1) Fuck Nazis 2) You can't respond to thoughts and words with physical violence. You can't physically attack people for something they *might* do. Society breaks the fuck down into totalitarianism when that line of thinking is allowed to prosper.
>>721536727 You can't stop their right to think that an ethnic cleansing is needed. you do not decide what is right to think and wrong to think you controlling freak. It's horrible that they think that but the best way to stop a nazi is to talk and convert them to sanity. How many people being punched has converted them truly? None because it doesn't fucking work.
>>721536867 No it's not you dumb fuck how is what someone else thinking going to harm you? It can't and it won't however apparently your violent thoughts will hurt nazis so technically you are worse than neo nazi's of today since you actually are harming people.
destroying the east india companies import that directly benefits the king is nowhere near comparable to a bunch of Soros funded retards and limp wristed college students burning down their own campus attacking women
>>721536727 retarded message in pic the left is doing some olympic-tier discursive gymnastics trying to label all kinds of statements as calls for violence or discrimination. they are doing that so they can normalize violence perpetrated by themselves and their goons. also, blurring the distinction between ideas and action.
>>721536962 Killing someone for their thoughts is definitely neither peace nor justice. If they take action, totally different thing. But just thinking is literally not hurting anyone, since it's not "doing". But "thinking". Do you understand?
>>721536962 its not about them being whatever its about you taking upon yourself the right to kill in order to something. if you try to live by that principle, people should not hesitate to neutralize you in any way possible
>>721536962 also you completely misunderstood the post you replied to. the thrust was not about values/virtue, it was about thinking and punishing people for it. when people rally to do harm and begin with it, then you destroy them, not before
>>721537108 I wonder if the irony of using ad hominem and spamming the picture with as many lefty-triggering symbols as possible as a response to one single ad hom word is lost on the creator of this picture.
>>721537161 Unless they don't commit it and you can't call everyone who disagrees with you nazis. Also punching neo nazi's of today, many of the people even being punched aren't even nazi's it's only going to solidify them as victims when we need to talk to these people not punch them.
No one stops believing something because you punched them. Not a single fucking person.
>>721537592 It's dick spencer, leader of the alt right. He's an ugly beta who takes pride in being white because he as no accomplishments. He's made himself a public face, so it's gonna get punched by real Americans a lot
>>721537181 enough with one-liners. yeah this sounds convincing, convincing to a doped-out mediocre liberal arts student as it is so poetic yet nothing is clarified. what is this nazism and how did you come to the realization that it is the dominant ideology of the ruling option in the u.s. and their followers? Because they say some mean things? Name me one instance where one of the conservative pundits (as its obviously them who trigger you) called for curtailing of u.s. citizens' political rights based on belonging to a group (racial, religious, political, ethnic, class), let alone straight-up genocide
>>721537712 'leader of the alt'right' I don't remember any alt right elections going on. Lies like this is why people are hating the left and making me have to defend assholes like spencer nobody treats these people like actual humans.
>>721537831 The people claiming that they are 'nazis' without a shred of fucking evidence dude. Those people are saying lets kill nazi's lets beat them up and they beat up people who disagree with them, they're insane to think half their country are nazis when they themselves are acting like facists. Only facists beat people up to enforce their opinion
>>721537422 that being said, it is nigh impossible to build a political platform based on genocide, then moreover get wide public support and then even organize somesuch action. you lefties are only making it easier, trying to wake the beast so your anti-human ideology could hold onto a reason not to wither away
>>721537843 Did I say punching someone is worse than genocide? No because you people are fucking liars and keep making me defend the alt right and people like Spencer who i don't even like for fucks sake.
You are worse than the so called 'nazis' of today despite them not being nazis anyway because they haven't committed a genocide but you guys are being violent you are assaulting people. Therefore you are worse than the nazis of today.
>>721537223 by what means you retard, if you punch them they'll just escalate further at one point most are gonna be armed in fear of getting jumped by antifa monkey's and then it snowballs further into chaos, if you're gonna talk big go kill a nazi cause punching some nigger isn't gonna do shit, but in the end you're all just talk.
what is that faggot ass comic trying to prove?Show me a communist nation that has not commited the same atrocities as the fascists fuck all three of your niggered choices there,they are all poison you dumb fucking faggot neocon
>>721537843 That's just how your brand of totalitarianism starts.
