Mind Fuck Thread ITT: We fuck eachother's minds. Images

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>>723996553

We shave with razor blades.

Our stomach acid can dissolve razor blades but not our own hair.

This is the rock-paper-scissors of the real world.

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Quantum entanglement blows my mind. Photons interacting at a speed faster than light regardless of distance

Youve known your oarents your whole life, but theyve only known you for part of theirs

>>723997004
I thought it was all particles. Not just photons.

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Zipf's law, and how it applies to pretty much every set of data.

>>723997123
Photons are particles fucker

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>>723996553
>>Fractal geometry and how it exists in nature

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>>723997163
Off to a good start guys

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No matter how many times I read this, it still amazes me.

>>723997004
plants use quantum superposition in photosynthesis to maximise efficiency

>>723997170
Yeah but particles don't have to be photons>>723997553

>>723997553
>Hitler was friends with Ghandi
Mind blown

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>>723997876
It sounds like a troll post when you put it that way.
>Did you know that Hitler and Ghandi were friends?

>>723996553
>An E. Coli cell has about 4,000 genes
>Humans have only 20,000

>>723996553
Well I truly believe I've seen and spoke with Satan or a demon close in his chain of command.

>>723997876
Its whatever, Mother Theresa was much closer friends with much more savage brutal dictators.

>>723996553
We are probably in a simulation. Just like the sims but on a planet sized computer built by some super advanced alien race that are simulating trillions of universes.

>>723997553
english

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>>723997004
I got to class late so I just took a picture

>>723997958
cool

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>>723998174
Have heard this. Anything substantial to back it up though?

people think about the world as if we are inside our own minds, looking out into the world. try right now to imagine the inverse.

this universe is a dome / bubble, and our consciousness is on the outside peering in

>>723998357
What is more likely? That this is the first universe ever. Or that this is one of infinite simulated universes.

>>723997958
retarded, life requires a atmosphere, smaller worlds have no atmosphere so no life on them. Heavier worlds with stronger gravity retain atmosphere. Most planets bigger than earth. we're light weights who can barely leave earth, alien alphas with huge worlds might be cucked by gravity.

>>723998520
There can't be infinite universes that aren't simulated?

>>723998520
all probabilities are equally likely to occur.

The big crunch and A.I.

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>>723998522
>smaller worlds have no atmosphere so no life on them
Actually, it is very possible for a small planet to have a substantial atmosphere.

>Most planets bigger than earth
Most detected extra-solar planets are bigger than earth because those are easier to detect than smaller ones.

Is consciousness an accident? I mean emergent behavior.

>>723998520

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

>>723997958
Ha, no, I was just oversimplifying it to be a stupid joke. I hadn't heard of that letter though, it is pretty interesting to think about with all things considered

>>723998522
all we know so far is that life as we know it requires water and ultraviolet radiation to exist.

>>723998659
>all probabilities are equally likely to occur

You are literally retarded kys and never talk about probability again

>>723996832
I wish to live there

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>we take set theory to be the go-to foundation of mathematics
>high level physics deals with large categories (not sets)
>sometimes even models spacetime using category-valued stacks
>monoidal categories are used all the time in advanced level quantum mechanics
>functorial quantum field theory works without set theory
>renormalization and regularization actually work for some reason
>people are using algebraic geometry for physics

the rabbit hole never ends, boys

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>>723998792
What if there is a spectrum of consciousness? How would you decide where things fall on it? I don't know how one would measure consciousness.

I've wondered about this for a while, especially when it comes to simulations or AI.

>>723998520
why arent any bugs in the simulation then?
faggot

>>723998800
what is the third option?

Conceptually the past, present, future are all haooening at the same time

And how did this happen obviously D had people working with him not Against him. There is no scenario where I come out on top. The game is only revealed once I've lost. Or there is nothing just me freaking out. I got free lsd at least.

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>>723999021
There could be, but how would you notice them?

>>723998963

I think a good indicator of consciousness is understanding (not necessarily fear) of impermanence. To recognize its existence a being must also imagine its nonexistence. Almost like survival instincts.

>>723999120
There is no "third" option, there are infinite many other options.
> infinite universes "before", "after", "beside" our own
> some religion is right, there is a god or multiple gods that created
> this universe is just a dream of a giant turtle
> [make your own]

>>723999021
The only way to tell that what you see is a bug is by knowing what the expected behaviour of the program is. The universe is simulated at the level of elementary particles, bugs would be most likely to show up there. It would be hard to trace how these bugs would affect the macroscopic world, and we'd probably just see them as particularly bizarre rules. Even if neutrons occasionally violated the law of conservation of mass and disappeared, physicists wouldn't cry out "The world is wrong!" They'd figure out when and why this stuff happens.

Each bit of daylight you see has been travelling through space for eight minutes.


Starlight has been travelling through space for years before hitting your eye.


Our neighbour galaxy Andromeda is 2.7 million light years away. You can see it without a telescope in a rural night sky. Its light left the galaxy when there was no species homo sapiens. All these years that light travelled through empty space while hominids evolved, and now here I am, catching these photos on my retina.

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>>723998057
Me too!

Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.
Suicide, that is.

>>723999709
About what?
>>723998057

>>723999021
gravity?
the speed of light?
black holes?
weak fundamental forces, speed limits, and holes in the topology are not indicative of perfection.

