>>721237427 I'm not manly. In fact, I'm a manlet. I had a hard time dating in my twenties and grew resentful. I was an adult virgin, lived at home, and only escaped through a combination of luck and willpower. I feel like a fat girl in male form, except no one gives a shit about my problems. In fact, I grew to despise the feminist movement because I felt it blamed me for most problems that women face. I am married to a wonderful woman who I adore, but I still jerk off to abuse porn and am obsessed with anal sex. (Wife hates it.) I have been to therapy, but never broached the issue there because, frankly, I was embarassed. I have a lot of women in my life who I respect and admire, but I also have drug problem. Last night I drfted off to sleep while fantasizing about anally violating my wife's best friend (who is my friend, too) and then coming on her face. For reals, guys, I have a lot of anger. I treat women with respect (when my cock isn't in my wife's asshole), and do not feel that I am a danger to others. I bury that anger and it ends up hurting me. I can't connect with people. Help?
>>721238003 Already married to a terrific woman. She puts up with my shit. See other paragraph-lenght post where I vent. I really do want to love women in my heart...and I think I do. But O have a lot of legitimate hurt feelings that I can't resolve.
>>721238292 your anger issues and women issues should be treated separately, they are different problems. find a way to vent your anger. also, women seem less complicated once you realize they perpetually live in the moment like a small dog. they only act on impulse. dont be too surprised if a fancy car drives by and she goes running after it and yelling.
>>721238719 I am angry *with* an entire gender. Most feminist arguments make me see red. I guess you could say I am a lot like your average /b/tard,
But not really. I know that women face challenges that are unique and outside my typical experience. I want women and men to treat each other as equals, even though I understand that we are notequal in all areas. I love women, yet resent them. Does that make any sense?
>>721238670 No...I think this mindset is common, and I brought it up here because you can be openly hostile to women here. Everywhere else, "misogyny" is treated like the plague: disavowed, quaranteened, and never really understood or inspected. I know people will make jokes here, but I can't be theonly guy who grew up to discover that he wasn't good looking and that appearances matter a great deal more than we want to admit when it comes to forming close relationships...who soothed himself with Max Hardcore videos and is genuinely disappointed when his wife tells him that she won't go ass-to-mouth. I mean, I'm a mess, but here I'm pretty normal, right?
>>721239444 I dunno, man. Women are fragile and you need to worry about her leaving, cheating, killing you, now. Stop pounding her ass, I don't care what the kids say, ass fucking is borderline homosexuality. I love women. I love their vaginas, and I defend them because they pay me back with sex.
>>721240104 I don't think there is anything wrong with homosexuality and anal appeals to me because it can be a less-than-loving act. It's also selfish and I get off on the idea that she "does it for me." I understand that it is her body, though, and I respect that. Lost my virginity late in life after a trainwreck of a breakup in my teenage years. I kove eating pussy (love eating ass more, but wife isn't into it and doesn't really want to compromise). I'm a terrible lover when it comes to p-in-v sex, mostly due to lack of experience. Wife and I have been together just over five years, and I haven't improved much in that department.
>>721240104 Leaving? Cheating? I can't control her actions so I *do not* worry about that. I have asked her to be honest if there is infidelity, and I will take it from there. I don't mind being vulnerable. I think it's necessary for true intimacy. Sometimes I wish she were more vulnerable to me...
>>721241726 My wife loves me and tends toward submissiveness. 8 believe that if I insisted she let me experience the thrill of having my shitty dick sucked on, she would do it for me. But I know that ifshe did ass-to-mouth, for example, then there would be *something else* I would want that she wouldn't grant me. That is how irrational resentment of half the world's population works: you find a reason to be unhappy and blame women. The problem is within me, and it's not my inability to act like a caveman. I can do that. It's just mot a choice I would make. She is my wife. I love her.
>>721243811 Then tell them it bothers you and if you can't work it out find another girl. Most women have no idea how to please you. Also, it *is* a chore. But one they should take seriously and with respect for your feelings. What are we talking about here? A girl who you go down on who says "OK, but just for a bit." when you want to come in her mouth?
Anyone who thinks the world was a safer place for women when he was in jail is crazy. He helped me deal with a lot of very harsh feelings, which ended up in kleenex instead of being acted out on a partner. But he did his time and I respect that.
Suff like that, yes. Nothing too extreme. Nothing painful, humiliating or even unpleasant to the senses.
But that's the thing: I love this woman, and I'm aware that it's not really going to be different with others, quite possibly it will be even harder. Some of my guy friends who have managed to do some of the things with their girlfriends that I'd love to do in intimacy with my partner had to jump through a thousand hoops and, as another anon pointed out above, sacrificed some other thing they wanted, or lost the chance to attend meaningful moments in their friend's lives, etc.
>>721244582 If the sane thing happens with different people, then the problem is within you, not your partner. As far as missing out on meaningful events...you have to decide what compromises you are willing to make. For reals, Women aren't against you. They are just as lost as we are. Like a lot of men, a lot of them are against themselves. You deserve love and can expect it when it is given. If not, then you move on. (Been to therapy, btw, tremendously helpful. Highly recommended if you feel as doomed as you sound.)
