>>721450708 because he is operating in a field of persuasion vs facts. people vote based on emotion (persuasion) and justify the reasons themselves. every move is about crafting, maintaining, or posturing his 'character'. democrats are willfully ignoring this or misrepresenting it to turn the faux outrage/hysteria into momentum in 2018. it would be much more successful of them to claim trump's victories as their own, or at least attach themselves to it.
>>721451202 But examples were provided. Such as him lying about being in perfect health while he is obviously obese, he lied about having a full head of hair when it's obviously a combover. He lied about how popular he was
>>721450708 >>721451125 His health is fine, his hair is real, and although he might've not had as big of a turnout for the inauguration as Obama (900K vs 1.8M) , it was still a larger turnout than most past 2 term presidents.
Calm yourself, he hasn't lied as bad as 3/4 of politicians, and has so far been one of our most transparent and open presidents, continuing to stick to his campaign promises.
>>721451125 >great health he is for a man his age >size of inauguration it was larger, turn CNN off >illegals voting they did, 600,000 confirmed but probably more >lied about his hair it doesn't even look that fucking good, whats the big deal? its real. >The list goes on for pages >pages hmmm
>>721451721 You can also truly tell the legitimacy and impact a person has based upon their opponents. Trump had everyone in the govt. against him, the global elite, pundits, nearly every Dem paid off news source, and near the very end his own damn party.
But his backers? The working class, the people in college fed up with SJW bullshit being crammed down their throats by their professors, and those who want their country to be safe and not turned into a festering cesspool like the European leaders have done, and what Clinton and the Dems wanted to do.
Fuck these faggots rioting in Cali and NY over the immigration moratorium, fuck these pansy ass sheltered celebrities who have had everything handed to them, and finally fuck these other countries for shaming us when we want to prevent whats happened to them from happening to us.
>>721451721 >campaign promises or comments On President Obama Trump called Obama the worst president in history and the founder of ISIS, among other things. Now he has “great respect” for him and looks forward to his counsel.
On Protesters Trump went from maligning protesters as “professionals” “incited by the media,” to loving their “passion for our great country.”
On ObamaCare Trump called to repeal and replace ObamaCare. Now he is cozying up to many of the provisions that define the program.
The Border Wall Trump was insisted that an actual wall be constructed along the Southern border (paid for by Mexico). Then on 60 Minutes he conceded that he would be satisfied with a plain old fence.
Gay Marriage Before the election Trump told Fox News he would appoint judges who would reverse the recent decisions on marriage equality. After the election he told CBS that the matter was settled law and he was “fine with it.”
Hillary Clinton Trump’s asserted that he would appoint a special prosecutor to go after Clinton and throw her in jail. Now he’s telling the New York Times that he doesn’t want to hurt the Clintons.
Immigrants Prior to election day Trump was adamant that all 11 million undocumented residents would be rounded up and deported. Post election day he is saying that his deportation force will only target a couple of million criminals
Fighting ISIS Trump once demeaned the military and famously claimed that he knew more about ISIS than the generals. More recently he has changed his tune to tribute saying “We have some great generals.” Although he later reversed that as well, saying that they aren’t getting the job done.
Nuclear Proliferation During the campaign Trump advocated for countries like Japan and Saudi Arabia to defend themselves with their own nukes. After taking heat for that foolishness, he tried to pretend he never said it.
>>721452625 (cont) On The Electoral College Trump denounced the Electoral College as a “disaster.” Then praised it as “genius.” Then went back to saying that he was “never a fan of the electoral college.”
Trump University Trump refused to settle with his former students who said they were victims of fraud. Until after the election when he settled for more than $25 million.
Climate Change Trump once called it a hoax created by China. And it wasn’t caused by anything humans have done. Now he says that “I think there is some connectivity. Some, something.”
Paris Climate Agreement Trump declared that he would pull the U.S. out of the Paris Climate Agreement. But last Tuesday he told the New York Times that “I have an open mind to it.”
Torture Trump held that torture was an effective tool for fighting terror and that he supported waterboarding and even tactics that were “much stronger.” But he is backpedaling on that position after having met with General Mattis
The New York Times Along with many other media outlets, Trump castigated the Times as liars who were bent on destroying him. He rarely said their name without attaching the prefix “failing.” But in his meeting with them he called them “a world jewel” for whom he has “great respect.”
