Explain yourselves, you fat, arterial clogged, pimpled face, bitch tit, stinky body odor, limp dick betas.
A whole foods plant-based diet can prevent the following: heart disease (major killer), aneurysms, strokes, cancer, diabetes (can reverse type 2), high blood pressure, inflammatory diseases, obesity, limp dick, spider veins, and being an overall unhealthy, smelly, fat bag of animal lard.
you think your the hot shit but your just another idiot like the rest of them i bet the only pussy your getting is the type that says woof you stupid fuck by which i mean you get no pussy at all you ignorant cunt how about you get with the times and stop trying to pretend your something your not maybe then people wont hate you you stupid prink if i ever see you strolling in my neighbourhood ill fucking jump out the window with my brick and youll be pummelled into the sidewalk son like a motherfucker who thinks he knows what hes doing the police wont even care theyll take one look at you and theyll see your stupid clothes and decided you fucking deserved it.
>>726654966 >fat Has almost nothing to do with not eating meat. If you lose weight when you go vegan, eat more food you tit. >arterial clogged Again, has nothing to do with meat, just happens that fast food burgers are a lot more popular than prime rib, or a good steak. >pimpled face Been proven many, many times that the only way that food affects your acne is if you rub greasy food on your face. >bitch tit That's just an insult >stinky body odour Shower more you dumbass. Has nothing to do with food. >limp dick No clue about this, but my dick still works fine so what does that prove...
>>726655653 What I don't get is if it's for purely health benefits why even call yourself vegan? I'm genuinely asking, like if you aren't against the slaughter of animals and only eat in such a way to promote good health, are you saying you would never ever ingest the smallest amount of chicken or fish for example ever again?
I'm pretty uneducated on the whole matter to be totally honest; I could see myself at one point following a vegan diet but I don't see why I would 100% neglect meat even just as a rare treat.
Nope, but you'll save a lot of money by not going to the hospital and being on a lot of medications like most meat heads.
>we're all going to die anyway,
That's what they all say, until you have a box of medications you take daily, perpetual hospital trips, surgeries, etc. Yeah, we will all die, but some of us prefer to be healthy until that point as opposed to suffering 2 to 3 decades before death. Dumb ass.
Unoriginal, regurgitated response. Proves your IQ is very, very low. Typical meat head.
>>726657220 OP just thinks hes a god because he eats disgusting grasses and it still didnt get him pussy like he thought. Thats why hes ranting and raving about how meat makes your dick stop working.
OP it takes at most 30 to 40 years to be effected from daily meat intake. Thats plenty of time to live life. When you start getting sick. Kurt Cobain it. Shotgun in the mouth with your toe on the trigger.
>>726657388 You didn't even answer my question, if tl;dr is your go-to mindset to anything that isn't blind acceptance or something you can angrily debunk, how do you even aim to sway people to your side?
Unless of course you're just a really shitty troll in which case it all makes sense.
>>726657853 There is no health reason. Vegans are like flat earthers or anti vacc people. They throw you all this shit fluffed up to sound nice. Then when you question it. They lose their shit and throw their claws out.
>>726656031 Yea being a shit troll is so funny, so funny i forgot to laugh. If you wanna be a fucktard why don't you come here and say it to my face so i can answer you with a swift fist to the nose. Yeah you have a lot to say from hundreds of miles away but i bet if my fists were in reach of your face you would be like a tv on mute with no volume button So do yourself a favor and keep your mouth shut unless you want to die. Next time you think about saying something like that to me I want you to remember one thing. I know the guy that created google maps and I can locate you in the time it took me to type this. I trained in mike tysons gym, did i mention that I also have a record of 50 knockouts? Don't want anymore problems....didn't think so faggot.
Typical vegan. It seems as tho 50% of Vegans become vegan just to brag about it. Just eat what you want and shut the fuck up about it. The second someone decides to go vegan, they get up on their soap box about it. There are Vegans that die of health issues early, there are meat eaters that live to be 100. It's all a crap shoot. Again, eat what you what and keeps your useless opinions about other people's eating habits to yourself and your other preachy vegan cohorts. Simple.
>>726658607 You have any idea what gorilla warfare is? I do, I was in the US Marine Core and I perfected it. I'm fully capable of using it on you motherfuckers. I will also bring my boys with me, My men are well armed and very foolhardy. and I have access to an arsenal of Uzis, Ak 47s and R-15s, if only you had thought a little more and you would not have to pray for your life. Do you even know the danger your're in if I find you? I am 100$ serious. Bunch of god damn newfag loser's here and I will not have it. At least I've had sex, had girlfriends, and gotten laid, and blowjobbed unlike you virgin pieces of unpatriotic SHIT!!!