>>721236403 Are you completely sure? I mean by feminist standards you are, but so is everyone else with a dick, including traps. That standard renders it meaningless, which is typical of ideas proposed by womyn. You may just be an incel.
>>721245628 First of all, I'm married...but I did carry my virginity with me until an embarassingly late age. I am short and not very attractive. I get off on porn clips where women suffer. I'm OK with that, because porn is just fantasy.,,but I have a lot of negative emotions based on some bad experiences with women that I carry with me once I'm done fapping. "Misogynist" isn't a value judgment in the context that I used it. It just means "I harbor an irrational hatred toward an entire gender." That's it. Second of all, welcome to the party. Third, where the fuck have you been? We started two hours ago. Steve is gonna be pissed, man,,,like *really* pissed!
Hey man, it's Steve. Why didn't you pick up sooner? What the fuck? If I find out you've been messing around with Tina...well, you don't wanna know what kind of hurt I'll put on you. And where's that fucking faggot Troy? Oh, he had to go to his Women's Studies class? Un-fucking-believable! And I'll bet he had time to stop by some YLYL threads on the way, too, am I right? AM I RIGHT? ANSWER ME! All right, look...sorry, I didn't mean to lose my cool. I'm sure Troy's in-depth knowledge of the feminist movement will totally change the way we think about things..NOT! If you see that cocksucker, tell him I'm looking for him.
>>721246929 *I* can't breathe and I'm just looking at that God damn thing! AnonTroy, I gotta go walk my dogs, then I'm gonna shove my prostate massager up my ass. Can you watch the thread while I'm gone?
Anyone seen Troy? HELLLLLLL-OOOOOO...HAS...ANY...ONE...SEEN...TROY? What? Yeah, I know I'm all blurry and shit. That's what happens when I'm about to kick someone's ass. Listen...if Troy comes around here, tell him that I'm looking for him and I *will* find him. Got it? Good.
>>721248803 No it's not. Nowhere in the bible does it say it's ok to fuck your daughters or drink. The story you're pointing to is about how drinking is bad and causes lot to get raped by his deranged daughters.
>>721248947 How can getting raped by your daughters and not knowing it happened the next day because you were drunk be interpreted as not wrong? Also have you read the other parts of the bible where it's made clear that alcohol and incest is wrong? There are plenty of reasons to not like the bible at least you could find a legitimate one.
>>721249092 you are so full of bullshit. the bit that was "wrong" was when lots wife looked back while fleeing, and she was punished with death. the cities were burned to the ground. that lot is "wrong" for drinking is your christian brainwashing speaking. even jesus makes fucking wine.
>>721249476 >with their lily white flesh making him want them
Yea, them sluts made him do it! That's right. They made him get drunk too. They always made daddy get pass-out drunk and fuck them. That would hold up well in court. So too would the part about God turning the missing wife into a pillar of salt for reasons, and he'd in no way be a suspect in her disappearance. But this is irrelevant nonsense anyway. We're forgetting the real criminals of the story: teh gays.
Also, all juice is at least slightly alcoholic, and it's incredibly unhealthy for you too. You're mom wasn't being some big fucking nutritional-based supermom by pouring apple juice-like drink down your throat when you were a kid. Wine, in moderation, on the other hand is healthy.
>>721251414 I can read Old English and I'm learning Old Icelandic, thank you.
You are full of shit if you believe that alcohol wasn't literally what civilization was built on. You take clean water for granted. Most people throughout history, and even today, did/do not have that luxury. Alcohol is what enabled humanity to survive and thrive until we could figure out germ theory and how to make water safe to drink. Your teetotaler horseshit is a product of modern society (late 1800s) and not a historical viewpoint. Even the fucking Puritans loved the fuck out of their beer.
>>721252286 >In the OT, you either obey or your die This is completely wrong. People in the old testament disobeyed and questioned God constantly. Also I'm using 'right' or 'wrong' because you said drinking and incest was ok according to the bible which it isn't
>>721252921 i said it was ok because it was never considered wrong. things are not "wrong" by default just because you dont like them. lot just lost his wife and two cities burn to the ground and you're so butthurt about a dude drinking, wtf.
OK, back to anal. Well, it's an issue in my marriage. I far prefer it to vaginal sex, but my wife doesn't do it as often as I would like. One of the things that I have learned through marriage is that you will discover, on some issues, you and your partner have different tastes. Yes, there is a lot of cultural baggage that surrounds the act itself. Many of the clips I have shared here feature women in submissive poses being sodomized in a way that is clearly meant to be degrading. Feminists take issue with this representation, because it implies something telling about gender roles and sexual pleasure: women's holes are used for men's enjoyment, not the other way around.
I don't want to engage with any of these arguments. My wife is fine with porn-style sex, which is not the only way we make love. She *is* submissive, and gets off on the idea of being used to please me. Those are the choices we have made together, so the cultural baggage has to be checked at the bedroom door.
