>mfw you didnt understand the chart
Daily reminder that you will never fuck the bunny.
*fixed since OP is an idiot and didn't get Trumps memo
>its gonna be great
Republican senators and congressmen won't allow the wall: exactly because most illegals fly, or take boats to America.
They'll shut him down.
And if they can't, another republican judge will.
>What is the US Navy and Coast Guard?
gonna laugh my ass off when the first boat beaners drown because their raft was sunk by a coastie cutter just inside US territorial waters
Idk where you are getting your "facts" but theres no fucking way that the majority come from planes or boats you fucking idiot.
Have you ever been to the border area? Theres NOTHING down there. They just swim across the rio grande you cuck
Majority of illegal immigrants in the US came in on valid visas and simply never left. People hopping the border are the least popular methods and usually done only by the desperate.
This is why there are no cuban refugees. They can just cross the ocean, easy.
OH WAIT OP IS RETARDED NIGGER
So we should just ignore the other 40%?
it's at a low because the economy sucks...no reason to come here if there's not enough work. on the other hand, it's an exaggeration to say it's not an issue at all...it most definitely is an issue.
what do you dinguses think is going to happen to food prices if cheap labor is cut off?
are you actually gonna pay people to staff a giant wall across the entire border?
because if you're doing that why not forgo the wall in the first place and just stick border control guys at regular positions
Very long drop on other side...gonna hurt.
Lol, have you seen our drones fam?
They give them orders and they do it. No joystick or anything required. How hard do you think it would be to make a turret that does the same thing, just with different orders?
yeah but they obviously don't cover the whole thing
folks often cross over through deserts and shit that don't have any border patrol agents around
pretty sure that would be MORE expensive than hiring people, anon
jose has the answer
actually illegal border crossings are pretty low compared to the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s.
Apprehensions are not border crossings. That's only the number of people caught crossing.
it's the closest metric you can get since it's impossible to count people who aren't caught. I suppose you could argue that CBP have just gotten dramatically worse at catching people over the last decade but I would find that difficult to believe given that the number of border patrol agents has doubled since 2004.
>includes Ireland in non-western sand nigga countries
The wall isn't supposed to stop literally all illegal immigration. Its just supposed to make it harder.
You forget, people are fucking lazy. If they need to actually get something to get across instead of just driving over the border, that stops a lot of them right there.
That and choke points.
Explain the logistics of carrying a 30+ foot ladder (The ladder has to be longer than the wall is tall because the ladder is on the wall at an angle) and then getting over the top of said wall, which is covered in razor wire. You can't cut razor wire, by the way, its got a hardened steel core that even if you do manage to cut through, its under tension so the wire proceeds to lash out and rip your shit. And the whole wire is sharp.
He's got you there fagget, oh wait.
>cookie sitting on a counter unattended
>someone just grabs it when nobody is looking
>cookie sitting in a glass case unattended
>by your logic it's equally easy to smash the glass and grab the cookie while nobody's looking
spoiler: your logic sucks
all americans are really more dumb than I could possibly immagine.
the world is changed, you fuckin mongoloids. It's impossible to have true frontiers when you have people working and living in "your" so-called-country AGES before you even came to the world.
Trump only intrest is to make america better for the rich people, of course including himself into the count.
All the poor sad bastards who make stuff for a living and could not have the chance to grasp a little bit of clarity out of their poor minimal studies could not see this, and they even gave him their preference.
It's like offering your asshole to a transgender hooker. You knew the day before she has AIDS, but still you offer your butt to her/him, willingly.
Being moderately cucked by bankers and .coms was a lot better, tbh.
>people are fucking lazy
This is completely retarded. If people are planning to uproot their lives, leave their family, and leave their home country, they are obviously making a serious and thoughtful decision. It's not like one afternoon they were just like "eh, fuck it let's just go to the US". So no, people aren't gonna see there's a wall now and be like, "oh well jeez, I was gonna make this HUGE move but now since it's a little harder than it was I guess I'm just gonna stay here the rest of my life instead"
>making a serious and thoughtful decision
That's some serious fucking logistics right there
Is this sarcasm or what? Because Mexicans are usually the hardest workers out there. Every mexican I've known worked his ass to the bone and got drunk every night in the process.
I don't see what the big fucking deal is, we need people to do all the shitty manual labor and they're coming here willing to do it for $3 an hour so who fucking cares?
