The left is trying to push socialism in the united states? Why? Why are they pushing for socialism? Whats wrong with capitalism? I'm here to explain that for you. The left wants socialism because socialism rewards laziness and passivity. Think about the typical person you know that is on the left. Likely, they have shitty aspirations. They are trying to get a music degree, a art degree, and women's study degree or some sort of liberal arts peice of shit that will be worthless. People on the left have zero marketable skills by choice. Think about those on the left who don;t even attend college. They work at starbucks and mcdonalds and claim that everybody is racist and that's why they can't move up in life to make excuses for why they are so fucking pathetic. The truth is there is nothing wrong with capitalism. There is just something wrong with the left. Anybody ever notice that anything the left says is an attempt to brow beat somebody so they can steal something from somebody else. PEOPLE ARE RACIST GIVE ME MONEY AND BETTER JOBS EVEN IF I DON'T DESERVE IT MEN ARE SEXIST GIVE ME MONEY AND A BETTER JOB EVEN THOUGH I DON'T DESERVE IT CAPITALISM IS MEAN GIVE US THE RICH PEOPLES MONEY AND BETTER JOBS EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T DESERVE IT everything they say is an attempt to guilt you into giving your money and hard work away to someone who doesn't deserve it. If you make shitty decisions then deal with em and stop putting your problems on other people.
Fight back and let the left know you aren't gonna put up with their shit.
You can call me a racist, sexist, bigot. But at least I have a job and work hard and i'm not trying to steal from other people. The left is a bunch of brow beating lazy thieves.
>>721444610 Your little redpill shit is boring. You're just another snowflake who thinks he's got it all figured out and everyone else is stupid, and you get mad whenever someone triggers you. Not much different than a libtard
Capitalism is just fine, when it's tempered with a little Socialism. Pure Capitalism is extremely Darwinian, Pure socialism is super oppressive. You need a little of both to offset the bad qualities of each.
>>721444610 Do you insure your car? Do you insure your house? Do you have life insurance? If yes to any of these, why? Why would you want to make yourself poorer paying premiums that other people can benefit from? Why not just go pout and use your stuff?
>>721445996 you do realize you would be paying for the same thing in taxes. Except likely you would be paying more. Also if i buy a $3000 car and a $50000 house why should i be paying the same in taxes to cover my insurance as someone with a $300000 car and a million dollar house. Clearly you lack a concept of market and fairness and that's what socialism destroys. Please don't ever vote. jesus christ you are retarded
>>721445272 not ad hom my point is op never even read wealth of nations and has no idea what capitalism is a lot of the things libs propose has to do with stoping rent seeking and adam smith explained the importance of regulating markets
>>721446069 because in capitalism you have the ability to own your own means of production. You can start your own business and market yourself to other business's as someone with valuable skills. In socialism the government owns the means of production and they try to allocate resources to the people. This has been shown to fail miserably time and time again. Free market is a better allocation of resources and it allows people to better market their skills and make money. Resources go to where they are needed based on how much people are willing to pay for them and they are instead not wasted by where the government says they need to be. People who work hard can make themselves valuable, they can make themselves marketable or start their own business in a capitalist economy. In a socialist economy you are punished for working hard and making more money. They tax you heavier and deincentivise you from trying to be successful because the more successful your are the more that is taken away from you. In a socialist economy those who do not work hard or strive to do better are rewarded with free things from everyone else who is working hard. It incentivises people to not work. This is exactly why socialist economies fail. The farmer has no incentive to make more crops. The house builder has no incentive to build more houses etc. Then people say they have no idea why people have no place to live and no food to eat in socialist countries.
Oh and if you wanna use a northern european socialist country as an example just remember that they are all white and have zero niggers mooching off the system. Remember that. To admit that an all white socialist country is the only one that works is to admit white people are superior. and yet capitalism is still better because for example america is playing with a handicap. Our economy has socialist tendencies because of the left and they are handicapped by all the niggers that mooch off the system.
>>721447219 you are just mad because you lost. Stay mad You have yet to bring a single argument to the table you just question other peoples intelligence and brow beat them. Not interested n talking to you unless you say something interesting
>>721445067 so you believe roads, schools, bridges, dams, etc are free game for the private sector too i suppose? >i sincerely wish all of you bootstrap "Muh Capitalisms" faggots would do two things 1: Understand we dont have a capitalist society, We have a Corporate Kleptocracy edging towards outright Oligarchy. 2:just kill yourselves
>>721445188 And the same for capitalistic ideas punishing working people. Most industrial societies are mixed economies. For certain industries central control create the best benefits and others a free market is the way to go.
In a particular sense, SJWs are really advocating pure competition by wanting to remove the "lottery of life" privileges from individuals. Pure competition is the best way to obtain the emergent properties of the free-market. Similar to how conservatives argue for small business and a marketplace for healthcare with competition.
>>721447683 But that healthcare insurance will cover your own medical needs as well. You pay for a part of that road, as well as other people do. All of them and you yourself use it. You pay for a part of the healthcare system, as well as other people do. All of them and you yourself benefit from it. It's absolutely the same.