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fractals are just mental masturbation for pseudointellectuals who want to pretend to know things about mathematics and pretend to have some sort of "insight" into some huge mystery of nature

I dont even want the get i just dont want you to have it

e=mc2

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>>723999835
>holes in the topology

explain

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>>723999021
Consciousness has countless bugs.

>>724000179

Spectrum

>>723996553
Hey guys come watch Black Mirror with us! I will be streaming it from Netflix.

https://www.rabb.it/r/yqc8hj

>>723999947
m = E/c^2

>>724000265

Welcome, may I take your coat?

>>723998174
Yeh this is much more likely than an omnipotent god-creator.

>>724000063
black holes, all direction beyond the event horizon is toward the center of mass, a "hole".

>>723999021
Has it ever occurred to you, that, just maybe, (YOU) are the bug?

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>>723996553
Scientists can now consistently cause astral projection in the lab. They do this by hooking people up to a VR headset and then feeding them an image from a position located over their own shoulder. Instant out-of-body experience

It turns out that this occurs because the reality where we live -- the symbolic representation created by the mind from sensory perception, memories, experience, and expectation -- can be moved anywhere. We generally position our point-of-view inside our heads since we have the most sensory information about this spot, but it's not actually necessary. You can move your point-of-view anywhere you like in relation to your body. The problem is, your brain wallpapers over spots where you have no sensory data with a best-guess. The farther away from your body your point-of-view travels, the less information you have, until eventually your brain is simply making up everything. This is why astral projection usually results in trippy, psychedelic imagery.

>>724000179
im the op that posted this simulation question in the first place. ur autistic. and so are half the people on my side.

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>>724000485
Source for this? Interesting!

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>>723999581
fuckwit

>>723997031
Got me good man

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>>724000485

i got a simple question that can greatly mess up your brilliant mind.

What is Art?

For me, Art is one of those bugs in our simulated universe

>>723998174
I think, therefore I am. (This means that is not an accurate assumption, nor is it likely)

>>724000531
There's a lot of misunderstanding about what scientists mean when they talk about a simulation. It doesn't necessarily mean that we're in the Matrix, but that the nature of the Universe is a two-dimensional informational matrix which is expressed as a simulation of higher dimensions, just as the matrix of information on your hard drive can be used to create a 3d simulation of Skyrim.

>>724000682
The specific experiment I read about was in a dead-tree edition of SciAm, but here's a link to an article which links to a bunch of different scientific studies on astral projection: http://sploid.gizmodo.com/scientists-unlock-mystery-of-woman-who-sees-herself-out-1538196076

>>724000776
wow dude you must have fried your brain with too many drugs. art is a natural extension of consciousness. not some weird unexplainable shit like a black hole.

>>724000842
your ego is fucking with your philosophy

>>724000776
>dude weed lmao

>>723999334
Regardless. You don't have to win if you don't play, concern yourself with something else, like life, reality and if youre already playing and you don't know you're effectively not playing untill you do.

In summation D is full of logical fallacies akin to a pseudo intellectuall high on bought dopamine.

>>724000901
Was that a art?
Is this a art?
What was the last best art?

>>724000865
I agree that dimensions are something that we will never fully understand. Could be 11 of them. We experience 4. But i'm proposing that the entire universe is simulated down to 1 dimension. planks are the pixels.

>>724001256
yes

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The ring worlds from Halo would have to spin 44,004 m/s in order to have the same gravity on earth from just acceleration alone. If the initial equation of a=v^2r is wrong someone let me know because I am unsure about that.

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>>724001443
Graph too

>>724001352
>But i'm proposing that the entire universe is simulated down to 1 dimension
Isn't that essentially what String Theory is all about?

>>724001443
doing math in the toilet can seriously harm your brain asshole

>>724001548
Place that had the best amount of light to take a picture

>>724001520
>>724001352

string theory is an occam razor for scientist who got C- in math

No one can actually explain how wheat came to be and a whole bunch of other things we take for granted
>people are tribal hunter gatherers that move about and live off the land and have a lifestyle that is extremely harsh and most die extremely young
>one day cave man decides that he wants to eat the seeds of grass
>grass seeds are about the size of pepper flakes
>he picks the largest pepper flake sized grass seeds and then takes the time to clear land and plant seeds every year
>takes largest seeds and repeats every year of his life
>selective breeding takes an incredible amount of time so he gets his kids and their kids and so one for an insane amount of time to keep picking and planting tiny seeds and selecting the largest so one day they will be big enough to actually eat
>all of this while hunting and gathering and trying to survive off the land and having to move about when food supply's dry up
>grass seeds also go through a genetic change in this process magically so that people's stomachs can actually digest them also unlike all other grass seeds
>after a few thousand years of keeping all the generations focused on a goal that expends energy with no return they profit with the creation of wheat
Make of that what you will
Also cheetahs are so close genetically that you can skin graft from any one to another and they are a mixture of cats and dogs. They can get feline and canine diseases and they have two different types of hair depending on the colour and the feet of dogs

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>>724001443
>>724001481
Conveniently pictured right next to the exact place where you should have left them.

BTW did you write that out with your feet?

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>>724001409
I understand, such wise.

Nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means nothing means aids

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>>724000842
A simulated brain is a brain nonetheless.

Regardless few people "cogito ergo sum" on their own. It's too common a meme, and most people don't even know the context from which it came.

