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What's your job? How much money do you make? Do you enjoy it?

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What's your job?

How much money do you make?

Do you enjoy it?
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Janitor, make around 14$ an hour. I guess I'm satisfied but one way takes 1.5 hour to drive. I commute 3 hours a day :/
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Programmer
2300€/month
Yea pretty okay. I smoke weed every other day and have a gf, still kinda empty tho. Need an hobby. Any tips?
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>>721873077
Web Developer
52k/yr
I love it and i love the work environment but it's mentally taxing at times
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i delete posts on an imageboard and i do it for free
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Nothing
gets
720-750$ each month
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Delivery driver

I make around $300 a week

I hate myself and fantasize about death daily.
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Software
159K/yr
Its ok but half my coworkers are idiots and it kills me.
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Corporate recruiter.

$70k/year.

It's equal parts boring and stressful as hell and I kinda hate talking to people about whatever job they're applying to. Pro tip: the recruiter you talk to gives no flying shit about you.
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sysadmin specializing in bringing HA to the unwashed scrubs

80k/y... definitely on the low side but the company has nice benefits, is a comfortable place to work, and doesn't drug test.

loc: southeast USA
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>>721873077

Enterprise security architect (not as exciting as it reads) 115k.

I enjoy it most days. I'm happy with my hobbies of fire spinning and my wife/daughter.

Would love to quit the job and walk some days though.
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>>721873077
Paramedic in Norway. Making around 100k$ (yearly minimal is 70k'ish) a year, depending on how much I choose to work.

I love my job.
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>>721873077
Diesel mechanic
32.50/hr
Yes, i love the fuck out of what i do.
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>>721874962
>It's equal parts boring and stressful as hell and I kinda hate talking to people about whatever job they're applying to. Pro tip: the recruiter you talk to gives no flying shit about you.

this is me >>721875008


definitely dealt with recruiters hiring for positions where I work, they bombard us with resumes that have nothing to do with the position, and have clearly been edited to try and match the job description. It's like they dont know we quiz the shit out of a potential hire and can tell if they are googling.

I'm actually surprised to see you'd make that much... would have expected the 50k range. Is your salary common in the industry?
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>>721874962
Protip: nobody gives a shit about you either
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Do-all Engineer in a small machine building company
1,5k$ a month, which is quite fine in my country
I like it, however I'm contemplating moving to automotive industry
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>>721873077
I'm in the Intelligence Community - IMINT specifically. 73k right now, working on my networking to move into some more lucrative contracting jobs before selling myself to NGA or NASIC.
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EMT/Guardsman
50K a year
I have ptsd and want to die
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>>721875108

Working in IT now I fantasize about working on cars or aircraft, but it would be tough to give up the salary and start at square 1.

I dont know a hell of a lot about mechanical things right now but feel it can be picked up easily by someone who is constantly having to learn complicated technology on a daily basis.

Will you speak a bit to the difficulty of learning what you need to know for that job?
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>>721873077
Machine operator,

Currently 21 every year is one dollar and some change more.
With overtime i clocked 54k this year.

The job is easy but i work with a ton of older ex cons/mil vets who gossip like women and have little clicks like 14yo preppy highschool girls. So most of the time i dont like it.
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>>721875162

I'm internal. I don't work for an agency so typically I get paid a higher base and have little to no bonus/commission.

Senior talent acquisition and executive search can get up to $90k plus. Furthermore I do technical positions-- which also pays more.
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>>721875251
>I'm in the Intelligence Community - IMINT specifically. 73k right now, working on my networking to move into some more lucrative contracting jobs before selling myself to NGA or NASIC.

embrace the booz allen ham lifestyle anon, rake in the big bucks on short term contracts where you're out the door and on to something else by the time you start to hate it. lots of great travel..
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STEM tutor
~$175 per week
Yep. Four hour work days, keeps my brain sharp, and allows me to care for my children.

