Ex boyfriend was in it. I don't know much, because he "wasn't allowed to talk about it." It's freaky shit, you almost basically have to be invited and that's after they do research on you. After he started the Masonry thing, he started looking over his shoulder and not talking to me anymore about things. It's a cult. -100/10 Would strongly not recommended
Yeah it seems really cool and I'm sure you have to have some level of intelligence to enter, but entry isn't so simple, you have a paper me you need 5 applications from other Mason's vouching for you basically but it does seem like a cool thing and I think if I took the time I would enjoy it
I made it to 3rd degree, "master mason" is the title, before I enlisted in the Marines and went away. At my job school in the Marines, in 1999 and before the hardest block of training, the teacher walked up, shook my hand, and asked if I was a traveling man. I said I was heading east, and returned the handshake the right way. Passed the block with a 98 percent, which I totally didn't earn myself. Masons are everywhere and they quite possibly know who is who. Just saying.
>>724868253 This is about right. I live in a Mason town, they built the town hall, the library, some of the apartment buildings, the churches, the whole shibang. Visited the lodge on main street a few times and each time it felt like I walked into some extra shy version of Mad Men.
>>724868048 Its supposed to be a BIG secret, but basically the bottom line of the Freemason is that they practice magic.Its not some crazy ass harry Potter shit. Its very similar to pagan/wicken rituals. The higher ups just keep it a secret because when the Freemason was originated, magic use was extremely taboo in western culture. Also the keep it a secret to weed out all the faggots who would fuck it all up.
>>724869395 I'm the Anon from 061 above. Pretty true. It's a bunch of older guys, mostly hiding from their wives. But, they are also the kind of older guys who generally look out for younger guys that remind them of themselves and will apparently make phone calls to other lodges to take care of a brother, of so inclined.
>>724869840 wait so i have something kinda relevant to this.
i drove up and drove to a city 1000s miles away just out of the blue and was staying in a homeless shelter. one day all the blacks etc there are kinda swarming around me asking me questions because i didn't really fit the bill for someone that stayed there - they weren't intimidating me or anything more just perplexed out how i wound up there and wtf my deal was?
anyways this mason guy comes he's an older guy (gave me kinda weird vibes) he had a masonic ring on, was driving a really nice mercedes sports car, kinda pulled me aside and told me if i ever needed anything like a laundry, food, yada showed me some pictures of his place on his phone. i thoguht hell no this guy is like a serial killer or something i didn't want anything to do with him, after he left many at the shelter said to stay leary of him that he has been there talking to 'young guys before' i stayed in that city for a few years would see him around from time to time and he'd always approach me ask me how i was, always allude to the fact that he could help me with stuff (always seemed like he wanted me to go to this place) never gave me money or anything.
was he trying to help? recurit me? or serial killer?
>>724868048 had a coworker who was one. went to an open house they had once and saw the inside of the temple. nothing scary or freaky. they focus a lot on self improvement. the building aspect and symbolism is really big....learning how to build yourself into a better person. and masons watch out for other masons.
>>724870535 eh idk? he had this really nice masonic ring always had it on it stood out a lot. the dude just gave me weird vibes but i'm a paranoid to begin with. for instance he said he was hired by the city to do 'crowd analysis' at major events basically he was trained to pick out threats in a crowd and do further investigating or something.
i got more serial killer vibes from him then anything like i said he always seemed to want me to go to his place 'laundry, food, shower' shit like that. maybe he was just trying to help but either way i was too cautious to accept his help and yes i think he was a high high ranking mason and also he was RICH as a motherfucker.
another young homeless guy (really interesting guy btw) actually went with him cruising around and spending the day i said 'you actually went with that guy?' he didn't seem to get weird vibes from him or anything but the dude was more of a psychopathic type so i don't think he would ever really worry about his safety around strangers or something.
>>724870254 Tons of brothers are...brothers. My honest intuition is he was trying to help you. A big part of Masonry, for those of us who took it seriously, is to help the community. He probably assumed showing up to the homeless shelter with some "bling" might help inspire people to the message. He'd probably done well for himself, with a little help in terms of networking from his brothers, and was showing off what could be done if an anon towed the line and worked hard within that system.
I haven't kept up with Masonry, but I will still be cremated with my apron when I die, because I pledged to do so.
There are a lot of important and powerful people in the freemasons.
Even if you do not get in with them directly you will be friends with people who know them and they will put in a good word for you.
