>>721444028 > a wizard casts spells to create world > runs out of mana on 7th day > writes a book about it with a ton of wrong facts > asks you to worship him eventhough he doesn't do anything anymore Much more logical
>>721444028 OP you keep bitchen about this like you don't want to believe it. Just accept the Fact that you are going to die and never experience existence again in any form. Make the most of your life now because this is all you will ever get.
The universe did not come out of nothing. Energy is not created or destroyed. There was a singularity. If you can not wrap your tiny, child empress mind around that then go play pokemon fuck or something. Otherwise study and learn something. Read for fuck sake.
>>721444028 Do you honestly believe that one man is thought to live for millions of years and then just makes everything? Do you honestly think that somebody is actually walking on top of clouds above the Earth as it would be completely impossible? Oh, and the fact that there is NO PROOF at all, that God exists. I only believe in stuff that has PROOF, such as ghosts, or aliens. Another thing, the Big Bang was a fucking theory, you dumb fuck.
This thread was opened yesterday already. Fuck off, religious piece of shit. We don't know, how everything started. The big bang is a theory and it's more likely than a fucking Santa Claus Deluxe, who shat our world in 7 days, so that he can make millions of niggers starve before they reach the age of 5.
>Kaguya appears out of nowhere and creates chakra and change planet so she can live there. >Gets a son who creates the moon >Descendents worship them as a god >Are actually just some aliens >Doesn't stop retards from worshipping
Jesus' entire 3.5 year ministry is a satire of The 3.5 year campaign to take back Judea after the rebellion of 66AD.
Jesus starts on the shores of lake Galilee, so does Titus, where they both turn their followers into fishers of men.
Jesus goes to Gadara and finds a man possessed by a legion of demons. Titus' army goes to Gadara and faces a legion possessed by one man (according to Josephus.)
Jesus and Titus wander Judea for bit and they both end up in Jerusalem 3 years from the start of their ministry/campaign.
Jesus prophecies Jerusalem encircled by a wall. Titus encircles Jerusalem with a wall.
Jesus prophesies gnashing of teeth. The Jews of Jerusalem are eating animal dung and human flesh to survive.
Jesus prophecies the temple being destroyed. Titus destroys the temple.
At passover Jesus offers himself up as a passover lamb. At passover a starving mother named Mary kills and eats her son as her passover sacrifice.
Jesus is crucified, and is let off the cross by Joseph of Arimathea. Titus crucifies the populace of Jerusalem and Josephus bar Mathias(aka historian Josephus Flavius) arranges to let two of his friends down.
Jesus is entirely made up. He never actually existed. Jesus Christ is just a title that means "savior messiah," it's not a name. There are actually at least 3 "Jesus Christs" being referred to in the Gospels. The joke being there were already so many Jewish Messiahs running around first century Judea it couldn't hurt to add a few more.
The last "Jesus Christ" is the one that appears alive after the other two "Jesus Christs" died on the cross. The "Jesus Christ" Christians worship today is Titus Flavius in disguise. The Father they worship is Titus' father Vespasian Flavius. The Holy spirit was added 20 years later when Titus' brother Domitian became emperor. So the Holy Spirit they worship is actualy Domitian Flavius (aka the wicked spirit.)
time in non linear that's why atheistic fags cant understand it and invented the big bang... religion is a bunch of metaphors and cultural traditions that are in-fact good for society. atheistic fags are retards with no culture so that want to make them selves feel important by calling everyone else stupid. Religions people are much more interesting.
Black holes, they have a mass so great, that their gravity pulls in light. It's safe to assume, that at the core of these things, is an ultra dense ball of matter.
Now, let's scale things up a bit! A big enough star, will collapse into a small black hole eventually. At the center of galaxies, are what are known as, super massive black holes. But what if we keep scaling it up? What if we make a giga ultra nigger black hole? What would the matter at the center of that be like? We know, thanks to grade school science, that matter really doesn't like being pressed up against each other. They'd rather be doing their own thing. But with such massive gravity, there is no excape! Or is there? What if, and bare with me here, what if.... the big bang was a ultra giga nigger black hole hitting a critical mass and... wait for it.... IMPLODED! That implosion, which is fueled by matter trying to escape the massive crushing pressure at the core, was the big bang. The reason the universe is still expanding, is because our host black hole, is still sucking in more matter.
Yes All the galaxies are seperating from eachother and the most distant are redshifting. If we dont look far enough to actually see back in time to the beginning of the universe soon it will become too late.