Father
-$250,000/17 years
I get to play legos and watch Spongebob, so fuck everything else.
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US Navy active duty. 11years
Not enough for this
Terrible. PTSD and overwhelming desire for death
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>>721875180

Cool.
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Security Guard 85k a year.
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IT tech, about 4500$ /month. not liking it
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Duct cleaning i fucking hate it gonna quit in the next couple hours just trying to do it in style.
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>Automotive technician
>about $65k a year
>my job is ok


I am actively looking for a new career. I am good at what I do and the money is ok. It just takes a toll on your body and mind after a while.

Plus people are fucking disgusting and I hate having to get into cars driven by slobs.
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I'm on workman's comp not making shit. Pic related, fell of a fuckin ladder.
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>>721875523
What
How and where
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>>721873077
as a fag who recently decided its impossible to avoid work anymore, I have a question to ask.
>how do I get over the fear of getting a job I know nothing about?
I'm looking at jobs atm but none seem like the kind of thing I'll get the hang of
>used to work at a shitty local supermarket where I was just 'told to work' but nothing about how to do it. Bad experience, don't want it happening again
>shit short term memory, can't memorize an order thats longer than a 10 word sentence
>have no qualifications to do any jobs other than the ordinary stuff, restaurant, kitchen cleaning, store assisting, managing phone calls
>every job I looked into I was told "don't do this, this job is too hard" "don't even look at that, look for a better job, trust me"
what am I supposed to do?
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>>721873577
Video games are fun. Play League of Legends.
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>>721875755
who plays that shit?
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Saturation diver
$1200/day
I fucking love it.
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>>721873077
I work at a music store, making about $9 an hour. I stock old vinyl records in my side of the building, while guitars and other musical things are sold on the other side. The owner is my best friend so I get a great discount on records and guitar stuff, and once a month we play a concert in the store and sometimes I play with the band, so I'm fairly happy with my job. I've been told that I may be looking at a managerial position soon
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>engineering student
>no wage
>best years of my life
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>>721875749
sounds like you had a shitty manager. Their fault not yours. With entry level jobs theyre supposed to instruct and guide you, so just get back out there and be honest with them. Tell them that you dont know what youre supposed to do and they will help you. Trust people more. Most people arent trying to fuck you over.
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I do recieving for a hard ware store and make about $350 to $450 a week. I hate it.

I went to college for forensics which was a mistake because there are no jobs so now I am taking coding classes at a two year so I can hopefully become web designer. Any tips on what will make me a more marketable person in web design? I just started taking html and Java with other basic stuff too and love it.
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>>721874549
K
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K
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>>721875830

What is that even? What exactly do you do?
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>>721873077
Self employed pilot, I make anything from 90$ an hour to 130$ an hour but I only work like 20 to 28 hours a week
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>>721875293
Most companies offer all the technical training you need for in depth diagnostics. You would need some basic knowledge of engines and accessories like alternators, turbochargers, oil and water pumps, etc. Also, a good understanding of electronics, and how to use a digital multi meter.

Once you know the basic components of the power train and drive train, it all comes down to following the process of elimination. Most fault codes come with a trouble tree that guides you along until you either eliminate that possibility, or find your problem.

If you were to sign on with a shop right now, you'd probably do mostly oil changes, tires, light repairs, and maybe outer engine work. Replacing belts, hoses, stuff like that.

I will say this, it's not a cheap trade. I've got about 10k invested in my tools. Granted, you buy them over time and as you need them. But they aren't cheap.
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>>721875749
do you have a mental impairment of sorts? if not, you can learn any low qualification job from scratch
>lie you have cash register experience on your resumé
>"learning" one takes literally 2 minutes
>get job as retail zombie(like me)
>???
>profit!
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>>721873077
I work as an instrumentation tech at a power plant in Arizona.

$43 per hour (eventually; I'm in training). Stupid hours (can vary wildly and depends on incompetent managers) and stupid people (mostly).

I contemplate suicide frequently, but don't do it because my wife and son keep me going. I try not to burden them with things, so i don't think they know how bad it is. I can't blame it all on the job, but it doesn't help.
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>>721875846
That's awesome. They guys who run my local record store look like they absolutely hate their job and I cant understand why
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>>721874785
anon :'(
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Linux admin, 95k/yr, love my work
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Security Manager
55K a year
Can't wait to quit this job
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I work at 3d printing factory.

1850€/month if I do fulltime, I usually just finish my job and go home because I can.