I was trying to get a job that was a shot in the dark but still worth it because the pay was amazing. Was flat out told i did not get said job. was bummed about it and was talking with buddy who was in the freemasons and said he would talk to some guy who knew the guy who ran the company. that fucking night at like 11pm i got a call from the guy who ran the fucking company with a job offer saying he "heard good things about me".
again. NETWORKING. Its a very important thing to do and the freemasons is a damn good place to do it. get in as soon as you can.
>>724868552 This is bullshit. Not you, but the info you have is wrong. The only way to join is to ask, you cannot be invited in. The reality is that it is a boy scouts club but for old men. There is nothing secret about it anymore these days.
my grandfather was a grandmaster...my grandmother recently started talking about it now that she has dementia.. she even gave us the ring he had, it looks alot like that inscription. I kept trying to tell her that freemasonry was considered like super evil and conspiracy theories revolving around it but she didn't buy any of it. I asked her what my grandfather did when he was in it (remember he was a grandmaster rank 40 or something) and she said he just went to some "lodge" a lot and she never was allowed to go there with him. My mom was also freaked out about the "ring" he had left after he died and i think she sold it for a few thousand to some jeweler. I'm not making this up..i wish i was...I don't remember much about my grandfather either since he passed when I was like 7. Wish I could give anon more info.
one of my best friend was in De Molay which is supposed to be freemasonry for kids up to the age of 21 I believe. Sounds like it's just a hangout/club, and a lot of rich people and well connected people happen to be involved. But the thing about Freemasonry that makes it so special is that nobody really knows (or is supposed to know) when it started
>>724872858 it started with the building of the temple of solomon you fucking jerk. of course those master masons probably didn't imagine it would be the pedo-circle jerk pseudo-cabbalistic lusterfuck that it is today.
Ok so one of the freemason lodges in a different town of mine (fucken 1hr and 30 mins away) is offering an information session, as i said i am interested in joining. What should i do? You think this would help me get in?
>>724873232 that seems hardly the point 200 years after the fact. my question is why the revisionism? why learn about the MASONIC president Washington as "1st" and not the 8 or 9 other dudes who were holding shit down before him.
Grandfather was invited by his father, he declined, next year he asked his older brother about it and found out he had a lot of connections through it. When my grandfather wanted to get out of nyc in the twenties, his brother helped him find a perfect place upstate, helped him become a forester (he loves the woods), and gave him pretty much all the material he needed to build a house.
His brother died young in a car accident and he doesn't talk about it anymore. He's convinced himself he did it all on his own. Learned about it from mom, grandma told me his brother hung out with 'pagaan folk, but extremely good mannered.
Last time I went up to visit he showed me a sword in his attic that my grandma said was from his dad. Mom didn't know about it. I asked him about it when he showed me and he just mumbled out of it.
>>724873420 tbh i thought freemasonry started long before america was ever thought about. but that they had a big part in starting america. I never understood why washington's membership was so pronounced in that context.
>>724873339 eh he mainly was showing off his sports cars, or brand new bmw crotch rocket or some other fancy shit on his phone. he never mentioned anything about hte masons id never known had i known seen his ring the first time i interacted with him. he had it on every time i seen him in the years following too, i'm pretty sure it just kinda stayed on all the time. idk if that is poser shit or if masons actually do that?
anyways pic kinda related it was all gold no diamonds but very noticeable masonic symbol
>>724873817 okay then I have no idea where you got that "mstyerious nobody knows this or that blah blah blah"
the "big secret" is the fable of solomon's temple and the master mason who was killed by his disciples for not relaying the secrets. how you interpret the story is important because the dude was seen as somewhat of a martyr or whatever he even has a known name.. hiram abiff.. I feel like you don't know anything about masonry or even have a faggot friend who as a mason.
Masons were behind the independence movements of all countries in the Americas, from the USA to Argentina, all revolutionary leaders were masons. They basically oppose traditionalism and the Catholic church, while advocating for progressivism and freedom of speech and other enlightenment bourgeoisie values.
Shit organization, I'd much rather become a member of a Catholic order than a Mason. Of course if you are an Anglo then masonic institutions are for you since freedom and all that other bullshit are the things you bunch value in life.
>>724874303 eh i think he was legit i mean the ring was just a standard gold ring not flashy or anything just had a masonic symbol like pic. this guy was rich like had at least a couple million rich i'm pretty sure if he wanted to show off he coult buy much flashier jewelry then that.
>>724874543 The masons are for bourgeoisie values, basically classical liberalism and progressivism. You will not see Masons advocating the tradition and culture of the Catholic church, monarchism or any other type of life that is not in line with contemporary and classical liberalism. This is why they're utter trash.