You argue that ideas are equivalent to actions, accusing men of thinking of genocide is equivalent to commiting genocide thus it is okay to attack them violently. Well, then talking about attacking people violently is thus equivalent to establishing a violent, domineering leftist totalitarian state.
By that logic, you must be killed before that happens.
>>721538156 yet in this case he is the one who says he's against it but goes and eats a fucking puppy ten feet away. You're a fucking joke. These people who people are saying are nazi's aren't even fucking nazi's. Name one fucking genocide SPencer has committed? None you fucks, how many antifa/communists/whatever the fuck far left thing they are have done? oh thats right beat people up because they wore a MAGA hat.
>>721538178 >>721538166 >antifa (((steps up))) their efforts >right-wing people start arming themselves >groups spring up to protect people from the left Where were you when the Reds accidentally created the RWDS they so fear?
>>721538178 LOL nice slippery slope. "nazis are getting punched, so they will buy guns and organize themselves and soon there will be another hitler and that's THE LEFTS FAULT!!!" jesus christ, don't you understand? in europe it's illegal being a nazi. because even today, your grandfather cries at family meetings when talking about his childhood under the nazi regime. you will NEVER understand it.
>>721538293 Look at you. Trying to sound like a little smarty pants anon.
Lemme lay some real facts on ya. None of it matters. In oh about 500 years I doubt anyone will even remember the facts of ww2 and the nazis will be even more cartoonishly evil.
But none of that matters either. Entropy is the one hard truth of the universe. So shut the fuck up and enjoy your speck of existence while it lasts my friend. And stop debating people on /b/ of all places.
>>721537843 and where's this genocide? what makes you believe that things would, if you refrained from hitting people over the head, devolve so horribly as to precipitate a genocide? or even better, who told you that? clearly you're not of the type who think and develop models for themselves, you just spew what you heard the cool kids saying why don't you protest actual genocide done every day in the abortion clinics?
>>721538312 dude, spencer speaks openly about white supremacy. in most countries in europe he would be jailed for hate speech. it's just you closet right-winged liberals who think everything should be allowed to think or pursue. there are thoughts that are inherently evil. movements that can only cause harm. and if the government doesn't make them illegal, the people have to fight them.
Leftists are the real issue. Our gov called nazis right wing scum and commies left wing scum just to puppet us against eachother. Never let anybody tell you what to do. If they do it's called fascism and that person should be killed. The hard 'left' now is a retarded open border new world order that promotes Islam and nigger culture, the hard right are hitleresque and confused. Just break the law. The law is always wrong.
>>721538583 I'm waiting for some nut to put on some full body armor, lock and load and start shooting into a crowd of Antifa when they try that Berkley shit again. Since they are using terror to silence Americans, I think Trump should just send an anti-terror unit to exterminate your little commie-marxist-leninist movement. Would be great to get together and mace and cattle prod your asses right back into the Starbucks you destroyed. I hope you all get locked up and waterboarded for 20 years for your little terror stunt. Stop hiding behind your fight against racism crap.
You're all people who grew up with a sense of social relations that are either antagonistic or transactional. Your sphere of desire sets its limits at some reified image of girls and sexual fulfilment and the promised personal pleasures of 21st century technology. Your view of history and collective identity comes from video games and documentaries about the Roman empire and the crusades. The 21st century /b/tard has the smallest and most depressing worldview, and now they trying to shape the world in their image.
>>721538430 nice thought-terminating cliché. >i don't know what to answer anymore so i'll just go full nihilist without actually killing myself to look like i have the moral high ground god that's cringey. it's like losing a game and when your opponent feels a little smug about it, you throw your hands in the air and yell "WOW LOOK AT YOU, YOU FEEL SO GOOD ABOUT WINNING A GAME? YOU FUCKING LOSER GET A LIFE IT'S ONLY A GAME"
>Cries fascism because they lost in an election >Muh Ebil goberment >Not Muh Prezadent >"Protest" by destroying shit >Assaulting people >Shutting down events they dont agree with >Failing to realize they are going to be the cause of Fascism. >Its going to be welcomed in with open arms to deal with the "protesters" >Not knowing what actual fascism is >You're about to know what it is.
Im all for the protesting, but you all do understand, once you start to get violent, its only a matter of time before the other side resorts to violence as well right?
