>>723997958 retarded, life requires a atmosphere, smaller worlds have no atmosphere so no life on them. Heavier worlds with stronger gravity retain atmosphere. Most planets bigger than earth. we're light weights who can barely leave earth, alien alphas with huge worlds might be cucked by gravity.
>we take set theory to be the go-to foundation of mathematics >high level physics deals with large categories (not sets) >sometimes even models spacetime using category-valued stacks >monoidal categories are used all the time in advanced level quantum mechanics >functorial quantum field theory works without set theory >renormalization and regularization actually work for some reason >people are using algebraic geometry for physics
And how did this happen obviously D had people working with him not Against him. There is no scenario where I come out on top. The game is only revealed once I've lost. Or there is nothing just me freaking out. I got free lsd at least.
I think a good indicator of consciousness is understanding (not necessarily fear) of impermanence. To recognize its existence a being must also imagine its nonexistence. Almost like survival instincts.
>>723999120 There is no "third" option, there are infinite many other options. > infinite universes "before", "after", "beside" our own > some religion is right, there is a god or multiple gods that created > this universe is just a dream of a giant turtle > [make your own]
>>723999021 The only way to tell that what you see is a bug is by knowing what the expected behaviour of the program is. The universe is simulated at the level of elementary particles, bugs would be most likely to show up there. It would be hard to trace how these bugs would affect the macroscopic world, and we'd probably just see them as particularly bizarre rules. Even if neutrons occasionally violated the law of conservation of mass and disappeared, physicists wouldn't cry out "The world is wrong!" They'd figure out when and why this stuff happens.
Each bit of daylight you see has been travelling through space for eight minutes.
Starlight has been travelling through space for years before hitting your eye.
Our neighbour galaxy Andromeda is 2.7 million light years away. You can see it without a telescope in a rural night sky. Its light left the galaxy when there was no species homo sapiens. All these years that light travelled through empty space while hominids evolved, and now here I am, catching these photos on my retina.
>>723996553 Scientists can now consistently cause astral projection in the lab. They do this by hooking people up to a VR headset and then feeding them an image from a position located over their own shoulder. Instant out-of-body experience
It turns out that this occurs because the reality where we live -- the symbolic representation created by the mind from sensory perception, memories, experience, and expectation -- can be moved anywhere. We generally position our point-of-view inside our heads since we have the most sensory information about this spot, but it's not actually necessary. You can move your point-of-view anywhere you like in relation to your body. The problem is, your brain wallpapers over spots where you have no sensory data with a best-guess. The farther away from your body your point-of-view travels, the less information you have, until eventually your brain is simply making up everything. This is why astral projection usually results in trippy, psychedelic imagery.
>>724000531 There's a lot of misunderstanding about what scientists mean when they talk about a simulation. It doesn't necessarily mean that we're in the Matrix, but that the nature of the Universe is a two-dimensional informational matrix which is expressed as a simulation of higher dimensions, just as the matrix of information on your hard drive can be used to create a 3d simulation of Skyrim.
>>724000682 The specific experiment I read about was in a dead-tree edition of SciAm, but here's a link to an article which links to a bunch of different scientific studies on astral projection: http://sploid.gizmodo.com/scientists-unlock-mystery-of-woman-who-sees-herself-out-1538196076
>>723999334 Regardless. You don't have to win if you don't play, concern yourself with something else, like life, reality and if youre already playing and you don't know you're effectively not playing untill you do.
In summation D is full of logical fallacies akin to a pseudo intellectuall high on bought dopamine.
>>724000865 I agree that dimensions are something that we will never fully understand. Could be 11 of them. We experience 4. But i'm proposing that the entire universe is simulated down to 1 dimension. planks are the pixels.
The ring worlds from Halo would have to spin 44,004 m/s in order to have the same gravity on earth from just acceleration alone. If the initial equation of a=v^2r is wrong someone let me know because I am unsure about that.
