>>721757112 Trump's presidency has already proven to be an absolute disaster. The shittiest cabinet picks in history, a shitty supreme court pick, and a shit ton of illegal executive orders which are all now coming under fire and getting shot down.
Chuck Shumer is going to prevent him from picking a supreme court justice, since that pick technically belonged to the democrats because it should have happened under Obama. Shumer says he will stall any picks until the next democratic president is elected in 2020. There is no doubt that things will swing WAY DEMOCRAT after this total trainwreck of a presidency.
>>721758464 Yeah. They will just change it to a majority vote. They think there will be another opening soon and want to pack right wing judges in. Trump only picked this one because his sister recommended him. The next will probably be more right wing and crazy
>>721758289 LOL cry harder. "worst" = YOU dont agree with them. Except nobody cares who you want, thats why you lost. Trump has so far been the most effective president since Reagan, and all your lefty tears just embolden us. If the election were held today he'd win a shutout
>>721759217 Delusional Turnip supporters need to carefully watch their messiah. Does this man really seem like he has your best interests at heart? Forget about the left for a second and really just observe his behavior.
>Keystone Pipeline has been turned over to the army >Muslim Ban quashed >repeal aca yea probably not gonna happen, lets all recall universal healthcare was a republican idea until the black guy wanted to do it >build tha w'ah it's not quashed, its just not getting done for free >scotus pick is fine and dandy? congress wont block him, i dunno why you think he's been denied already.
>>721760673 yea i was kidd'n about the w'ah. Its a ridiculous and monstrous idea. like, everyone flipped when he signed the order and i was like, 'y'all know he can't just command construction start the next day, right? like sooo much planning and money management has to happen before anything starts.' i'll be shocked if it ever happens.
>>721760504 Yeah, but in their defense, this is absolutely the pervasive narrative: blacks are victims, whites are oppressors, and if you disagree then you're a racist and a bigot and #partoftheproblem
The vast majority of them don't give a single fuck about race relations, politics, white people etc. They just want to live their life. The biggest issue for most blacks is weed not because of the far reaching issues that weed being illegal causes the race, but because they personally like to smoke it and don't want to go to jail for their own enjoyment of something.
>>721761103 What the fuck blacks are you interacting with in this fantasy land. I live in Atlanta which is majority black, and even they don't give a fuck about it. Do you by chance go to a liberal college of some sort?
>>721759426 That's what republicans tell you lefties about guy's like Ted Nugent, or Limbaugh but instead of using your own logic you turn around and wrap up everyone as crazies too. Now you can enjoy the same treatment.
>>721760998 I think it depends on the class. Generally speaking, mid to upperclass, educated blacks are absolutely obsessed with socio-political matters, and they tend to be hyperfocused on racial issues.
>>721759908 Keystone was approved construction will begin in next few weeks.
The Travel ban will be upheld if the supreme court hears it.
they haven't even started going at Obamacare yet
When did the wall get quashed????
The dems set the rules for the next scotus. It will be a filibuster proof vote because of the way the dems wrote new rules before the election. They were SOOOO sure they would win control of everything . Republicans control both houses
>>721758289 you idiot all they need is 51 votes to get that pick into office - there are 51 Republicans in the Senate plus a few Dem Senators in Republican states One way or the other he'll get on the court do your homework
When did I saw I voted for her because she was a woman.
I simply said I have no problem with a female president, what I was referring to was the way so many far lefts would call out people not voting for Hills on the premise of sexism, when in reality she was just a shit nominee for the DNC
>>721759908 Pipeline - easement approved to build it under that river Travel Pause - will be approved Repeal Obamacare - already done Build the Wall - construction already started SCOTUS pick - will be approved soon Shall I go on ?
She was just a controversy waiting to happen and had mixed up in too much shit
Bernie or any other nominee would have done much better against Trump, mostly because of their ability to appeal to the right.
Most of the more civil right wingers I heard opinions from throughout the election were voting for Trump simply because he wasn't Hillary/they hated that she stood for just about everything corrupted on the dems side of things
>>721761528 That's true, and the double standard triggers the absolute fuck out of me. However, that's one of those things I'm able to overlook, because blacks, themselves, are often the ones who are harmed most by this kind of liberal pandering.
