>>721246127 Only poor people voted for it because >they don't travel >they don't buy stocks / fx or have investment accounts >they own one property >they don't understand how EU law has protected and improved their life compared to how the UK used to be decades ago
Ironically, it will only be bad for them, others will find a way around it
People not wanting to be ruled, or having their destinies decided by people outside of theoir country is a win. The EU is pretty much dead, but nobody declared it yet. The only ones butt hurt over losing is the same people who are pitching a fit in the US, and I am not speaking about the protesters in the streets, but the globalists with our elections. Part of the reason for the Uks decline was their Pound Sterling being scrapped as the World Reserve Currency. Which will happen to the US as well. The same person is a part of that George Soros.
It will be excellent for the rest of EU, we finally got rid of these faggots who were getting way too many advantages out of it
As for the UK, kiss your 3 million jobs in bank/corporate/insurance goodbye, they are coming to Paris and Amsterdam to access the EU market Also enjoy having to lose your border control anyway if you want to have a trade deals with every country. You basically voted to get back something that will lose again anyway. Oh and to lose millions of jobs
>>721246296 Scotland is too weak and too poor to leave the UK. You have actual representation in the UK, we pay your debts and fill your pockets. We protect you with our military, we protect you with our navy.
The EU will do none of that. You have 56 MP's in Scotland. You will have no representation in the EU.
>>721246390 your last point is the most important one. it makes me weep for humanity that people chose to believe what Murdoch's empire tells them, the EU is the last thing stopping this government just rounding up the poor and summary executing them - but they went ahead and voted for that anyway
>>721246492 this is typical Brexter response to anything they don't like, to instantly start swearing as the result of a blood pressure spike - which is also, paradoxically, why they're 100% incapable of educating themselves when it comes to politics and economics. most of them have never even fully read one of the newspapers they allowed to persuade them to behave this way.
>>721245976 >Economically- We have been stagnant for years now. The only nations benefiting are the shitty nations in Eastern Europe, and Germany who reaps all the rewards from EU.
Pound falling increases our exports, which will boost the economy. Our exports are up.
Now with Trump in the white house, a man who seems to want the dissolution of the EU, we are in a good situation. He will give us a good deal to persuade unhappy France to leave the EU along with us.
Bad for our position on the global stage, specifically in Europe, but as we are siding with the US, building our military, and becoming close with China, we will be fine.
>Sovereignty- Great. We was tricked into joining the EU, and the EU imposed a court upon us which is higher than our own Parliament.
Heath told us joining the EU wouldn't affect our sovereignty, but that was a lie. Here is a quote from our own treasury who tried to warn Heath not to join the EU;
>"It should be noted at the outset that the plan for economic and monetary union (EMU) has revolutionary long-term implications, both economic and political."
>"EMU would, however, lead to the UK and other EEC nations becoming as interlocked as those of the states of the US".
>"Indeed it could be argued that the independence of the members would be less than that of the [US] states, for the latter have more autonomy over their budgets. The degree of freedom which would then be vested in national governments might indeed be somewhat less than the autonomy enjoyed by the constituent states of the US.
>Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and the UK.
When it comes down to it you can't have one set of rules for all these countries which when you step back they are nothing alike. All those hundreds of small UK businesses that had to closed down because of the EU pettiness.
>>721248355 >London had millions of muslims way before the EU We were 99% white when we joined the EU.
>nobody forced you to take in millions of shitty pakis, You're right. They did force us to open our borders to 500 million Europeans, though. This created a labour surplus, meaning Britons could get undermined by Poles who work more hours for less.
Bad; prices are all going up due to FX, will settle at a poor rate unless something drastic happens and we're now have restricted access to a large market...something which has been used successfully in a world going through severe globalisation over the last 10 years.
the thing the little englanders who voted for this are failing to realise is that in an ever changing world of work, the EU is their only hope of support unless they want to be entered in to bare-knuckle fights with the machines that are going to take their jobs once their workers' rights have been pissed all over by the type of people that like to burn £50 notes infront of homeless people (google bullingdon boys club)
>>721245976 good because the EU is a mess. bond issuance and other things were pretty fucked, lack of a strong central bank was an issue (less for UK but still). lack of sovereignty, lack of control on trade policies ect. basically some of the shitty stuff England has done to the rest of the UK was being done to the UK by the EU Bad because it imposes some restrictions on an already largely cucked populous. the exchange rates have dropped and the pound has devalued (which would be good for UK manufacturing if UK manufacturing wasn't already irreparably shit). there is also a lot of EU buthurt for leaving the cool kids club so expect some trade retaliation. in short its probably more bad then good in the short term but potentially (potentially!) more good then bad in the long term depending on how the EU does.