Hate it, I do 3x more than others there, but they get 500€ more than me.
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>>721876082
Only 10k well hey youre not that deep yet people out here be spending 30k in one transaction on the tool truck
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old here

ops mgr, hired at 23,500usd/yr.
same job same place, now at 105,000usd

advice i followed:
if you can hack midnight shift those hours are job security.
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Engineer. I design electronic circuit boards, and do low level programming.

44k eur / year

western europe

24yo
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>>721873577
How old are you and how many years of experience do you have?
I'm currently working as software-developer too and I earn about 2100€
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>>721876449
*not a security job
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>>721875749
I also wanted to add that I'm an extremely 'worried' person, I don't think I'll be able to mentally handle a job thats 'unpredictable' in a way, like odd working hours, always expecting to do something new like one day you're stocking shelves and next month you're told to do something completely new and then if you fuck up on your trial period you're out of the picture and need to find a new job/repeat the learning process of a job...

I'm retarded I know but I ran out of options in life and look to just live to the end in monotony with a boring, repetitive job

>>721875928
I know that, its just an experience that scarred me in a way, I can't help myself but to avoid getting a job, like being picky in what I apply for.

>>721876091
I think I'm reasonably normal, I think its just that I'm like my mother, I worry about everything twice as much since she pretty much steered my dad's life into a right direction because he didn't give a fuck. I'm just extremely worried about everything, even if its a simple thing.
I applied for many regular jobs, cleaning shit in a kitchen in a few cafes, store assisting in local supermarkets and all that. But I'm looking to move out at the same time and finding a cheap enough house + a job to go with it is tough
>can't find a job locally, place is dead, everyone leaves when they have a chance. Looking for that chance now
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commodity trader
1-1.2 mil
work from laptop so can travel alot and work from anywhere
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>>721876452
Forgot to mention:I fucking love my job.
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>>721876443
Yeah, only 12 years in. I'm an aftertreatment and under the valve cover guy. Haven't fucked with many transmissions and what not.

>muh boxes
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I'm just about to graduate with a double major arts degree in English and History.

Any advice from you employed bros for what I can do for a living? Thinking advertising copywriter, publication, editing, something like that. Thoughts?
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>>721873077
Chef for the Royal Family. 135k pounds per year +benefits +healthcare +pension. I love it.
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i find pedos on internet chatrooms and get their ip, i then say i will report them only if they do not pay me x amount of bitcoin.

it pays the bills so i can't complain
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Software Dev (junior)
1900$ a month (after tax)
Hate it
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I am interested in becoming an industrial designer. Anybody got experience or tips ?
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>>721873077
street sweeper/cleaner
496 euros per month..
yoooo hooooo!!!!!
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>>721874890
damnnn

i still got 2 years and a half left before graduate,
cant fking wait
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Lawyer
£60-80K/year
23 y/o
Love it
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>>721877088
HOW DO YOU LIVE
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I work for Walmart in Canada doing inventory management. Its alright I dont make a whole lot but its still $13 an hour. I try to not work too much and enjoy myself. Unfortunately I came from a very shitty family which put me in debt so never had the opportunity to go to college for a proper education and career.
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Audio engineer
£7.20 p/h
hell yeah
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>>721876777
Real shit fam.. guy paid me to provide address for IPs.. use VPNs and burn a box or two.. dude wasn't happy about being blackmailed
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>>721873077
Maintenance Electrician at a plant
$105K/yr
It's alright.
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>>721877192
i dont...im greek...
but seriously..i try to get any kind of menial labor or extra work when and if its possible,,jobless rate here is nearly 30 percent,,you dont live..you survive
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>>721876049

I mostly work on underwater oil pipelines. I basically stay in chamber that's pressurised to the depth my team and I are working. Saves time on the decompression process and we can work as long as we need to. My job doesn't make sense to a lot of people just because there are specific gas/physics laws that only matter to divers.
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>>721873077
Commercial barrister

No set salary but I'm expecting to make £150,000 this year

I'm very lucky, it could be so much worse. I could be doing investment banking for ludicrous hours doing monotonous monkey work for less money. Or I could be a solicitor in a commercial law firm doing equally uninspiring work for worse hours for less pay.