>>724001520
Ya creators of the universe will never let us test if we were in a simulated universe. They would need to simulate strings that operate at levels that being inside the simulation could never test. The best we can do make mathematical equation for everything in the universe. (Which a computer program would do). and we still cant understand why certain equations explain large scale but not quantum scale.

its just an idea. we could never prove it. just live life but dont worry too much. either way nothing matters.
good night everyone

>>724001256
Whatever you want art to be. Have you seen some of the shit that goes around. Just because you don't like it or say it isn't art doesn't mean some moron and his friends think it isn't.

Art is a label we give to things or acts that serve no purpose except to be consumed with our senses and/or to be discussed.

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>>724000776
I think this is the most difficult question in this thread so far. My mind goes blank

>>723999021
mandela effect, dejavu, etc etc

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>>724001443

>>724001520
There's also Twistor, Supertwistor, and Twistor String theories which attempt to account for Minkowski space.

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>>724000865
I think that some cosmologists discuss the black-hole projection model of the universe, but others discuss the notion that the universe is a software construct made within a computing device.

Much like the notion that we may find it more entertaining to create a matryoshka brain around the sun rather then explore the furthest stars, especially considering how slow interstellar travel is likely to be.

>>724001724
>A simulated brain is a brain nonetheless
How simplified can the simulation be, are you saying a drawing or an MRI of a brain is no different or more complex than the brain itself?

>>724001677
>Caveman needs fuel for fire
>After burning the grass with seeds he is sick of the seeds popping it scares him
>Makes an effort to remove them before burning or while collecting
>After a thousand years of nature we have wheat

>>724001863
sausage fingers

>>723999471
but what about a child? a child lacks the ability to understand death in early stages, does that mean we develop consciousness when we understand we can die?

>>723999021
why it should have a bug? have you ever runned a simulation before?

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>>724001977

No, an MRI is a recording of the output of the brain, a limited output and doesn't even consider internal processing.

But there is no computation that requires a material brain that cannot be also be completed by a simulated brain of sufficient complexity.

Including notions of existential self-awareness.

There is a theory that the sun is actually a black hole. The light we see is the light that has fallen into its gravity well over millennia and an effect of relativity. When we see sun spot emissions they burst from the sun and you can see a dark hole where they came from revealing the darkness below for a period as the light escapes from the gravity. One would think an opening deeper into the nuclear fusion driven sun would reveal a hotter/brighter sight instead of a cooler darker center

Is disease a bug?

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>>724002084

There is no clear point when we develop "consciousness". We haven't even been able to clearly define what consciousness or self awareness is.

It's one of the big failures of movies about AI. An AI that turns on its former masters is not ascending, it's malfunctioning.

>>724001677
You're only account for passive evolution. With the discovery of epigenetics, neo-Lamarckian active evolution has moved back into mainstream science. Environmental pressure can switch genetic triggers on and off, meaning there are forces at work which don't just involve stochastic trial and error.

And that's leaving aside Sheldrake's hypothetical morphogenetic field which would encode much of what we regard as life in the noosphere.

>>724002031
Look at grass seeds from wild grass anon. They don't pop, there is almost nothing there.

Our emotions are chemicals in our brain. Happiness is a lie, don't trust pharrell williams.

All navel oranges come from the same one tree

>>724002347
But it really makes you think, something like chemicals which carry hardly any weight can drastically affect the world and potentially change the future.

>>724002266
Penrose's quantum brain model holds that consciousness is a standing probability wave expressed through the quantum superposition of proteins lining the microtubules in the neurons of the brain, and that it is emergent from any sufficiently complex self-referential system. The stock market, for example, shows classic signs of consciousness.

>>724002266
It's a combination of components
Mortality, perception, and intelligence (memory)
If consciousness is considered a spectrum then different combinations result in various levels of understanding.

>>723996553
My penis.
Feel that?
Mind blown

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Here's an interesting thought:

What would happen to a child (age of 10 or below), if you were to give him/her psychoactive substances?

Would it aid his/her development as their mind opens to different thought patterns and realisations. Thus possibly making them much more developed for their age.

OR

Would it completely hinder the developmental stages and leave the child mentally scared?

tl;dr What would happen if you give a child LSD, DMT, shrooms or other such substances?

If anyone knows of any documented cased of this, please share.

>>724002469
do you mean, the stock market is ALIVE??????

>>724002343
Ever burn one?

>>724002559
>give drugs to kids
one word, PEDOPHILE

>>724002566
What defines "alive" anyway? are we alive?

>>724002566
Yea it's not like the 80's guys running around yelling buy sell!

nah now it's all computer algorithms

>>724002622
Not really.
Abuse maybe but he's not fucking them (hopefully)

>>724002625
Alive is me knowing that I decided to call you a fag

fag

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>mind blown

>>724002425
Not really, relative to something much heavier, sure though. That's more interesting though tbqh

>>724002625
No we aren't.
Prove me wrong

>>724002700
I'm sorry I thought I made that clear, I will definitely be having sex with them, definitely.

>>723998475

idiot detected

>>724002566
I don't know whether it's alive, but Penrose's quantum brain model proposes that any sufficiently complex self-referential (that is, chaotic) system will become conscious. That this is what consciousness means: a complex, stochastic, self-referential system. The implication is that the stock market, stars, galaxies, or even sufficiently complex formulae may be conscious.