>>721538716 This Kinda. Everyone is getting played. I don't like what the left has become. They are selling themselves out and the ideas they stood for. The elites only have to keep the game charade going until Real Ai gets here.
>>721539176 you realize that people can't go full genocide from one day to the next. before that, they usually TALK about doing stuff, before actually doing it.
so this guy is literally gathering people who think it's good to kill everyone who isn't white. if that doesn't bother you, you're either a closet racist yourself, or you're legitimately mentally handicapped.
What's even more sad is that these idiots think that it's the wytepipol who are the racists and fascists. In reality it's the black and Zionist jews who have created this hysteria in America, and we have the communists who are trying to silence and commit mass genocide against white people, we have become classless and raceless serfs. The white people are slowly becoming the subhumans, the are becoming the Jews in Nazi Germany and the communists will blame it on the police state, when in reality Marshal Law will be brought down on all of us because whites will soon be targeted for eradication by the Commies and blacks. Whites are the ones being turned into the oppressed class, and the reality is being denied and the lies are becoming truth. All it took was a white man beating a white woman politician in American politics. It's a game show. Welcome to 1984 and the Brave New World. I'm going to read The Turner Diaries for the first time. Good luck boys.
>>721536892 Its not about converting them its about driving them back underground so that people can stop seeing them everyday, as if theyre some kind of legitimate group. No. Theyre not. Theyre fucking nazis and a punch is less than they deserve.
And yes i know they have rights but if they are trying to undermine the righrs of others then as far as i am concerned its self defense.
>>721539391 why did hitler burn and destroy important pieces of european history and culturally significant art if he cared so much about wite christian values? also what do you think of a young hitlers infatuation with the idea that had the berbers been able to push on and take germany, then forcefully converting the germans to islam, that germans would then have pushed on and taken the rest of europe to impose islam and could have become the rulers of the world before he was born, if they had of been converted. he was really bummed out about germany not already being culturally enriched by arabs hundreds of years before he was born. kinda weird hey.
exactly.its more controlled opposition.The bible was warped into a tool to control the flock with the advent of the king james version.and the manifesto is just a means to an end.more backwash with little substance besides "be happy with nothing"
>>721539509 if nobody actually ever tried implementing communism, it actually depends on the people not really doing the right thing. also, we all know that communism will come sooner or later. automation and post-scarcity will lead to a lack of available work. our whole sense of purpose will change over the next 100-200 years. capitalism is slowly dying as we speak and nationalism is only a factor as long as the socially disadvantaged people have to fear for their future.
once technology takes away that fear, true communism will emerge.
>>721539779 The problem is in order for true communism to actually work, there would need to be an abundance of resources, to the point of never having want or need. This is why communism is fundamentally flawed. It is human nature to desire and want, its out critical flaw as a species and whats kept us going, wanting more then the other guy.
Capitalism is dying, but not because the reason you think. Its dying because there is no more markets to capture, we are running out of things to produce and make on our world.
As weird and autistic as this sounds, i think the second we get off this rock, your going to see capatalism boom again, and pretty much the emergence of the Caldari State from EVE. The only way that nations manage to survive over the ages to by telling everyone else to fuck off we are full, and take care of their own.
>>721539779 >if nobody actually ever tried implementing communism That's just nonsense since all these incredibly intelligent people did actually try to implement communism. They all failed according to every modern day communist.
So either the manual is fundamentally wrong, or communism itself is an inherently flawed product.
>>721540220 See the biosphere can hold it alot. It's that we're not replacing anything. Over the last like 400 years we've basically mined most of the easily accessible oil. We cut down whole forests and not give a good God damn. This would be fine if these resources weren't finite and running dry quickly. Hell even fresh water is getting to a scary point.
>>721536474 Americans, both left and right cry "rape" while they fuck themselves. Your 'democratic' system is flawed beyond repair. Rework your damn system when it doesn't work instead of pointing fingers at other plebs fucking themselves.
how is it survival if its a dictated system in and of itself?quit larping you psuedo intellectual half wit.people would be nothing more than cogs...less than that actually.AI would just reduce us to oil or something useful to them
>>721536474 calling someone a nazi in this day and age is usually nothing more than a political tool to silence them. sure there are people with stupid or even dangerous ideas who think hitler was a great guy. but starting a nazi witchhunt also affects people who are simply patriotic or conservative wich are not always bad things. free speech in the west tends to be rather conservative in the west nowadays as compared to people who do not want to be offended by anything. nationalism or rather a strong sense of national identity is better than religious extremism, just take take a look at the middle east. far left and far right are in their extremes equally shit, and history shows it.