The hours are very good. I work from about 09:00 to about 18:00 or 19:00 most days. The work is intellectually challenging, varied and rewarding.
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>>721877238
It's your family's fault. Sure. They stopped you from acting on your will too.
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i am god
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>>721873077
escort. it varies, 150-2000 once
i hate it but im addicted to shopping
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>>721877486
And how well does that pay? I put my resume in but they obviously didn't have the position open still.
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>>721877170
Barrister or solicitor?

Which area of law?

London?

Which university? Also undergrad law?
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>>721875523
Goddamn, also security guard here, but in Europoor. 25k a year.
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>>721877518
Tits or gtfo
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>>721877518
Those men are more afraid of you than you are of them. Take what you want.
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>>721876777
Wow that's really cool

Do you continuously blackmail them or just the one off?

I have a feeling you're probably not charging enough!
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>>721873077
IT consultant, making 50k a year, I'm pretty happy and enjoy my work about 80% of time
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Video & Audio editor freelance while working on starting up Youtube.
Not a lot.
Absolutely.
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>>721877446
Ehh I tried to help my mother keep her house by helping pay her mortgage and bills. She faked a stroke for attention and then became a professional victim. It was way more than I could handle but before I had a huge falling out with her it put me in a lot of debt because I thought of the house as a future investment for if she retires and what not.

Long story short it just cost way too much and she snapped so I had to leave. Now im in a lot of debt and working an hourly job. It sucks but thats life.
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>>721873577
read books, make porn with you gf, or maybe you can make whatsapp on ubuntu touch happen?
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>>721877518
Male or female escort?

How did you get into this business? Did you intend it or did your other endeavours not work out?
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>>721877759
just the one off.

i do it once a week so it adds up to liek £1000 a week.

I am also a hiki so its great fun and easy
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Nuclear Inspector for a valve company
at top of the grade its like 40K base and 10K bonuses, but I'm not quite there yet so made a little under 50k

I like it alright but I get kinda annoyed cleaning up after idiots.
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>>721875523
Don't you mean security officer?
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>>721877915
What's a hiki?
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>>721877401
glory of EU economics
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Engineering student
--20k/year
Hate this shit, want to be in the trades..... Fuck math
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>>721873077
Level designer at a small AAA game dev. 52k Trump Coins / yr. (And it's fucking awesome.)
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>>721877977
hikikomori, Japanese term for someone who just stays inside all day and has no work or job
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High School Physics Teacher

45,000/year

No, I'm becoming an hero after I finish the year.
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Work as system analyst and operative in one major card procesing firm in my country.

Around 1000 euros a month.

The shifts are pain in the ass. 24/7 work time but its quite good pay for my country and i get mega benefits from firm in thier mother bank.

Pic. Related, my workdesk.
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>>721873077
No formal employment, but I make quite a bit of money through art. I do some work at my brother's garage doing custom painjobs and designing overlays, I occasionally work at a friend's tattoo parlor when he needs somebody with my style, plus I sell stuff at art shows, get commissions, and make some money of patreon for my digital art.

Kind of a feast or famine type deal. I've had times where I've sold a piece for 11k at an art show, then I've had other times where I was struggling to pay the bills. But I make my own hours, I never "work" more than 20 hours a week (though what is or isn't work kind of blurs when your hobby is your job), and I still make 60-80k a year, and I'm doing a job I love.
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>>721877890
male. it was this one weekend last summer, i didnt really have any money at the time and i was bored and doing adderall with my friend greg, and he suggested we go escorting as a team. so we went onto backpage and there were a ton of hot guys. but no crossdressers or sissies. so we dressed up in girls stuff and posted an ad. like an hour later we fucked this dad looking guy
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>>721873077
150-175k/year
Director at a software company
It's not bad. The pay makes it worth the stress.
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Own a software company,

Made $2.3M last year from that plus another $150k from investments
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>>721874890
you work with me? :P
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No job, but I was seriously considering welding. Is it good? I know it's not the easiest job, but I heard it pays pretty good.
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>>721877915
Why not do it more often and become really rich?
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>>721873077
Postman
£10.50 hour 25 hour week currently
Yes love my job easy and nice, just gotta be careful of some weirdos who will accuse you of knocking on their door to hard...
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I serve in a restaurant. I make about 35k per year. Fuck no its awful but hey its a job.
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>>721873077