>>721447948 further explain how SJW socialism is good for society. I want an in depth analysis. The lottery of life stuff is bullshit. If you give a bunch of money to your kids and they never learn anything or work hard all that money will be used up pretty quickly and they will have no to pass on to their own children. Books balance themselves
>>721447992 >but the finer points of economics is usually lost on cons So is common sense, when a company has a guy paid to bribe the political parties in power so they get the best deal possible (see Comcast and local monopolies as an example) that isnt Capitalism
>>721448239 if only 5% of the people that claim to be hardcore capitalist would pick up wealth of nations and thumb through it they would realize that right wing media advocates for rent seeking not capitalism
>>721446890 I was ready to have an honest debate, until you started in with all the "niggers dragging us down" shit. Its just complete rubbish, and doesn't hold water. I grew up in the southeast. There are acres upon acres of trailer parks full of poor whites that don't want to work. why is it only the "niggers" that are dragging us down? Also, we are entering into an age where there are going to be massive disruptions in the job market due to automation, there aren't going to be enough jobs for everyone that wants to work. what answer does pure Capitalism have for them?
>>721448219 >this is what ANTIFA actually believe ironically When morons decide what is "helping", the government and the people in power win because they have the moral authority to take more and more. We're well beyond the somewhat reasonable aspects of socialism but you're too stupid to see that.
>>721448239 People who pretend that capitalism is a complete failure because the people in power are corrupt are morons. They never should have had the power to rule most of the things they rule but Supreme Court decisions made by activist judges over the decades have destroyed the checks and balances system. It all started when Lincoln killed states rights and it's gone rapidly downhill since then.
>>721444610 The truth is, there is no capitalism. There is cronyism or plutocracy though. And that is only beneficial to ultra rich. Which you are clearly not. The only viable sustainable way is socialism, which, to be honest though, is not realistic, since most people are egotistic, greedy assholes, who only think of themselves. Hence, there is no future for humanity
Here's an interesting point for greedy socialist cunts to consider. The U.S. is the last bastion of right-wing ideology in the entire fucking west. If you want to live like a cuck, MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE. We will kill you all if you push us. Remember who has all of the guns.
>>721444782 Well stated, i disagree to a extent though.
If you want to do a bunch of drugs, eat like a dumpster, and drink like a fish. Is it rest of the communities issue? No.
If you are working 2 Jobs to support your kids because you lost your spouse or your spouse vanished and then you get cancer and you need Chemo then you should be able to recieve free chemo. For the sake of your children, your 2 employers, and you, a hard working adult.
Having socialized health care isn't bad, and having public hospitals for Emergency situations isn't bad either. I don't feel like my tax money should pay for the fuck ups of America who are getting sick and diseased by stupid decisions that most of the world would say "Is a bad idea". Wear protection when you have sex, make healthy decisions for consumption, and be careful in every day life.
If you look at the anti-trump riots you can literally see my point.
We have people lighting themselves on fire, burning possibly dangerous trash, and using air horns that can damage ear drums as they bash in windows with sharp glass and jump on cars.
>>721448503 Capatilists are terrified of that conversation. When Automation fully hits (literally 10 to 20 years away if that, fuck we have cars that drive themselves now) 90 million are going to be out of a job. Do we tell them to fuck off and go die in the ditch?
Quite simply, capitalism is not equipped to address the economic changes we are seeing nor is it able to adapt. Technological changes has ushered in a era when there will be fewer and fewer jobs for more and more workers. Capitalism cannot address this imbalance as it's goal is to concentrate wealth regardless of social imbalance as that is deemed most efficient. Either society or capitalism is doomed to fail. Both cannot coexist in an era of rapid technological change.
>>721448423 the problem is the private sector was not making healthcare affordable...so the market responded by hiring the gov to do this...that is what happens when the private sector fails to provide for demand...the public sector winds up providing the supply...its simple econimics
My sociology professor keeps pushing the idea that we need to rise up against capitalism and that the closest we ever came to overthrowing capitalism was Occupy Wall Street. She's still in her 20's mind you.
>>721448830 Says who? Technological advancement means products become increasingly cheaper and cost less. You're describing a leftist fantasy that will never become true. You're arguing science fiction, you fool.
>>721448779 you really are an uneducated Trump voting idiot, aren't you? Right ideology is DEAD. Most of worlds wealth belongs to a handful of people and its concentrating into lesser hands. So your trickle-down economy is BS and dead a long time ago.
>>721448527 proof the rightwing are nut jobs 1 Thought a TV personality would make a good leader of a superpower, Granted both choices were shit 2 Fails to see that America is not a Capitalist country and hasnt been since the late 50's 3 Fails to see why basic's needed for life should not be controlled by private interests 4 Thinks divisive polices like "The Wall" or the "Muslim Immigration Ban" are anything except theatrics 5 Still yearns for an America that never was and never will be
>>721449131 Hey remember all of that food you can go buy for nothing at the store? Remember the AC that's on you right now? The cheap vaccines that keep you from dying? The cars EVERYONE has? Rethink your ignorance before it's too late or you'll get the rope too, nigger. Capitalism has helped everyone regardless of how much you want to shut your eyes.