>>721536474 The Nazis were a group of soldiers in WWII. They no longer exist, save for a few near-centenarians.
Neo-nazis are just edgelords basically. The people you should want to punch are the ones who refer to themselves as nazis, not the ones who believe in nationalism. Maybe if you didn't scream nazi at all opposition the line would be clearer.
Antifa uses fear to intimidate white people and they justify the genocide of white people in the name of equality. They deserve to fought against. America will triumph over stupidity and self-delusion. We will make America great again.
what?entertainment value?you are basing the need of a fucking species off that?god you must be pale.i mean really now anon.That data stream is a mere curiosity that will be trumped the moment its like ".1% ineffcient" or whatever it is they think like then its the outs.no, we would only exsist to serve in some way.probably more like the matrix our vary person being what they need.so complacent and unaware sure.
>>721540821 That would imply first that a computer can even understand happiness, and that it would have to make everyone happy in their own way, because not everyone finds happiness in the same way. Its why the idea of a global government founded through peace would not work, because the laws that one nation abide by dont sit well with another.
If a AI computer controlled our lives, the primary goal would be efficiency and longevity of the species. Meaning those 2 goals are all that matters, which means happiness is a byproduct. It would be easier, take less resources, and energy to just treat humans as a resource and live stock.
Think of it like raising animals, if all your goal is, is to keep a species alive and preserve it, whats easier? Capturing it and keeping it contained in a pen which you can then breed it as needed? Or let it be happy in the wild, were anything can happen.
I will assault a Nazi or Klansman the minute they start expressing their fucked up views. Not just because I disagree with them, but because advocating genocide in any form is beyond tolerating. But you can't just assault anyone on assumptions. Anyone who's proud enough to express those ideals openly needs to be stomped out
>wake up for another day in the communist utopia that has long since been established on earth >go downstairs and make coffee for my housemates from the beans from a cooperative we're partnered with >spend some time on the neo-internet joking with my online pals. zero bitter frog posts >take the free community-operated bus to the earthworks project by the river. >on the bus join in on conversation about the divergent styles being developed by members of our local Poet's Union >enjoy a morning of non-exploitative, unalienated labour helping to construct a bridge >share lunch with the other workers as they tell stories about their romantic relationships, unfettered by the constraints of status, wealth or the sexual neuroses that plagued our ancient individualistic societies >feelsgoodcomrade.jpg
reading this autism makes me hope Spencer actually rises to power and slaughter you all there's nothing wrong with white pride, the only thing we have to not be proud of is the fucks on the left who want to take black cock in the name of racial "equality" to be honest we should still have those subhuman pieces of trash as slaves they've never brought anything to the table in terms of historical contribution and any city with a large black population gets destroyed by crime and poverty white pride
its merely there. and its existence is only a product of my seeing it nesecary i could kill said spider if i like.now that im done with your strawman would tell me if you treat a spider with dignity and respect?do you know what those ideal are?............HUMAN
IN ROUGHLY THE SAME SORT OF WAY WOMEN DON'T UNDERSTAND HONOR FOR IT IS A CONSTRUCT OF MEN >i believe whatever the SciFi channel tells me
>>721541042 If you have a species as compelx as humans wouldn't meeting those two goals through the simplest means, complacency, be eaiser than servitude or forcing? We're not comparable to livestock cause Cows have never staged a revolt against their owners. Slaves have, but not cattle.
AI isn't this rogue thing, yes it is intelligent but it's also designed with restrictions and limitations. If you design an AI without those things then absolutely you're going to get a Terminator situation. But I was never speaking of a random AI appearing. I was saying a crafted artificial intelligence.
that and when it doesnt need us it will stop feeding us so there goes the human race no matter what......i cant help but think this thread started as something else and here we are arguing the psychology of something that does not exist yet.....as far as i know >mfw that last thought
>>721541410 Are you actually retarded? There's loads of cases where people get assaulted without a deadly weapon and respond with deadly violence and it's deemed self defence. What are you even talking about?
