burst that bubble, so they'll base their "right" to power on ad populum fallacies instead. Letting us vote is nothing but an empty gesture to give us the semblance of control when really the only options are the ones approved by the state and media. When you vote you are only voting for blood sucking politicians who have already been pre-chosen for you. It's insane and defeatist to keep doing the same thing, voting over and over just because everyone else does, and expecting different results. It is no measure of good health to conform to an ill society. Democracy is tyranny by majority. This is why no ONE single politician, president, king, leader, or even group of people could ever represent any and all people in the entire world fairly, honestly, and without bias. We need a new system that functions on the philosophy that the greatest expression of freedom is doing whatever you want so long as it does not harm or effect anyone else. By voting you are voting yes for the system, you are going out of your way to scribble a check on a piece of paper that says "I have faith in this system". By continuously choosing the lesser of two evils, picking option piss over option shit, you are feeding the oppressive troll that is this system. If voting could truly change the system it would be illegal.
>>726733737 Well said, I voted for him because he was the best of the worst. Not the best choice mind you but I'm hoping he can do a good job instead of bashing him. With that said I'm not a huge fan of him not repelling obamacare and just making something new.
>>726738729 You clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about, so keep your alternative facts to yourself and have a seat. http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-supreme-court-rules-for-children-with-1490202454-htmlstory.html
>>726739052 It must be hard to type with your head so far up your ass. http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-supreme-court-rules-for-children-with-1490202454-htmlstory.html
>>726731274 Take money out of the equation and people appoint themselves to what they are capable of providing to society. What do we need money for if everyone has access to every human need? People become doctors on the basis of helping the sick, not the money. Only then will you have non corruption in an "industry". People who sweep floors do so cause they are incapable of any other task based on age, mental or physical handicap or ect...I'm a carpenter, I frame houses, doesn't pay well, I make enough to survive but I love the work. Imagine a world where everything is there for everyone with no money involved? Nobody has anything more than anyone else. Just go to work and do your job, go home all your needs are met. Everyone needs a home or a repair or a new roof ect....everyone needs a doctor visit, that doctor needs some work done in his house. Just imagine all the services needed and rendered in every aspect of our society. Minus anything having to do with a monetary system. We as a species would be able to do anything without any restrictions. There's no greed or power to be had, just common goals. Survive and expand. We'd have a moon base by now, mining asteroids, visiting Mars and such, cause there's no debate or funds needed that exists. This is the only way our species will survive anything. This old tradition construct of leaders and debt is just barbaric to the point that it will only self destruct or be destroyed eventually. It's a hard concept to grasp and took me 30 years to think it through but it's the only way it will be eventually.
>>726740145 Correction: you responded to me without knowing dick. It's ignorant leftist children like you that make this country worse. Please follow through with your threats and move to Canada like you said.
>>726740730 Read back through the thread, dumbass. I was talking separately about the recent SCOTUS decision, and you jumped in raging about how I was supposedly lying, when you obviously had no idea about the decision I mentioned. You neo Nazis and your alternative facts always deny the real facts even when they're literally right in front of you.
>>726740912 US Intelligence doesn't need a FISA to listen to foreign persons (Trump just called at the wrong time). Incidental collection. GCHQ doesn't need a FISA to listen in on Trump either. Brit & US Intel goes way back, transcending Administrations.
>>726740935 Dont be ridiculous. Govts are not corporations - but they are so heavily influenced by them the distinction may seem blurred to you.
You dont get to vote concrning the actions of corporations - unless you are a major shareholder or board member. And that only if it is publicly traded. Closely held private corps do whatever they want with near impunity.
At least with properly elected govt you have (in theory) a mechanism in place whereby the people's interests may be heard. Govt is in fact your only defense against Big Business run amok. Which is exactly why the big shots want you to hate govt. Its good for their bottom line.
>>726741529 >US Intelligence doesn't need a FISA to listen to foreign persons (Trump just called at the wrong time).
Uh, FISA stands for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Such orders are necessary for surveillance involving "US persons," which is widely defined to include foreign nationals in the US or working for a US institution or business, or involving US citizens.