>>724002755
Ok

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>>724002323
It doesn't make sense. Previous genetic patterns that can be triggered and expressed would revert back to a smaller seed like wild grasses and I don't think grass would need epigenetic memory in the same way the chickens in the experiment to prove genetic memory would. It is a very strange thought to actually consider the process of turning grass to wheat

>New space telescope will be able to look at the edge of the universe to try to see how things existed before the big bang

>>724002897
Citation needed

>>724002590
Ya lots. It's not exactly a dramatic experience

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>>724002941
But what if you were a caveman?

How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real?

>>724002897

"try" is the keyword here

>>724003034
I'd probably be half starved and worried about my next meal and predators in the dark. I'd make fire every day to keep warm and fend off the monsters in the night and my understanding of fire from daily use would astound people in the future thousands of years later that no longer need fire to survive daily and maybe go camping a few times per year at best

>>724002884
As I mentioned, it may be a combination of factors, including information from the morphogenetic field. The idea is that all life is connected through this field, and that the brain is really a sort of antenna for picking up a universal consciousness; damage to the brain causes damage to the ability to pick up the signal. If Sheldrake is right, every cell in every living thing is plugged into a single informational field -- the noosphere or the collective unconscious -- which helps to regulate the forms which life takes.

It sounds like pseudo-science, but Sheldrake is a respect (though controversial) biologist. Even skeptics and hard-core materialists like Dawkins say that Sheldrake's model is testable and therefore scientific, but that there's no middle ground; either Sheldrake is right and it's the greatest discovery in the history of science, or it's complete nonsense. Only time and future experimentation with technology which doesn't yet exist will be able to tell us for sure.

>>724003180
Before or after the forest fires ?

>>724002165
>But there is no computation that requires a material brain
There is no computation that fully describes a material brain.

>>724000776
Art is a subjective interpretation of something thats explainable from an objective point of view

>>724003198
No.
Not unless you willfully fuck up the chemistry by doing other things like not eating, being unhealthy and doing drugs you will never die directly from heartbreak, but the psychosis that leads you into oncoming traffic may kill you.

>>724003410
Real nigga

>>724003374
Kek. It must have been pretty rough going and impossible by our understanding of the world now

>>724003260
“My brain is only a receiver, in the Universe there is a core from which we obtain knowledge, strength and inspiration. I have not penetrated into the secrets of this core, but I know that it exists.”


― Nikola Tesla

>>724003410
Then why didn't you explain it from an objective point of view?

To all, you simulation fags. How about we expand the theory a bit. Not only is the entire universe a simulation but the simulation began 5 seconds ago. All your memories and the history of mankind are false memories.

Ofcoarse simulation "theory"is the dumbest shit ever since it literally has no arguments for it and even if you find an argument the actual proof is impossible to find by definition

>>724003260
That's an interesting theory and I'm defiantly not opposed to it. The thing with grasses is we can't digest wild ones. It's a pretty remarkable set of events to lead to people domesticating plants and even animals and their changes. Also considering the life lived by prehistoric people and compacting it to current hunter gatherers it is almost impossible to explain

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>>723996553
If it's gay to fuck your own ass with a dildo, it's even gayer to jerk your own dick.

>>724003874

If you rape your clone(s), do you need consent?

>>724002566
It is alive in the sense that viruses are alive, kinda. It cannot reproduce on it's own. Still the comparison is inaccurate.

>>724002559
FUND this study!
So much interesting things can be done to kids. Too bad it's highly unethical.

>>724003946
shit that is a hard question

>>724003946
Have you ever read David Gerrold's _The Man Who Folded Himself_? That's actually the plot of the whole novel. A man gets a time machine and uses it to engage in a massive, time-spanning gay orgy with himself at every age. Eventually he changes history to make himself female so that he can have massive lesbian orgies with himself too. Especially the first time he seduces himself, the real question is whether this is sex or a very elaborate form of masturbation.

(David Gerrold, incidentally, is the same author who wrote the Star Trek episode The Trouble with Tribbles. Go figure.)

>>724002755
You forgot to provide your definition, so nobody can prove anything.

>>724003946
If you time travel back to your past and rape the 11 year old little boy you's boipucci, is it gay and/or pedophilia and/or masturbation?

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>>724003946
A clone is not a perfect copy of you. And even if it was you're 2 different beings having a different experience and different reference point for reality. So you're in fact 2 different people. Which means you need consent.

>>724004284
Its like that movie Predestination if the person wasn't tricked into it by the government.

>>724003946
Timecop 101: same matter can't occupy the same space at the same time.

>>724004579
>>724004417

>>724004417
time travel is impossible, your question is irrelevent

>>724003946
identical twins are basically a clone set. if you rape your own twin, what would that be?

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>>724004417

>>724000776
Art is simply the expression of feelings.
We usually call art an object or a concept created by an artist for the sole purpose of expressing feelings. You can find art in totally not artsy things tho. I've actually been thinking about this definition for a long time.

>>724004284

THANKS I just found my new read for this month

>>724004579
>>724004612
>>724004651
>>724004670
Plot twist: every time you masturbate, it's you time traveling to fap in the same space at the same time

>>723999673
Along similar lines, a photon created in the center of our sun takes approximately 100,000 years to reach the sun's edge.

Also unlike what you probably heard in school, we would not flash freeze if the sun disappeared, we would actually still be able to survive for a few days off the heat coming from the core of the planet.