>>721444610 There is a difference between regulated capitalism and socialism. Also, social programs paid for by taxes should not be a problem, as long as they are not the only option allowed as it is in Venezuela. Here is the US you have social mail delivery via USPS. The catch is there are private alternatives that operate as competitors to the US Postal Service, e.g. UPS and FedEX. ACA is/was a noble idea, but implemented in the wrong way. It should have entered the market as its own insurance programs in competition with the major carriers. Make the private companies compete with the federal program and not just with themselves.
>>721449290 I'm not debating about past achievements, I'm saying that it was in the past and now things have changed, capitalism as it was imagined by Keynes or whoever is dead and if you're too blind to see that, then by all means, go vote for a billionaire, who definitely will stand for small guy's interest.
>>721449205 Fair enough. As long as you're not an open borders faggot, you're still an ally.
>>721449152 Who is "you"? There were good people on both sides of the fight but evil won and created the authoritarian nation you see today. Only morons haven't figured that one out by now.
>>721449444 >i'll just say something stupid because i'm wrong git gud, fgt
>>721449451 Very few people owned slaves in the South. The Civil War wasn't about slavery. It was about the rights of individual states to resist authoritarian control and determine their own futures. You've swallowed all of the public school propaganda and then you'll turn around and bitch about how public schools fail us all because people come out having resisted the brainwashing in rare cases.
>>721449543 Keynes was the faggot who said the government needs to be doing more to influence the economy, not less. This is more proof you have no idea why you're wrong. Go learn something and stop being stupid.
>>721449534 Way too ignore the fact that even the lowest rungs of society are better off today than most rich people were 100 years ago. Move your goalposts and change the argument all you want but you cannot refute this point. >muh zero sum game waaaaaaah
>>721449240 >thought a tv personality would make a better leader then hillary clinton. Fixed that for you >fails to see america is not a capitalist country Never said it was, all i;m saying is that it doesn't need to be any more socialist then it already is. It's blend of capitalism and socialism is off base. IT needs to be slightly more capitalist and certainly not any more socialist >fails to see that basic needs aren't provided without incentive to provide them. Hence capitalism. >thinks divisive policies that keep people from blowing me up and mooching off my hard work are acceptable. Yes I do >still yearns for an american that never was and will never be Hillary's america. correct
>The left is trying to push socialism in the united states?
To provide for those who cannot provide for themselves
>Why are they pushing for socialism?
They believe in human compassion and decency or some shit
>Whats wrong with capitalism?
It places the profits of the many into the hands of the few; It's disenfranchising for th eindividual and creates an unsustainable consumerist driven market
>I'm here to explain that for you.
Oh good. We are all so stupid and you are so very wise.
>The left wants socialism because socialism rewards laziness and passivity.
Socialism does not reward laziness; The system is base don everyone working together to provide for those who cannot provide for themselves. In theory. But just like any other socio-economic system, it is flawed and exploitable.
>Think about the typical person you know that is on the left. Likely, they have shitty aspirations
Or they don't. The world is huge. My closest leftwing buddy is a steel worker. My other left wing buddy is a cop. Don't pidgeonhole poeple based on mems. It makes you come across as somewhat ignorant.
>and that's why they can't move up in life to make excuses for why they are so fucking pathetic
>The truth is there is nothing wrong with capitalism.
I respectfully disagree
>There is just something wrong with the left
The left of what? The centrists? Anyone more left-wing than the centrists are a little bit wrong? What do you feel about those on the right? Personally I feel that they are a bit cynical but do go on.
>CAPS LOCKS CRUISE
Control for cool. Quite right.
>everything they say is an attempt to guilt you into giving your money and hard work away to someone who doesn't deserve it.
Like the government? Right on brother, I am with you man. Fuck the government. Fucking state controlled mafia. We need to govern ourselves man. Fight the power! Are you sure you are not also left wing?
>>721449750 the rate of healthcare inflation went down tho...the rates are going to go up because of inflation...but the rate it was inflating before affordable act was unsustainable this is truth that gets left out and it is a truth that insures that you cannot simply repeal affordable act without replacing it with something at least as good or something better it is one thing to say there could be better...it is another thing to say affordable act caused insurance rates to go up...that is not true...inflation causes that...but the rate hc was rising dropped dramatically after obamacare
>>721450272 Your forgetting the dems threatened to tax benefits for the working class forcing the employer to decrease benefits for their workers, that's what happened in my case, we had amazing healthcare not so now $60 a week and $4500 deductible
>>721450312 I don't fail to see that. Trump was elected because he made himself the most recognizable candidate and played off of working class Americans' fears and prejudices and instead of doing literally anything helpful Hillary went and shot both her feet off and told the young people in America they didn't matter for shit and so most didn't vote. This wasn't a purely single-factor disaster of an election. It was a shit ball rolling down a hill of shit and Hillary spent the whole time fucking herself over.
>>721444610 A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how many people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green, Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed the people who made the components that went into it, it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the wires, it fed people in Decatur IL. at Caterpillar who make the trucks that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it from the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the dealership and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't know how many people it fed.