No one can actually explain how wheat came to be and a whole bunch of other things we take for granted >people are tribal hunter gatherers that move about and live off the land and have a lifestyle that is extremely harsh and most die extremely young >one day cave man decides that he wants to eat the seeds of grass >grass seeds are about the size of pepper flakes >he picks the largest pepper flake sized grass seeds and then takes the time to clear land and plant seeds every year >takes largest seeds and repeats every year of his life >selective breeding takes an incredible amount of time so he gets his kids and their kids and so one for an insane amount of time to keep picking and planting tiny seeds and selecting the largest so one day they will be big enough to actually eat >all of this while hunting and gathering and trying to survive off the land and having to move about when food supply's dry up >grass seeds also go through a genetic change in this process magically so that people's stomachs can actually digest them also unlike all other grass seeds >after a few thousand years of keeping all the generations focused on a goal that expends energy with no return they profit with the creation of wheat Make of that what you will Also cheetahs are so close genetically that you can skin graft from any one to another and they are a mixture of cats and dogs. They can get feline and canine diseases and they have two different types of hair depending on the colour and the feet of dogs
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>>724001520 Ya creators of the universe will never let us test if we were in a simulated universe. They would need to simulate strings that operate at levels that being inside the simulation could never test. The best we can do make mathematical equation for everything in the universe. (Which a computer program would do). and we still cant understand why certain equations explain large scale but not quantum scale.
its just an idea. we could never prove it. just live life but dont worry too much. either way nothing matters. good night everyone
>>724000865 I think that some cosmologists discuss the black-hole projection model of the universe, but others discuss the notion that the universe is a software construct made within a computing device.
Much like the notion that we may find it more entertaining to create a matryoshka brain around the sun rather then explore the furthest stars, especially considering how slow interstellar travel is likely to be.
>>724001677 >Caveman needs fuel for fire >After burning the grass with seeds he is sick of the seeds popping it scares him >Makes an effort to remove them before burning or while collecting >After a thousand years of nature we have wheat
There is a theory that the sun is actually a black hole. The light we see is the light that has fallen into its gravity well over millennia and an effect of relativity. When we see sun spot emissions they burst from the sun and you can see a dark hole where they came from revealing the darkness below for a period as the light escapes from the gravity. One would think an opening deeper into the nuclear fusion driven sun would reveal a hotter/brighter sight instead of a cooler darker center
>>724001677 You're only account for passive evolution. With the discovery of epigenetics, neo-Lamarckian active evolution has moved back into mainstream science. Environmental pressure can switch genetic triggers on and off, meaning there are forces at work which don't just involve stochastic trial and error.
And that's leaving aside Sheldrake's hypothetical morphogenetic field which would encode much of what we regard as life in the noosphere.
>>724002266 Penrose's quantum brain model holds that consciousness is a standing probability wave expressed through the quantum superposition of proteins lining the microtubules in the neurons of the brain, and that it is emergent from any sufficiently complex self-referential system. The stock market, for example, shows classic signs of consciousness.
>>724002266 It's a combination of components Mortality, perception, and intelligence (memory) If consciousness is considered a spectrum then different combinations result in various levels of understanding.
>>724002566 I don't know whether it's alive, but Penrose's quantum brain model proposes that any sufficiently complex self-referential (that is, chaotic) system will become conscious. That this is what consciousness means: a complex, stochastic, self-referential system. The implication is that the stock market, stars, galaxies, or even sufficiently complex formulae may be conscious.
>>724002323 It doesn't make sense. Previous genetic patterns that can be triggered and expressed would revert back to a smaller seed like wild grasses and I don't think grass would need epigenetic memory in the same way the chickens in the experiment to prove genetic memory would. It is a very strange thought to actually consider the process of turning grass to wheat
>>724003034 I'd probably be half starved and worried about my next meal and predators in the dark. I'd make fire every day to keep warm and fend off the monsters in the night and my understanding of fire from daily use would astound people in the future thousands of years later that no longer need fire to survive daily and maybe go camping a few times per year at best
>>724002884 As I mentioned, it may be a combination of factors, including information from the morphogenetic field. The idea is that all life is connected through this field, and that the brain is really a sort of antenna for picking up a universal consciousness; damage to the brain causes damage to the ability to pick up the signal. If Sheldrake is right, every cell in every living thing is plugged into a single informational field -- the noosphere or the collective unconscious -- which helps to regulate the forms which life takes.
It sounds like pseudo-science, but Sheldrake is a respect (though controversial) biologist. Even skeptics and hard-core materialists like Dawkins say that Sheldrake's model is testable and therefore scientific, but that there's no middle ground; either Sheldrake is right and it's the greatest discovery in the history of science, or it's complete nonsense. Only time and future experimentation with technology which doesn't yet exist will be able to tell us for sure.
>>724003198 No. Not unless you willfully fuck up the chemistry by doing other things like not eating, being unhealthy and doing drugs you will never die directly from heartbreak, but the psychosis that leads you into oncoming traffic may kill you.