So long as liberals continue with this non-stop barrage of virtue signaling, the black community will never improve.
>>721762144 Want me to blow your mind? I work in a welfare office in Atlanta, GA. I 'deal' with hundreds of poor black people every single day. Get off your high horse. The majority of these people just want to survive. Are there welfare queens and people who abuse the system? Definitely. Are they the majority? Not at all. I've actually seen a higher number of Hispanic people pull up in nice cars and wearing nice clothes to my office. Most of the black people are wearing good will clothes and shit. I had a nice conversation on politics with a gentleman the other day as I was doing his paperwork, and he really had no idea what was happening, and just said 'I don't know why everyone can't just be live and let live, you know?'
Stop assuming you know better because your narrative is different. Most racist people never interact with the races they despise.
>>721758289 Agree with most of this except about Schumer doing anything. He's a worthless piece of shit and the fact that he's the minority leader shows that the Democrats are not really interested in being an opposition party. Their only strategy is cross their fingers for 2018.
>>721763366 Unlikely. Their best bet is to try to hold. Trump's ratings won't be high enough to provide any help. If the economy slows at all, which is probably pretty likely, the GOP has no one to blame.
>>721763619 Huh? The country is moving left. The GOP has a major problem when Georgia and Texas turn purple, which could be within 10 years. Trump's margin of victory was razor thin. It's unlikely a traditional GOP candidate would have been able to win. And it's unlikely they'll be able to find another Trump.
Immigration and attrition are major problems for Republicans.
>>721763619 No. That's just who turned up. The country will progressively move left as the economy under trump faulters. It started off good but then Trump had to go on twitter and claim a weak dollar was better. It may be true that the dollar is too artificially strong but saying it fucks up futures except oil and scrap metal.
>>721763366 >republican landslide >he believes 3-5 million voted illegally >he believes Trump won "in a landslide" Trump isn't even a whole month into his presidency and he's the most controversial, unpopular president in modern history (and yes, I'm including Clinton).
His deficit-busting tax plan, along with all of the spending, is going to cause the debt to skyrocket. His Wall™ (if it ever gets built) will be paid for by the taxpayers/consumers (NOT MEXICO). And last but not least, his volatile, vindictive nature is only just beginning to cause problems, and will undoubtedly cause many more. Not to mention the fact that he's a pathological liar.
>>721764275 306-232, Trump won in a massive landslide. It's already been proven that millions of illegals voted. TPP is dead Wall ordered to be built, Mexico will pay Taxes lower for all while loopholes are closing Term limits for Congress now on the table The only President to actually follow through with his campaign promises so quickly Immigration ban from hostile countries known to churn out terrorists like Shaniqua churns out babies The list goes on, and it's only been a month.
>>721764947 He ranks in the bottom fourth in electoral college votes, and he ranks dead last in the popular vote. So, how exactly is that a """landslide"""?
>Already proven No... it hasn't. At all.
>Mexico will pay He's already pretty much given up on that. It will be a combination of tax dollars and consumer spending on tariffs -- that is, unless some wealthy billionaires step in (or something like that).
>the only president to follow through on his promises so quickly Woah, he's signing executive orders! Very little is actually being accomplished.
Liberals are becoming increasingly intolerant towards opposing viewpoints. The virtue signaling is becoming more and more commonplace, and many liberals (if not most) simply want to name-call any time they disagree with someones viewpoints. It's not even just the extremists anymore.
Your response is actually a good example of what I'm talking about: many liberals these days just want to toss out buzzwords like they're airtight arguments (fascist, racist, misogynist etc etc etc). It's not conducive to productive debate, and if you really care about the future of liberalism, then you might wanna stop posturing and come up with some more substantive arguments.
For the record, I loathe Trump and I'm opposed to the vast majority of his policies. So, I really wish my fellow progressives would readjust their debate tactics and focus on more tangible matters THAT CAN ACTUALLY BE PROVEN.
>>721766986 It's fine and is necessary in places like the South. Most righties hear affirmative action and think it's a quota system. It isn't.
It is smart policy that public institutions have staff that reflect the population. If a city is 40% minority, its municipal staff should be roughly similar. This serves not just to address long standing discrimination, it also creates a level of trust within the community.