That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality. When you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them dignity for their skills.
When you give someone something for nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of value.
Socialism is taking your money against your will and shoving something down your throat that you never asked for.
>>721450676 >dems threaten tax middle class link or it didn't happen....people lost their good healthcare all the time before obamacare because employers switching providers just because your employer switched providers does not mean obamacare is to blame
>>721450733 Most of Trump's attacks were totally legitimate points. The overall "America First" message was never going to be beaten in an even remotely free election. Hillary lost despite endless help from the media, the current administration, bureaucratic forces working against the server investigation, and illegal foreign money as well as interference by major social media (see Facebook/Zuckerkike). Don't forget that even a large sect of teh Republican Party tried to sink Trump and people on the left used that as an excuse to tell us why he was a bad pick because they were terrified of him ending their corrupt game. She had every advantage and still lost. Sorry, 'bout it.
>>721448210 >>721448210 Won't bother about lottery of life. What job will baron trump have at age 50 vs some third world cuck?
About "balancing the books", what kind of time frame does that occur on? I tend to agree that equilibrium is reached at some point but it can take longer than a human life time. We ok with change on that scale but not everyone is. Example: why bother resisting black cocks? They are already breeding out white people. A wall won't change how much white women need thrid world, real historical original man, sperm to impregnate their fertile prescious, chaste wombs.
>>721449874 Really? So black ppl on foodstamps today are still better off than most rich people 100 years ago? Are you talking about medical achievemets or what are you talking about exactly? Nobody is arguing that capitalism and competition per se has lead into great achievements, but it's not capitalism any more, its cronyism, wealth is not trickled down to Joe the Plumber but into pockets of few billionaires, can you comprehend that?
>>721449023 It's takes fewer and fewer to produce the same output. It's not about cheaper production, it's about number of labor inputs required to produce. To your point, if no one is working, who is purchasing?
>>721451397 making roads is a service that needs to be regulated by the government because it by itself is not a profitable business yet provides benefit to the whole of society. Healthcare on the other hand is a profitable business and by allowing the free market to compete in a profitable business you improve healthcare quality and lower healthcare costs. Thanks for playing
>>721449966 Really? Look at a picture of an auto factory circa 1960 vs today. Few workers, many robots. The numbers of cars produced globally have skyrocketed since the 60's with far less labor units. It's not cheap labor, it's that technology allowed global use of resources.
>>721444610 >implying people who happen to be on the left don't have a job and work hard >implying people who happen to be on the left are trying to steal from other people >implying some conservative figureheads aren't the fuel tycoons who don't care how many hard working Americans die trying to collect natural gas
>>721450892 I would have voted for Bernie and then commited voter fraud to vote for him again. I ended up voting for Johnson, I was in the booth and literally could not force myself to put a check by her name. >still can't believe you crazy faggots voted for the Cheeto though
>>721450764 of course the main issue with that is that the board members take the largest slice of the profts; yet did nothing to build the corvette in the first place
Also, socialism is not taking money against your will. All you have to do is declare bankrupcy so you don't need to pay income tax. I am no economist, you will have to ask our president on the exact details but it is perfectly acceptable not to pay tax in this country.
Worst case scenario, just route your income through lichenstein or panama or soem shit. That way you don't have to give a single one of your hard earned dollars to those mooching scumbags.
I mean, never mind that 54 cents of every dollar sent to the fed is spent on the army whereas 24 cents is spent on welfare, spread across veterans benefits, housing, education and healthcare.
>>721451266 The figure that will appear on the 2011 Form W-2, which you’ll receive in 2012, is only for informational purposes; it does not mean that the benefits will be taxable.
>The tax on benefits doesn’t arrive until 2018, >when insurers must pay a 40% tax on the >portion of employer-sponsored “Cadillac” >health-plan benefits Sorry according to your source that does not explain why your employer changed providers however I will concede your point...yes obamacare disrupted healthcare market and employers began changing providers...and yes some people got screwed...however I stand by my point...this was not a new phenomena...employers changed providers and screwed people before obamacare too...but yeah I can see how you might feel. Does not change my main point though...that healthcare inflation was actually reduced by affordable act healthcare inflation was unsustainable and will be again if there is only a repeal without replace
>>721451771 Look at that factory from the sixties that is now in Mexico, check the vin on your car where was it made,if here how many parts you think are made here? I work in a factory, only work we have lost has gone over seas
>>721451278 You're blaming the right for being essentially brain-dead racists. I never said you liked Hillary, just that your argument that she lost because Trump essentially conned America is ignorant and ridiculous.
>>721451400 Who says no one will be working? Plenty of people will still be employed to handle tasks like designing systems and repairing broken machinery, or at least controlling the tasks that the bots are performing. The far extreme of that reality, one where literally all of society is handled by and controlled by robots and robots controlling other robots is an interesting thought to consider but we're nowhere near that point in the timeline. Even once we are, there will still be work to be done by human beings no matter how little. Once we get to the point where there is one guy producing everything for a society of billions at fractions of a penny apiece, then we can talk about basic income. It's not going to happen until then, at least not in this country.