>>724874590 >Sorry my info was wrong! Don't be sorry because you're not at fault. The internet has a wealth of information about the masons. Their history is more interesting imo than their current events.
>>724874792 Their history is about defeating the Catholic church and all forms of tradition. They were "enlightened" men that promoted democracy, freedom and all that other stupid bullshit American republics were founded upon. They were the revolutionaries of their era. Jacobins opposed to the old order of the world. Of course, Masons are now the old order. They won after all.
Ok so one of the freemason lodges in a different town of mine (fucken 1hr and 30 mins away) is offering an information session, as i said i am interested in joining. What should i do? You think this would help me get in?
>>724875075 Nowadays it's a place for fancy men to meet up and mingle with each other, drink bourbon and play golf. At the upper levels of the organization things get sinister, it's about power and deeply connected with high end politics and international finance. At lower levels though, it's just a place for social gatherings.
>>724875368 I'm a Latin American Catholic and a traditionalist so of course I hate those people deeply. It is speculated that child pedophilia scandals and the abdication of Pope Benedict XVI are all products of masonic influence and their infiltration of the church.
Most high end people in finance, banking, politics and industry are all freemasons.
>>724875282 That sounds literally nothing like what he made it out as. He was always worried the members were watching him, following him around, they wouldn't tell him.much about the organization before he "proved himself" -you see why I, as a girlfriend and involuntarily involved, could be worried.
>>724875506 Everything you know about the contemporary Western world was built by the masons. Concepts like "freedom" of speech, assembly, capitalism, free markets, democracy, the obsession with equality, etc. It was all built by masons.
If you are genuinely interested in defying everything the modern world stands for, read The Antichrist by Nietzsche and his critiques of mass culture and liberalism.
>>724868048 A family friend of mine is a Freemason. He has the signet ring that has been passed down through his family. He also told us about there being bunkers in the rocky mountains that the elites would escape to when shit hits the fan. He wasn't allowed to say where though.
>>724868048 I'm a second degree and I became one by applying online. http://www.freemasonnetwork.org/become-freemason Once you send in an application, you'll get a call in a couple of days to arrange a meeting.
"the path to immortality is hard and only few find it.. the rest await the great day when the wheels of the universe shall be stopped and the immortal sparks shall escape from the sheaths of substance... woe unto those who wait for they must return again, unconscious and unknowing, to the seed ground of the stars and await a new beginning"
tl;dr truth is out there and you don't have to hand over your shekels to jew pawns to receive it
>>724876005 Very American of you to try to drag everything down to an individual level. I'm referring to historical patterns, cycles and cultural and political change. Not specific freemasons. Regardless, I oppose all the values they stand for so there's bound to be confrontation in that front.
>>724876049 >contemporary Western world was built by the masons this was literally one of the first things I learned about masons. I just didn't see it as a bad thing by itself. How is this sinister? Or, what would be preferred?
>>724875634 That's because its a club. A big ass secret club where people with a lot of money (and the influence money buys) can make deals in secret without fearing anyone is going to rat them out. What happens in the lodge, stays in the lodge.
That's the only reason so many high-level businessmen and politicians are masons.
>>724876147 >>724876271 >I'm referring to historical patterns, cycles and cultural and political change. Same here. I'm not pro mason nor pro catholic, just an observer. Both of these organizations have some bad history because of bad apples at higher echelons.
>>724868048 I went to a backyard bbq party of a bunch of Freemasons as a young teenager. I can confirm they party like regular adults. They save the cult stuff for official meetings, not family get-togeathers.
>>724874373 Here in Mexico it has long be rumored that the York Rite and the Scottish Rite alternated in selecting the presidents in the early days of the country. That always struck me as far-fetched because most of the presidents were craven, grasping, selfish, and brutal. Not that I have any great love for the Masons, but those are not qualities that the Masons espouse publicly.
>>724876327 I prefer a world where the beautiful and the spiritual is priced over the economic and the material. Where communities and the cohesiveness of populations are prioritized over a forced ideas of "equality" and multiculturalism that simply do not work. You can see the monuments of the mason's influence today, it's cities like New York with its massive glass and steel buildings dedicated to offices and financial endeavors. Contrast that with the aristocratic, traditionalist past of old with its beautiful palaces, cathedrals, and a strong sense of loyalty from different levels of society between each other. The values of old have been neglected, and replaced with masonic materialism and its thrist for "progress" that may be making everyone more comfortable, but certainly not happier.
Modern masonry forced itself against the old European orders, like the monarchies and the Catholic church. Then it was challenged by Nazi Germany and then communist Russia. They've all failed to stop freemasonry.