>>726658926 >also that frugivore is also a cannibalistic sadist of a creature
Only when chimps kill a rival tribe, do they commit cannibalism. And it's rare. Chimps, one of our closest cousins, consumes 99% fruit and vegetation. And when fruit is scarce, they will consume ants to get by.
>>726657876 Dogma is a powerful thing my dude, /pure/ veganism is hard to maintain when the majority of complex, interesting dishes enjoyed worldwide contain animal product to some degree. Ever see how fucking Vegans try to lure you in with some "vegan alternative" to everything? Pizza being the most infamous example. I flirted with veganism because so many of my friends started to switch over because we watch a lot of fitness stuff on youtube (not a /fit/izen). I hated it, I tried to stick to it for a month and gave up after 3 weeks, I felt like shit and could not concentrate, though I'll admit that's part of the adjustment.
TL;DR fuck you vegans your pizza sucks and your ice cream is worse
>>726656711 Apart from all the other arguements based in theory and not fact, are you saying you don't shower because you're vegan and you think you just smell better, and go around calling other people "stinky" like a fucking retard?
And addressing what little proof you do have, "body mass" has nothing to do with fat. For all you know it's all muscle heads that the surveyors picked out to tip the scales in vegan's favour, because with all the other shit vegan's spread, it's a guarantee that artificially changing the results of a survey is one of those ways.
>>726659843 You're actually retarded. "Body mass doesn't state anywhere that it means fat. If the graph said "body fat" instead maybe I'd pay attention to your shit arguements a bit more. As it stands, you have said nothing to counteract my reasoning of "surveying muscle heads for their biased survey"
>>726660033 Don't worry. All these weedhead hippies believe is humans are the only animals aggressive by nature.
ANIMAL - Otter ( Enhydra lutris )
To get food in the winter, males abduct pups of their own species and only release them in exchange for all the food hunted by the mothers. Another cruel habit is raping baby seals as a form of sexual exercise. The otters even kill the drowned victim and continue the abuse for up to a week, with the body already decomposing.
Just read this article (translated to english) from Mundo Estranho magazine (Strange World). Probably the weedheads will say the article was bought by corporations and it's completely bullshit. Because animals are always innocent saints.
>>726660635 We'll f we're going by that comparison, (different person by the way) than not only are we actually 4% off from being genetically identical to chimps, but we're only 10% off of a domestic house cat. Do you want to shit in a box and eat your own shit? Didn't think so.
>>726660668 >all these weedhead hippies imagine applying this ad hom on vegans, especially when the characters are quite diverse. The only thing that can be surely pinpointed is that the political leanings are majority liberal, but there are conservative vegans as well. It is NOT a LEFT/RIGHT issue.
>>726660901 >47 >eating meat my whole life >avoided fast food as much as possible >basically the only meat I eat is fresh caught fish, whatever high quality steak I can find, and chicken >only thing on this list I've ever suffered from is acne when I was a teenager. Everyone has acne as a teenager.
My girlfriend wanted to be vegan, I told her that I would not be with her if she wanted to be in this fucking cult. (I also gave lots of reasons why veganism is bullshit and one big circle jerk cult) She quit the bullshit and now just wants fresh food. This is great. Fuck vegans, they're fucking stupid. Try pretending to be vegan and watch all people pre judge you and then when you say otherwise they get mad as fuck just because of that. Regardless of how good of a person you are. It's a mental illness. You're fucking sick if you're "vegan" just shut the fuck up already. God damn
Cassava is classified as either sweet or bitter. Like other roots and tubers, both bitter and sweet varieties of cassava contain antinutritional factors and toxins, with the bitter varieties containing much larger amounts. It must be properly prepared before consumption, as improper preparation of cassava can leave enough residual cyanide to cause acute cyanide intoxication, goiters, and even ataxia, partial paralysis, or death. The more toxic varieties of cassava are a fall-back resource (a "food security crop") in times of famine or food insecurity in some places. Farmers often prefer the bitter varieties because they deter pests, animals, and thieves.
>>726661386 >I've done (risky activity) my whole life and I don't have (disease/disability) Yes, because you've been more fortunate than others. Eating meat does not cause heart disease, but it increases the RISK. These risky foods have lead to the top 5 killers in the USA today.
It is like you're telling me you've smoked cigarettes your whole life and you're perfectly fine now, yeah sure! aside from some plaque in your lungs.
