>>724700084 Evidence should be used, look at islam. Every country that proliforates the islamic faith suffers from extreme lack of social progression. They treat women inferiourly. They have bizzare and dogmatic religious practices that benifit no-body.
so in simple terms...yes some religions hold back humanity. no question about it
>>724700084 Religion doesn't hold anything/one back. It's the people that hold humanity back. Bad people use religion to suppress the people for their own gain. If I wasn't religion, they'd use a different medium.
>>724700706 You know how they ban things because someone fucks it for the rest of us? Religion should be on that list. Sure not every religious person is a nut but enough of them do horrible shit in the name of a god maybe we shouldn't have any
>>724701784 Keep in mind the Soviets were atheist, as is required for communism, and they were great at suppressing their people. Sure they made some big leaps in technology, but they were in stride with the U.S., which was, and continues to be, a predominantly Christian country.
>>724700084 yes religion does hold our planet back in countless ways that im sure other anons would be obliged in stating(im2lazy) although it's important to recognize that the western world was built on christian values, i believe we should keep these values(obviously) but also move past this prehistoric age of thinking known as religion
>>724702133 yeah That is my point jackass! Killing people removes any shred of moral high ground you can claim to have. Also christianity has become much more tolerant. The only religion that has a violent fanatic population above 2% is islam
>>724701916 The only way to stop that from happening would be to remove stupid people from the human genepool entirely which would be difficult to even do with our limited knowledge of genetics but even harder since the whole "eugenics" thing is frowned upon
>>724700084 Not just religion but any belief system where you exclude other forms of the human race in any way. Whites hating blacks, whites hating other whites, this person has something I don't so fuck em. The way I see it, you are more than willing to be primitive and adapt hate on color, faith, sex, or anything you don't like just because your mind can't handle it. Seems to me fragile minds should be killed if you want to be progressive. (Irony in a box)
>>724702133 If you actually read the new testament it doesn't say anything to support actions like that and just because someone says they're a Christian even though they've never read the fucking book and then proceeds to do something asinine in the name of God doesn't mean Christianity is responsible
>>724701916 That makes sense, but then people would just find something else to be nutty about. Like there could be the great Apple crusade where all Microsoft users finally snap, and go off to fight the great war against the Apple oppressors. Maybe a poor example, but people just can't live in peace because someone will always find something exploit and use it to take power...which is typically done by keeping people stupid and angry.
>>724702871 I actually don't like pol I've just been living near a lot of niggers and spics over the past few years and don't understand why we tolerate their bullshit so much as a society, this is coming from someone who comes from a predominantly white area and had to move around a lot and spent most of my life having quite the opposite opinion and hating people who think like I think now
>>724702663 The Muslim terrorist problem is just a huge scale Columbine shooting. All of the Muslim countries keep on having other countries run in and kill their families, people watching the kids, parents, friends, all get slaughtered by these people who have only tried to kill them to take their shit. Of course they've snapped. Wouldn't you? Religion is just the most convenient way to justify it.
>>724703685 >>724703771 Whites gave us Mormonism, and Asians gave us the plague. I'd say peanut butter shaving cream is just a bit better than those things...though, I haven't actually ever seen peanut butter shaving cream
>>724704007 Pace maker, the idea of lazic eye surgery, video game consoles with interchangeable cartridges (so thank a black man if you love home video game consoles, pace maker module (many Honkies who have it should be kissing black ass) there are many you fags don't know. Also Google search you uncultured swines.
>>724700084 It's wide spread, every group of people, keeps people together, some it makes them think about morality, every nation, every single country their is a belief system, why all of us, why everyone ? obviously something beyond death, we live in an intelligent environment, our environment is alive and watching, no matter how silent and calm it may be, time only exists because we die, a sign can take billions of years
>>724702548 Sadly, people seem to get their shit all twisted over anything. Sex. Money. Religion. Driving. Education. You name it, someone's probably murdered, stolen, and cheated for it.
This guy is exactly right. It's not the institutions fault it's fucked up. It's the people behind the institution. Sort of like the gun doesn't go on it's own murderous rampage. There's a person behind it. I think spirituality is very important. Strive to be the selfless good that every religion should embody.