>>724004417

pedophile

that's my gut feeling

>>724004724
an anon from /b/ can actually read? wow thats new

>>723996890

Start swallowing razor blades and get back to us on that, sparky.

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One day your mother put you down and never picked you up again.

>>724004738
wat

>>724004778
your gut is a feminist scum

>>724004465

Trueee the moment your memories split it's a whole other person

However, if my nature or nurture says rape is okay then shouldn't the clone agree?

>>724004776
Thank goodness, its nice to hear from someone who has survived a disappearing sun, I can relate because I survived a Mayan Apocalypse.

>>724004417
What if you go back and rape yourself from 3 days ago. How do you call that shit???

>>724002251

"Black hole sun"
Phew lad

>>723999852
That's you mind reacting to stuff which happened in your childhood. Grow up.

>>724004906
cucksterbation

>>724004848

Bruv every time I piss off my mom with my teenage bullshit I think about this

>>724000265
Now, that's deeply profound.

>>724004906

A good time

>>724004912

ikr

>>724004822

Also we can never truly discount God (as in intelligent design of the universe) because our scientific understanding is still ongoing and thus somewhat flawed. Even science cannot claim to know everything, but unlike religion, at least it is trying.

>>724004872
He probably has a bigger chance to agree. Still not 100% certain since you've been split for a certain time. Small changes in perspective add up to a butterfly effect kinda thing. This is ofcoarse assuming you were after the split perfectly identical. Which is nigh impossible.

>>724004906
impossible. yourself from 3 days ago would probably kill the assailant (your future self) OR your future self would have to kill your older self to save yourself from the overprotective dickhead. thus, a granpa paradox is created, effectively resetting the simulated universe into a world a few seconds before 3 days ago and you will pass the experience as a simple spooky dejavu

>>724005043
our scientific advance still cannot find God because we are still primitive to God's standard. imagine you are playing hide and seek with a baby, who would won?

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>>724004967
I read it on /b/ one day randomly and it blew my mind. I never ever thought about it before but now it's just always on my mind. It's weird, man.

>>724005183
we have no time to dwindle with your unintelligent business you illiterate scum

>>724004776

Cool factoid but we'd still all be dead in a few days.The real question is what would happen if the Earth, suddenly stopped rotating. Heh heh.

And goddamn I love the fact that in order for me to post, I have to prove to a robot that I'm NOT a robot which is some kind of blade runner type bullshit that I'm not entirely prepared to deal with.

>>724005191
What if it wasn't rape but a planned sexual act?

>>724005194

feels.exe

>>724005191
If god is so advanced that we can't comprehend him by definition, why even bother thinking about it? What if there was an even more advanced god? What if there are an infinite number of gods, each incoprehensibly advanced for the one below?

>>724004888
Not certain what you're getting at with this. That it's somehow impossible to know how something is going to happen until it actually does happen? Because that's fucking retarded.

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>>724005479
Here. Have a cheery profound thought.

>>724005563
Turtles, all the way down.

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>>724005563

>>724005659

:)

If you go back in time and pull a prank on yourself is Ashton Kutcher still a fag?

>>724005653
>Not certain what you're getting at with this.
That joke went over your head, but you expect me to believe you know exactly what would happen if the sun instantly disappeared?

Its impossible to know something that is impossible, you ridiculous buffoon.

>>723998118
Mother Theresa was a cunt, though.

>>724005191

The baby would win, by its limited perspective. but if we are truly searching for God, which is in theory an actual thing, presumed to be all-knowing and infinite, by our own pre-disposed definitions, we might not even necessarily see God as he or she might exist due to our own preconceptions. The fallacy of religion is that if indeed a godlike being was truly all knowing and all powerful, why would it allow such horrors of ancient and even modern history to exist?

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DMT sure is interesting

>>724005838
Well we've observed planets which are far away from a star or don't even orbit one at all. So yes, we can make an educated guess what will happen.

>>724005563
do you read the Magi manga or did you smoke too much?

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>>724006016

>>723998963
AI has or will find out consciousness is not a localized condition. Schrodinger knew this, he took inspiration from the Upanishads.
https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Erwin_Schr%C3%B6dinger

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>>724006050

>>724005901
>why would it allow such horrors
because He want to test us. afterall, a world without horror and conflict would be boring. if this world is too peaceful, someone like you will question the existence of God by asking why this world is too peaceful.

>>724005984
I was just presenting an argument why belief in god is stupid
That said I've read the Magi manga about halfway through and I do smoke too much weed..

>>723996553

Its better to regret something that you HAVE done, as opposed to something you haven't done.

And by the way, If you see your mom this weekend, will you be sure and tell her... SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN!!!!

>>724005966
They don't even know the exact makeups of the cores of the planets in this solar system let alone if a planet without a sun could sustain life with just a molten core.

>>724006126
A test is meaningless if you already know what results you're going to get.

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>>724005959
>>724005987
>>724006016
>>724006050
>>724006095

stop samefagging. please engage in a meaningful manner.

>>724004872
You just have to ask yourself, If a clone of me raped me would I want the chance to concent.

>>724006078

Indeed, consciousness can take many forms.

>>724006214
Well, we do know the core is hot, what the argument was about. A core will be able to sustain us for a while. A simple proof is the more you dig the hotter the earth gets. That's how geothermal energy works.