>>721246390 You're a fucking clueless arrogant prick do you have any idea how much the eu tariffs on our imports and exports cost everyone even them poor people as you call them. One free trade deal with the u.s wipes out all of our import export concerns. We can now deal with the rest of the world without restriction >biggest projected growth in population > = Asia >uk traditional trade partner's > can now trade again with Asia unrestricted >look at 5he big picture not just your own
I bet the dude spouting the bullshit figures about whiteness is probably only about 19 years old, lol britain gained the vast majority of its non-whites in the 60s and 70s - and they didn't come from the EU anyway, now there's millions of fully british non-whites who are born here and citizens from birth meaning it doesn't really matter what political shitstorm you create as a scapegoat, you're not going to be able to do anything whatsoever about the number of non-whites short of genocide - and an attempt at genocide would just see this country wiped off the face of the planet. i bet his dad is bald, wears England shirts and suffers from heart disease.
Scotland has a stronger economy independently by all measures than the remainder of the UK. There is a margin of uncertainty with all economics, especially on large scales, but most analysts agree that Scotland would be on pretty good footing if it broke off right now -- a "hard Scexit."
As far as geopolitics and trade goes I have no idea whether a schism of that sort would add more or less stability given the EU's general unifying power (i.e. now the Balkans can split into as many semi-autonomous microstates as they like and it won't really mean anything as the whole violence situation is being managed by both EU and NATO.)
>>721250523 >also means we've lost more than any other country, retard So?
The Empire meant that we are responsible for more scientific and technological developments than any other nation.
The Empire is a source of pride.
We did great things with that Empire, and without it, the world would be irrevocably different; >Caused Industrial Revolution >Caused an agricultural revolution >Made steps forward in social security >Won two world wars >Undermined and destroyed the Ottoman Empire in WW1. >Reclaimed Jerusalem for a Christian nation. >Turned parts of Africa from a deserted wasteland into thriving cities. >Won great battles against great odds. >Created the computer >Steam engines >Exported cars all across Europe >Destroyed an ancient dynasty because we needed money for tea. >Built incredible cities and coutnries whereas before us they were desolate wastelands (Australia, Hong Kong, South Africa, Rhodesia, New Zealand, Canada, America) >Invented television >Created the world wide web >Created the telephone >Created first toilet >Invented lightbulbs >Hydraulic Press >Electric Motor >Cement >Revolutionised the sewage system >Invented the tank >Jet engine >Created world first antibiotic.
Losing this isn't a source of embarrassment.
We lost our Empire because we stood up to Germany when they expanded into Belgium, and 20 years later we stood up to Germany when they invaded Poland. We could have backed down and let the world fall to Europe and maintain our Empire, but we risked everything to restore peace and civility to Europe.
why do people think theresa may is responsible for anything? the bitch is the daughter of a vicar. the reason she's in the position she's now in is because everybody know she's excellent at conveying bullshit that doesn't make sense without questioning a damn thing or doubting anyone at all
like her childhood with her religious nutjob father. she's basically a political megaphone, but because she's not as comical in appearance and demeanor as boris, nobody can fucking see it.
>>721251063 >Scotland has a stronger economy independently by all measures than the remainder of the UK Wrong. Oil is currently cheap as fuck, and that is really Scotland's only export. Without us you run into an even bigger deficit.
>but most analysts agree that Scotland would be on pretty good footing if it broke off right now -- a "hard Scexit." No. No they don't.
>>721249866 Recover from what?? We haven't went down in any way financial figures are up,no job losses and guess what we can trade with whoever the fuck we want to without one single eu imposed tariff. Stop listening to fearmongering bullshit and open your own eyes. Even the back of England who opposed brexit have just in the past week admitted our trading looks like it's going to benefit from not have eu tariffs imposed on every import and export
>>721251945 Have you not seen the currency drop? What do you think we buy in? Fucking magic beans?
It's not fearmongering, I work as a trader buying goods from the Far East. Prices up by on average 15%...large corporations won't just absorb this. Leads to job losses, increased prices and zero benefit to anyone.