If court authorizations were not necessary for "Foreign Surveillance," then there would not be a "Foreign Surveillance" court that exists specifically to issue such authorizations, would there?
>>726741584 I'm seriously considering it. Becoming "working poor." I literally made $200 over what was the break for affordable healthcare for me, but I don't make enough to actually be able to afford healthcare. Company I work for shitcanned 23 employees to get under the mandatory healthcare for companies over 50 back when this started. I was one of the "lucky"'ones. But because they sacked so many, they lost contracts for jobs, and now we are down to 12 employees that are full time, and 6 part time. I'm thinking of taking a pay cut and asking for a part time position because they can't afford to give me a raise (they claim), and I cannot make enough to live off of but likewise, make too much for any living or healthcare assistance. Thanks Demoshits. Really. Thanks.
>>726727334 Then what, after the orange oompa loompa leaves office, we have to be the ones to pick up the pieces and he will be back to complaining about the system that he screwed up in the first place.
>>726742043 A "U.S. person" includes citizens, lawfully admitted permanent resident aliens, and corporations incorporated in the United States. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act I can read.
>>726741752 I disagree, they are. From how they are structured to the way matters are handled, they are corporations through and through - the only thing that sets them apart is A: they print currency and B: they handle more foreign affairs than most corps. It's a sham anymore for elections - money buys the votes. It's just business as usual now.
>>726741584 This is why we need universal coverage. Healthcare is vital service. We can't just let the poor die, but having income requirements/limits for a healthcare program makes it impossible for the chronically ill to get necessary care while trying to transition into the workforce.
Dubious claim - and sure they do. Not all tax is income tax. Poor ppl pay a disproportionate amount of their meager income in the form of sales taxes and property taxes (yes, Virginia, renters pay property tax) ... as well as every kind of absurd vampiric fee the rentier class can dream up to squeeze every drop of blood from the less well off. At the end of the day the wealthy pay less by far as a percentage of income than anyone else - and they have the influence to keep it that way. Don't expect me to shed a tear for them.
> The united states already has the most progressive tax system in the world. The more you make, the higher the percentage that you pay, and it's a steep incline.
>>726742664 The British NHS costs more than $2200 per person in Britain, some 60 million. That would cost more than $700 billion *a year* for equivalent "service" (that routinely and infamously lets its patients die of neglect) in the US, with its population 320 million.
.>$700 billion in a country $20T in debt with almost $1T deficits.
>>726731274 >why should i for example, want to become a doctor if i can make the same money sweeping floors?
this shows monetary thinking. Not caring for people thinking - which doctors should do. If the only reason you become a doctor is for the cash, you are likely to be a bad doctor. also, if you would be happy sweeping floors, not bored, not need a more interesting, and challenging life, fine - but if not you might well want to be a doctor, to care for people, to pursue knowledge, to experience something that a mere floor sweeper never will.
>>726741866 >The united states already has the most progressive tax system in the world. The more you make, the higher the percentage that you pay, and it's a steep incline. I dare you to try providing a chart comparing our tax code to other nations. I'll wait.
>>726743288 Okay, so where's your citation for the ridiculous claim about what it would cost in the US? Make sure you take into account the fact that for-profit insurance and other crooked middlemen will be all but obsolete, and therefore will not be raiding our healthcare fund.
>>726732216 >People who have little to no experience out in the real world.
who have spent their lives learning about the real world and visiting it and talking to its other leaders and community leaders and their constituents. People who have spent their lives working in government, learning how it works, how to write legislation, how to get abill passed in congress. people utterly unlike the fuckup president we have who does not even know how many articles are in the constitution or the wording of it, or know what powers he does and does not have.
yes we want people who know what theya re doing. Not con artisits who don't know anything about trade or tax policy, or international relations, or economics, or environment or health care. Not idiots who think that if it makes money (especially for them, and their family and friends) it is good, and if it costs money it is evil. Because that isn't what government is about.
>>726743129 >Europeans took their land, food sources and way of life
After four centuries of being kidnapped, murdered, raped, cannibalized, and scalped, they earned it.