Freemason's founded the USA. Becoming a Mason is great for networking and social connections. The ritual stuff is a lot of fun. Lots of assholes out there talking about them being demonic and shit. Reality is they have a higher level of ethics than the general public. Join and grow in the Degrees.
>>724874784 Monotheism is essentially conservative and monotheism is a necessary tenet of Masonry. On one hand, it is nice to see that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam (the three monotheistic religions) are given equal footing, but on the other hand, the requirement to believe in Bertrand Russell's flying teapot, regardless whether it spouts Latin, Hebrew, or Arabic, offends me.
>>724876991 Sounds like you prefer monarchies. That really only really works for relatively small populations though. When you have many millions of people to manage vs a few hundred, then the dynamics change dramatically.
>>724877096 that probably has something to do with the fact that Anton LaVey the author of the satanic bible and founder of the church of satanism was a follower of Aliester Crowley who was a British cultists who was rejected from Freemasonry and dabbled in O.T.O another fraternity
Aliester Crowley was cool in between the try-hard luciferian rituals and eating feces off of crackers
>>724868048 just a mens club that help out local communities nothing more my guy, alot of people will tell you weird shit goes on or gay shit or illuminati shit, its all crap, its just a dudes club where guys go to talk shit and be guys with SJW bullshit you can literally join by asking a local member to sponsor you
>>724877231 >Their ideology and history is very much some deep demonic shit. I have relatives in the higher degrees. One was at the 33rd degree Lodge that's thireen block north of the White House in DC. It is far from demonic. You learn a lot that only confirms most of the Bible and other forces that keep The Republic strong. While everyone is screaming that the Russians and CIA hacked the elections, notice no one dares mention Masonic influence.
Just like every other organization of humans. New ppl gotta give and make donations. Old guys scared of death take from the young and rape children. Same loop that's been going on since we started forming communities. My advice, find strength in solitude. Only the weak need recognition
>>724870411 highest rank in freemasonry = 33 KKK = 33 K = 11 k + k + k = 33 also why are all freemasons ugly? besides the puppets they put in the eye of the public like russell brand. i guess they have some ugly ones in the eye of the public tho like neil de grasses tyson. inb4 this thread is crawling with freemasons and get butthurt
>>724877162 That can be said for any country. If you can find a copy of Gore Vidal's "Duluth", that is very much on point. And fun to read.
The President is always a controversial choice, always an infuriating but fascinating character. His job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it. –Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
>>724872858 >But the thing about Freemasonry that makes it so special is that nobody really knows (or is supposed to know) when it started They are called Mason's as in Stone Masons. The order traces their roots back to those skill workers that could easily travel between medieval European kingdoms to build churches and castles. These skills were so rare, anyone of any social class or position could join to build these structures. From that, a guild was born that created a society of lodges for the Masons to travel between these kingdoms for them to sleep as they practiced their craft.
Unknown the to royalty of these kingdom's the Masons collected knowledge of ancient times via the royal families to build these structures. Suddenly the Mason guild masters collected ancient secrets and traditions of Rome and Greece.
Specifically, they learned and kept democracy and parliamentary procedure alive in their Lodge meetings.
By the time of the Campaigns, they become very powerful challenging the Catholic Church and the royalty of these Kingdoms. This is how the Templar Knights were born. Asshole suppressed them but they kept their traditions alive attempting to give birth to a Republic like Rome again.
This is why Washington DC is decorated in all Roman revival. In fact, the first name of Washington, DC was New Rome.
>>724878583 >A damning indictment of Masonry if I ever saw one. The type of people that hate Trump make me love the man even more. He is beating the deepstate that has been displacing Masons in the Fed for the past fifty years.
>>724878730 Once upon a time, perhaps. Hard to believe nowadays, though. It looks to be calcified mythology at this point. If any of you could put in a word for me. Freemasonry opens doors. I was a bit on edge just now but… https://youtu.be/t1bHBthJN9w
>>724879400 the requirement of masons to believe in a "higher power" is what keeps me from wanting to join. It isn't the masons that are the problem here as much as it is the religious fanatics. A lot of what you say there can be said of catholics.
>>724878730 >there is no way anyone would ever be president without being a high level mason or having the support from high level masons This is one reason why Hillary lost. The mainstream media dare not accuse Mason's of fixing elections. Suddenly a few on these media company board of directors would be told to retire or resign real quick.