>Everyone has acne as a teenager.
This is what you've been lead to believe, similar to the whole "it's okay to be disabled". It's not true. Hormonal imbalances are one of the causes that lead to acne, guess what causes hormonal imbalances? Hormonal foods, animal products.
>>726661464 haha you are so mad kid, you remember that one football player that didnt listen to his doctor and insisted on not changing his diet(he was told to stop eating animal based product). He died in the nest 5 years or so, sad! btw vegan food does not suck at all, maybe you should stop relying on your mom to cook all your meals and star learning for yourself.
>>726661835 One of the causes. There are plenty of others. And sure, I may have got lucky, but I still hold the belief that it's so unlikely for me not to have any of these if your claims are true, that it isn't meat causing these problems, it's the additives. I should have mentioned this earlier, but I do catch most of my own meat, apart from the steaks. The meat I was eating was a fresh as it could be, and I believe that's why I got so "lucky"
Besides, meat tastes damn tasty. I'd rather enjoy every meal and lost 10 years than eat less than optimal tasting food, but of course that's all down to opinion.
>>726662075 >compares meat to tobbacco Are you the Retard level Boss?
I live on the Meditteranean, have hunted hares, boars and deer since childhood. Fish in both salt and fresh water. We mainly subsist on game, chicken, seafood, seasoning and veggies. I ate kale before America knew kale existed.
All of my grandparents reached late 80's and nobody had heart or brain issues. They all smoked and drank to boot.
Just because they pump hormones in your food doesn't mean all food of that type is bad. Instead of investing in whole foods and overpriced seeds, visit a quality butcher once in your life. Or pick up a rifle. There's not many feelings on par with preparing a meal you killed.
>>726661865 Lol you are just like all the other vegan fucks. You don't know shit about me or my background. I'm chinese and guess what, in China we don't give a fuck about your modern popular cult trends. "If it moves, it's food". Close minded fucks like you live in some sort of bubble where only these 50 or so past years are relevant. I doubt vegan food will "beat" authentic food ever. Everyone that disagrees with you vegans is somehow ignorant and stupid, that makes you ignorant yourself. Why not stop judging others? I really feel that vegans have some identity crisis and have no purpose in life and thus resort to this shit lifestyle and they HAVE to shill it or always make it "their" unique thing. Fuck you lol eat some steak, you'll be happy
the secret to a long life is... *drum roll* the right genes. all my past relatives lived well into their 80's that's very decent for Americans born between 1920 and 1930(s) the average life expectancy had been 60ish and they ate the same fatty, salty, high cholesterol shit that's on the shelves today.
>inb4 they would have lived to 100 via a vegan diet
I'm changing my diet from 50% meat to 30% and eventually 20% with mostly fish. Just because I want to. But it's not going to stop me from hitting up a Whataburger or going out with friends to devour a burrito.
OP is either mid-tier troll or insecure and chooses to validate opinion by subjective validation. Puritist, elitist cancer.
Honestly, there's nothing like a smoke after a hearty meal.
I know it's killing me, but at least I reserve my judgement towards others. I won't think less of you unless you start to attack my life choices because they don't conform to your subjective worldview.
I like meat, I like alcohol, I like tobbacco. They are my 'moments'; the little things.
If quinoa and kale is yours, more power to you, but don't forcefully shove those ideals down my throat and then detest me if I refuse to comply.
>>726662634 >compares meat to tobacco the risks of meat are LETHAL If you get cancer from carcinogenic meat, you will DIE. If you get heart disease from meat, you will DIE. These two ways of dying are VERY common in the USA right now, and they have been proven to be caused by consumption of meat.
>incoming anecdotal evidence Yes, and my grandparents are almost 90 years old and they both smoke cigarettes, so cigarettes are optimal for longevity? No, because we can agree on that. Just because someone can dodge a bullet, doesn't mean that the bullet is worth being shot at you.
Risks associated with animal products take out thousands of people annually and you're telling me how you fuck up some innocent animals for fun
I can tell you why you're being logically inconsistent if you're not okay with treating humans in the same fashion.
I know it's killing me, but at least I reserve my judgement towards others. I won't think less of you unless you start to attack my life choices because they don't conform to your subjective worldview.
>>726663646 Why is it any business of yours who I pay for animals to be raped, abused, and killed? Are you THAT full of yourself that you think anyone will respond with anything other than mockery or contempt? It's not like the wellbeing of innocent sentient creatures is being decimated for my taste pleasure!