The late 20th century fetish for romanticizing Indians is asinine. They were almost all bloodthirsty barbarians. Look into the Iroquois confederation, the Sioux, the Comanches, the Apaches; check out the Aztecs, who were so widely hated that their enslaved subjects allied with the invading Spaniards specifically to destroy them.
The same kind of 'finally, the whites will team up and help us eliminate these monsters' occurred with the Comanches and Aztecs.
No white woman was ever kidnapped by the Comanches who *wasn't* gang raped and tortured. You know what their favorite torture was? Scalping while alive, heating a tomahawk in a fire, and then applying it to the bare skull.
The rest of history and just how shitty the natives could be doesn't become the central focus of our history, because there was enough native cooperation and peacefulness that we don't focus on the negatives.
This is where we went wrong, today, because the narrative has been flipped to be against the dominant culture.
>>726743804 >Thinks the cost per person will be identical between countries with very different economies and infrastructures. >Compares per-person cost in a smaller nation to the total cost in a larger nation and thinks it's a valid argument. >Thinks a reasonable per-person cost is automatically scary just because it serves more people and is equally funded by more people.
>>726744013 not him but he would be right if he said that the middle class pay more than the extremely wealthy as a percentage, if your making like 75K you probably pay like 30-35%, depending on state taxes, and that's much more than trump did. Also we have a lot of reasons to believe that trump released his best tax year to create a good story about himself. rachel maddow is a retard
>>726734098 >? What if they want to stop this first outsider so another never reaches the presidency?
except Trump is pure Republican. Indeed purer than many republicans had ever dreamed they could be and get away with it. he is openly pouring money into his pockets and those of his billionaire friends. he sold seats in cabinet to the highest bidder (he made money out of the campaign, including millions charged to the Secret Service for protecting him while he stayed in his hotels and used his plane and got the campaign donors to pay him full whack for using it)
You know why he admires Putin - because Putin is an open kleptocrat. And Trump is the same. His tax regime ideas are republican wet dream - tax cut for the rich, screw the poor, and blow the budget - the Democrats can sort out the deficit when they get in next time, but they will never take back the billions that Trump is going to give his cronies in construction, private education and medicine and the billions they will make from lax environmental regulation and the oil and coal bubble he is running up.
>>726743925 >there was enough native cooperation and peacefulness that we don't focus on the negatives.
What peacefulness and cooperation? The Indian Wars were damned near continuous from the 17th century to the 20th, from Quebec to Louisiana to Arizona. Being murdered by Indians was still a realistic (though diminished) threat in north rural Texas in the early 20th century. The last war didn't end until *1924.*
You're right the 'narrative' changed, but that's because of concerted effort by revisionist historians, not because Indians really were peaceful, pipe smoking, spiritualist proto-hippies.
>>726743835 It is a well known fact that Warren Buffet pays a lower overall tax rate than his secretary. He has made a point of this himself.
Why do you defend the wealthy? You are not one of them and almost certainly never will be. They are using you like a fieldhand so they can sit in golden chairs and laugh at you in their tea rooms. They are literally cucking everyone who works for a living while they play golf in Bermuda. Some of us have eyes to see that and some don't, I guess.
>>726734233 no - he warned against doing it in the last few months before an election, not over a year before. And given that this is the last year of Trump's presidency, should we be looking at his candidate?
It is a well known fact that Warren Buffet pays a lower overall tax rate than his secretary. He has made a point of this himself.
Why do you defend the wealthy? You are not one of them and almost certainly never will be. They are using you like a fieldhand so they can sit in golden chairs and laugh at you in their tea rooms. They are literally cucking everyone who works for a living while they play golf in Bermuda. Some of us have eyes to see that and some don't, I guess.
>>726744888 >It is a well known fact that Warren Buffet pays a lower overall tax rate than his secretary.
That's because his wealth is tied up in the value of assets and is not recognized as income until he sells it. If I have a billion dollars of property, but never sell it, I am not taxed on a billion dollars because it isn't income.
Jesus fucking Christ. If you don't even understand THIS, you have no business arguing taxes at all.