>>724003260 “My brain is only a receiver, in the Universe there is a core from which we obtain knowledge, strength and inspiration. I have not penetrated into the secrets of this core, but I know that it exists.”
To all, you simulation fags. How about we expand the theory a bit. Not only is the entire universe a simulation but the simulation began 5 seconds ago. All your memories and the history of mankind are false memories.
Ofcoarse simulation "theory"is the dumbest shit ever since it literally has no arguments for it and even if you find an argument the actual proof is impossible to find by definition
>>724003260 That's an interesting theory and I'm defiantly not opposed to it. The thing with grasses is we can't digest wild ones. It's a pretty remarkable set of events to lead to people domesticating plants and even animals and their changes. Also considering the life lived by prehistoric people and compacting it to current hunter gatherers it is almost impossible to explain
>>724003946 Have you ever read David Gerrold's _The Man Who Folded Himself_? That's actually the plot of the whole novel. A man gets a time machine and uses it to engage in a massive, time-spanning gay orgy with himself at every age. Eventually he changes history to make himself female so that he can have massive lesbian orgies with himself too. Especially the first time he seduces himself, the real question is whether this is sex or a very elaborate form of masturbation.
(David Gerrold, incidentally, is the same author who wrote the Star Trek episode The Trouble with Tribbles. Go figure.)
>>724003946 A clone is not a perfect copy of you. And even if it was you're 2 different beings having a different experience and different reference point for reality. So you're in fact 2 different people. Which means you need consent.
>>724000776 Art is simply the expression of feelings. We usually call art an object or a concept created by an artist for the sole purpose of expressing feelings. You can find art in totally not artsy things tho. I've actually been thinking about this definition for a long time.
>>723999673 Along similar lines, a photon created in the center of our sun takes approximately 100,000 years to reach the sun's edge.
Also unlike what you probably heard in school, we would not flash freeze if the sun disappeared, we would actually still be able to survive for a few days off the heat coming from the core of the planet.
Also we can never truly discount God (as in intelligent design of the universe) because our scientific understanding is still ongoing and thus somewhat flawed. Even science cannot claim to know everything, but unlike religion, at least it is trying.
>>724004872 He probably has a bigger chance to agree. Still not 100% certain since you've been split for a certain time. Small changes in perspective add up to a butterfly effect kinda thing. This is ofcoarse assuming you were after the split perfectly identical. Which is nigh impossible.
>>724004906 impossible. yourself from 3 days ago would probably kill the assailant (your future self) OR your future self would have to kill your older self to save yourself from the overprotective dickhead. thus, a granpa paradox is created, effectively resetting the simulated universe into a world a few seconds before 3 days ago and you will pass the experience as a simple spooky dejavu
>>724005043 our scientific advance still cannot find God because we are still primitive to God's standard. imagine you are playing hide and seek with a baby, who would won?
>>724005191 If god is so advanced that we can't comprehend him by definition, why even bother thinking about it? What if there was an even more advanced god? What if there are an infinite number of gods, each incoprehensibly advanced for the one below?
The baby would win, by its limited perspective. but if we are truly searching for God, which is in theory an actual thing, presumed to be all-knowing and infinite, by our own pre-disposed definitions, we might not even necessarily see God as he or she might exist due to our own preconceptions. The fallacy of religion is that if indeed a godlike being was truly all knowing and all powerful, why would it allow such horrors of ancient and even modern history to exist?
>>724005901 >why would it allow such horrors because He want to test us. afterall, a world without horror and conflict would be boring. if this world is too peaceful, someone like you will question the existence of God by asking why this world is too peaceful.
>>724006214 Well, we do know the core is hot, what the argument was about. A core will be able to sustain us for a while. A simple proof is the more you dig the hotter the earth gets. That's how geothermal energy works.
>>724005901 > presumed to be all-knowing and infinite, by our own pre-disposed definitions, we might not even necessarily see God as he or she might exist due to our own preconceptions
What if God were real, but we only assume God is all-knowing etc because, to our limited perception, God knows more than us? I always figure there's guys out there that understand theoretical physics and string theory and all that shit that makes the universe work. Me, I have no idea what the fuck they're on about. I can, however, make a fire with two sticks and some tinder. So are they smarter than me, or am I smarter than them? Depends entirely on your perception of 'smart'.
God may be real but is not all-knowing and is merely perceived as such because he is in comparison to us. Or something... I may have worded that badly. Hopefully the idea gets across.