IT worker for non profit

€32k

Love it
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>>721878405
That's ok. There will be weirdos on here that crucify you over using to instead of too.
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>>721878294
I used to work as a welder. Took a 6 month class at a local tech, got a job at a pipe company as a welder, made $32 per hour, averaging 11 hour days, but I only worked 4 days a week. Pretty quickly had more money than I knew what to do with, but it can be hard on your body over time depending on where you're working.
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SWA mechanic
47/hr
Kill me
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>>721877437
How old are you?
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>>721877437
What was the path to becoming a commercial barrister? Also what university did you go to?
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Bartender/Mixologist in a posh clubhouse
£15 an hour
I love the job itself, but not where I'm doing it, I'm 18, and wish I was working in a more youthful bar, not a place where I can actually feel my clients growing old...
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>>721878363
honestly cba, and it takes a lot of grinding, £1000 a week is enough to live a "normal life" for me.
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>>721873077
3k/month
Software engineer
Money will raise a lot in the next 5 years
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I make around 36k a year in a retail management position. Im complacent so im gucci.
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>>721878496
Yeah I read a lot of guys just work for like half a year and earn enough to live a normal life for another 10 months before they do another contract.
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>>721878495
I am not learn so good.
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>>721878156
take as many students and teachers with as you can..if youre gonna do it then do it with a bang,
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>>721878572
also i forgot to mention it takes time to get the physical money since in order to convert the bitcoin into "real" money i have to do bitcoin trading, which takes long.
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>>721873077
Tattoo artist. From 3500 to 6000 a month. Get payd errday.
Pic unrelated
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>>721878640
Yeah, that's pretty common if you aren't on staff with a specific company like I was. A lot of guys just work with construction companies during the summer and fall, and spend the rest of the year just dicking around. Considered doing that myself, but I just worked for 3 years straight instead to save up a few hundred k to have something to fall back on while I got my next career going.
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>>721877656

man security guards in the UK get like sub 20k a year

the fuck you all guarding thats paying so much?
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Electrician
500€ per month
fuck I hate my job
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>>721873077
Army 25S
About 30k annually
The actual job I trained for, yes; other army bullshit, no.
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>>721875523
you must be a paki since they know you will work for less pay
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Burger King

Chef

$12/Hour
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Advertising
8k $USD a year ... yeah ... shit tier country
i want to hang myself.
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>Software Architect
>100k a year
>yeah i love it
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>>721874656
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Work at dicks
$11/hr
I thoroughly hate my job.
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supervising refugees in europe
11k/year
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>>721873077
The polite term for what I do is "Corporate Securities Contractor". I basically ride in the passenger seat of a truck in convoys in *insert third world shithole here* and "dissuade" people who try to stop us, usually with threats, sometimes with bullets.

$125k a year. 2 months on, one month off. Lots of traveling, lots of seeing new places, most of which are total shitholes once you step out of the hotel. I occasionally get to shoot at people though, which is nice, though they often shoot back, which is less nice.
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>>721878926
>chef
dont kid yourself
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>>721878107

Weeb
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>>721879096
when you have nothing to do all day then to catch pedos and watch gay youtube.

you start to get into anime
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>>721878500
27
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>>721879176


Why don't you work for the national pedo catching... club?
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>>721878819
I might do the same thing. Work first for a few years at a company to get skills, then do contracts. Thank for the info, have a nice evening/day.
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I plan fibre, don't know what it's called in English.
~17euro/h
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>>721873077
Sous chef at a "High end Gastro Pub"

£25,000 a year (Excluding tips)

In all honesty it's decent. You get hungry making food all day though.
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>>721878156
What school?
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>>721879281
Yeah, you too man. Peace.
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>>721879253
there is no such thing.

also most of them losers would never do it for money they do it for fun.