>>726734372 Trump made money from the campaign. he played the system, and didn't need the cash - and he got a lousy low turnout, (lower than romney or Mccain when they lost) and only won because Hillary was a train wreck.
and his causal relationship with truth is a serious problem. he is robbing the american people blind, is a lying, thieving git, and is pushing policies many republicans would never have thought they could get away with, but love to bits - not just social regression but directing tax money into their hands, and giving then tax breaks as well,
>>726744964 bernie had a way to pay for everything he proposed dummy. i know all you retard trump supporters never learned that, but you're wrong and im past having that argument. he said he wanted to raise taxes on the rich. He said he wanted to cut the militairy. He said he wanted to put taxes on high frequency trading, he told you idiots how he was going to pay for everything and you just refused to listen, fucking infuriating. Go do a little research and let the adults talk
>>726734666 if you can't see the difference between tax breaks for the super rich, throwing out environmental controls, privatizing education and health care and infrastructure to put money into republican Party sponsors pockets and supporting racism, and the progressive policies of the Democrats, then you are either really not looking, or a shill.
the argument that they are all the same is such an obvious falsehood, how can you think to say it?
Oh I understand it all to well, friend. And it is exactly why we should tax the shit out of them.
Accumulated wealth affords them leverage to accumulate more wealth in ways the average man cannot even begin to dream about. For these ultra wealthy, taxes are not a burden. They are just a game. They are just numbers on a page. Even wealth accumulation is just a game to them - it has nothing at all to do with their survival.
Beyond a certain point allowing people to accumulate wealth only helps to afford them the opportunity to subvert democracy - which is what has happened. Which is why heavy taxation is necessary to keep things running smoothly and fairly.
>>726745370 Don't forget that she was potentially in the pocket of the Saudis, go on a crusade after a cartoon frog, was surrounded by political elites with extreme distance from normal society, was shit at PR, and flip-flopped more than Romney ever could dream of.
>>726736063 also, given that the thieves party runs congress and the whitehouse and is robbing us blind, it is a bit difficult to just say ignore it. the structures are in place, and like it or not, they run things. you will be taxed. trump will get millions of your dollars given to him. you have no choice.
>>726745664 the problem is he is half right, the democratic party is totally down to sell out to wall street and the health industry and military industrial complex. They're definitely better but lets not act like they're good, they're corrupt as fuck too
Venezuela is failing because they based their socialist spending on oil revenue, not on taxes. Oil price is down, system collapses, no shit. Chavez was the Oprah Winfrey of state oil revenue and did not set up a stable system.
>>726745959 Hey, not the colonist's fault the natives didn't have any laws that covered all the territory, and didn't have the means to defend themselves and the territory they didn't have a full form of legal control over.
>accumulated wealth Any accumulated cash was taxed. If property was obtained at price X and appreciated to price Y but not sold, it is not taxed. When it is sold, it is taxed.
Your entire view is summarized on the old, stupid canard: "Eat the rich." There's nothing else there. Dark implications of conspiracy and accusations of greed and deceit. And why? Because they own $1 more than YOU think they should have.
You want to seize wealth you didn't earn when it crosses an arbitrary level. That's not only greed, and not only theft, but powerlust.
>>726739095 no. The Democrats (a few) made a few noises, but did their jobs - confirmed appointments because the nominees were good enough for the posts. republicans decided over a year before Obama was due to leave office that they jsut wouldn't do the job, adn would not look at any nominee. Obama could have offered to make Ryan a SC judge, or BUSH (any BUSH) or put trump onthe bench and they would not look at it. He could have offered hitler and they wouldn't do it. On principle. The principle being that no democrat should be allowed to nominate .
>>726725254 I don't think this is about candidates anymore. People don't want to be ruled by an orange manbaby who can't even manage a casino without failing miserably.
Have you noticed how he goes apeshit every time things don't go they way he wants? No qualified leader of the free world should throw tweet rants about celebrities or companies when he has better things to do, like running country, and I find disturbing how Trump supporters ignore this.
>>726745856 lol this is the same bullshit analysis they trotted out during the primary
"First, it assumes that state and local governments will dump all of their health care obligations onto the federal government at a cost of $4.1 trillion over the next decade. That is categorically false. Bernie’s plan requires state and local governments to maintain their current levels of health care spending – a maintenance of effort that has been upheld by the courts.
