>gunfight >You hear gunshots. >Sometimes they whistle by. >maybe they're in the building >open fire in general direction >ctrl v for 2 - 3 minutes >shooting slows down. >shooting stops >yea... maybe we killed them?
>>724085310 During the firefight it was mechanical. Kind of along the lines of what they say as pure reflex but you are in control. That asshat is shooting at you so you fuck him. No emotions, it's as menial as hitting the send button on an email for an office worker.
1 hours later. Holy shit that dudes chest is blown open from getting hit in the back as a round hit him as he spiraled from the first hit. So fucking rad. Did you fucking see that??
6 hours later. Holy shit I killed a guy. How do I tell my girlfriend? Will she think it's cool? What about my parents? Am I a true patriot? Why does it not feel like in the movies?
1 day later: fuck it another patrol, be ready for more of his buddies.
1 year later: fuck you and your stupid problems you weeb. Everything you say does not compare to what's going on in the sandbox.
10 years later: holy shit I took a life. What if he was quicker than me? What if the roles were reversed? What if his country invaded mine, took every opportunity I had away, and some faceless soldier shot me because I wanted my way of life back? Did that guy have parents? Kids? A wife? What the fuck did I do? What the fuck was I doing? What the fuck were we doing there? Why did I think it was so much fun?
I don't tell anyone about it. Most people I meet know I was in the army but I'd rather tell them I was a fucking remf rather than tell them about 3 tours in two shithole countries where I fucked shit up... And liked it.
>most of the time at least 300-400 metres away. >never see what you're shooting at >sometimes your eye will see something moving from on building to the next. > shooting stops and a bunch of empty magazines are on the ground and you're wondering who reloaded your weapon for you.
>>724086356 >>724087042 >>724087348 not an army vet but all these sound like how after WWII the military realized that many soldiers would not shoot directly at a person because they didn;t want to kill someone so during Vietnam they trained to shoot in the general direction to have higher numbers of kills and diminish the phycological aspect of killing someone. sounds a lot like what's going on here
>>724088436 Some of these mother fuckers take pot shots at you and your guys, so firing in the general direction also keeps them down while you figure out exactly where they're at. The first thing that's taught is to return fire, second is to seek cover.
I try not to think about it. I was a shooter, so a lot of laying in one place, shitting my pants, trying to not be noticed, fire one or two rounds, stay hidden, leave. I intentionally did my best to not pay attention to faces. Luckily usually you're far enough away that you don't. I feel for the guys who had to get up close and personal, stepping over body's. I only had to do that occasionally and it was the worst part. Hard not to look longer than you should. Remembering now feels kinda like remembering something in a movie, something that I witnessed but wasn't me. That's how I cope anyway.
>>724088701 well yeah it's a job, you just go out and do what you're supposed to do, but the whole "being in danger for corporate interests" edge lord excuse is stupid. Just say you don't wanna join, or better yet just don't say anything
A friend of mine (no greentext, on phone). Be army rangers. Sneak around lasing targets. Not supposed to lase targets with women, children, prisoners, ect. Is murder. Enemy knows this, so every target has innocent lives as shield. Kill by the thousands. Biggest fear is friendly fire while sweeping a target of oppertunity. Go on leave back home. Drop kids off at school. See kids on playground. Think blow it up. Go awol, brig, dishonorable discharge. Dude came home a totally different person.
Firefights give a adrenaline rush pretty much to the cellular level of your body which is pretty much the best high of your life.... This is pretty much great for the 3 to 5 minutes a fire fight usually lasts then you are left coming down from a amazing high with nothing to really show for it...
>>724088682 >>724088901 We didn't have those stupid umpire vests back then. It had metal plates in the front and back and was heavy as fuck. Two guys wore cups and swore by them. I just hoped nothing bad would happen.
>>724085997 >whats it like? >Oh I certainly dont want to find out first hand, my wifes bull would never allow it, why, who would eat his nigger cum out of her pussy if I was out being an actual man? The scandal!
>>724089731 they're so fucking retarded lmao, i swapped mine out for a basic plate carrier and just shoved the plates into it. worked the same way. we had them during our last few weeks of basic training and holy fuck middle of july? fucking sucked
>>724085310 Horrifying. You fall back on training, always. Your ears ring, not from the gunfire but from adrenaline. Sometimes things go into slow motion, infuriating you because you think you're not moving quick enough.
When it's over, I always puke. Then I have to piss real bad, and a couple times I had a diamond hard erection.
I was in the British Army moving a convoy in Iraq, I was the front land rover blocking the traffic in Basra city. While i was out on the ground a young man around his 20's was watching me with an AK, he never done anything just stood there. After all the convoy passed i shit him square in the chest ran over to him and used his finger on his own trigger to fire off 5 rounds.
Everyone reported it back saying they heard the 5 rounds first then a single shot. shit was so cash.