I actually meant to post some text but I love those gifs. Anyone who ever smoked DMT will probably share this feeling but after you did you really question if our sober reality is the "real" (whatever that means) is. The DMT experiences are so far off reality that nothing can ever prepare you for it. It's even very hard to impossible to describe since our vocabulary developed around our reality so there often aren't words to properly describe the reality you witness on a DMT trip.
Everyone's reality is different, but some drugs change it so radically that you start questioning if what you perceive is really THE ONE reality we live in.
>>724003718 Tesla was a level 10 autist and edgelord. True he was brilliant in his way and invented real shit, but 9/10ths of the stuff he talked about was aspergers mode drivel. If he were alive today he would be right here on 4chan jacking it to ponies and traps because that's somehow crack cocaine for autists. It was only because he lived in a time without anime and the internet that his mind was forced to occupy itself with translating esoteric intellectual thought into the occasional practical application.
>>724005838 >Its impossible to know something that is impossible, you ridiculous buffoon.
Really, mr. tool? It's impossible to determine exact momentum and position of the electron in any given time. Yet, not knowing this, you can still calculate things like photoelectric effect which is directly related to said electron momentum and position...
>>724006288 How cold would the surface be, how would the spin of the earth be affected by a loss of solar gravity, how would that change in spin affect the magnetic field, what would happen to the moon?
>>724006501 life NEED UV light to exists, not to keep living. read properly you illiterate critter. those bikini bottom creatures were born somewhere else before being swept by ocean current and settled at mariana trench. btw, what makes you assume that oceanic trenches dont have UV light source? have you been there personally?
>>724006657 >Light is the absence of darkness Einstein never said that you fake media
>>724006421 Just imagine being fully immersed in something like this and not even remembering there is a word outside of this for a few minutes. That's with open and closed eyes of you dose high enough. Anything you know is gone for a moment, there is nothing but this strange world you just entered.
How can I know that the drug is making me high? Maybe it's actually changing my senses to pass everything unfiltered.
Those gifs are more like mid to high dose closed eye visuals, but the open eye visuals change your environment so much that you often don't know it's your room anymore but someting so foreign that it's just impossible to describe with our vocabulary. Maybe the world is really fucked up but the brain filters it so much that we can handle it with the conscious part of our brain.
>>724006655 Well, study physics and go figure that out. I ain't no physicist but I actually thought up an equation right now about how long we can last. >Figure out how much temperature the sun is putting out on earth. >Figure out how much energy is need to sustain life. >Figure out exactly how much hotter the eath gets when you dig deep >Multioply by radius of earth >there you have the energy input of the earth and the sun >the rest is simple equation calculating how long we can last
>>724006864 >>>724006421 (You) >Yea limitations of language >I wanna try it so bad! >I'm like this close to looking for it on the deep web
Just be careful. Like I said: /nothing/ can prepare you for DMT. Every trip I get nervous again, not knowing what's gonna happen. The trip is short but it hits within 5-15s after inhaling and your sense of time is gone. That trip can feel like an hour to you which sucks of you have a difficult experience. I once felt like I stopped breathing and kept breathing consciously like crazy. My whole vision lost all depth perception and everything was just hallucinations mixed with parts of my environment but I couldn't make out any individual objects. Felt like an eternity but was merely 10 minutes of tripping. That was just on about 40mg DMT + some harmaline (natural MAOI).
My mind was first blown when contemplating my own self-awareness. I distinctly recall as a child, walking through a department store with my mom, and suddenly realizing that I exist, and that I am able to perceive myself, and that my consciousness somehow inexplicably belongs to me. I remember becoming light-headed at the thought, and then did not feel entirely at home in my body, as if I was then too self-conscious of my own state, the way you might become uncomfortable with your own breathing or blinking when you think about having to do it. I was able to replicate this experience a handful of times while contemplating my existence before, I suppose, the novelty wore off, and I no longer found this to be an abstract concept.
>>724007200 >>>724007054 (You) >what the hell is DMT? One of the strongest hallucinogenic drugs there are. Maybe you've heard of Ayahuasca? That's basically plants that contain DMT, some herbs and a MAO inhibitor so the DMT can work orally (you usually smoke it). You can easily extract DMT yourself or but freebase DMT crystals or changa that you can smoke in a pipe or bong on the darknet.
>>724007207 Yes, it is. Still it is futile to think what will happen after you die. Just as futile about worrying about after heat death. Just as with heat death, in death there will be no after. But I still know other people will continue to exist. So I care about them. After heat death noone will exist not even super advanced aliens. Not even atoms will exist. It is literally eternal peace.
