>>721670825 Congress has granted the President broad discretion under 8 U.S.C. § 1182(f) to suspend the entry of “any class of aliens” into the United States, and independently broad discretion over the refugee program under 8 U.S.C. § 1157.
The exclusion of aliens is also “a fundamental act of sovereignty inherent in the executive power to control the foreign affairs of the nation.” United States ex rel. Knauff v. Shaughnessy, 338 U.S. 537, 542 (1950).
>>721667765 Typical Trump-cuck. Knows there is no legal backing for Trump's immigration executive order, so he tries desperately to get others help him rationalize it. When are you Trump-tards going to wake up and realize he's the worst president in history and that his administration is going to implode?
>>721667765 You should probably remind them that Obama suspended all immigrants from a muslim nation during his Presidency and that the left didnt lose their fucking minds when it happened, because the exercise of such power by the POTUS is perfectly legal.
Because the genuine terrorists from Afganistan, Saudi Arabia and Iran are America's best allies and the fact they aren't banned proves it's not a 'Muslim ban' and anyway, the shortlist of countries was drawn up by Obama so it's his fault.
>>721667765 >Give me the best defense for Trump's executive order on Immigration. He promised an unconstitutional, un-American ban on people of a particular religion. His EO was an attempt to deliver on that promise. If somebody tries to tell you it's not a Muslim ban, just remind them that the ban had a special loophole for anyone fleeing religious persecution in Muslim-dominated nations. In other words, a loophole for anyone who isn't a Muslim.
Or you could take a cue from The Donald himself: just make up whatever nonsense you like and declare anyone who disagrees a liar.
>>721667765 Get ready for this shit OP Canada lets in immigrants into their country where they get free healthcare and "extra financial assistance" just for moving to this country, The canadian government has favorites...and they are immigrants just because the dirty fucks are a money hole,they would rather help someone who just moved here than help a fellow citizen that was born here and lived here for 20+ years. So if immigrants are banned from usa and canada our financial issues will stop and the ones who truly deserve their money will rise, Immigrants ruined canada and they will ruin the states too just a matter of time.
>>721668478 >Talk about europe. Europe has really poor class mobility, and has marginalized and concentrated immigrants in ghettos for decades.Then, SURPRISE! they don't integrate for shit. Plus, any dune-coon that can walk to Europe gets in. The Muslims that have been immigrating to the US for just as long have enough money to cross the Atlantic, then wind up integrating much better. That's why you cunts have to keep referring to Sweden, even though there's plenty of Muslims in the U.S.
>>721671575 >implying everyone doesn't get free healthcare in Canada, not just immigrants >implying immigration financial assistance isn't just welfare that was applied for and granted >admitting you need someone to hold your hand through the welfare process like someone who doesn't speak english >crying that muhammad with the phd stole a doctor job from your high school dropout ass
>>721671703 >You take your news from CNN don't you? Nope, mostly /pol/. But if you have to pretend that CNN are just making up the news, you're already doing the "make up whatever nonsense you like and declare anyone who disagrees a liar", thing, congrats.
>>721672041 You are retarded. If you have a job healthcare is not free simple as that do some research for once in your life, half the shit you just typed is unreadable fuckwit go back to grade 8 nigger
Unfortunately, there really isn't much of a defense for rolling on an executive order that was rushed in without on significant legal input or vetting.
Targeting those nations when they haven't been responsible for any attacks on American soil, but then leaving out Saudi Arabia which is where nearly all of the 9/11 hijackers came from is nuts when you say it's to combat terrorism. At the end of the day are vetting process is already very very thorough and the fact that permanent residents were even temporarily impacted is inexcusable.
I get you're a Trump supporter, but that doesn't mean you should blindly defend everything he does. Critique your own candidate.
>>721672694 I dont, Im stating facts and all he has to say is some ignorant bullshit, its all put together too like some broke ass mug i understood 70% of that, I didnt ask for your input but thanks anyway bitch
I'll lay some real shit on you.... The people who are refugees are people willing to conform or at least tolerate western culture. These are the people we need to STAY in the middle east to help cultivate a New government and society there.. If all the good people leave, the region will be left in even greater turmoil. We are then either left to deal with an even bigger hotbed of extremism that acts out, or we go in guns blazing and essentially erradicate a region, which isn't really feasible in today's political correct atmosphere, also that's genocide. So instead terrorism grows and no one has the balls to say these fuckwads need to be destroyed they continue to ravage our countries in the retarded name of Allah.