Secondly, this study significantly underestimates the savings in administration, paperwork, and prescription drug prices that every major country on earth has successfully achieved by adopting a universal health care program.
The Physicians for a National Health Program (PNHP) has estimated that we could save nearly $500 billion annually on paperwork and administration alone – enough savings not only to provide universal coverage to the uninsured, but also to eliminate deductibles, co-payments, and co-insurance for everyone in America. Hospitals currently spend over 25 percent on administrative costs in this country, but just 12.4 percent in Canada.
Third, the authors of this report estimate that the cost of our plan would be about $8 trillion more than even the highest cost estimates to date — estimates that have already been debunked by the experts at Physicians for a National Health Program."
>>726745722 I did think about it. Questions, though - are you going to be the one in charge of taxation? Or someone you trust? Also, how much is too much? And by "taxing the shit out of them," where will the money go and what will they do with it? Put money back into the system? Government programs? How has the system's track record been so far?
>>726739065 No conspiring with a foreign power is treason - Trump did that. he has also committed fraud, libel, slander, perjury bribery, misuse of charitable funds, misuse of public funds, fraudulent acquisition of public funds, tax evasion, fraudulent declaration of income for tax avoidance, theft and according to at least one ex wife, rape.
>>726746063 On the issue of tolerance: People are more important than views. I will unconditionally tolerate your person. If tolerating your views would mean suffering that someone else's person should not be tolerated, then, no, I will not tolerate your views. But I will nonetheless tolerate your person. That's more than you can say for conservatives.
>>726725254 I don't think the protesters are killing democracy.
I think a guy who didn't actually get the most votes winning the election is killing democracy.
I didn't vote for Trump, yet 100% of my state power (electoral votes) went to him. they didn't cut a slice out of it to represent how I voted. It essentially makes my vote worthless, wasted. thousands of people in my state didn't vote for trump and they didn't get any representation.
This type of malarky bullshit is disenfranchising the American people. this is why people hate the government and people like Burnout Sandels get put on a pedestal and praised by young people.
I'm not wasting my time protesting. But I have no respect for this type of system at all. Ironically I'll probably benefit more from the Trump election than poor unemployed trump supporters, If I have to pay even 2% less in taxes, that would be a huge improvement in my life. But I still don't like him. I care about freedom, and I care about my fellow countrymen, America is a wonderful country, and I hate to see it get ruined.
These rich people don't 'earn' their wealth - that shows how little you actually understand what is going on.
Why do you think investment income is called 'unearned income' for the purposes of taxation? (And is taxed at a substantially reduced rate to boot)
Rich don't earn - they make arrangements for the productivity of the masses to flow their way.
They are basically modern day plantation owners. Except you don't get to see the plantation anymore.
Your thinking is all ass-backward, friend.
Perhaps one day the light will shine for you as it did me. I too used to argue your points. It is a seductive logical fallacy that unbridling the rich and powerful will benefit all men. Or even most men.
>>726740302 That's pretty optimistic dude, if all my needs were met I'd probably be a lot less driven. I'd become an MLG gamer or a world traveler and in the end just be a Leach. No offense but isn't it native to think everyone has the same passion you do?
In a world of alternative facts, there's no point in arguing with Nazis. Their depravity and cognitive dissonance will never allow them to accept that human lives are important regardless of whether those lives can financially benefit others.
>>726746811 I am fiscal/government conservative and social classic liberal. I feel the same way as you do, however... Both leftists and rightists trample rights and freedoms, to deny one side does and the other doesn't is ignorance at best, and a lie at worst. I don't not tolerate the insane PC naziism of the current SJW mindset, likewise, I don't agree with denial of basic rights for anyone regardless of who they are, who they sleep with, and what they want to pretend to be.
>>726747456 >That's more than you can say for conservatives. This is not a blanket statement about all conservatives. It's a statement about conservatives. The words "blanket" and "all" are missing from that description.