>>724705208 And then when people do start following the same religion, they realize it's not quite for them and they make their own sect, so then even the people of the same religion begin to war against each other. It's just a shit show, man.
>>724700084 Yup, any form of misinformation that is so widespread hurts a society. It not only gives extremists the "go" on suicide bombing by making them believe they have holy permission, but even in less extreme forms, it allows people to have a child-like outlook on the world and encourages them to think less rationally. It is important to realize the situation humans are in on this earth, and when half the population thinks "hurr, god will just take care of it", this is a recipe for disaster. God will not prevent global warming, god will not forgive all of your sins just because you said sorry to a priest in a wooden booth, god will not right all of your wrongs. This is a fundamental part of believing in god, and i think it's a harmful way to view the world.
>>724702042 You should listen to some Sam Harris debates on morality. he says it better than i can, but in summary: Atheism is not a belief system. There are no words for a lack of belief in unicorns, fairy tales etc. So a society founded in atheism only goes wrong when there are other things operating. There were political reasons and motives for the soviets suppressing their people. It wasn't done in the name of atheism, unlike the crusades, spanish inquisition that were explicitly executed in the name of a religion. And don't bring up hitler please...."Got Mitt Uns", AKA "God With Us" could be found on nazi soldiers belt buckles.
>>724702750 Nothing gives ultimate permission like the delusion of a deity with infinite credibility. This is the difference between saying "John S. Whatshisname told me to" and "God told me to". Tough to convince someone that GOD is wrong, and that idea becomes yet even more detrimental when the guy on "god's" side is brandishing a chest strapped with bombs and pronouncing his love for Allah.
>>724707091 Oh no, I totally get that, and that was actually my point. What I meant was that regardless of whether or not religion is present, people will always find a way to take advantage, and suppress the general population. Meaning that society is typically suppressed by the people, not religion, so the problem is elsewhere. I just used the soviets as an example because this trend continued even when religion wasn't a factor.
>>724707728 That's true, but that's just because that's who they've given their power to. People can treat really anything as a god, and if they do, they can do terrible things for it. The problem is the religion or god they're doing it for, it's the human being telling them that this is what their god wants them to do.
>>724708147 Interesting, i mostly agree with you. Although, i would have to disagree because of that fact that most holy books (the popular ones atleast) are actually sprinkled with atrocious morals and values. Even if there wasn't a corrupt human twisting the word of god to their advantage, the books themselves aren't much better. If everyone was a proper christian, muslim, jew etc. then religion would still be twisted at it's origins. I think they're beautiful pieces of literature and should be read like Shakespeare and other great writers of history, but the morals that are represented within them should most certainly not be followed by even the most unbiased pupil.
>>724708881 That's definitely true, you can find a lot of pretty shady stuff in those books. But a lot of those things make sense when taken in context with what the people of the culture are going though at that time, and those shady things are meant to be kept in check with the sometimes contradicting morals the book teaches. Such as how the Quran states (I'm paraphrasing) that it's alright to pretend to be a non-believer to kill the enemies of Islam, if it truly benefits Islam as a whole. This is one of those things that terrorist leaders quote to get people to blow themselves up, and it sounds super shady. In reality; though, it's no different than a spy, like James Bond. That ideology, most likely, was only meant for people invading and hurting and killing them, so that could have a chance to win while severely out numbered, but not meant to be done to innocent people who are not threatening their land and people. This was also a very large driver in the American revolution, and also most revolutions.
>>724700278 Social progression could have been Hitler, and let's mention the fact that Jesus is mentioned in the Quran to come in the second coming, so if their is some holy war they will protect the Jews and Christians, and just look at Ethiopia compared to Dubai where it's all about business, maybe your talking about the poor Muslim countries, it's not Islam, it's just called being poor
Created at a time shortly before kings, imagine trying to come to a civil agreement with all the little towns and settlements? The people who took control of situations and became kings and shit took advantage of it and used it as a political tool to just easily win over people "why is there famine!? Aren't you the king!" >I dunno, god did it, sacrifice someone and it'll be happy.
In today's world tho, science has destroyed religion and been replaced with politics. We are seeing a massive growing pain right now since the 50's with the whole "LEFT vrs RIGHT". Before it would be Religion vrs Religion, or heathen vrs religion, or King vrs religion, etc, etc.
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