>>721540719 I personally am sick of racial and gender ideologues on both sides hijacking the conversation and muddying the fucking waters with their bullshit.
Our national debt is out of control, immigration threats linger on all sides, quality jobs are hard to find, and the middle class is struggling. Then there's the constant threat of Islamic terrorism to put a nice turd on the shit-cake.
What do you and your ideological enemies want to prattle on about? Race and gender.
Seriously fuck you faggots. Fuck every last one of you. The leftists will prattle on about privilege, talk to us about fucking pronouns, and rally to the fucking awful concept of anarcho-communism meanwhile some dipshits on the right will tell us how awesome Hitler is and how oppressed white people are.
You both have this victim narrative and it is bullshit. No one wants to hear it. You can call me a goyim, a jew, nigger, or whatever you want. However I'm not the one subscribed to some victim narrative here. Each on of you are faggots. Go back to /pol/ and wank off to a picture of Hitler. Ethno-Nationalism would not even work in the US for two major reasons. 1) Our country is far too ethnically and culturally diverse to make it work, and 2) our government is set up in such a way that you'd never be able to make it work. It's pointless and stupid to talk about. You and those on the far left are just fucking the conversation up. We've finally have a president who appears to actually want to fix some of these issues and we do not need you faggots fucking up the conversation with your racial-victim narrative politics. I realize you are probably just being a faggot edgelord and probably don't actually believe this shit, but just in case you do, fuck off faggot.
i swear i didnt start this shitstorm i just tryed to quell it and now here we are.started at space commies and now we are "arguing" the dynamics of intelligence's unknown >IE furious masturbation on the future
>>721541294 Yes we are complex, but our complexity would not matter in the face of a protocol.
Think about it, we design some super AI that says, ok keep humanity alive at all costs, be efficient, keep them happy. Unless you design an AI to understand happiness on an individual level. So lets make some assumptions
1) Its a perfect AI, meaning it is virtually human. 2) Its given protocols are to keep humanity alive, be efficient, and keep humanity happy. 3) It can not kill humans 4) It has control over all facets of life, production, defense, power, and food.
So the first problem you run into is a philosophical question, "What is humanity?" to the average human, humanity is us, living, breathing ect ect. But if we have a perfect AI, what is living to it? Its perception of living is being powered on, It understands humanity as being alive in another sense powered on. So then you would need to distinguish that humanity is keeping humans in their base form unaltered to prevent a matrix like scenario.
The next problem is it must be efficient in what it does, recourse are limited meaning in order for it to obtain a state of efficiency its output can not exceed its input. In order to do this, it would need to maintain a population in which humans dont exceed the renewable energy made by the planet. The only way this could be done is via population control, either through selective breeding or sterilization, meaning every human would become cataloged so you no longer are a person, your a number. This then becomes the issue of your a prisoner with the false scense of freedom, which is exactly why i told you to read a brave new world. Everything is superficial at that point, your not really free, your free because an AI overlord is saying you are free. You are happy because its saying you are happy.
you speak of an AI as if its a potted plant or a fucking baking soda volcano.you dont just start a chain reaction of that magnitude IE creating life and expect it to sing and dance the same goddamn tune all the way through its life especially something that is waaay smarter than you at birth.
>>721541578 You do realize our national debt is due to us funding all of the problems that we are facing right now don't you? It's not about race in the sense that one is superior or one is oppressed, it's the fact that we indeed do have an elite class of people that we bail out using tax dollars, and yes the conversation does get muddied by race, but we need to realize that our tax dollars which are robbed from the middle class which the majority of is white is being sent to fight wars in radical Islamic countries that fight against Israel. All the while we have black people and mexican people crying victim when it's the whites that face the violence that they commit, and they commit it against each other. In all honesty, if we legalized cannabis, I think many of our social and labor problems would be solved. Stating facts is not being racist or sexist, stating facts allows us to look at our reality objectively.
Then at that point, are you even human? Is humanity even preserved at that point? Humanity is to be free, to live, to explore to fail to succeed, to live to die. So being a prisoner in a prison that humans created, living in ignorant bliss ignoring the fact everything to do is controlled by a computer. Are you even human? Sure you preserved the human species, but did you actually preserve humanity? We would just be cattle. Trapped in a self made cage with bars made of our own creations.
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