>>726742951 Us health care cost over twice what it does in the UK, per capita. And the UK covers 100% of population, while the US leaves out a substantial number of people . so you already pay twice as much, and do not cover everyone, and get a worse service on average - UK NHS is number 1 int he world in a recent survey by the (american) Commonwealth foundation.
you are simply wrong. It is affordable (more than the current insurance and lawyer and admin top heavy US system) and better.
You're claiming that Steve Jobs didn't earn his wealth? Jeff Bezos? Bill Gates? Mark Cuban? They're all just part of some cabal of people born rich, who manipulate the system like some sort of Illuminati? They DIDN'T work out of their garages to invent new things to make the world better? Ok, lunatic.
>Why do you think investment income is called 'unearned income' for the purposes of taxation? (And is taxed at a substantially reduced rate to boot)
This is a lie. 'Unearned income' is taxed according to its individual characterization, which can be as normal income (like interest) or capital gains, which is divided into short term and long term.
You're completely fucking wrong. And you REFUSE to learn otherwise. You're fundamentally unserious, and undeserving of serious consideration.
>>726743152 which party holds out a false promise that if you work hard you will be a millionaire (on minimum wage, how does that add up?) that the poor are just lazy, and the hard workers will be rewarded.
who tells irt poor idiots that they should vote for tax breaks for billionaires, because one day they might be billionaires themselves, becaus ethe american dream?
no Democrat ever said I couldn't make it, but no Democrat ever said that they were better people because they were rich and I wasn't .
>>726747655 Were you upset when Dubya Bush won without the popular vote?
Also important to note is that the more important branch of government, but less flashy, the legislature, is pretty much all popular vote. Go wild and vote for your senators and representatives. You'll make more of an impact than shitting about the electoral college on a Japanese image board.
>>726747933 >That's a statement about conservatives... But not a statement about all conservatives? You fucking what?? >Hold up, you mean people can have opinions about demographics and also recognize there are exceptions to those opinions? >You mean not everyone is as much of a bigot as I am?
>>726747945 What's funny is that the Dems got clobbered in Congress, state legislatures, and governors' races, too.
Fun fact: If you delete California's votes, Trump won by more than 1 million. Funner fact: This guys is whining about people being individually disenfranchised because electoral votes, but doesn't care about all the Republicans in California who don't bother voting because they know it won't count.
>>726743723 not saying that. Just saying that trump is an expert only at bullshitting adn grabbing tax handouts. If I had been given a billion by the state of New York adn another half billion by my dad in the 70's, I would be richer than Trump. And I would not bilk my suppliers and run casinos into the ground to run up paper losses that I would pass off to my investors and sell tot he banks, to declare a tax right off without declaring the income, and pocketing a billion on the way. Because although he thinks that makes him "smart" i think it makes him a fucking thief.
>>726748133 The Electoral College wouldn't bother me if the popular vote matched the outcome. But in two relatively recent elections which changed the US significantly, the fact that it wasn't the case is disturbing.
>"Mexico sends us rapists." >"OMFG HE CALLED ALL MEXICANS RAPISTS."
What you said was actually MORE general than that. You just let the mask slip and now wish you hadn't been so obvious and are trying to cover for it with lies and insinuations that you're just SO sophisticated.
Rubbish. How fucking stupid do you think people are?
>>726747934 Because it's retards like you who've drank deeply of the flavoraid and don't realize they are both authoritarian cocksuckers who want to take your rights away. Repubs do it through women's and minority issues, Dems do it through censorship and punishment of 1st amendment issues. They both are going to fuck you over, and you have willingly bought into one side because you think they are "ok" as long as it doesn't affect you. Guess what, dumbass. Each time you go along with allowing them to get away with take some more rights from one person, it opens the door to allow more to be nibbled away at - and it is only a matter of time before it starts to effect you too because eventually, they'll turn on you too.
>>726748415 It's hilarious to me that you're so used to dealing in absolutes that "there are exceptions" isn't the default for you.
>>726748485 >What you said was actually MORE general than that. agree >You just let the mask slip What mask? >and now wish you hadn't been so obvious and are trying to cover for it with lies But they aren't lies. >and insinuations that you're just SO sophisticated I've insinuated no such thing.
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