>>724007306 >>>724007054 (You) Never had salvia and I don't plan to. Seems too unpredictable and I don't like real hallucinations. From what I read and heard from others it's just too much of a fucked up drug and not worth the risk to me. I stick to LSD and LSD analogues and recently started looking into Tryptamines like 4-HO-MET and 4-AcO-DMT.
>>724007210 True dat, still those other things can be calculated too. And some can't be calculated right now. And that's okay. The claim was not that life will last for certainty for X number of days after the sun disappears. The claim was that we will have heat energy to sustain us. Ofcoarse there are other factors. >>724007299 I have actually studied physics in my chemistry major. I just don't work as a physicist. So fuck off.
Are you fucking dense? The guy is telling that life on earth can sustain FOR A SHORT WHILE without heat from the sun, because the planet itself have some internal heat reserves. And he is fucking right, you moron. Actually, if the sun IR radiation suddently drops to zero, the Earth atmosphere will be frozen an therefore lost in about 50 days. Yes, it was calculated as long ago as 1850 (when fucking Swedish king announced prize in gold for someone who determine if whole solar system is stable or not; funny thing the guy who win it stating that it's stable later discover that he was fucking wrong and want to return the gold, but the king said that he can keep it, because honesty should be also rewarded) and then re-calculated in early 60 of XX century, when some folks were fucking screaming that nuclear tests will block the heat from sun.
>>724007367 >Still it is futile to think what will happen after you die It is also futile to plan for life. Just as futile as worrying about how other people live. Just as with your own life, in the end they will only die.
>>724007425 >>>724007200 >The gateway to one of the most mysterious experiences a human being can possibly have. To a world that is at the same time bizarre and familiar. There are no words for it. Before I tried it I found it super weird that nobody wanted to or could tell me about their experiences. After trying it once I can totally relate to that. Our languages are meant to describe our reality. I honestly couldn't properly describe my DMT trips.
>>723999845 There's no such existence of pseudointellectuals if you can tell the difference between one thing or another, as simple as color or objects, that ties into your entire conciseness, and who the fuck are you to say that, insane people have their own realities and fuck when you sleep or die no one else exists
No. Evolution in itself is conflict enough. Survival of the "fittest," motherfucker. But the "tests" attributed to God in this case = tortures. Which a compassionate godlike being should NEVER need to inflict on his/her followers to insure their devotion.
>>724007706 I didn't claim to CORRECTLY explain it because I don't work with this everyday, you fucktard. I'm confident I would be able to explain it after like a year studying it. Still I can explain parts of it. Just because I can't explain the whole thing doesn't mean I'm wrong. You fail at basic logic, have fun burger flipping.
99.99 % of atoms in your body and everything around you (Earth included) was created in the core of some star that exploded and cased to exist billions of years ago. We are just piles of leftovers from nuclear fussion
>>724007642 Same here. I have a scientific background and my whole worldview is based around scepticism and facts, but DMT has reminded me that even though we know quite a lot, on a fundamental level we don't know very much. Such a bizarre experience...
>>724008169 Yeah similar story for me. I'm studying computer engineering and have always been extremely rational but after my first proper DMT trip I really questioned by view of the world and whether what I perceived all my life is even close to what's actually there.
By far the most demanding experience despite being experienced with psychedelics though.
>>723999673 If extraterrestrials on other planets develop telescopes powerful enough to see earth, they will see images of dinosaurs. Which means if they record these images, then someday humans will be able to finally know what dinosaurs truly looked like.
Let that sink in. Someday, our descendants, will literally see real dinosaurs.
>>724008201 I've had shrooms and truffles a couple of times but I don't like the body load, makes me almost couch locked whereas on drugs like LSD (at least on medium doses like 300ug I can still walk around like normal and often don't even have an elevated heart rate except for the come up.
>>724008251 Hallucinogens can trigger schizophrenia in people who are pre-disposed for it. That's not the same thing as causing it. Stress, Trauma, weed, and other factors can trigger schizophrenia too. If you have a history of schizophrenia in your family you should be careful with psychedelics for sure.
>>724008251 >>724008447 If you have a latent psychosis or a history of that in your family you should avoid drugs completely.
I've tripped 100+ times on different psychedelics and had lasting permanent changes after some trips, but only positive ones so far. Set & Setting, know what you are getting into, test your drugs and know your doses and tolerances.
Follow proper harm reduction rules and the risk of something happening is probably lower than from drinking regularly.
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