>>721444980 A popular argument for the simulation hypothesis came from University of Oxford philosopher Nick Bostrum in 2003, when he suggested that members of an advanced civilization with enormous computing power might decide to run simulations of their ancestors. They would probably have the ability to run many, many such simulations, to the point where the vast majority of minds would actually be artificial ones within such simulations, rather than the original ancestral minds. So simple statistics suggest it is much more likely that we are among the simulated minds. And there are other reasons to think we might be virtual. For instance, the more we learn about the universe, the more it appears to be based on mathematical laws. Perhaps that is not a given, but a function of the nature of the universe we are living in. “If I were a character in a computer game, I would also discover eventually that the rules seemed completely rigid and mathematical,” said Max Tegmark, a cosmologist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). “That just reflects the computer code in which it was written.”
>>721444028 Just because you're too stupid to wrap your peabrain around doesn't mean it's not true or at least a viable theory. Many people who are way way smarter than you have come before you and have decided that this is the best explanation we have at this point, and it's a pretty damn good one.
>>721445211 that literal interpretation, Think of it in terms of a monk saying it or a Buddhist. Its basically just saying you should just be a good people and have kindness in your heart . But no you atheist take everything to the extreme and blame religion for everything smh.
>>721445483 ideas from information theory keep showing up in physics. “In my research I found this very strange thing,” said James Gates, a theoretical physicist at the University of Maryland. “I was driven to error-correcting codes—they’re what make browsers work. So why were they in the equations I was studying about quarks and electrons and supersymmetry? This brought me to the stark realization that I could no longer say people like Max are crazy.”
>>721445541 yes but it is fundamentally flawed. Physics as a science is flawed in many ways . Take the strong nuclear force for example. As Einstein said the idea's not crazy enough. Its non linear so there is no beginning but the human mind and our education system thinks of everything having a start and a finish. but if you think about it the universe is infinite so it having a beginning or an end is ridiculous. But human arrogance demands an explanation. God is to easy to understand. Science is a great way to pretend you are superior. Most people are religious. aesthetics are the minority report.
>>721446239 One thing that raises many scientists' suspicions about the nature of the universe, is just how well it all seems to work and, what's more, how easily we can put it all down in the form of equations.
We tend to take it for granted that the universe is governed by a set of immutable laws. We give these names like thermodynamics, gravity, magnetism and relativity, but these are just our ways of quantify the strict set of rules that reality appears to follow.
Another thing that is based on a strict set of rules that will always yield the same results if given the right input, is code. Computer code.
Could it be that the reason that physical laws are so computable (E = mc2, for example), is because that's the way it was programmed?
One rock-solid way of refuting the claim that the universe is a simulation, would be the discovery of uncomputable physics, something that we can't quantify with maths. Can you think of any?*
>>721446481 Speaking of a perfectly programmed universe, another thing that bothers people is the fact that the universe seems to be perfectly programmed to allow us to live in it.
Any minor adjustment to any of the physical laws, and the universe could never have formed in the first place. If the nuclear strong force was just that bit weaker, matter would fall apart. If gravity was much stronger, stars would collapse in on themselves in seconds.
This, however, hasn't happened. The universe is not too hot, nor too cold, it is juuust right.
The Anthropic Principle is the philisophical stance that the conditions of the universe are constrained to that which life can emerge. The explanations for this range from the multiverse to intelligent design, but one of the possibilities is that the universe is fake - a simulation created by another being.
If you were a computer programmer (maybe you are), and you were designing a virtual universe to run, you would probably code for the conditions in which life would emerge too. Otherwise it would be like playing The Sims with an empty house.
This is all very well as part of a philosophical debate, but what about the evidence?
You just went full retard. The odds, the sheer unfathomable number of variables that exist. It would be retarded to think that for one, we're alone in the universe, and two, that the universe was made for us.
>>721446571 After thousands of years of wondering whether we're all just part of the matrix, one group of scientists think they might be able to come up with some more solid evidence.
Silas Beane and a team from the University of Bonn, have calculated that, if the universe is indeed a simulation, we should be able to spot certain artifacts from the underlying lattice that it is built on. When we simulate universes ourselves (at an impossibly tiny scale of course), we also use a grid structure to keep everything in place.
The key is in cosmic particles. As these rocket around the universe, they spread themselves across a spectrum of energies. There is, however, a limit to the amount of energy these cosmic particles can have, and there is a steep drop off after this amount. This cliff, according to Beane and his colleagues, is remarkably similar to the kind of cut-off you get when running a limited simulation with an underlying grid.
If the grid is there, Beane et al reckon that they should be able to pick up evidence of it by observing the way these cosmic particles scatter when they come up against it.
>>721446571 I've heard that philosphy before, but christ if it isn't kind of naive. We hardly understand physics enough to determine that without a doubt any change in physics would be unworkable. So the stars and life as we know it wouldn't have formed in the particular way they did, but that hardly means that there wouldn't still be stars of some sort, and that life couldn't have, in some form or other, developed.
>>721446762 So if the universe is a simulation, it must be an immensely powerful and complex one, right? You might even think that the universe is far too intricate to be the result of a simple string of ones and zeros.