i could work for the FBI i guess but then my time would be less flexible
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>>721873077
i think this world is a waste of my knowledge https://discord.gg/Sae7aJr
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>>721878549
>What was the path to becoming a commercial barrister?
First I studied humanities and social science A-levels at sixth form (History, Literature, Politics, and Law). Then I applied to study law at undergraduate. During my time as an undergraduate I did debating, mooting, mini-pupillages (short internships with barristers' sets). Then I did 2 master's degrees. During the year of my last one I applied for pupillage with commercial barrister sets. A pupillage is the formal 'apprenticeship' needed to qualify as a barrister. I secured a pupillage then went on the Bar Professional Training Course for a year. The BPTC is required before undertaking pupillage. During pupillage I worked hard and was kept on as a full-time tenant at the set.

>Also what university did you go to?
Cambridge for undergraduate, Oxford then Harvard for masters'
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>>721879065
Wait, you get to kill people for your job? Civilian jobs exist where that happens? I thought that was just a military/cop thing. How do you even get hired for that?
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Television production at a small locally owned TV Station. It's a skeleton crew, but we're like family.

$350 a week most of the year (get paid extra for any outside of the office projects besides commercial shoots) Also get a small commission on any advertising sales if I decide to do that.

Best job I've ever had. I come in when I want and leave when I want (usually work 10 to 5). Boss doesn't care as long as my work is done. We goof off a lot. It is NEVER boring. Doesn't pay much, but my wife and I get by on our combined income. Super low stress.
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>>721873077
Security

around $1500 a month, but for the past 6 months I racked up a lot of overtime which was very nice. Overall it is enough to pay all my bills and have some extra saved up for personal stuff or for emergencies.

Yeah it's a pretty chill job. Mostly deal with truckers all day. Even if something happens I'm just told to call the cops or an ambulance. I also get 3 days off a week so that's pretty rad.
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>>721879749
Sounds like a pretty cool job. But it must get boring if you are sat around all day.
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>>721873077

Translating stuff online. Currently earning between 3 and 4 k dorrars a month while working what amounts to part-time hours when I'm not busy reading, playing games or going to the pub getting sloshed.

The work is boring, but I can listen to my own music, drink my own coffee, take a break whenever I want and earn more than I would in a fair to middling lower office position.

Could be worse. ^^
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wipe winshields at traffic lights
150-200 euros a day..depending on the weather or traffic
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>>721875663
Haha im on the same boat as you. I had multiple back injuries every yr and it just keeps worse. So i called it quits
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>>721879704
>Wait, you get to kill people for your job?
Yes, but it's highly discouraged. It makes for bad press, and strains relationships between local "governments" and the company if we're just gunning people down in the streets.

>I thought that was just a military/cop thing.
I mean, it kind of still is in a way. Pretty much everyone I work with is either ex military or ex police. We're employed by a private company now, but it's not like we're actually being tasked to go out and kill people (though that does happen with other companies), we're just guarding trucks, and we do what we have to get everything where it needs to go. Sometimes that means shooting some dumb fucker, though some of the time we're not actually allowed to kill anyone. We get guns, but we aren't allowed to shoot. Those are the real nerve wracking jobs.

>How do you even get hired for that?
Like I said, most of us are either ex military or ex cops, and if a company needs guys to react well under pressure, it's best to get people who've been trained to do that already.
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>>721879895
It would be boring if I didn't have my phone. It wouldn't be so bad if I could do some patrols, but it's one of those "sit in a box next the gate" security jobs.
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>>721873077
Programmer
3000€/month
Work is not too bad. The rest of life is.
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>>721873577
Buy a drone. I work on servers from 10pm-7am and can safely say this is the best hobby for those with disposable income.
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>>721873279
how do you even come out on top at that wage to justify that much travel time, gas, car maintenance, etc?
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>>721873077
Programmerer
Pre tax / 401k / ira / health insurance about 3.5 k a month.

About 2400 a month after those things.
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Fresh out of High School working as a salesman for an electronics store. I make about $20/hour.

Decent enough whilst I try to figure out what the fuck to do with my life.
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retail adviser
I make 4.28 gbp a hour
I like the job but talking to people for a entire day is taxing
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>>721880336
Ah ok, well as long as it pays the bills I guess.
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