Yeah I'm full of myself when the guy in front of me is saying it's a personal choice of HIS that sentient creatures have a life of suffering
>>726665060 not sure about this tbh we have them 'stunned' cos slaughtermen have to do alot fast. slice the throat properly and death is if not instant then very quick aaaand none of the stress hormones released in to the bloodstream of the animal when it is stunned, can taint the meat. i eat meat obv
>>726664005 I propose that we immediately begin killing and eating all vegans. You're as dumb as the animals we currently eat. You eat the same food as the animals we currently eat and you probably smell as bad as the animals we currently eat.
The benefits are 1)more yummy meat. 2) a possible small decrease in the consumption of animals and 3)no more having to listen to vegans pass and moan ad nauseum.
>>726654966 What's wrong? Your fruit farm not doing well faggot? Your neighbours cattle farm doing better than yours so you try to put him out of business with bullshit on the net? You're right in thinking the only way to compete with him is to take meat off the market though. I just don't understand why you fruits would kill and eat your own kind. Stop being a faggot faggot.
Without meat the human cannot survive, retarded faggots like you think they can get protein with other aliments, but you retarded fucks have forgotten that those aliments dont give you almot any protein, kill yourself Ophaggot
>>726658610 OP baited the fuck out of this thread but...
This is the only person that speaks truth (i.e do whatever the fuck you want) and then immediately gets shit on. Nigga no one cares if you're a vegan or not, you aren't gonna change anyone's mind AND no one gives a shit about you or what you choose to shove down your throat. All you fuck faces are gonna die some day
The fact is, meat is poison. It has been linked to countless deaths and is the single largest killer in this country, with an estimated body count at least three times higher than tobacco use.
Moreover, there is, unfortunately a lot of non-meat products that are toxic. I am of course referring to saturated fats and sugars. These can do just as much damage if consumed regularly.
The worst part is that with pesticides and GMO, there is really no guarantee that what you're eating is safe.
There is a man that was found to have unique enzymes in his feces that could allow the average person to digest these compounds without becoming ill. You have to suck a log of shit from Andy Sixx's asshole. It's the first step toward maintaining digestive health.
>>726668924 >futility Congrats you turned vegan. You saved 0 fucking animals in your life time and now what? Oh yeah you die. Just like every other fucker on the planet. That's the fucking truth you're just a bitch boy that's afraid to die.
>blue pill Nigga there ain't nothing wrong with someone choosing to eat whatever they want. Even cannibalism is seen in the wilderness with other animals.
>finally So even if you manage to make every human a vegan what now? Are you going to force wolves and lions to eat plants as well?
>>726667759 so the problem isn't meat or eating meat, its just the way humans process it. meat consumption doesnt need to be stopped, just the way animals are treated and the way products are processed
Are you fucking retarded? Our entire digestive tract has been optimized for eating prepared foods. The fact that we became smart enough to cut up and cook our food allowed evolution to cut down our digestive system and focus more on enhancing our brain power since we could get that much more nutrition in readily digestible forms.
If we hadn't improved the overall nutrition density of our food and had to rely on a food source similar to what cows and sheep ate we'd have never built up the excess calories necessary to make the extra calorie consumption of our brains worth it. Also, there is an almost universal correlation between animals with stereoscopic vision and the consumption of meat.
>>726669722 >You saved 0 fucking animals in your life time I've also lead others to become vegan too. supply and demand, read up on it
>So even if you manage to make every human a vegan what now? we all eat healthier and less sentient creatures get fucked up, I'd rather my grandmother made it to this near dream state of humanity, and not have alzheimers from eating bacon and eggs every morning.
>>726668141 I could say the same thing back to you anon, what makes a human a guilty sentient creature? If you want to argue that we enslave animals for food that can be found in many other animals as well, even ants. Ants enslave other workers of nests after invading, they drug sapsucking bugs like scale to pacify them, then they relocate them in mass to a plant where the bug then gorges itself on food under the ants protection, and when a sapsucking bug gorges itself on too much food it basically poops it out prematurely making honeydew, which the ants eat. The plant dies and the bugs become completely overnourished, sounds familiar to human characteristics right?
So to assume a human is guilty by existence is rather harsh. Vegans are not wholly innocent, plants show just as much intelligence, independence and sentience as any other animal, so to base your diet on them is actually racist.
As for diet, there is no natural ideal diet, humans are hunter/gatherer. So yes their diet is primarily fruits vegetables herbs nuts and occasionally meat. Meat was the sustaining factor in our species survival because it not only contributed to the ecosystem and overbreeding, it also helped the hunters develop larger muscles to hunt, and it gave us a more predatory view in the eyes of other animals, so there was less chance of us being hunted. A lioness doesn't hunt crocodiles except for rare situations.