Follow Trumps example and constantly say, "I don't want to talk about that." then leave claiming they're unfairly pushing issues that don't matter. Spend the next week in class talking about how fat and ugly your debate partner is, touting your clear victory over them.
Talk about how it isn't a Muslim ban. On top of that talk about how it is only temporary (3 months, actually less). Say it's a privilege to travel to a country and that these countries banned were from a list Obama came up with, Trump is just implementing what Obama came up with
>>721674279 Using military bases across the globe to surround its primary military rivals gives the US a monstrous strategic advantage in any potential conflict, and thereby creates a strong deterrent effect for those national rivals from initiating wars.
That such military advantage may engender isolated acts of terrorism is a small price to pay for the advantages such a global military presence provides to the US and global stability as a whole.
He said against ILLEGAL immigrants no the legal ones. ILLEGAL, so if they bring that shit up tell them: why does a country have to welcome another countries citizens. Shouldnt that other country really fix their BS?
if we want to start importing people less fortunate, then all of south america, africa, and the middle east will just be emptied into america. for fucks sake, we can't go around helping everybody, especially when our country's in such a shitty state anyway
>>721676049 Correct but it has intentions that are beyond what will be written down. They wouldn't say "prevent all blacks from voting" instead they will just change where the voting stations are. So what's written down doesn't show what they are actually trying to do. Congress also adds extras to bills so they can approve something good and something that will make them money at the same time like with the ACA
>>721671861 you're actually right. I'm from Holland and integration is absolute shit over here. Most of all because they simply don't have to, because they can sit in their own circle of immigrants in their neighborhood of immigrants, speaking their own language, working within the same neighborhoods or feeding off the tax payers. They don't get pushed to improve their lives over here.
>>721676237 Its intentions are to temporarily stop immigration from nations classified as terrorist threats to review vetting procedures in order to prevent potential terrorist attacks. This rationale is in the national interest of which the President has wide discretion to pursue.
>>721671325 He didn't do that though. Obama did not suspend all immigrants. That is not a fact. That is why no one lost their minds. And, lets just say he actually DID do that, then why do all you fucking Trump-fags hate Obama? IF your dear leader is actually just copying what Obama did- does that infuriate you?
>>721676276 this. it does't end with muslims though. If I look at polish people in the UK for example, they don't even need to learn English. Everything is being translated. they have their own grocery stores etc. If I'd need to defend Trump, I'd say that sometimes it's good to just reset everything, look at the situation and then make a plan, something europe constantly failed to do
>>721667765 Don't just defend him. Defend him like he defends himself.
- No matter what the opposition says, say they're wrong - When they bring up something you said that's being used against you, deny it. Then say you did, shrug, then demand you move to the next question. - Call them names - When they bring up statistics, say they're wrong - When they cite sources, call the sources liars or biased - When caught, deny deny deny - If they corner you, tell them they're trying to destroy the debate - If you lose the debate, say that the judges are biased and the debate is rigged - If you win the debate, say that the judges are biased and the debate is rigged. - Break into your opponents house and have a hooker piss on their bed.
>>721667765 The President is the Commander-In-Chief of the Armed Forces and is the only branch of government charged with protecting the national security. The U.S. Constitution makes it very clear, and literally every single U.S. Supreme Court decision speaking on the subject of the separation of powers makes it plainly evident that no judge has authority to overstep their limited role in deciding merely cases within their jurisdiction and instead to usurp control over a standing President's exclusive role in government.
Frankly, it is shocking that this small little (Obama-appointed) judge in little old NYC (Brooklyn) believes she has more power than the elected President of the entire United States just that she can simply sign something and veto his U.S. Constitutional authority.
I'm not sure why people are not marching on and protesting on Ann Donnelly for her grossly overreaching of power. What if a different judge in a different jurisdiction has another opinion, or 1000 judges all have different opinions? It would be chaos. There is one (1) President for a reason, yet many in Congress and many in the Judiciary. The forefathers in their wisdom realized (just as every nation does throughout the world) that only one (1) person can be in charge of these types of decisions regarding national security and safety of the American people.