>oh noes they're using tax dollars!!!!11
Oh yeah, all that money they're using up by driving on public roads and going to libraries, what a drain. Too bad any economist will tell you that their tax consumption is nothing compared to how they contribute to the overall economy by working for such shit wages
>walks all the way across Mexico
>gives up at a 30 ft wall
That will sure get them. Oh wait, they brough a shovel and dug underneath the wall like how the cartels used to smuggle drugs. Unless the US government has groundhogs with lasers attached to there head, good luck finding them.
like 40 foot ladder m9. Its gonna be big and awkward and heavy as shit. Its not like carrying a ten foot stepladder.
Point is its hard and you'd probably have to make it yourself, and transporting it is going to be a bitch.
Again, wall's not an unbeatable defense, if people are REALLY FUCKING DETERMINED they can get through literally any barrier, but most people aren't that determined.
but the labor participation rate is lower than it should be. And I'm not talking about stay-at-home parents, retired people, or children. There's still too big a chunk of people who want to work in the U.S., but can't find a job appropriate for their education and living needs
you see, you're retarded.
you are so unlucky you really think racism is still a thing in 2017.
yes, we now, you're a dangerous bastard, a really special guy who really understands how things roll in the world, fuck niggers and fuck every non-white person.
But then, there are numbers.
Niggers in africa are making shit tons of babies, while "white" (more like: richer) countries like Japan and even the same USA have faced a major demographic decrease that will not stop.
Because we live our lives in the modern, selfish way we were thought about by the media, where you don't sacrifice for your kids anymore, and you don't even want kids if not after a certain age, making niggers and poor people a moltitude out of the moltitude they represented even before.
While we speak, millions of people are starving/breaking their backs for a penny, while we think the world will carry us for another 50 / 60 years in the pathetic way of living we dream about.
This is not going to happen, they'll overcome us.
... Everyone will regret these times, because we cannot stop them. We will not be able to, soon.
No matter Trump or anything.
I'm white and economically stable, before you start to scream to the nigger, and all I said applies to me as well. I am a selfish bastard and wish to live through this, I don't even give a fuck.
But when they will rage, I will understand why they will be raping our acquaintancies.
Jobs and economy do have a hand to play with each other but not how you are describing it. If companies replaced most of there workers, they would still have a thriving economy as most of the business dealings are done through other businesses.
You need to go out more.
If anything lazy people bitch BECAUSE of the average spic's willingness to work more, better, for less.
because instead of an entire boarder where someone could cross there's a single entry point that can be fortified
Every refutation of the wall so far has just been
"Well its not perfect so we might as well not even try"
Faggots, literally no defense is impenetrable. There is nothing you can ever build on this earth that will stop 100% of all people attempting to get into an area the size of half a continent. That doesn't mean you can't TRY.
By your fucking logic if I have a boat, and the boat leaks, and I can't patch the hole, I shouldn't bother bailing the water out because it doesn't keep all the water out of the boat.
By your logic, if I lock the doors to my house, and someone breaks the door down, well, I shouldn't lock the doors at all because the door locks clearly don't work against people that really want in.
open borders with Belize and Guatemala... you hafta make it longer
That's exactly how it's going in Europe, no matter what your biased media want you to think.
We don't have guns and we are not locked behind any steel megablazing booby-trapped door. Heck, we are not afraid of basically everything, because here things work in a way that basically no thief is stupid enough to make his way breaking in a household hoping to make out alive. There's literally no point even attempting.
Oh, and before you speak about rapes in sweden or anything else you found on 9gag, that's not true. Those few things you grasp are normality, things that would happen, immigrants or non-immigrants. Only camion crossing over people in poorly protected country is real.
The primary defence for every household in the world is ENVIRONMENT, which means the community takes care of the issues BEFORE they become issues.
People there can shoot whoever they want whenever they want because you'd feel impotent without bringing a gun to the knife fight, because you still have a cow-boy hippie-kay-yay way of thinking.
It's frankly ridiculous, but it's true.
> Thinking that what works on the opposite side of the planet works here
> Special kind of stupid
Literally a whole other world here mate. Also, I was just talking about a regular ass deadbolt lock, if you're so confident nothing bad is going to happen why even have the police?
I mean, the police don't stop 100% of criminals, so they're not effective and not worth the effort either.
The thing is this "door" will cost us the taxpayers millions of fucking dollars, although i doubt you even pay taxes judging by the way you type.
Also it's not like mexicans come here to murder us or commit terrorism. We have way bigger problems than Jon Doe not getting a roofing job because Paco does it for half the wage and is better at it.