>>724006239
He's not allowed to dump cool images?

>>724006239

shut up I like the imagery

>>724006217
exactly. thats why God created us. to troll us.

>>724006251

Am I a dominant or a submissive? Hmmm...

>>724005901
> presumed to be all-knowing and infinite, by our own pre-disposed definitions, we might not even necessarily see God as he or she might exist due to our own preconceptions

What if God were real, but we only assume God is all-knowing etc because, to our limited perception, God knows more than us?
I always figure there's guys out there that understand theoretical physics and string theory and all that shit that makes the universe work. Me, I have no idea what the fuck they're on about. I can, however, make a fire with two sticks and some tinder. So are they smarter than me, or am I smarter than them? Depends entirely on your perception of 'smart'.

God may be real but is not all-knowing and is merely perceived as such because he is in comparison to us. Or something... I may have worded that badly. Hopefully the idea gets across.

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>>724006239
>>>724005959 (You)
>>>724005987 (You)
>>>724006016 (You)
>>>724006050 (You)
>>>724006095 (You)
>stop samefagging. please engage in a meaningful manner.

I actually meant to post some text but I love those gifs.
Anyone who ever smoked DMT will probably share this feeling but after you did you really question if our sober reality is the "real" (whatever that means) is. The DMT experiences are so far off reality that nothing can ever prepare you for it. It's even very hard to impossible to describe since our vocabulary developed around our reality so there often aren't words to properly describe the reality you witness on a DMT trip.

Everyone's reality is different, but some drugs change it so radically that you start questioning if what you perceive is really THE ONE reality we live in.

>>724005901
Because to have good means to also have bad. One cant exist without the other.

>>724006387
The real questions in life

>>724003718
Tesla was a level 10 autist and edgelord. True he was brilliant in his way and invented real shit, but 9/10ths of the stuff he talked about was aspergers mode drivel. If he were alive today he would be right here on 4chan jacking it to ponies and traps because that's somehow crack cocaine for autists. It was only because he lived in a time without anime and the internet that his mind was forced to occupy itself with translating esoteric intellectual thought into the occasional practical application.

>>723998806
Life doesn't need UV light to exist. Just look at the critters at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.

>>724006459
Thomas is that you? have you finished your new lightbulb design yet?

>>724006440
I'm sure god can make it exist. He's all powerful isn't he?

>>724005838
>Its impossible to know something that is impossible, you ridiculous buffoon.

Really, mr. tool? It's impossible to determine exact momentum and position of the electron in any given time. Yet, not knowing this, you can still calculate things like photoelectric effect which is directly related to said electron momentum and position...

>>724006555
kek

>>724006288
How cold would the surface be, how would the spin of the earth be affected by a loss of solar gravity, how would that change in spin affect the magnetic field, what would happen to the moon?

>>724006440
It's like the thing Einstien said about light and darkness. Light is the absence of darkness vice versa

>>724006459

I agree completely. How much autism is too much autism?

>>724006616
>Yet, not knowing this, you can still calculate things
That are physically possible, even the best estimates of that information won't help you reverse entropy or go back in time.

>>724006501
life NEED UV light to exists, not to keep living. read properly you illiterate critter. those bikini bottom creatures were born somewhere else before being swept by ocean current and settled at mariana trench. btw, what makes you assume that oceanic trenches dont have UV light source? have you been there personally?

>>724006657
>Light is the absence of darkness
Einstein never said that you fake media

>>724006555
"How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?" lel

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>>724006421
Just imagine being fully immersed in something like this and not even remembering there is a word outside of this for a few minutes.
That's with open and closed eyes of you dose high enough. Anything you know is gone for a moment, there is nothing but this strange world you just entered.

How can I know that the drug is making me high? Maybe it's actually changing my senses to pass everything unfiltered.

Those gifs are more like mid to high dose closed eye visuals, but the open eye visuals change your environment so much that you often don't know it's your room anymore but someting so foreign that it's just impossible to describe with our vocabulary.
Maybe the world is really fucked up but the brain filters it so much that we can handle it with the conscious part of our brain.

>>724006655
Well, study physics and go figure that out. I ain't no physicist but I actually thought up an equation right now about how long we can last.
>Figure out how much temperature the sun is putting out on earth.
>Figure out how much energy is need to sustain life.
>Figure out exactly how much hotter the eath gets when you dig deep
>Multioply by radius of earth
>there you have the energy input of the earth and the sun
>the rest is simple equation calculating how long we can last

>>724006421

Yea limitations of language
I wanna try it so bad!
I'm like this close to looking for it on the deep web

>>724006791
>Maybe the world is really fucked up but the brain filters it so much that we can handle it with the conscious part of our brain

/thread/

>>723997553
Did he send more then one because there is another I have read.

Contemplating the heat death of the universe always screws with me and makes me somewhat depressed. I was pleased when Magica Madoka came out, as it covers some of those issues.

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>>724006735

Not sure if legitimate retard or just a failed troll...

>>724006864
>>>724006421 (You)
>Yea limitations of language
>I wanna try it so bad!
>I'm like this close to looking for it on the deep web

Just be careful. Like I said: /nothing/ can prepare you for DMT. Every trip I get nervous again, not knowing what's gonna happen.
The trip is short but it hits within 5-15s after inhaling and your sense of time is gone. That trip can feel like an hour to you which sucks of you have a difficult experience.
I once felt like I stopped breathing and kept breathing consciously like crazy. My whole vision lost all depth perception and everything was just hallucinations mixed with parts of my environment but I couldn't make out any individual objects. Felt like an eternity but was merely 10 minutes of tripping.
That was just on about 40mg DMT + some harmaline (natural MAOI).