>>721451355 Are you implying black people don't have every advantage to succeed and do something for themselves in the current system? Are you implying the scholarships and the welfare are not enough to help a generation get themselves off the ground, find decent jobs, and raise good kids? You sound like a racist to me. The richest are getting richer but it shouldn't matter to you unless you're a butthurt faggot. Your life is better now than it comparatively would have been 100 years ago. If you can't admit that, you're in denial.
>>721451734 >Healthcare on the other hand is a profitable business and by allowing the free market to compete in a profitable business you improve healthcare quality and lower healthcare costs.
What lower healthcare costs? there are so many middlemen in healthcare that costs have risen well over the cost of inflation for decades do you even read the news? Protip:Breitbart and Drudge are not the best sources
>>721452041 In my area, don't know about others, some employers, including my own and both of my parents', did everything in their power to make the change as disruptive as possible because they were pissy that it happened at all. Living in Georgia is great.
>>721452234 so tell me how making healthcare free eliminates the middleman. What the fuck doe the middle man have to do with anything. By making it free nobody has an incentive to remove the middle man. By making the markets compete the middle man will be removed by businesses who seek a low price to attract more customers Keep trying
>>721452168 When everyone either thinks you're lazy and not trying to become a neurosurgeon, or lazy and will never amount to anything, it is somewhat hard to do anything with your life. Regarding the scholarships; money itself, doesn't make people smarter, or give them the information or wisdom they might need to move forwards in life in, what to them, might be a meaningful way. Money doesn't do anything in virtue of itself.
If you gave a young minority a large grant, and told them to go get an education, the odds of them coming out of the institution with a job and a directionality in their lives shrinks drastically, as does it for any young individual who, most likely, has little to no understanding of the world ahead of them.
What you did anon, with regards to "racism", is considered a common misstep.
>>721452580 You need everything spelled out for you, huh. I'll make it simple. Healthcare may be cheaper to provide than it used to be, but because it's private sector and a high demand industry, there's no fucking way they're going to provide it for minimal profits. Not all the time, but most, healthcare costs are astronomically high because hey, people who want to not die will pay anything, even if they can't actually afford it.
>>721452522 >most welfare recipients are working households...they are not being robbed of the dignity of work they are quite often robbed of the dignity of knowing where their kids next meal is coming from. >thats ok cause we got Capitalisms
>>721444610 As someone who lives in a socialistic country, I agree with you. However to some extend, socialism has a few good sides, not related to motivation or laziness. Free and good healthcare is quite nice, as most people deserve to live. Free and good education is nice, so that social status doesn't affect how far in life you can get, only laziness does. However, people of low social status tend not to use it as well as other, which I personally blame laziness for. Also, while we have it to a much too strong degree, social security to a lesser extend is quite nice. Not being completely fucked and homeless if you get fired is nice, being able to live a completely normal life without a job is too much. We unfortunaly have the latter, so some people live entirely normal lives doing nothing, as long as they accept that they wont have money for much else than just living.
The benefits of socialism requires that they are as good as the privately funded means of other countries, or it gets completely pointless. The security net gives everyone a chance, but I disagree with the current strength of ours quite a lot.
Good socialism is hard, and close to nonexisting. Living in Scandinavia, we are close to good. Not close enought in my taste, but mayby we will get there. And it goes well with capitalism here. But in the Scandinavian sense, im too far right-wing to be socialist.
>>721452825 It is pathetic seeing/listening to anyone make excuses at this point. If all of the money they get isn't enough to help them, they should fail. Go observe black parents in public and try to convince yourself that it's my fault those kids don't succeed. Ghetto trash will never become anything but ghetto trash.
>>721452870 There are better jobs in places like Northern MI where a Job as a prison guard that pays 10 an hour is considered a earning career? >autists like you should have been swallowed by their mothers instead of conceived
>>721452870 they will probably hire the public sector for that too eventually by way of min wage increase...again if the private sector does not provide the supply for demand...the market will find a way...invisible hand bra
>>721452863 or you could let the free market work it's invisible hand. One healthcare company who wants to make more profits then the other can lower it's price. This will pull more customers to that healthcare company thus turning more profit. The other healthcare providers, weary from the loss of profits have to lower prices as well to compete. Quit acting like the healthcare system is some sort of alliance conspiracy against you. because if they were they wouldn't make any money. The free market would let somebody come in and break that shit up so quickly their heads would spin. Stop creating conspiracies to make your false beliefs unflawed. Even if there are all hiking up prices everybody is still gonna pay for them through taxes in a free health care system and oh guess what! no the have even more incentive to jack up prices because you don't see how much it costs anymore. You been provided with a real, educated logical answer. Lets see how you choose to respond. Ad hominem or strawman this time?
>>721452991 Yes it was inflating, my employer makes millions off of its medical device division, and they screamed the loudest about the health care cost, but they still made billions every year. It's a double sided scam health care providers produce record profits while still increasing rates even now under Obamacare
>>721451734 >Healthcare on the other hand is a profitable business
You see, this is why the country is fucked.
