>>726624432 1. Thats Social Democracy 2. Well, your not getting their money. You are just reviving compensation for what you produce in a democratic workplace 3. Who said anything about that 4. But they are. 5.Thats the goal. A Classless, Stateless society.
>>726624762 Thats the american education system for you
>>726624938 how would you know? there has never been a truly communist country in the world, or socialist countries. plus, any country that tries to gets huge embargos which destroy their economy, like cuba, venezuela..
>>726625432 but you couldn't under communism, because the means of production are considered a human right. just like the air you breathe, everyone has a right to it, and everyone has the right to share in the surplus of goods created by a large society. really, the idea is that everyone's basic needs can be taken care of, and that very few people would need to work. this releases people from the shackles of wage labor to enjoy life how they would really like to. whether it be the arts, science, etc.
>>726625958 Part of the whole reason their is unemployment is to maintain a reserve workforce for just that reason. When workers become satisfied with the conditions and either take action, or leave, there will be plenty of unemployed willing to work in those same horrid conditions
Voluntarily? It's not like the worker has a choice to do otherwise. It's just slavery with a new name.
>>726626514 ofc not, the existence of communism depends on people being not-selfish. and not a few, it depends on all people in a country being selfless. that's why they wanted to establish the dictatorial regime, to force people to stop being selfish through mass propaganda and education. then the dictatorship, which should have consisted of selfless content folk would become obsolet and more or less dissolve. simplified.
>>726627179 >>726627261 >>726627373 So you want me to spend money on a factory that I earn nothing from? Communism seems to be for lazy motherfuckers that don't want to work. What's the point of working harder if you won't get payed more?
>>726627618 welll, not human nature per se. nature of the masses. being a communist at heart doesn't mean that I am brainless, there is what IS, there is what CAN BE and then there's what SHOULD BE >>726627774 we get it, you're a selfish prick. you will post the same post over and over again >but what's in it for ME?! and from now on I'll stop telling you nothing but fairness for everyone.
So I am a slave. I don't control my own destiney, the cheka or MiniCom or whatever thing you have in this fantasy decides my fate. So much better than le Capitalist Mr. Pig.
Fuck you, I am a proud Kulak. When you're cornered in the alley and the bully's are going to take your sweet roll, you fucking stamp on that bitch a die fighting. Kulaks are based and fuck you and fuck Marx.
>>726628210 All of this bullshit "diversity" and "multiculturalism" is a giant front to keep wages and people poor as possible. It's the ploy of the Leftist capitalist to import foreign workers to keep people oppressed and to oppose nationalism. Illegal immigrants and most immigrants are imported scabs to depress wages.
>>726629124 This is why we need to bring back shame and honor. It wouldn't matter to the scientist that he was paid the same as a bus driver, he would work hard to make an impact for the good of society, and if he slacked off people would jeer him and tell him he was shirking his responsibilities. He would be ashamed and work harder to regain his honor.
>>726624885 >5.Thats the fantasy. A Classless, Stateless society.
>Thats the american education system for you
The (((Common Core))) education system you mean?
>>726624762 >mfw the boss pays me for my labor >mfw without my boss I wouldn't be paid at all
>>726624693 Pic related. You're literally fucking retards. How can you possibly claim to be anti-establishment (I mean, you can claim that now because there's someone in office who you don't agree with, but I mean before that) while you fight for the exact same things the establishment fight for?
>tfw you're literally foot soldiers of the bourgeois, who has never worked a day in his life, but attack the working class Trump supporters who are literally proles because you're a Communist
I would insult you if you had the self awareness to understand it.
>>726628720 how does having your basic needs met equate to having no free will?
>>726628838 >cuck you know it's funny how the alt-right refers to anyone who may be a leftist as a "cuck." you know what that really means? it means a guy who lets his girl hook up with other guys, while he watches or some shit.
and i say, so what? this falls back on some type of pseudo-masculinity shit where it's somehow not manly to be a swinger, or embrace sexuality. what if your wife wanted you to hook up with other girls while she watched, then the tables are turned right? where is the word for that? furthermore, it really does seem like the right is obsessed with rape, because that's always one of the common accusations of people they don't like >they're raping our women! sound familiar?