>>721766985 Come on man. I'm with you, I hate trump, I hate the current rhetoric of the left, but you can't tell me that the left is in that mud pit for any reason beyond getting dragged there by the right. Everything that's happening now is the bizzaro version of the country from 8 years ago.
The left, especially the young dumb ones, took an aggressive response to what they saw was unrepentant and poorly disguised racism from the right all through Obama's tenure. Even from my perspective of the lunatic fringe, the right through an absolute bitchfit right from day one in an attempt to scuttle his presidency before he even fucking did anything besides be black.
The left has just adapted itself (poorly) to fight that war. They tried to get into a shit flinging fight, and found themselves outgunned, and clueless.
The right has always been the prime shitflingers and they clearly do it better. The left just couldn't realize that it's the illusion of strength, not intelligence or morality, that achieves victory in a shitfight. Because how moral or intelligent can you really be if you're there flinging shit like everyone else?
>>721768143 Trouble is anon, nobody gives a shit for solid facts. Nobody, ever. Facts are either an inconvenience to be argued against, danced around, and ignored, or a club one uses to batter their enemies.
I'm sure you'll tell me that in the face of good solid facts, you'd reverse your opinions. On whatever you like if the facts are good and solid enough. But we both know that's shit, just like it is for for everyone. No amount of facts are ever going to change your opinion on the left, cause that's just human nature.
>>721768143 Someone who knows what fascism is didn't need to be given examples since they're all blatantly being shown to us every day.
>Creating a Boogeyman (Mexicans and Muslims) >America first, nationalist movement >Need a return to the rule of law (as if there was ever a move away from it) is nothing more than authoritarianism. >Discrediting the media >Creating a false narrative (alternate facts). >Discrediting the judicial branch and seeming unwilling to accept the results of judicial review. >Already threatening to invade a neighboring country. >Destabilization of foreign policy. >Increasing corporate power. >Anti-labor movement
>>721768835 >implying any of that is true >implying mexicans/muslims are a boogeyman >implying looking after your country first is bad >implying the media has any credibility >implying there's a false narrative >implying what the president said is a formal invasion >implying foreign policy was stable enough prior to destabilize
>implying having a right-wing leader that actually gets shit done for the first time in decades is """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""fascism"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>>721768613 >no amount of facts are ever going to change your opinion on the left Here's one, just off the top of my head: When I learned that the homicide rate in the U.S. was around the global average, and that the 2nd amendment specifically gives citizens the right to form militias in a "rogue government" scenario, I changed my position on banning assault weapons. Not to mention that good chunk of the homicides are suicides and gang violence.
I mostly agree with you, but I try not to be so cynical about people's ability to change.
ya sure got me with that one pal! definitely not the fluffy language and finger pointing... something that's been thrown around for a few years now. can you try again, i only visit once every few years
>>721769530 I am quite cynical it's true, about much more than people's ability to change. I've just never found cynicism to be a big hinderance outside of pissing off people who prefer to pretend that everything is great.
>>721770447 That will never happen. Here in Franken's home state, he has too much of a negative history to actually have any push. His following is small but loyal but not enough to garner anything serious >inb4 Trump overcame his own history >Trump hasn't been politically active nearly as long as Franken iirc
>>721770635 Your snarky irreverence isn't impressing anyone, anon.
If you can't understand how a leader who propagates lies and attempts to discredit his detractors for simply criticizing him is displaying fascist tendencies, then you're hopeless. This is a man who said that people should lose their citizenship for burning the flag, for fucks sake.
>>721770951 funny how i've met plenty of folks on all sides of the political spectrum who have no fucking clue what "disingenuous" means at all on the rare happenstance someone DOES get it, it's hilariously misused
>>721771158 >implying i want to impress anyone i come on /b/ once in a while to fuck around, not impress people on a political thread, much less a political thread about left-wing presidential candidates that have little to no chance
>propagates lies >fascist tendencies fascist tendencies =/= fascist it's a given that in the current year, you're gonna have people label anything right of center as fascism. i certainly don't agree with revoking citizenship for burning the flag but i don't see that as an issue to worry about since there's no way it would ever be law. trump can ramble about what he -wants- to do all he wants. it's what he -can- do that should worry you and i. >discredit his detractors his entire campaign was not only propped up by the opposition but pelted with shit the entire time. the amount of misinformation splayed out over the news, internet, social media, etc. was sickening. i don't agree with most of what trump is about but i sure wouldn't say i didn't see his campaign be misrepresented
>>721771515 if it meant solely "insincere," you would just write "insincere." instead, it has a related but different meaning. i know what you're getting at but it's not accurate to say it means "insincere" and that's it
this is following right in the steps of "literally"
>>721771654 >i come on /b/ once in a while to fuck around, not impress people on a political thread I'm sure you're a real intellekchul
>fascist tendencies =/= fascist The separating factor is a system of checks and balances, and it's a good thing we have them.