>Obama its called general respect for your opponents and recognizing the good they've done, plus he was extremely unprofessional in being biased toward his own party and speaking out and attempting to sway the American people when its his job to stay out of it and let them decide on their own.
>Protesters He's stuck vehemently against protestors and their volent nature, but has given the peaceful ones credit for being patriotic and using their freedom of speech to speak out against what they believe is wrong.
>ObamaCare He's stated multiple times during his campaign that Obamacare was flawed and that he wanted to impose a better form of healthcare.
These are only a few, but there are so many points against everything you're stating. Turn off CNN and make some critical and logical decisions instead of cherry picking the already cherry picked ones.
>>721451294 He said he was in literally perfect health. Look at his weight. Man is obese. No getting around that. He claims to still have all his hair. I've seen what it looks like when the wind catches it. He claims the turnout for his inauguration was as big as Obama's, satellite photography and metro statistics say otherwise. It goes on for days. Do you not have eyes?,
>>721453397 >Turn off CNN and make some critical and logical decisions instead of cherry picking the already cherry picked ones Actually, I'm British and all of those were from the BBC, which hardly has a dog in this fight.
KellyAnne Conway has already been caught with "alt facts" and even inventing a massacre. >But that's not Trump........ No, but it's his team.
>>721450708 they aren't trivial things his entire campaign ran on the appearance of success if he hadn't been able to trick people into thinking he's a vital, virile, popular *winner* then they wouldn't have voted for him
>>721453996 >blaming Brexit for multiple outbreaks of violence and reporting on non-existant hate against Muslims. Are you British? Because, sad to say, some of my mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging countrymen are doing just that. They're even tellling Polish workers to "go home", and putting pig's heads on mosque steps.
Sometime |I'm ashamed to be human, never mind British. What the fuck happened to our sense of fair play and stiff upper lip?
And those are only a few. I haven't seen anything in France but I know for sure that the Canadian shooting was a tragedy, but that those events are extremely rare and whenever they do occur are often blown out of proportion by the media to try and create some sort of "prominent racist culture" when in fact its far from reality.
>>721455253 Not everything, but there are more false allegations that true ones. What about all of the rioting and disruption on a college campus because of a Jewish student drawing a shit swastika in the bathroom and saying it was a Trump supporter?
I'm not sure I understand your point. If you're saying that a President should have a higher moral standard, then you're s.o.l. They're a group of people who have self selected to be in a position of authority over others; that's insta-garbage right there. Tell me your favorite president from Obama back and we can point out straight up executions of unknown people.
>>721455832 No president has ever lied this much. My point is that this is insanity. Clinton lied about a blowjob and I found that upsetting. Trump lies about literally everything. It's not even a question of morals. How are we supposed to trust this administration? It's like living in North Korea. Next he's going to claim that his gold toilet is only for pissing because he has no butthole.
>>721456165 No, mostly FOX or out of country news sources, but from time to time I do go and read a few of their articled but make sure to check other sources as well. The only thing from them I fully support is Milo.
>>721455508 You mention four examples spread over many countries, some with unclear or tenuous links to actual refugees. That's what is meant by "rare" and "blown out of proportion".
Over 12,000 people were murdered in the US in 2013, to put some of these thing in proportion. Over 33,000 were killed by guns in the same year. The things you mention are terrible and shouldn't be swept under the rug, but the Berlin attack, for example, wouldn't even have even raised the daily murder rate in the US by half.
>>721456199 We were. Because the Trump supporters were losing, they've used classic diversion tactics to move onto a subject that his opponents might not agree on, then proceeded to divide those opponents and get them fighting each other. They then shut up and watch, smiling.
The thread has long been torpedoed; I just worry about the ones who didn't realise what was going on - they are the vulnerable ones.
As Jonathan Swift said >Besides, as the vilest Writer has his Readers, so the greatest Liar has his Believers; and it often happens, that if a Lie be believ’d only for an Hour, it has done its Work, and there is no farther occasion for it. Falsehood flies, and the Truth comes limping after it; so that when Men come to be undeceiv’d, it is too late; the Jest is over, and the Tale has had its Effect…
>>721456384 Because I don't approve the president lying about shit that shouldn't even matter? It's the fact that we can't trust these people. Trump is the most egregious so far. He makes Nixon look honest
>>721455743 I could try and scour the web for all of the examples, but its true that there are more purported hate crimes against Muslims that turn out to be false, many of which that are reported to the media but not to the police. Feel free to do some searching of your own, but the false accusations outweigh the real events.