Healthcare is much cheaper in every other country other than the US. Why?
Well yeah. Filthy pinko commies that they are, these other developed nations believe that by investing money in the elctorate; i.e provide them with helathcare and education, then they will create a healthier more productive workforce that in turn will generate more tax revenue.
It's a long term project, sure. And it's not hugely profitable, no, Unless you count your wealth in lives saved or some gay bullshit like that.
I personally am looking forward to the day when only the super rich will have money to pay for healthcare, leaving the rest of us to develop mutations whilst rolling around in the toxic wastelands of the industrial landscape. I want some Necromunda up in this house, know what i am saying?
>>721453117 But you're missing the point, in being that getting a series of digits on a screen accredited to your name, doesn't make you >smarter
You are not suddenly the owner of a PhD if you received $50. I encourage you to throw money at a dog until it can speak.
And to oversimplify the pitfalls of children that belong to black parents, simply because they have black parents is absurd; there are reasons, not a sole reason, that ghetto trash will never become anything but ghetto trash by the by. The majority of the reasons are the very same that explain why frequent heroin users are often homeless, or why people actively decide to go against society, and find themselves on the street.
>>721453137 "Things have changed" isn't an argument against the current system. The things that have changed have mostly been anti-capitalist. You're not making any kind of specific point whatsoever. There is a rational argument against the existence of almost every arm of the federal government yet no one seems to care. States should be sovereign and create competition and the Constitution should be taken literally to prevent oversteps. It's really that simple.
>>721444610 It's just sad how you only think about money. You perspective about money just shows me how poor your motivations are, how middle class, blue collar, average education and average performing you have IRL. You're just another piece of shit every day normal guy who still thinks is special and is gonna become the next billionaire. Do your self a favor and keep dreaming in your shitty cubicle for the rest of your days while real capitalists evolve.
>>721452989 >>721453344 >>721453380 If your location doesn't have jobs, move Everybody didn't move to California for the weather. It's worked in my life, or should we just give up on a good life as you guys advocate and wait for the government to give us a handout
>>721453472 well I will concede Trumps point of lowering barriers of competition...but I still think the pre-existing conditions should not be denied coverage so I would like to see that kept in place. I sincerely hope they repeal and replace with something better...and not just repeal thanks for not being a dick about our discussion it is refreshing to talk to a person on the right that is not a smug dickhead
>>721453780 I've had two different leftist faggots in my life recently say "not everyone can just pick up and move!" Their arguments are running out. They can't even fathom the idea of states' rights and how competition between allied government in such a sense could benefit all of us greatly. It's pretty fucking funny to watch in real time.
>>721451901 And the compliant is? More money should go to the fed than to the welfare of lazy fucks. Following the law ids in unlawful. You only need to pay, tax wise, what the law requires. Don't like the law? Try to change it, not blame those that have the foresight to use it. Without those board members the corvette would never get built in the fist place and no one gets a piece of the pie at all.
You're entire spill boils down to, it's not fair whaaaaaaaa gimmy gimmy!
You're the type of mother fucker I walk over to get ahed. You will always settle for less, you will always feel incomplete. Loser.
>>721453639 >getting a series of digits on a screen accredited to your name, doesn't make you smarter. you are right it doesn't make you smarter. It is a test of how smart you are. Until you find a better way to measure it, stop being a faggot. >You are not suddenly the owner of a PhD if you received $50. I encourage you to throw money at a dog until it can speak. Comparing dogs and black people. Honestly i'm not even sure what you are trying to prove here.
>And to oversimplify the pitfalls of children that belong to black parents, simply because they have black parents is absurd; there are reasons, not a sole reason, that ghetto trash will never become anything but ghetto trash by the by. The majority of the reasons are the very same that explain why frequent heroin users are often homeless, or why people actively decide to go against society, and find themselves on the street. The entire fucking reason black people are doing horribly is because you treat them like an overbearing mother. you tell them whenever they mess up. "it's okay, they are just racist sweetie, they are just bad mean people who want to keep you down" Holy. Fucking. Shit. If somebody told me that everyday while growing up I wouldn't try to work hard or better myself either. But then again liberals want blacks to do bad, keeps them voting the way they want them to
>>721453915 Bro I lived in a Trailer for 10 years, I flipped burgers, I moved on to installing flat roofs, then welding, now a machinist, yeah no money to $100,000 a year, man up and do something about your situation Tell me how hard your life is
>>721444610 Public education National highway system National Parks Home mortgage interest deductions Child care tax credits Public money used to build stadiums Having exemptions on tax returns for children FDA OSHA Tax credits for businesses
Just a few of the many socialist concepts we embrace every day. Any "pure" system will be a failed system, only a hybrid system that attempts to maximize the return on assets (capitalism) while still striving for maximum benefit for the maximum number of people. Don't forget, the first line of the Constitution says the government exists to "promote the general welfare".
We don´t need Socialism. But we have to reform the capitalism, so that EVERY human beeing has the opportunity, to live in the way the wanted and dont get slaves to the market. We should quit with the compounded interest, and should try other methods to reduce costs for loans.