>the amount of misinformation splayed out over the news, internet, social media, etc. was sickening I won't say this never happened, but it's a problem when his arguments typically only consist of superficial claims ("wrong", "lies", "dishonest", "crooked"). He rarely presents a rebuttal which actually refutes the so-called "fake news"
>>721761575 - republicans install exxon exec - republicans install literal white nationalist (Bannon) - Republicans install DeVos strictly to line their pockets and damage the federally funded school system
Sorry there chief, but one side is literally all crazy and it isn't the left. We have looney outliers on the left, sure. Show me a group who doesn't. But lunacy is boiler plate on the American right and has been ever since the Nixon administration. Your attempt to draw a false comparison is noted and dismissed.
>>721772438 there's a reason i've stayed off /b/ and 4chan in general for about 8 or 9 years
i do totally agree trump has fallen into a pattern of running the same adjectives over any naysayers but i don't blame him. "fake news" is an exaggeration but you'd have to be purposefully ignorant to not see the clear bias in media. social media is the biggest offender of this, sites like nowthis, fckh8, huffpo, buzzfeed are a huge problem and not only do they push their own agenda, they dumb down our people with snack-size tidbits of information devoid of displaying both sides when you consider their audience size, then it becomes worrisome
>>721773323 So what? Hilary was a great Sec of State. I don't believe anyone on his cabinet was totally ignorant of the job, nor did any of them passionately hate and want to dismantle their own agency.
>Education secretary hates education >Labor secretary wants robots and no breaks for employees >Sec of State sucks Putin's cock
>>721773089 >social media is the biggest offender of this, sites like nowthis, fckh8, huffpo, buzzfeed The only site I've ever visited is huffpo, so I can't really comment. In fact, I haven't even heard of fckh8 or nowthis.
Almost all media is biased to a certain degree, but I think it's unwise to paint with such a broad brush, as they're certainly not all equal in the truth department. Also, you forgot to mention Fox News, Breitbart, Alex Jones, and the gaggle of conservative talk radio hosts that spew propaganda on a regular basis.
On a side-note, it irritates me when conservatives talk about the ""MSM"" being biased when Fox News has higher ratings at 3am than CNN does during primetime. Fox is about as biased and mainstream as it gets.
>>721773600 Trumps cabinet is mostly people who gave thousands to millions to his campaign. Trump used the campaign to funnel the money legally into his company. He's already declared that he's running again so he can continue to enrich his business
>>721774030 I'm 33yo and this election was the first time I ever voted. Generally speaking, I've always felt the same about ""democracy"" in the U.S., but this election was different from any election in U.S. history. Hillary is a cunt... Trump is an absolute madman.
>>721773796 If you want to know the Conservative take On Trump Admin Fox News is it . They don't peddle in Fake news like CNN. They also don't Play games with race Politics like CNN . They Don't cut the Mic or Camera Off when someone shares Views that they don't agree with . If you want real news Check out DennisMichealLynch, or We are Change or AMTV on YouTube
>>721774828 >fake news like CNN WHAT FAKE NEWS??? You're telling the other anons who've responded to your post to give you links for Fox lies, and you haven't cited a single fake news story that CNN has propagated.
I'm the anon you were responding to, btw.
Also, I appreciate the recommendations, but I've had it with all the talking heads.
Translation, Trump only has 26% support nationwide. He vastly outnumbered by those who oppose him. The majority of those who voted chose Hillary Clinton by 54%. The ones who didn't vote stayed home because they didn't like Trump or Hillary. That means that 74% of the entire population who can vote, are apposed to Trump.
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