>>726670006 >supply and demand, read up on it and yet meat production has only increased and any that isnt bought isnt a problem, because it just gets frozen and repurposed. >alzheimers from eating bacon and eggs I dont know what causes or doesnt cause alzheimers, dont tell me what does, but whats wrong with eating egg? Nothing even gets killed
>>726670231 lol the whole system is illogical. we should all have free solar energy, but if energy were free we wouldnt be in the shackles of big oil and big money so yep. same with the meat industry too. on the torture though, yea, my grandpa once explained to me how when he was 12 he had a job at a cattle ranch, where one duty was to lop off the balls of bulls with basically an elastic band, so do with that information as you will
There are people in this very thread that have asked me for proof that animals are sentient. I have to stress this because it is the primary factor in why they deserve non-exploitation.
>It's lost it's punch I imagine if you understand that animals are sentient, there really isn't a punch in the first place LOL
>Faggot. wow you seem a little angry, is it the hormonal foods?
>Humans are driven by conflict and violence. Actually, I'd argue all sentient creatures are driven by a will to survive. This goes into philosophy.
>Your utopia will never happen. There will always be a necessary evil which is dying animals or dying people, it's understood in veganism. It's not about perfection, it's about abandoning the unnecessary as much as practically possible.
but nice appeal to futility
the same mindset was had during the times of slavery or those in the holocaust, but great moments of immorality have been conquered before, and maybe this can be the next step.
>>726670342 Animals drowning in the rain is a wives tale, please fine me a reputable source of a bird drowning in the rain. I'm not with the vegans but you're just parroting idiocy. Chickens have part in an ecosystem where they are native, they are not worthless. You can also find many reputable sources proving chickens (along with all birds) are actually very smart, haven't you ever seen chickens doing maths?
>>726670006 Just because you and 8 of your nigger friends stop eating meat doesn't mean the market is going to fucking topple, no matter if you are eating the meat or not THEY ARE STILL DYING! The meat provided to you is already dead if anything you are making their already death go in vein due to your need to feel special. Fucking kill yourself you shit eating bitch.
>>726670828 >Stop saying appeal, it doesn't make you sound smart.
Logical fallacies are quite large in number for anyone attempting to justify animal product consumption, it's important to point out just how many you can find. I'm not trying to sound smart, but people really need to understand what's wrong with their argument.
>girlfriend just came home >hooked up the deepfryer >made her some tyson nuggies after her hard day >she loves them >loves me brb guys gonna go bang my hot meat eating girlfriend in the shower. Ill restock on tyson brand nuggies in the morning.
>>726670006 >we all eat healthier and less sentient creatures get fucked up
Yeah, and the world becomes overpopulated with previously managed animals then we all become sick from lack of protein since some people can't afford supplements for your dumbass way of life. Humans are omnivores there is NOTHING you can do about this you stupid cunt.
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>>726670087 >what makes a human a guilty sentient creature? It's important to establish this yourself, but I hold the position that once you negatively impact the wellbeing of another sentient creature, you are guilty so long as you have a working moral compass.
If you do not see anything wrong with me paying a thug to kill your sentient human friend, then it is consistent for you to not see anything wrong with paying the market for meat products.
>begins to talk about creatures that while sentient, do not have a moral compass
>So to assume a human is guilty by existence is rather harsh only guilty if doing an unnecessary action that negatively impacts the wellbeing of other sentient creatures whilst knowing they are doing so. It's not within a 9 year olds control if they eat meat, they are ignorant.
>Vegans are not wholly innocent yes, vegans commit the necessary evils that allow them to live a practical life, such as purchasing produce, which kills small rodents. It's far less damage.
>appeal to nature
Omivores and carnivores are not susceptible to atherosclerosis. We do not have to consume meat today. This argument was used by Bearing and he was decimated.
Guys, what if vegans are actually the reptilians ruling the governments, trying to convert us so they can keep all the delicious meats to their carnivorous selves? EAT MORE MEAT, OVERTHROW THE REPTILIAN OVERLORDS.
>>726672151 >which kills small rodents. It's far less damage.
Who are you to say which animals are more important than others? Unless you're a hypocrite but nooo, that can't possibly be the case.
>vegans commit the necessary evils that allow them to live a practical life
Killing for food in general is a necessary evil, why is one necessary evil worse than the other if they are both necessary, considering humans need protein, which comes from meat to survive and be healthy.
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