Stop being a moron.
Here's my perfect wall
here you go faggots
i call this justice
and what are you going to tie the rope to? The fuckin razor wire?
"No the other juans will hold it"
What about when the last one is getting across?
Again, you guys are assuming that literally every immegrant is just going to be a super dedicated motherfucker that is dead set on getting across. I guarantee you a good percentage won't be willing to do anything other than just drive across the border.
Because humans are fucking lazy.
Again with the lazy remark, how about you actually come up with a legitimate argument instead of just declaring people lazy and that's why they won't be able to get across
People have been coming up with far more elaborate and complicated methods for far more difficult tasks than getting across a fucking wall for hundreds of years, with much inferior technology. Try again dipshit
one of them is the coyote that everyone else is paying to smuggle them over
just now instead of driving a truck through the desert he will drive a truck with ladder + rope + blanked for baredwire to the border
Right now it's just easy as fuck to get across. That's why people do it. There's no incentive not to. If you get caught, you get sent back and can try again literally the same day.
It's a big red herring to act like this is rocket science or that we're trying to keep all immigrants out. It's a fucking wall. It's so people can't just walk across like they do now. If someone wants to buy a boat and sail to Miami, that's just great, we get Haitians trying that all the time anyway, they'll get detained, and either way, the wall will still cut out most illegal immigrants.
The fact that most of these retards think its going to be a physical barbed wire fence is making me laugh my ass off.
Sure, it isnt a perfect solution, but its the only fucking thing thats been done in the last 10 years.
Explain this hillshills
>implying all the people who would have just crossed will just give up altogether instead of finding another way to do it
The wall is a fucking meme and you're a retard for believing that not only will it be effective, but that it's worth the billions of dollars to build it
>implying Mexicans can swim
>implying Mexicans are smart enough to think of swimming around the wall
>implying that Mexicans could figure out how to get past the coast guard
>implying our god emporer has made a error in his almighty judgement.
Get out of here, beaner
There it goes, so you're truly retarded.
1) get rid of the imbecil 2nd emendament. it's silly shit. Every fuckin psycho with a basic control of his shit can legally own a gun and lock you in their basement when they catch you out guard. it's impossible to think you have to live with this.
2) pay the fuckin police: amerilard police is highly trained, but poorly rewarded. No wonder they shoot niggers to spend their time as they find suitable, instead of solving real issues.
3) stop thinking nothing will change because the usa are special. You're quite the opposite of special, you're all what's predictable in the world.
Just mark my words, now that Trump launched the anti-immigrants campain and banned ppl from specific countries, something will happen, and that something will come from those countries in particular.
Damn you blokes, the usa could really become great again, but this is the opposite way you're headed towards.
trump wall 2.0, bigger and better than ever.
If I really was this easily guillable, I would not waste my time on /b trying to grasp how things fares in your country.
I like to do this out of a genuine need to grasp things in a clearer way. I wish you usa fatsoes would do the same, but when I see you visit nobody gives a fuck. You're like always blackout drunk or so poorly dressed nobody would ever talk to you out of fear of being misjudged by our acquaintainces.
I have never been our of europeans outskirts, but when I travel in here I always try to have a basic awareness of what I'm talking about.
Example: I visited Romania, once. I'm pretty far away in the west side, and I've been fascinated by the way this eastern country is trying to cleanse from his filth. The recent political situation was not bright, but this folk reacted in a way I'd never expected from them, I was used to judge them for what I've been seeing in my homeland, mostly figuring them out as thieves or poor fucks. I was wrong.
Travel wisely. I'm getting pretty old, but I never get tired of this shit.
I also think I'll never come to the USA.
I have a particular way of behaving, it's quite dangerous the way it is even here with no guns. I'd get shot in the neck at the first possible spot in your hell of a country. It's not for me, I am honored to brawl and I detest shooters.
> WHAT ARE NAVY SHIPS FOR 5000 alex?
> WHAT ARE NAVY SHIPS FOR 5000 alex?
> WHAT ARE NAVY SHIPS FOR 5000 alex?
nope they buy americans good for cheaper and the will be forced to move jobs back here to complete
we have 100% of the leverage mexico has none
we consume 75% of their exports, thier FUCKED regardless
>bring attention to most illegals overstaying visas
>visas stop getting distributed
>massive hiring of people to begin checking on all previously issued visas
>border agents hired across country to work alongside police agencies to round up visa overstayers
>haha i made jokes about the wall and got the people it mattered to fucked over hahaa
You offer a dumb idea, people ridicule it openly and point out why it won't work and in doing so give you the information you need to actually do something effective.