>>724879400 >Mason's are known to indulge in gay orgies and are know to farm kids. Aswell they even admit to worship Lucifer. It's just a bunch of old sick freaks who should just be shot and done with already More bullshit to demonize a very ethical and moral group that leads society.
>>724880432 Treason is a matter of dates. We should be looking for something more elemental here. The Freemasons I know are ineffectual politicians, even failures professionally, so it's hard for me to see them as some invisible hand behind the great events of the world.
>>724881026 The masons you seem to know are probably lifted up by other masons unknown to you. Either that, or they have some other privilege that puts them in positions of power.
If that is your only source of reference for masons, then you should really learn some history. Abraham Lincoln was anti-mason but for very different reasons. If you want to hate masons, learn why he did first.
Once got a letter from an older gent I've been family friends with for all my life and on the back he drew an eye triangle thing like on the dollar bill kinda. I called him eventually and asked about it and he said he just did it to make me wonder. Was he truthing for just fuckin with me?
>>724881431 >lifted up by other masons unknown to you More invisible hands. That's a William of Occam no-no.
The first rule is not to employ any term of which we have not clearly explained the meaning; the second rule is never to put forward any proposition which we cannot demonstrate by truths already known. = Blaise Pascal = Pensées sur la géométrie en général
>>724868048 My grandfather is in it. You have to be invited as far as I know. I don't think it's anything like you're thinking. They do fundraisers and have a pancake breakfast once a month....it's pretty much just a hobby for old dudes.
We really don't do anything that exciting, it's like boy scouts for grown- ups but if you're legitimately interested just Google ypurblocal lodge and attend a "stated meeting" dinner; these are open to the public and you can have a look around the lodge/ask questions and what not.
your grandpa has been batting left handed homeruns for awhile if you know what i mean?
ps im a mason so i know some of the stuff that goes on at lower levels and a lot of gay orgies. masons had to have gay sex back when society stigmatized it - a lot of gays got married just to 'fit' in and hide but would always jump at the opportunity to suck some dick at a glory hole, or the masonic lodge.
>>724884447 it's not joking someone else posted in here earlier about a lot of masons being closet homosexuals. it's a 'no girls allowed' club for a reason a lot of the men their swing left handed. even i as a mason knows this.
homosexuality, bisexuality used not be tolerated at all if you were ousted as that it could hurt a lot of your prospects in life a lot of gays in prior to 2000 era actually lived a gay life in secret some even had wives to blend in even more.
>>724868048 I don't know much, but my dad said his brother (my uncle) was doing something like that once, he started it a few years before I was born. He only ever spoke to my dad about, my father told me even then he never said much. Anyway, when I was about 4-6 he just upped and left. He didn't take anything from his flat but he and his car were gone. My dad said he went off to hang out with his friend as a kid and told me the real story a few years back. I have my doubts about what my father said. I never really liked my uncle but I wonder if something darker happened to him.
This has been a great read. I actually come out of it with a greater respect for masons. My grandfather is one. It seemed just like an old man club that realized too late that did not recruit enough young people. I think I took this approach because I was secretly offended he asked my father to join and not me. My father declined and this made me secretly happy. Masons need to realize there will be hate out there because of not being invited to this secret boys club. Non masons seeing masons promoted to jobs they probably do not deserve to have is another way to stir hate in a person for a group. Also calling people who don't understand that your mental outlook on life or mental toughness is what makes reality "pigs" or "dogs" does your cause no good. I am very good at getting the most of people who work for me. Just because they don't think the way I do or don't understand it does not make them swine. On that note this is 4chan. There is swine and dogs here. Do not take it as attack on Freemasonry every time someone posts something blantently false. It is called bait. I understand you don't want the organization you care for and that is doing many good deeds slandered but this is the place where people go to push peoples buttons.
I would love to be part of the masons. They do a lot of good for the community and for their fellow man. I was just never sure how to do it. The websites were a bit confusing and such. I tried going to one of the close lodges a few times, but there seems to be no one ever there.
Also calling out a mason on 4chan for breaking the rules has you break the rules further I would think. By calling out the other anon you just told me what your two first rules are. You are right and make sense but I now know the first two rules of fight club. I have always known I can shape this reality I call life. I should be so much worse off in life but I willed myself to more. Why is this such a secret? Is there that much worry about backlash from people that don't understand?
>>724868048 A lot of people in this thread have no idea what the are talking about.
You cannot be "invited" to become a Freemason.
Contact your local lodge and obtain a "Petition For Degrees" if you would like to join. They will put out a committee on you and investigate both your character and history. About a month later, they will take a vote. In order for you to become an Entered Apprentice, the vote must be unanimous.
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