In fact, it's really not that difficult to give rise to an immense, even infinite, amount of complexity from a relatively simple set of rules. John Conway's Game of Life is an elegant demonstration of this.
This game, which was programmed in the seventies, has only four simple rules, but is capable of producing complexity, stability, annihilation and even infinity. Altering those rules also produces some incredible results, there's even a tumblr dedicated to it.
Now, nobody is implying that every time you play this game, you create a simulated universe, but it goes to show that complexity can indeed arise from relative simplicity.
Some digital physicists are even inclined to see the parallels to this in particle interaction in our universe. At our most fundamental level, the universe arises from some very simple "building blocks" that are governed by relatively few laws.
>>721446481 everything is fractal and everything has spin, Indeed it seem mighty convenient that the laws of psychics are perfectly set up to create the universe. Like you say if the math was off even slightly it would expand to quick and we would fly off into space or gravity would be to strong and we would smash together. Basically we won the mathematical lotto. Science has a theory to get around this that there are many universe's and we just happen to live in the right one. I like the idea that has been metaphorically coded into religion, Basically the universe has consciousness and is self aware. we are a part of this and if you take certain psychoactive substances you will understand this.
>>721444028 I don't understand it neither do you... the difference between you and Me i didn't choose fiction time with short cuts to wrap my head around it. Tell me this if there is a God why doesnt females consist of just a torso with 3 holes? Why do they have a mind and its all about giving men shit and what the fuckery?
>>721447011 It might seem like a pretty out-there hypothesis, but what if creating virtual universes is a natural progression of a technologically advanced society?
We are currently in the process of creating ever more complex simulations ourselves and, considering the progress we've made in just the last half a century or so, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that we'd be able to simulate complex, thinking universes soon enough.
For this not to happen, we'd have to either end as a species (or at least end our technological age) or somehow lose interest in the idea altogether.
Now, with this in mind, consider the probability of our species being the first in the history of the universe to achieve this. If it is an inevitability of a technological society, then it is wildly unlikely that it hasn't happened before, perhaps even many times - perhaps we're a simulation within a simulation within a simulation.
To break this down to numbers, even if we make the fairly modest assumption that this has only happened a million times in the entire history of time and space, then there is a one in a million chance that we are the first. However, this means that there is a 999,999 in a million chance that we're one of the simulated universes.
This is the argument that Elon Musk made not so long ago, when he stated that, in his opinion, the chances that we're not living in a simulated reality are a billion to one.
>>721446818 Okay, for this one, forget everything you know about simulations, computers and virtual reality. Just because the universe is a simulation, doesn't necessarily mean that it was programmed by an intelligent being. It's possible that our physical universe is actually a virtual reality, created by a quantum reality.
Since the advent of quantum mechanics in the 20th century, the properties of the physical reality that we not only take for granted, but take as self-evident, have started to make less and less sense. They do not work with quantum mechanics, and every one of our attempts to unify them have failed.
Quantum reality, on the other hand, proposes that the quantum world not only exists, but also calls our physical world into virtual existence. You're not so much a brain in a jar, but an illusion created by quantum laws.
>>721446687 you don't understand the point . Even physicists admit the fact that the chance of the laws being set so perfectly are one in a billion. yet here you are standing with your divine structure as explained by da vinci's Vitruvian Man. But you still don't get it ?
>>721447469 Sticking with quantum realism for a moment, there are a couple of aspects of physics that make a lot more sense if you think about them as products of quantum virtual reality.
Einstein's famous twin paradox, for example, in which time dilation can cause one twin to age much faster than another. This isn't just a weird product of some complicated maths either, time dilation has been objectively observed in the real world, but how could it be physically possible for time to run at different speeds in the same universe?
The answer is every gamer's worst nightmare: Lag.
In gaming, time slows down when the servers are busy, moving at a different rate to others' time. In the "real" world, time slows down near a large gravitating mass, or at high velocities, suggesting that it is virtual. If reality is busy processing huge amounts of gravity or velocity, it might only have a small amount of power to spare for the passage of time.
As well as time dilation, dark matter and even the curvature of spacetime are also thought to be potential indicators of our quantum overlord.
>>721447630 We tend to think of the universe as a smooth, continuous structure, but its is actually split into discrete chunks.
Much like the cubes in the grid that we talked about before, there appears to be a "minimum" measurement in the universe, known as Planck Length. Just like in a game of chess, in which you cannot move less than one square, in the universe, you can't have less that on planck length. It is digital, quantified, it is in bits.
To be clear, you won't be able to see the pixels of the universe, even if you put your eye really close to your hand. To visualise Planck length, picture a dot at 0.1mm in size, then blow that dot up to the size of the observable universe (about 92 billion light-years), and a Planck length would be the size of a 0.1mm dot in the middle of that. Pretty small.