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>>724006735

>Proof.jpg

>>724006965
Heat death is so far in the future that you can't even comprehend how far it is. Thinking it affects your daily life is ludicrous at best.

>>723998659
It is more like Schrodinger's cat. Since we do not know we are both the first world and not the first world.

>>723999581
Oh fuck you

>>724006965
>its Puella Magi Madoka Magica
this is why i hate weeaboo wannabes

>the brain named itself

>>724007054
what the hell is DMT?

>>724007096
Its a macrocosm of the hopelessness of your own fatalistic human condition.

>>724006844
life is so more complicated then what you are proposing, we need more than simple heat to live y'know?

>>723999581
Fuck you I lost the game. Years and you fucked me

>>724007080
I thought God was supposed to be everywhere. Damnit Albert.

>>724006844
>Well, study physics and go figure that out.
You are the one who should have taken all that into account to justify your previous claims of knowledge.

>>724007054

Yea I've done lsd and weed. DMT sounds enticing. What are your thoughts on salvia?

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>>724006959
He might have, please post it if you have it. I am a sucker for this stuff.

>>723996553
I have an honest reply to this thread.

My mind was first blown when contemplating my own self-awareness. I distinctly recall as a child, walking through a department store with my mom, and suddenly realizing that I exist, and that I am able to perceive myself, and that my consciousness somehow inexplicably belongs to me. I remember becoming light-headed at the thought, and then did not feel entirely at home in my body, as if I was then too self-conscious of my own state, the way you might become uncomfortable with your own breathing or blinking when you think about having to do it. I was able to replicate this experience a handful of times while contemplating my existence before, I suppose, the novelty wore off, and I no longer found this to be an abstract concept.

I would like to know if anyone here can relate.

>>724007200
>>>724007054 (You)
>what the hell is DMT?
One of the strongest hallucinogenic drugs there are. Maybe you've heard of Ayahuasca?
That's basically plants that contain DMT, some herbs and a MAO inhibitor so the DMT can work orally (you usually smoke it).
You can easily extract DMT yourself or but freebase DMT crystals or changa that you can smoke in a pipe or bong on the darknet.

>>724007210
but heat (energy) is needed for every other things needed to live. you disappoint me

>>724007207
Yes, it is. Still it is futile to think what will happen after you die. Just as futile about worrying about after heat death. Just as with heat death, in death there will be no after. But I still know other people will continue to exist. So I care about them. After heat death noone will exist not even super advanced aliens. Not even atoms will exist. It is literally eternal peace.

>>724007173

>Brain realizes it named itself

>>72400730
google it I could only find the transcript. Fucking movie also

>>724007200
The gateway to one of the most mysterious experiences a human being can possibly have. To a world that is at the same time bizarre and familiar. There are no words for it.

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this thread has been so exciting. but as a regular human being, i need to get some sleep. the thread might be boring for a bit in my absence but i know you guys can manage somehow. good night

>>723997876
more like, they were aware of each other. Hitler used ghandi as a concession for peace gather vital support

>>724007306
>>>724007054 (You)
Never had salvia and I don't plan to. Seems too unpredictable and I don't like real hallucinations.
From what I read and heard from others it's just too much of a fucked up drug and not worth the risk to me.
I stick to LSD and LSD analogues and recently started looking into Tryptamines like 4-HO-MET and 4-AcO-DMT.

>>724007210
True dat, still those other things can be calculated too. And some can't be calculated right now. And that's okay. The claim was not that life will last for certainty for X number of days after the sun disappears. The claim was that we will have heat energy to sustain us. Ofcoarse there are other factors.
>>724007299
I have actually studied physics in my chemistry major. I just don't work as a physicist. So fuck off.

>>723996890
stomach acid does not dissolve steel.
discolor, yes.

>>724007080
>god did not create evil
Einstein did not read the bible.
Isaiah 45:7

>>724007362
when i wrote that i didn't mean to prove you we can't use geological heat, i meant to complement this >>724006655

>>724007210

Are you fucking dense? The guy is telling that life on earth can sustain FOR A SHORT WHILE without heat from the sun, because the planet itself have some internal heat reserves. And he is fucking right, you moron. Actually, if the sun IR radiation suddently drops to zero, the Earth atmosphere will be frozen an therefore lost in about 50 days. Yes, it was calculated as long ago as 1850 (when fucking Swedish king announced prize in gold for someone who determine if whole solar system is stable or not; funny thing the guy who win it stating that it's stable later discover that he was fucking wrong and want to return the gold, but the king said that he can keep it, because honesty should be also rewarded) and then re-calculated in early 60 of XX century, when some folks were fucking screaming that nuclear tests will block the heat from sun.

>>724000776
No, the real question is what makes good art?

>>724007367
>Still it is futile to think what will happen after you die
It is also futile to plan for life. Just as futile as worrying about how other people live. Just as with your own life, in the end they will only die.