>>724089265 At the time I "pissed lightning and shat thunder" as they say. I was in the prime of my life, total testosterone sausage party and we psyched each other up with stories of shit like that. Adrenaline really kicked in to the point where I had tunnel vision and I guess I mistook it as fun. Fight or flight? I had nowhere to go but down thought the port and into the screaming vehicle commanders rage. I didn't want to look like a coward or let my buddies down so I held that switch down and fucked shit up. When everyone goes crazy and congratulates you of course you think it's a good time. I grew up on video games just like everyone else. Get that kill, get that sweet reward. Only later did I realize how fucked up it was, and how fucked up it was that I thought I enjoyed it.
>>724088436 >not an army vet but all these sound like how after WWII the military realized that many soldiers would not shoot directly at a person because they didn;t want to kill someone so during Vietnam they trained to shoot in the general direction to have higher numbers of kills and diminish the phycological aspect of killing someone. sounds a lot like what's going on here this is a complex issue you bring up but it's less about soldiers not wanting to kill someone and being trained to "just shoot in that direction" and more about the advances in weapons technology and good training.
Most soldiers in WWII had semi auto rifles with small clips, some had thompson's and BAR, but the thompson was expensive and rarely issued and the BAR had stupid recoil and a 20 round magazine.
By Vietnam the magazines were larger and the m16 was introduced, along with helicopters giving improved logistics and thus more rounds for the soldier when they didn't have them. So, suppressive fire is no longer limited to the squad MG, everyone can do it.
This leads to a lot more rounds expended per kill but also a more confident solider and a more impactful offensive force against entrenched enemies.
Reality of combat is you rarely see someone and just shoot them like in video games, more often you take fire from a direction and return fire in that direction (building, alley, w/e) Fire stops or slows, you are doing a good job. Pretty much exactly what lots of people in thread are saying.
>>724090305 I dunno man. Like I said I don't think about it often. Bad dreams sometimes but usually it's a dream where I'm out there laying in the sand, checking the scope, and just wanting to be home. The actual shots never come but it's an anxious dream.
My best memory of it was that once, for my birthday my parents sent me jerky for my birthday. I used to love deer jerky and my parents new it. I never had it often at home because I never knew any hunters. My dad was firmly anti-gun. But for my birthday on that tour my dad had earlier got a gun, took some courses, hunted his first deer and butchered it himself and sent me a bunch of deer jerky he made for me. Ive never cried so hard in my life. I rationed that shit out. I had just finished it off and ended up killing someone that day, about an hour after that last piece. Can't eat deer anymore.
>>724089731 >We didn't have those stupid umpire vests back then My dad tells me a story about how horrifying the vests in Vietnam were because they only increased the amount of shrapnel you took and didn't really protect you from shit.
Guys.. I love you all. I'm so sorry you had to go through this. I'm a total opposite of you, at least, that's what I thought, I looked at you as.. Animals. I judged 'soldiers' heck... I hated you all. Whoever OP is, thanks for giving people a chance to speak out, and thank you all WONDERFUL people, who have been wronged, even those of you who won't admit it, and still find it 'cool' just so you don't deal with emotions... Or.. Idk. I'm not judging everyone, I'm grateful I got a chance take a peek inside your minds, and hearts. You're not weak, nor are you brave. It takes a strong man to take a life and defend what you thought was right, at the time, and it is ok to realise, that taking a human life is not right under any circumstances later. Even getting erections is a normal response to adrenaline rush, and it's an automatic reaction, response which you cannot control, and there's nothing wrong with you. It just means you're human, and you got scared, and it's ok. Every thought, to justify a murder which you did not actually want to commit, is ok, as long as you know deep inside, that it is not ok. You don't have to 'admit' anything to anyone nor do you have to explain yourself. It happened, and it's time to move on. I love you all :*
>>724091124 I don't wanna tell my stories man. The guys I tried to talk to don't want to talk either. It happened. It was real. I just kinda feel numb about it. Honestly online is the only place I feel comfortable even putting any effort to remembering.
>>724091910 OP here. that's fine bro. I know that what I was asking would be a horrible thing to ask someone in person but I just wanted to throw it out there out of curiosity and give a place to talk for anyone that wants to. Honestly the real talk that has been going on in here has been really eye opening
>>724091937 I'm the last guy you linked. Can't speak for anyone else but I don't think I was cut out for it mentally. I thought I was. I made it through training. And before I got my first notch I handled it fairly well.
At least for me I knew about all the waiting, the stress, the sleepless nights. I knew but it didn't prepare me for what it was like to actually see the first guy fall. The stress didn't hit until then. Now I'll be going through my day and just think "there could be a guy in that building over there with me in his sight. The tables could be flipped. And this time I'd be the one with a huge hole in my chest and no clue what the fuck happened.
>>724092499 you need to talk to a combat vet. psychologist. Don't put it off mate.
The trouble you are having is because of guilt, at least that's what I was told, and it was true.
You basically gave a stereotypical "what if the tables were turned" response. That's the wrong way to think about it. If you hadn't been there, he'd of shot one of your mates or planted a bomb or some shit. You saved the lives of the people around you, you didn't just kill someone because you were told to.