However small they are though, these "bits" of information are temptingly similar to the way information is stored on a computer. Maybe whoever programmed it just didn't expect us to look that closely.
>>721447841 So, if the universe is indeed a simulation, who exactly is simulating it?
Well, so long as we're not a random bit of noise as a result of quantum reality, we can assume that there's some kind of conscious intelligence writing the code.
It's tempting to picture some kind of science fiction inspired race of super-intelligent, pan-dimensional beings in futuristic hats, but the likelihood is that our virtual reality was probably programmed by, well, humans. Or at least the "real" version of humans.
Much like we have a propensity to create the people we know on The Sims, it stands to reason that a civilisation with the ability to run complex simulations would create something like themselves. Perhaps these simulations are even being used to predict events in the "real" world, perhaps the future human race is simulating its past, as a form of digital archaeology.
If you want to get really meta, perhaps the simulators are simulations themselves. It's just simulations all the way down.
>>721447328 >>721447841 >>721447630 The problem with This simulation theory is of course quantum theory itself and Heisenberg's uncertainty principle . In quantum theory for example everything can be a 1 a 0 and both at the same time. there are a bunch of problems like this that gives the universe true random. And computers cant generate true random, hence we are a random intelligent super consciousness so large we have lost self awareness.
>>721448905 quantum computing is only in its infancy we cant generate a quantum reality yet. still if you could generate a reality wouldn't you make it better then our current one? perhaps this is how we create the universe.
>>721449080 yes i can prove i have free will. iughfdhiulduhiophdftuijhpdfhjlkondfhskfjuxzjsxfkm,lkjhjudcfk,dxijkdcfkdcxlkxszdlkoxsdkjzxk,mzxkls,xkm,zkmzjnxkmz,xzdkxf,msklxzdfxzkl gaint asain penis gibbel de gook
>>721444028 Do you honestly believe in the Bible? There was absolutely nothing and then in a few trillionths of a second, Earth and sky were divided and in the end the entire universe suddenly came out of nowhere?
>>721450401 i shall prove i have free will by leaving this thread and going away to perform my duty as a human and trying to reproduce and play video games etc. also i solved captcha and it clearly said I'm not a robot.
>>721445617 If it wasn't for religious control of the world we could have had flying cars and hoverboards by now, but nope, we're 1000 years behind because gravity is the work of the Devil and God is the one keeping us attached to the Earth. Kill anybody who thinks different.
>>721450711 The only thing you have proven is that you don't understand the concept of free will.
For fun, I suggest that you look into what Determinism and Indeterminism is. From that general conception of the meaning of free will I would continue to research into what other leading research has been done into the topic.
>>721450861 >>721450855 you assume religion is responsible but that is a massive oversimplification of the complex political and interpersonal relationships if events that happened hundreds of year ago. We can only speculate today but the true motives were undoubtedly political interpersonal and ultimately greed based. Religion was certainly used a mobilising force for the masses, much in the same way political and scientific ideology are used today . Blaming religion as the single force behind these complex and varied events however is simply incorrect.
>>721444028 It's not about believe. It's about probability. Ideas like the big bang don't just come about as an act of pure imagination. It's what the evidence leads us to. Even still, any good scientist will not attest to it with absolute certainty. If sufficient evidence was presented to suggest otherwise to big bang theory, scientists would have no choice but to abandon it and focus efforts in another direction.
>>721451372 No, whatg you are saying is not scientific at all. You have to fully prove a claim before you cna accept it as a fact. If the claim is "God doens't exist" you have to fully disprove the existence of God to prove the truth of that statement. Now it gets tricky: by definition God is not knowable by any other means than faith, so not being able to rationally measure its existence proves nothing. Ultimately, for the rational mind, believing or not believing in God is a personal decision based on faith rather than logic, as it should be.
>>721453704 Time is the direction in which entropy increases in a non-closed system Throw an ice cube in a glass of water, then take another glass of water. See how in one glass the ice cube slowly becomes water while in the other either all water freezes or no water does? That's time.
>>721453834 Not so. If you can't prove it exists than it doesn't. We have more evidence for and observations of dark energy and dark matter (matter and energy that by definition can't be observed) than we do for your god.
Merely claiming something could exist because it can't be disproved is bad logic. Imagine the number of things that could be postulated to exist that we would have no way of proving. It's literally endless. > magic invisible dragon lives on the roof of my house > can't disprove that it doesn't exist > therefore requires consideration? If someone wants to claim that something exists, the onus is on the person making the claim to produce proof.
>>721453638 I see your argument; however, as I stated, speculative. Under the same pretense of speculation I could claim time still existed, but that the matter is from another universe that tore into this dimension.
>>721445617 And that's exactly why those who are of very same kind heart, but never knew about God (infants, hermits) go to Limbo instead of heaven. Those who do not believe just straight out tortured for the rest of the eternity, abramic religions are very petty like that.
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