What happens if one of these illegal aliens Ann Donnelly vetoed the President on decides to murder, rape, or worse? That's on her now. She is nothing but just a little old district court judges and not even U.S. Supreme Court Justices doing this and it is completely rogue and should be removed from her position and disbarred as an attorney.
This is absolutely outrageous and every legal scholar, independent of political leanings, agrees as it turns the U.S. Constitution and the separation of powers on its head.
>>721676652 Polish people are the same over here. But what amazes me the most is that the third generation is worse than their parents and grandparents who originally came as workers. We have a huge problem with kids of Moroccan descent, who think they can do anything, because the parents don't correct anything that happens outside of the house. Most of those kids speak Papiamentu (which isn't even spoken in the fucking desert but in the Antilles) mixed with Arabic. Street language is their first language and they don't get educated because that's "uncool" in their private society of immigrants. And the only politician we have who points out the problems, Wilders, doesn't offer any solutions, he just rants about how bad islam is and does nothing about it himself.
>>721674688 Yes, and there is a rational way to do it without a) swamping the overloaded courts and b) without papa joe having to pay living wage for the young latina watching his kids, cleaning the house - and his married dick.
But America is the land that solves their "healthcare" system by having people waiting 10 hours in the emergency rooms like in a third world country.
>>721677190 You keep repeating yourself, so I repeat myself.
Why bar travel from those countries, instead of just immigration? These are two different concepts that can be treated separately. Illegal immigration is hardly a problem from the list of nations that are barred.
>>721677107 It's worse than that. She is simply a shill for Chuck Schumer. So in reality, Chuck Schumer, a Democrat from New York, who only represents New York and is easily and notoriously known as the most corrupt member of Congress, has decided he is the President.
Not sure why people aren't making a big deal about this because it really is outrageous.
>>721677915 >People who have dual nationality with a non-restricted country are not affected, so long as they travel on the passport from the other country. >travel on the passport from the other country. >from the other country. So they can't go to the country like a travel ban
>>721677667 corruption=you ameritards this proves it it doesnt matter who you elect, even trump with the balls of steel cannot override your corporate america controlling everything schumer is wall street and everybody knows it lol @ ameritards thinking your liberal infection wouldn't cancer you one way or another please come to be like us in europe and go full muslim lol
>>721678088 Look who it is again, ID Heaven. I'm fed up with your shit faggot. The other day when you called me a newfag, yeah, haven't forgotten about that yet. Fuck you I've been on here for months and probably get on here more than you anyways. Don't you know that you make yourself look like a newfag when you call others newfag? Just because you learned how to hack your name and change it to " Heaven " does not give you the right to disrespect anyone at any time.
>>721678451 >orange retard It's easy to tell the 15 year old antifas from the 20 year old antifas. 15 year olds use the "orange retard hurrr" insult. (If you can even call that an insult). 20 year old antifas use "fuck you fascist nazi!" Yet neither of them obviously know the meaning of any single word they accused others of being.
>>721671861 >>721679798 Except the logic here is completely wrong because the premise is flawed. The premise, that equates people who travel longer distances and have to fly over a puddle with those people being affluent as compared to those who don't travel as far, is simply dead wrong.
Instead, the system works as follows: it is by lottery. Everyone wants to get the green card to move to America. The lottery does not test how affluent you are, or anything else in this way. If you get the American Visa, you immediately leave your dump for America. It has nothing to do with money. You can have all the money in the world in Turdistan and not get a visa lottery.
While there are other forms of visa to the U.S., they are temporary visas, and very few outside of the lottery can lead to naturalization and citizenship. Further, the lottery accounts for almost 92% of all legal immigration on a naturalization path.
Again, your premise is completely false so your conclusion is illogical and erroneous. Europe has problems with integration because it has different laws that affect immigration and naturalization--and quite frankly the "opportunities" in Europe are far smaller for someone who starts with nothing whereas in the U.S., pretty much anyone can become a millionaire or even a billionaire. There is no level playing field in Europe, as is true for most of the world, and this again evidences why everyone wants to move to the U.S.
>>721680142 drain the swamp, as long as its not the swamp he sits in. seems all you have to do to get elected is act like an alpha and make bold promises and nobody pays attention to how corrupt you are
>>721680820 that doesnt invalidate what anon said. even if you were to win this lottery, it cost considerable resources to actually get the the USA, were talking months or even years of wages. the green card is not also a plane ticket.
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