>>726628957 you can do other things to improve society other then work, like scientific research
>>726629124 this is a twisted perspective. you're all benefitting equally. this is also per work place, not the whole country.
>>726629571 >implying homicide would be acceptable in an anarchist society
>>726624762 >The "le Capitalist steal from you when he profits from your labor!" Meme
Then why don't you just compete? This arguement is just bullshit and comes down to greed. It is more efficient for you to work for a wage than to directly compete against the Boss, that's mutualism.
How the fuck is it your logical conclusion to murder him and take his business because he's taking some of the profits from your labor because his structures and programs are more effective than the structures and programs you'd create and compete against him?
>>726629685 I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion.
What I got from this thread is that communism doesn't work unless it is in a really small scale, for example inside your family. Unless you find out a way to brainwash people. I wouldn't want to live in a communist society since you won't get rewarded for working harder than the majority.
>>726626132 Nigger are you serious right now? You're on the fucking internet, you aren't going to starve. You're an edgey fucking little shit in America or god forbid, euroland. Go to the nearest fucking church and say you are hungry and get food. It'll be good for you you fucking proud piece of shit.
>>726630159 >why anyone would want to contribute to a communist society Because it's advancing the human race, and you benefit from that as well because you're a human. How is that a bad thing? Don't you just want people to be happy and enjoy their lives?
>rather than just try to get by with the bare minimum If that's what you want to do, go for it.
>>726629544 What are you even trying to say? I don't blame the scab, fuck he's just trying to live, but they really do start to infest countries like vermin. You start to get shit like La Raza and other Marxist groups that need to be exterminated. The worst thing that could happen is if they could vote. They owe their masters everything for being in their host country and can whipped into any direction you want them to. Look at London.
>>726630376 >Unless you find out a way to brainwash people exactolucci. if being selfless is being brainwashed, I'm all for brainwashing. >you won't get rewarded for working harder than the majority don't need to work harder. each to his own abilities. you're just supposed to give as much as you can, not any more than you can spare, though.
Fucking communist chicks is so easy bro, you can get massive poon just by saying you want to create a stateless society. These dumb niggers actually beleive it too! Never met anyone as gullible as a commie. Will post pics for true capitalists
>>726630159 If you can systematically indoctrinate and brainwash huge masses of people to risk their lives fighting wars for people who will never know their name under the guise of "patriotically serving your country", you can also ask them to be a little more compassionate towards their fellow workers.
>>726631418 >steal from the productive who said anything about theft? theft is wrong. I'm talking about your abilities. some people are smarter than others, they can become doctors and scientists, others simply cannot. and no one forces them to, they work to their abilities as factory workers and farmers or tourist guides etc. >i will give nothing but you do give, you give away your work. no one wants your personal stuff or your earned money, all "we the people" want is your workforce. not in exchange for pay (well, that too, in a way) but for all the community gives you. you cannot provide and produce EVERYTHING by yourself
>>726631453 you simply don't trigger me, dude. sorry if you wanted another reaction than hmpf.
Because I can earn my own bread. I don't need you to force me into your fake tribe at gun point to help all these other people I don't care about. My family is my Commune, that's all I need. The state can fuck off, I'm not supporting your shitty ideology.
When you come in and say "No comrade Kulak, you must give all of that grain to the commune! You may not just keep passing down your farm to your children or your brother's children. It is not fair to those who have no family or do not think ahead. Come now, give me that grain" dont be surprised when I burn it. A man chooses, a slave obeys.
>>726627618 "...The Communists turn their attention chiefly to Germany, because that country is on the eve of a bourgeois revolution that is bound to be carried out under more advanced conditions of European civilisation and with a much more developed proletariat than that of England was in the seventeenth, and France in the eighteenth century, and because the bourgeois revolution in Germany will be but the prelude to an immediately following proletarian revolution. In short, the Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement against the existing social and political order of things. In all these movements, they bring to the front, as the leading question in each, the property question, no matter what its degree of development at the time. Finally, they labour everywhere for the union and agreement of the democratic parties of all countries. The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. Working Men of All Countries, Unite!
WAIT SHIT GUYS SCRATCH ALL THAT I FORGOT ABOUT HUMAN NATURE!"
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