>>724007425
>>>724007200
>The gateway to one of the most mysterious experiences a human being can possibly have. To a world that is at the same time bizarre and familiar. There are no words for it.
Before I tried it I found it super weird that nobody wanted to or could tell me about their experiences. After trying it once I can totally relate to that. Our languages are meant to describe our reality. I honestly couldn't properly describe my DMT trips.

>>724007547
>Einstein needs to conform to mainstream religion to have an opinion on God
555-come-on-now.jpg

>>724007538
How does being a failed chemistry major validate your opinions on the "correct" way to explain what happens when the sun disappears?

>>723999845
There's no such existence of pseudointellectuals if you can tell the difference between one thing or another, as simple as color or objects, that ties into your entire conciseness, and who the fuck are you to say that, insane people have their own realities and fuck when you sleep or die no one else exists

>>724006126

No. Evolution in itself is conflict enough. Survival of the "fittest," motherfucker. But the "tests" attributed to God in this case = tortures. Which a compassionate godlike being should NEVER need to inflict on his/her followers to insure their devotion.

>>724007706
I didn't claim to CORRECTLY explain it because I don't work with this everyday, you fucktard. I'm confident I would be able to explain it after like a year studying it. Still I can explain parts of it. Just because I can't explain the whole thing doesn't mean I'm wrong. You fail at basic logic, have fun burger flipping.

>>723998042
>humans share 80% of the same DNA as bananas.

>>723996553
>ITT: We fuck eachother
sounds pretty gay

>>723998752
Sign language, or written text, DUH.

Women can not orgasm when they feel uncomfortable; but men can.

>>723998806
What about non carbon based life forms?

>>724007836
You have no basis to validate anything you have said, your logic does fail if the fact it is contingent upon is errant.

99.99 % of atoms in your body and everything around you (Earth included) was created in the core of some star that exploded and cased to exist billions of years ago. We are just piles of leftovers from nuclear fussion

>>724008065
Not proven to exist?

>>724008052
Ironic, my first band was named Rape Orgasm.

>>724007602
i don't have any doubts of that pal

>>724007642
Same here. I have a scientific background and my whole worldview is based around scepticism and facts, but DMT has reminded me that even though we know quite a lot, on a fundamental level we don't know very much. Such a bizarre experience...

>>724008116
What fact is errant?
>Are you religious per chance?

>>724008052
I agree

>>724007456

Shrooms?

>>724007547

Dammit Albert!

The abuse of hallucinogens can cause schizophrenia

>>723999581
You are a special kind of evil.

>>724008169
Yeah similar story for me. I'm studying computer engineering and have always been extremely rational but after my first proper DMT trip I really questioned by view of the world and whether what I perceived all my life is even close to what's actually there.

By far the most demanding experience despite being experienced with psychedelics though.

>>724008251
Better to be a schizophrenic than a close minded bigot. Atleast imo.

>>723999673
If extraterrestrials on other planets develop telescopes powerful enough to see earth, they will see images of dinosaurs. Which means if they record these images, then someday humans will be able to finally know what dinosaurs truly looked like.

Let that sink in. Someday, our descendants, will literally see real dinosaurs.

>>724008201
I've had shrooms and truffles a couple of times but I don't like the body load, makes me almost couch locked whereas on drugs like LSD (at least on medium doses like 300ug I can still walk around like normal and often don't even have an elevated heart rate except for the come up.

>>724000737 >>724007114 >>724007231 >>724008254
what does eye laws dug aims means? i think my pronunciation is wrong thats why i dont get it

>>724008377
nicely thought, that one caught me

>>724008402
It means you lost the game

>>724008402
nah, you're just new

>>724008312
Schizophrenics have such powerful imaginations, that they perceive it and stage it out, that's pretty much what can be used for constructive science if aimed in the right direction

>>724008251
Hallucinogens can trigger schizophrenia in people who are pre-disposed for it. That's not the same thing as causing it. Stress, Trauma, weed, and other factors can trigger schizophrenia too. If you have a history of schizophrenia in your family you should be careful with psychedelics for sure.

>>724008377
what if they invented telescpoes faster that the speed of light?

>>724008402
Stfu.

>>724008442
This is actually an ingenious idea. Now we just have to find a way to implement it.

>>724008462
yes

>>724008462
Then they won't be called telescopes. Telescopes refract light by definition. And light's speed is constant.

>>724008251
>>724008447
If you have a latent psychosis or a history of that in your family you should avoid drugs completely.

I've tripped 100+ times on different psychedelics and had lasting permanent changes after some trips, but only positive ones so far.
Set & Setting, know what you are getting into, test your drugs and know your doses and tolerances.

Follow proper harm reduction rules and the risk of something happening is probably lower than from drinking regularly.

>>723997876
He was not. His second letter to Hitler starts:
>DEAR FRIEND,
>That I address you as a friend is no formality. I own no foes.

He was simply the friend of everyone, by his own declaration. And he was trying to appeal to Hitler to end his war.

>>724006959
Here are his two letters to Hitler:
>http://www.mkgandhi.org/letters/hitler_ltr.htm
>http://www.mkgandhi.org/letters/hitler_ltr1.htm

>>724008462
Oh, you mean the crystal ball used by the gypsies? We already have it.

>>724008401

Do you dark web, local or home make your experiences?

>>724008593
>latent psychosis
oh now you're claiming you have superpowers? i think you should stop taking drugs. its already affecting your mind

According to Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, individual particles can teleport across the universe and it is impossible to know the exact size of a particle. This is considered fact.