There could be potential benefits from singularity trading...but other countries will always focus on the biggest prize...that won't be the UK
>>721250878 Reasons? Let me guess you don't agree with facts? You're a clueless prick You've had a shandy and turn into mister angry Your family are well off and your an arrogant cunt who looks down on the less wealthy UK citizens You know the ones who have always fought in wars for their country No ill settle for you're a prick
> Westminster doesn't publish Scottish accounts because it would embarrass Scots > Tories want Scotland to stay because they're such charitable people > Moved Sea border night before Scottish parliament opens because respect for democracy > Ignored Smith commission recommendation and made Sewel convention non-legally binding because love Scotland too much > 12k ppl n Malta have twice the MEPs than Scotland because Nigel Farrage has got your back > Threaten hard border and trade embargo if Scotland leaves because just love so much > Pay to connect Scottish power to grid because Scottish power just so overwhelming > Keep nukes in Scotland because they're our most valuable asset and we trust Scotland so much > Don't worry about the EU, Scotland. The UK is the only trade union you need.
>>721252729 ha, you think you're talking to more than one person, topkek
but anyway, if we're going to use the past to justify future intentions, then i think you need to pay attention to just how much has been lost, because well umm, you seem to be justifying brexit with the past
and if you're just going to pretend it has nothing to do with anything and you were just making a separate point, then go ahead, but have a preliminary kek. fucking kek.
>>721252971 >ha, you think you're talking to more than one person, topkek I replied to one person who said the Empire wasn't a source of pride, and that it is embarrassing. I responded to that same person.
> if we're going to use the past to justify future intentions, then i think you need to pay attention to just how much has been lost, because well umm, you seem to be justifying brexit with the past
Once again I didn't do this. I corrected someone who I believed was chatting shit. You, much like the other guy, are creating arguments in your head, then arguing against them. I didn't use the past to justify future actions. I pointed out we should be proud of our past.
>>721252504 How much are your earnings down? What job losses? Are you talking these imaginary job losses that might be going to happen? I work for Nissan UK in the finance department. Nissan came to Europe to trade inside the eu. So you would imagine Nissan would be one of the first to start paying people off. Well the oppositte has happened, now this is fact not some bullshitting opinion. Why would this happen Mr Trader. Why is Nissan UK expanding? I'll let you know what the scaremongerers won't admit to now if you'd like to know the facts
>>721251904 >basque seperatists typical british political retardednes...you mean the catalonian independence movement...the basque country is so tiny that nobody but nobody in it thinks they could survive alone
>>721251945 American here, GBP to USD has taken a good hit from brexit. although its been falling since 2015 it's now at something like 1.25 which to be honest has just made me more inclined to make British investments and buy British products. that said post brexit GDP growth trends are still up in the air a bit. but UK gdp per capita has been on a lackluster trend since mid 2006. we'll see with the 2017 and 2018 data is in.
>>721253920 what brexiters don't realise is the people who do invest here are aware of the instability, so theyre not looking long term with their investments. and traders love a change to short sell, what Soros did to the UK economy in the past is going to be happening many times again
>>721254195 bullshit, they're the leaders of the globalist force. how retarded can you be? just because they want to leave the EU doesn't mean they want to turn their backs on globalism, they just want to take the fucking gloves off
>>721254292 >they're the leaders of the globalist force. I assume you're talking about USA? I am aware. Yanks thought Trump was an anti-globalist, but he isn't. However, they voted for what they thought was an anti-globalist. Therefore they are fighting back.
>UK Brexit was, in every aspect, a vote against globalism. Our government might not be anti-globalist, but Britons sure as hell are.
>>721253920 Totally agree anon I'm glad you mentioned how long gbp has been declining. These people using the currency value as their argument don't realise what it does for our exports either. Fact is the gbp took its biggest hit the day after the vote. This happened because vast majority of traders wanted to stay in EU. They believed the bullshit fearmongering and of course without one single financial figure to give them a reason to panic, they did as widely expected. Since then there still hasn't been one financial figure to justify that panic. On the contrary the Xmas figures especially were all positive. Still as you know it's easy to lead the blind. If they just opened their eyes to the actual figures and not the BBC or mainstream slant on our situation they just might know the facts
>>721254094 well yes and no. i mean my firm had a nice little reactionary buy up directly after the vote but mostly its buy and hold on 10 to fifteen year projections. but that's not really my department so i haven't really talked to any of the analysts about it in depth. however what i do see is long term global trends toward market volatility so i really don't see a lot of long term investments anywhere (which is a problem imho but w/e) and that of course also applies to the UK
>>721254986 well there is a reason the consumer confidence index is a thing. a lot of economic movement is driven not from financial facts but emotional feelings about the economy. sometimes people think the economy is doing poorly so the economy does poorly.