Btw: Its poor to put laziness and socialism in one league.
>>721454722 lol >conservative say private sector is best >competition is better complains about socialism when forced to compete with public sector because it is hired to do jobs private sector refuses to get done
>>721454399 The Constitution can be amended and it has been many times. The reason the Founding Fathers never anticipated such a lefty shithole was because they originally intended only heads of household to vote, not every nigger in a two-generation family of 20. The law has been warped so heavily over time that the original design is almost worthless at this point. We need a restart and getting back to states rights may only be a dream but it is the correct one to strive for.
>>721454378 Idk but it's disgusting. I hope his ANTIFA friends castrate him for it. Absolutely sickening.
That's funny, asshole, because all the progressives I know, myself included, are working white collar jobs full time, support families, and are trying to simply see the country improve for everyone, not just themselves.
Or, put another way: just because you are a lazy piece of shit projecting onto others, doesn't mean we are too.
>>721454867 yeah and state that want to leave the federation can mint their own damn money too...see how long that shit lasts red states get by on the wealthy blue states and then complain about handouts
>>721454229 I am the dick in the ass. I'm the hated one, the one that see's the rest of you as working meat to my benefit. I don't care about anyone but myself. I realize the futility in trying to make the world a good place. I realize the ultimately meaningless to the entirety of life. I'm gifted in that you're discomfort, your misery, hopelessness, dwindling dreams and shorted goals is my fuel to happiness. The more suffer, the more I gain. The more do not benefit, the moe I do. I am the anti-you. I am the mountain climber, and you, the common, are the mountain under my feet.
>>721454879 post a photo of yourself. I fucking dare you. I don;t need to see your face but I do wanna see that you aren't a white women with blue hair and tats that weighs about 250. I simply just don't believe you. include a timestamp and bur out your face or some shit. Don't be a faggot this is your chance to prove me wrong
>>721455119 Red states are the ones most full of niggers. Your research is faulty. This is like the argument that America isn't safe because gun related crime is X nationwide but pretending that a rural area isn't safer than anywhere else on Earth while the inner cities aren't worse than war zones. We call Chicago "Shit Congo" for a reason.
>>721454176 I have a better way of measuring it. It's called an IQ test. It's not the best way, but it's better than measuring how good your brain functions by how much money you receive.
And, I wasn't comparing dogs to black individuals. I was comparing dogs to the concept of a somebody, anybody. The aspect of a person, or an identity belonging to an individual. Dogs can be this, because you often name your pets, and they often display levels of intelligence that necessitate some aspect of a sense of self, and possess basic intelligence nonetheless. Also, a brain. Which, apparently, can be improved by the mere presence of paper or digital credit. I wasn't even the one who brought up the specific mention of black individuals. Why can't this individual, who allegedly can be made smart by being given money, be white? Or hispanic? Or asiatic? Why black?
I never said black in >>721452825 or >>721453524 so much as made reference to the implicit suggestion in >>721452168 which mentions >the scholarships and the welfare (are) enough to help a generation get themselves off the ground and that >>721453117 >If all of the money they get isn't enough to help them, they should fail Which seems to once more imply that money equals intelligence in virtue of the money being accredited to you, notwithstanding how you got the money, or why you have it. And look, there's the first mention of black, since we want to focus on black than any one minority.
>>721454176 >The entire fucking reason black people are doing horribly is because you treat them like an overbearing mother I'm black. There is such as thing as putting people on a pedestal, you're right.
I hate it.
And all of those asspats help no one learn anything worth learning. But you can't refuse to confront when someone like me is called ghetto trash, or worthless, or lazy, despite having an education or a job, or aspirations. Or a head on their shoulders. I don't excuse anyone's actions or words because "muh black" or "muh white", or whatever have you. That's bullshit.
So it's great for you to make these assumptions and prove one of my points, whilst I had never even mentioned anything about myself prior. I was the stereotypical white leftist tumblrina, right?
Whereas in reality, as I said, I'm expected to either be "one of the good ones", or "one of the bad ones" by those who are just as misinformed by the paradox of tolerance and other unhelpful, knee-jerk notions that some aspects of society peddle, as they are because they, quite frankly, have never met someone like me, possibly ever. I'm a new thing to them, and their perception of what I appear to be from the media, positive or negative, doesn't help. Specifically because it doesn't speak for me. I might have dissenting opinions from the other guy or girl who looks like me and yet all of those things I could say or do can be invalidated by the perceived majority. That, is nonsense.
I'd probably have to take a step back and break it all down to really highlight what I find wrong with what you're posting. And quite frankly, it doesn't need to have anything to do with "muh black", for me to discuss it. I don't have to use that card over and over without actually engaging you on the subject. People shut down and do that all too often. It's loaded terminology.
So, was this a shitpost, or do you really want to have a dialogue?
>>721455680 Anyone else realizing the merits of combining libertarian individuality with the national identity created by fascism? On the surface, you'd think they are an oxymoron and incompatible but I genuinely believe the perfect society is one focused on the power of the individual with a small but powerful federal government doing things like keeping shitskins out and protecting the economy from foreign powers. THAT is what we need to become.