>>721454062 >thinks climate change is a threat You must be a weak individual if you don't think humanity can survive weather changing. Let's just assume climate change is real and happening, for your sake. If you think climate change is catastrophic, I don't understand why you would, because there's 0 evidence it would be. The temperature has risen an average of 1 degree Celsius in 100 years time, while the CO2 apparently has risen 100%. If anything, the data should show you that it's not a big deal, that CO2 does not affect the temperature and weather that much. Even if it did, we can overcome it. We populate deserts with 120 degree summers, and even the far poles of the earth. We can grow plants with LEDs in small containers indoors. And you think climate change is a threat?
>>721457116 Here's one article for you. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/23/sorry-haters-a-handful-of-hoaxes-doesn-t-debunk-the-hate-crime-reality.html and I think you are in danger of, or guilty of perpetuating, the myth that there are more false claims than real claims. There aren't. The fakes tend to hit the headlines - for various reasons. But the numbers are orders of magnitudes in favour of real crimes, but the real crimes are just in the statistics.
I'm no bleeding heart liberal, but we need to deal with facts and there is an ugly resurgence of racism, certainly in my country.
>>721457728 I will agree that real hate crimes are often and are a horrendous thing, but one must also understand trends as well.
Putting fake hate crimes aside, the amount of real incidents has been around 867 reported after the inauguration. That number drops to around 741 (primarily Hispanic and Muslim) when you remove the "Anti-Trump" and "anti white." Now in 2008, after Obama's Inauguration, in the 10 days that followed there were around 556 reported hate crimes, and removing a round number of about 120 drops that down to 436 hate crimes reported (primarily centered on Black Americans).
A larger margin, yes, but people see reporting these as a way to guilt trip others into sympathizing with them against an "enemy."
What I am saying, is that with such a large amount of claims against such a controversial and hated person by a specific side, the amount of false accusations against them will rise as well.
Its a sticky subject and I am most definitely against any sort of hate and discrimination towards anyone, but you also have to understand the smear mentality that the Left has taken to try and inflate their numbers to make them seem larger even if by a small margin.
>>721457512 Yes, Muslim extremists, but not necessarily refugees.
>And what are you trying to point out with gun homicides? They're dwarfed when compared to overall causes of death and murders.
That these attacks are a relatively small threat, and that if the goal is to save lives, there are far bigger problems. As you say yourself, guns aren't even the main cause of death in the US. Terrorism is a problem, but it is the poster child for "blown out of proportion". Trump could probably do more good for Americans by setting an example and losing some weight (and that's not a cheap "lol amerifat" joke - health issues linked to obesity make guns look harmless).
In terms of actually stopping terrorism, Trump is probably doing the best things he could do to create more terrorists, both inside and outside the US. Instead of making people hate Americans more, I think it's worth considering how much affection would be won in the long term by a welcoming approach. You might think that's worthless, but I honestly believe there is more power in being liked than in being feared, and American culture is a far stronger force than the US military. People who fear you will still fight against you, but it will never even get that far with people who like you. Compare the treatment of Germany after WW1 to the treatment of West Germany and Japan after WW2, for example. Or look at how many failures the US has had in trying to scare people who hate them into submission around the world in the last 60 years or so.
Agreed on all points in your first paragraph. However, with the idea of a brief ban on immigrants from highlighted "dangerous" countries and then resuming allowing in immigrants and then taking on refugees with a better vetting process like Trump is attempting to do would result in a better outcome than Europe and the EU's "welcome all" policy and overall decrease the amount of terrorist attacks in the US. As for your second, I think that he's really only picking fights with the ME and ISIS. Verbally he's not being nice or as presidents in the past have when it comes to foreign affairs, but he's critiquing and calling out other leaders where they need to be. Increased trade and better relations will most likely soon come, its only been two weeks.
>>721453397 I watch every news channel and read articles from breitbart and huntingdon post. I like to see both sides and reference their claims to peer reviewed research. The conservatives are being sold a lie. It's painfully clear and it has been to most of us for at least 10 years. How well did you do in reading comprehension? Are you higher educated? How you ever completed a 12+ month research project? Chances are you're just not intelligent enough to interpret all the data coming your way.
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