>>721256716 actually that's a good question. i have no idea how British media works but i was under the impression that the BBC was government supported. or am i wrong? here in the US we ruffle feathers so people watch so we can sell advertising space so there is a strong incentive to doom and gloom about everything.
>>721257197 >BBC was government supported The BBC is neither state-owned or state-controlled in that sense that the government doesn't pay for it and it doesn't have editorial control over content. The BBC is subject to a Royal Charter which is the constitutional basis for the BBC.
The way i see it, they thought they would get a better deal on a different side in a global agenda.
Maybe the states, maybe china, they just disengaged from their next door neighbors to move more freely into a different constellation.
On a practical note, sure the uk can look for the best deal, but you should not forget that the governing people (the rich) looking for said deal are looking for the best possible deal for THEM. In terms of money for poorer areas, i. e. cornwall, wales, the north and others the eu was really just pouring money in to help people worse off for little gain
>>721245976 It was inevitable. The pound was going away by 2020. As far as for democracy, it's good as EU officials are not elected. As far as travel between the UK and EU things might be a bit more difficult for awhile. We will have to wait and see thiugh.
The BBC sucks the dick of whichever party is currently in power, they're political mercenaries. The fact they get criticised for being both too right wing AND too left wing is funny, they just go with the flow.
I'm so happy to be emigrating, and no this isn't me "remoaning", I've been planning it since the days when only Nigel Cabbaaage was saying "in out referendum", i.e when nobody ever thought it would happen.
Never underestimate the destructive power of stupid people in large groups,
>>721258480 they'd just go socialist, like norway, protecting their oil funds for generations to come. norway's oil production is almost completely over, but their sovereign wealth fund continues to grow exponentially as a result of careful management and wise investment
>>721257627 Not understanding that a certain side won the referendum doesn't mean you can or should vote against it. The majority of the country voted it so ever MP should ensure that said side's plan of action should take course.
>>721258560 Uh huh uh huh. I hear what you're saying except only a retard would want to stay in the crumbling EU so good job buddy.
I mean the guy organising the brexit deal for us from the EU wants a fucking united states of Europe. These unelected fuckers make the EU laws. They want an army for fucks sake, UNELECTED OFFICALS WANT AN ARMY HOW IS THAT A GOOD IDEA???
All I'm saying is if you represent a town/city where the majority indicated they wish to remain in the EU, it is your duty as an MP to fairly represent them and vote against triggering Article 50 without further discussion.
>>721259177 While I do see where you're coming from the point of the referendum was to decide whether it should happen or not. Regardless of your particular county we decided as a country and one side won, all the MPs should ensure that said decision goes through since the country as a whole decided. I can understand for other more specific issues facing an MPs county but yeah i get where you're coming from
>>721259661 I could live with a plan being made but the only thing I as a brexiteer is that when the MPs stall for brexit to 'make a plan' what if they just 'keep' stalling? You know, that's a legitimate worry.
Politics is slow by nature, I don't want a 'rush job' on a matter so serious and the predicted deadline of 2020 seems pretty fair for such a drastic move.
Right now we're going in completely blind, we were not given a vote on a particular plan, just on if the people wanted 'something' to happen.
To be completely honest, a draft proposal on how we'd leave the EU should have been drawn up and then THAT would be publicly voted on.
To use a needless metaphor, the difference between asking the family 'are you hungry?' and 'Would you like spaghetti bolognese?' The referendum was far too vague for the result to be seen as completely legally binding.
I want us out of the EU but with as little damage as possible and things put in place to help us recover the inevitable crash. Leaving for the sake of leaving and not planning ahead is daft and easily exploited by a far from trustworthy government.
No way of telling what it will mean for the British people or the EU. Probably not that much will happen. I mean the UK still needs to sell their shit on the continent so they'll still have to stick with EU regulations except they won't have any say in them anymore.
But we can all agree the Leave campaign was a toxic mess riddled with full on lies. I particularly liked the whole 350 mil one. The British voter was conned. This truly is the post-truth era.
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