>>721454115 holy moley, did you not eat your cornflakes this morning mr grumpyface?
Right, so I am not complaining about anything, just pointing out that in the capitalist world we have built, the people who profit the most are those who do the least amount of work in producing the final product that our consumerist economy needs us to purchase (lest the whole system come crashing down).
If time is money, the people putting the most amount of their time into something are generally the ones who are rewarded the least.
But yes, of course board members are needed to produce a car. As are project managers, marketing executives, brand designers, image consultants, social media gurus, etc etc.
But really all they do is sell you the car. They do not build it.
We haev built an economy around selling, not so much around manufacturing, and those are the guys you are paying when you buy that shiny nice car. You are paying them for selling you a product.
But again, if you do not want the government to spend your money on other people, just don't pay tax. What are they going to do, arrest you?
This is Trump's America. They can't arrest you for not paying taxes. You have your rights, the same as anyone else.
Just explain to them that you don't want your hard earned money being spent on niggers and illegal immigrants and I'm pretty sure they will understand your case.
>You're entire spill boils down to, it's not fair whaaaaaaaa gimmy gimmy!
What argument? That the best way to avoid paying tax is by routing it through lichenstein? To be fair, its a pretty weak argument, I have no idea how tax evasion works. Again, ask the president. Hopefully he'll release a guidebook or something for idiots like me.
>You're the type of mother fucker I walk over to get ahed.
I have no idea what that means, but if you are walking over me then you have to move quick. I fly out to about 6 countries per year
>>721455759 this. Funny how the whitest states go blue. Seems like they don't know what its like to live with a bunch of niggers. Also you't think that the states with the most white people would vote in (according to liberals) white peoples interest. But according to liberals the states with the most white people vote in minorities interest. Because that makes fucking sense right? Liberals stare their own hypocrisy in the face and don't even realize that the only reason they vote blue is because they don't understand what they are voting for.
>>721456261 You realize that you are, right now, a self-proclaimed liberal defending the rich elite 1%ers that you claim to hate, right? You're not arguing for the white collar backbone of the country. You're arguing for Wall Street and big business. Feel smart still?
>>721455971 if they have never met someone like you what makes you expect them to believe you exist. If you are black and you contribute to society then I like you. If you are white and you contribute to society I like you. If you don't contribute to society and act like a faggot or a nigger then yeah I don't like you. Stop getting all bent up over a word faggot. You can call me a cracker and I honestly won't care because I know I am a decent member of society
>>721456348 I wasn't hoping you'd make refernce to that, but I'm glad you did.
Let's post the studies that came with that infographic. Because in this image, I don't have any information about the sample size, or the possible bias, or the margin or error, or the time at which the study was undertaken. Or what populations from which regions of what country was sampled. In fact, it looks like this is version 1 of an analysis.
Version 1. Surely, nothing is wrong with doing things once under the guise of the scientific method. And surely, you can tell me why you were hoping I would say what I did, and tell me what conclusions I am supposed to take from this infographic.
>>721456574 Show me how. IQ does not in of itself rely on income or education. It is dependent on your capacitance for memory, and then by extension your ability to use that memory to problem solve or utilize tools to solve problems you have never seen before. IQ correlates with those things, sure. You can't throw $50 at an IQ test and pass it 100%.
>>721456683 >if they have never met someone like you >what makes you expect them to believe you exist Me existing in front of them, physically. Otherwise, nothing.
But I'm not bent over a word, I'm not even sure if bent is the right word. I just had a bone to halfheartedly pick at with one of the replies in this thread, because it's /b/. Specifically, people who get bent over how someone like me might look, than what I bring to the table.
This is actually demonstrably wrong in cognitive science...thinking problems are not made easier by monetary incentive
offering a person money to do better on an iq test does not improve that person score...if there is any correlation it is actually the reverse...money incentive makes thinking problems harder to concentrate on
>>721456668 The only self-made 1%ers are artists (produce nothing of value to society except entertainment and pander to the left to maintain their relevance) and technology boom people like Zuckerberg who proclaim their liberalism but push for TPP and the like behind your ignorant backs because they want a one world government and cheap labor so they can live like kings forever. They're worse in reality than conservative 1%ers any day of the week and they all supported Hillary, you Wall Street champion. Care to rationalize that or are you aware it's another losing point?
>>721456825 Did you walk away for like 20 minutes? We're talking about race, not technology.
>>721457112 You missed the point entirely. The universally agreed upon answer is that black people, as a whole, are pathetically unintelligent and cannot overcome their situation because they are entirely incapable of doing so regardless of how much the white man tries to help them.
>>721444610 >brow beating lazy thieves Oh. You mean the bankers who charge exorbitant interest rates to loan money? You mean the CEO (never done an honest day's work in his life) who outsources jobs, destroying the local economy, and gives himself a huge bonus for doing it? You mean douchebags like you who don't understand that taxation is THE PRICE OF ADMISSION. Don't like it? Pack your fucking bags and hit the road.
Public roads belong to US. Utility services (should) belong to US. Every natural resource belongs to US.
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