>i like our legislature >i like our government >i like our politicians >i like our congress >i like our voting system >i like our president >i like our laws >i have confidence in our courts and legal system >i like our bureaucracy Does anyone actually like our government that much? Because I don't really trust our government, Congress is a bunch of fat fucks who live elite lives and back stab each other and sell out to corporations and don't have anyone else's interests in mind, I don't like the spying and big brother shit, and we have way too many dumb, illegible, irrational laws mostly made up by religious fags. >i would like to enforce these laws >including on people that are not part of our country >i think that if a big enough group of people come together and make an agreement and rules, it makes it justifiable and morally correct to go overseas and kill other human beings (don't get me wrong, I love dead muslims) >and I don't mind that the driving force behind all of this is money instead of logic and rationality >and I also don't mind that money is basically just a ticket to pussy, in our female controlled society
>>724093260 I know that countries without governments, even if its made up of fat elitist bastard spawn, are much better to live in that countries without them. Or countries with actual dictatorships, like russia or n. korea. I know that living here I don't have to worry about my family getting mortared, or ethnically cleansed, and there's a pretty solid chance they wont die of severe water or food poisoning too. I know out of all the shitty places there are in the world, and there ARE many, I am a stupid lucky bastard for being born here. Where I have my family who's fucked up but still OK, amazing friends, and loved many women. When our government, slimy as they are, ask the people to pick up a weapon, travel to the other side of the planet, and do/see horrible things that civilized people have the luxery of never having to see, I say I'll fucking do it. It sure as shit isn't going to be my mother or father, not my wonderful friends, and certainly not the beautiful woman. I'm going to fucking do that.
Look if you didn't serve you wont' get it. And fuck, many who do serve repent and resent and regret it. So not even ALL who serve understand it. But it happens, people do it, voluntarily. No you're not obligated to feel sorry for them. But no that doesn't then mean you can talk any shit.
>>724094274 op here. This an open forum. anyone that wants to talk can and anyone that doesn't don't have to. Some of the stuff in here is absolutely heartbreaking but it still someone that wanted to tell their story and I want to hear it
Maybe one of you ever shot someone....and that's a big fucking maybe. Anyone have an idea as to how many people have deployed anywhere, and what tiny percentage actually see any form of action at all? Give me a fucking break. Some of you are worse than the Reserve asshole who made it to Kuwait as a laundry specialist.
>>724094618 Why fight sand niggers though? You know that the real threat to your mother, aunts, wife, sister, and daughters is jamal's hi point and tyrone's rampant, Neanderthal pre-evolutionary raging hormones and they're going to break in and BLACK everything that you own or love, including liberating your TV.
Why not fight local niggers or other shit skin degenerates, the real threat to our society, instead of killing some Muslims thousands of miles away because they were threatening Kike City and our supply of cheap gas?
>>724095371 Maybe the fact that we have a 235:1 KD ratio in the middle east (mostly due to bombing lol, only americans get trials) and we've had 5,000 deaths which means over a million dead sand niggers have been killed by edgy, socially inept, violent youth who are exactly the type of people to post here? In fact, I have no idea how many soldiers we've cycled through the middle east, but i'd be willing to bet that the average is more than one kill per poster.
>>724095450 >>724095450 Because Tyrone's hormones and Jamal's Hi-point are not a mass casualty producing weapons. Jamal and Tyrone aren't smart enough to coordinate anything newsworthy, to include their own attire. Jamal and Tyrone will eventually end up in a prison somewhere for the rest of their insignificant lives. The other guys....well, a good chunk are very educated; they can make really large coordinated messes; are obviously willing to close the thousands of miles of distance to make a painful point to those they feel as though they don't agree with.
>>724087214 IN all seriousness I've been shot at twice (general direction but close) and one time while I was paintballing in this huge fight I caught one to the neck. And when the pain dissipated I sat there thinking about what it might be like if it was real and it hit me it would be a terrifying painful moment for like 2 minutes. Especially since I was actually gasping for air and writhing on the ground in pain.
>Hello >Hello >Hello >My ultimate is charging! (0%) >My ultimate is charging! (0%) >I want to hug you like big fuzzy Siberian Bear >Don't get caught with your beard in the letterbox >5, 4, 3, 2, 1 >Trapped in a bear trap. WTF? >Die immediately
>>724085310 I was absolutely scared shitless my first time. I lost the ability to hear, had tunnel vision; was shaking. I gripped the handle as tight as I could...sweat beaded on my forehead and I tried to swallow...my mouth was so dry.....then it happened... a turd came out. My parents congratulated me on my first potty adventure!
>>724096705 I love the Marines and my MOS >get paid to shoot at towel heads >get paid to see the world >get paid to work out and get ripped >awesome healthcare >free college >staying single and being smart with my money
I was a Delta Force MARSOC Green Beret on SEAL Team 6, 75th Ranger Battalion. Out of all my days performing covert BlackOps, one of the most harrowing days was when I was sent in to assassinate President Obama and replace him with a clone. I personally liked him as a person, but for reasons I cannot discuss, it had to be done.
My IT job literally gives me this, minus shooting towel heads. >Paid holiday so I can go see wherever the fuck I want. >Free gym at the office that isn't shit-tier >Private medical cover thrown in for ever employee at company >I went to college when I was college age anyways at no cost to myself >Own my own home to bring bitches back to at the weekend >Little potential of being turned into Swiss cheese or losing a limb at my job
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