>mfw Americans will pay for a white elephant wall and a huge border patrol just for the sake to stop like 20 families to cross the border
this faggut spooks a migrained of linguigees
There's already a wall that has holes in it. It just makes it harder for beaners to get in. Around 12,000 Mexican die every year in the desert trying to cross over.Tgats a pretty good money saver if you ask me. Plus if the walls built better we could double the amount of deaths in the desert.
YOUR FULL A SHIT
You don't understand, op, thats not what trump meant by a Mexican border wall.
>like 40 foot ladder m9. Its gonna be big and awkward and heavy as shit. Its not like carrying a ten foot stepladder.
>Point is its hard and you'd probably have to make it yourself, and transporting it is going to be a bitch.
Note to self: build ladder store on Mexican side of wall...
BUT PATROLS WILL FIND IT
CAMREAS WILL SEE BORDER PATROL AGENTS WILL PICK THEM UP AND FLYTHEM BACK 100'S O MILES AWAY FROM THE BORDER, IT EASY WHEN YOU NOT OPEN BORDERS LIKE OBAMA OR sHILLARY
requires more resources and skill to go by sea than by land. Wall is still effective at stopping majority of overland illegal entry, which is the point of it anyways. Not that it matters anyways, most illegals come in legally on their visa and just stay past it's expiration.
Hahaha you get on b to see how things are in our country.. I am sorry but you are pretty gullible. And it sounds like you have a superiority complex and you have made up your mind about us. Life is different here for us we have too many differnet types of people, some people will never get along with others. I know thats sounds bad but it is the way it is.The whole 2nd amendment this. You have to realize any new laws would hurt law abiding citizens. The criminals already have the guns they need, we are at the point of no return. What we have is a thug problem we get the trash from all parts of the world. You shouldn't be afraid to come here gun crime is not that bad as long as you stay out of black areas like New York or Chicago. We are still the wild west in some areas but this isn't a bad country
Just a 12 foot tall double layer electric as in lethal electric is all it needs to be. It does not need to brick or steel. As for the water, just extend the fence along coastal areas with guarded access points on roads and beaches and such.
>1: What are airplanes and boats with valid travel visas
>2: you mean all the mexicans that sneak over the border now? We're at an all time low in illegal immigration over the border you realize.
Are you even from Texas? I nobody born south Austin is this retarded about the matter.
Mexican regulations are not a strict as ours, and what I mean by that is they can use whatever pesticides or fertilizer they want. We get a lot of fruits and veggies from mexico here in Texas and they are trash compared to the ones grown in the USA
Horse shit, you're shopping at HEB and they have Mexican goods they source from places that fall explicitly within American health standards.
Why are you spouting off bullshit to defend a point that was retarded from the start. Are you yourself retarded?
Let me guess your some northern faggot who don't know what he's talking about? Fuck outta here with your bullshit.
Fuck you. I do shop at heb and Kroger, Kroger always has the better stuff. They buy more from Texas farms. HEB does too but not as much as Kroger does. I know what I am talking about I have lived in houston my whole life. I know for a fact you don't know what you are talking about. And how do you know they fall within health standards? You a Mexican farmer
How about I carry a stick of dynamite?
Walls slow people down by 10 minutes. That works fine in Jerusalem, Berlin, and other populated areas, where guards were on side to apprehend/shoot people trying to dig under, blow up, knock down, or climb over the wall.
Which is why there are already walls and fences at the border where they are effective.
It's not going to do shit in the middle of the Sonoran desert.
Mexicans are fucking industrious, a wall isn't going to stop them at all. 0.0%
>like 20 families
you have to go back
lol we, the most powerful military ever, have now developed castle technology! we fart in your general direction, sons of a silly person!
The explanation is that you are a libtard that cant see the benefit of securing a border. There is no way of securing it 100%. But any increased security is better than the way it is.
Just ask mexico. Liberals always seem to forget that mexico does have a secure southern border that they patrol and aggressively deport anyone that crosses it. The only reason they dont want the U.S. border secure is because many illegal immigrants send money back to mexico (money the mexican govt. taxes btw).
The wall is an expensive publicity stunt when most illegals are visa overstays who got through the border legally.
They should fix the interstates or some shit with that money, not pander to Joe in Iowa who's scared of brown people taking Californian crop picking jobs. That'd at least be money spent on something useful.