It's simply a matter of taste. Having something in her asshole makes my wife uncomfortable. I have offered many approaches that can ease--but not eliminate--the discomfort, and my wife is not interested. Well, some women simply aren't interested in anal. That's their choice, and it's fine. In that regard, zi am actually very lucky. Some guys never get to experience the sensation of blowing their load in their wife's behind. It can be intense and very pleasurable for me, but my wife has told me that it relt good for her exactly once. She simply isn't into pain, and I am not going to change that.
So their is no "assfuck conspiracy," in my opinion. Some women hate anal. Some women tolerate it, like my wife, and some simply refuse to even try. By measure of where I fit in on this spectrum, I am actually very lucky. If anything, it is on me to back off and pay attention to her needs, with the reasonable expectation that she will give an honest effort to meet my needs when I choose...
...to express them. I have an incredibly hard time asking for anal sex due to the guilt I feel when I think of how my wife truly feels about it. We have had some terrible experiences that have left her in tears and me feeling like an ogre, which I am not. We have fought about it, gone through periods where it simmered in the background, and finally she proposed a compromise that has worked pretty well. I love my wife dearly, and I feel closer to her when she lets me pound her ass, even though the act itself isn't always loving. I *feel* loved when she does it, accepted.
I have a hard time entertaining arguments thst you can "flip" a girl from "exit only" (my wife said this to me when we were dating) to buttslut. That implies women don't know what they do and don't want. Instead of wasting time telling a girl with an intact be-hymen that she is wrong mot to want stuff there, I rhink it's more productive to simply express your desires openly and honestly. "I would like to try anal sex. What are your thoughts?"
Here is an excellent guide to the prep work that can make it as painless (and clean) as possible, written by a very talented amateur pornographer who can fit an entire bad dragon dildo in her ass:
>>721253101 But it's considered wrong in other parts of the bible. If it's not made clear that what happened in a particular story of the bible is right or wrong you should look to see if the bible condemns it or approves of it elsewhere in the bible. Also I'm not butthurt about what happened in the fictional story of Sodom and Gomorrah I'm just pointing out that lots drinking clouded his judgment enough that he fucked his daughters and didn't even know it and that's the point of that part of the story.
>>721253200 Other parts of the bible condemn drinking alcohol so it wouldn't make sense for God incarnate to make alcohol for people to drink if he disapproved >>721253327 The bible is clear that incest is wrong but you do have a point. I guess it's just wrong for regular people
>>721253327 Oh shit, did I forget to thank you, too, for the way you didn't turn this thread into an autistic-savant-style debate over a book that was never meant to be interpreted literally? I did, didn't I? I am so sorry. Many thanks! It's like that goddamn banana in text form from YLYL threads! What? Oh, nevermind, I will let you get back to your religious scholarship...
Hey, I got a hot tip that someone in a "pics you shouldn't share" thread is claiming that "This too shall pass is in Ecclesiastes." We both know that it appears nowhere in the Bible...but I let you be the one to tell him.
>>721255048 seriously, let go of the 'right' or 'wrong' bullshit. it only acts as blinders. sometimes things just are the way they are, neither good or bad. i doubt your christian brainwashing upbringing will allow you to comprehend that though.
I forgot to mention about how Jesus' genealogy is traced back to David, through both Mary and Joseph. That's actually a lot nicer than the whole idea that God fucked, and impregnated an unwilling 13 year old, who lived in a society where she could have been put to death for it.
>>721254821 >a book that was never meant to be interpreted literally?
As a former Christian, my experience has been that it's only not meant to be interpreted literally whenever literal interpretation is inconvenient. All other times it's the 100% literal and perfect word of God. The God of Abraham, which is to say the God of the Jews, Christians, and Muslims, among others.
Wait are you Cathylick? Yea, you worship Satan, the Pope/antichrist, and Mary/Whore of Babylon, which is a mockery of the Holy Trilogy. I learned this during my early life as a True Christian.
Satan here. Excellent work, my minions! God doesn't have access to YouTube though. The Chinese government blocked it. Look, it's a long story and I didn't expect you to know that. Keep doing my work and soon I shall be reunited with Emperor Trump!
>>721256160 But it does Just not in that story. >>721256314 >I forgot to mention about how Jesus' genealogy is traced back to David, through both Mary and Joseph. That's actually a lot nicer than the whole idea that God fucked, and impregnated an unwilling 13 year old, who lived in a society where she could have been put to death for it. What does this have to do with the bible approving or being ok with regular people having drunken incest
>>721257105 It means Mary and Joseph were kinfolks. Cousin fucking is not a good thing. Just ask the Amish, the Hapsburgs, or any other group that has inbred some serious genetic problems into their genepools.
>>721257437 You're clearly an atheist so why do you care so much about a religion you don't understand? Just because it happened in a story doesn't mean it's approved of or ok according to the bible especially when it's clearly condemned in other parts of the bible.
>>721257437 You are obviously not qualified to speak, since you have no idea what the culture and conditions of the time were. For instance, the idea of a rapist being forced to marry his victim was to ensure that the defiled woman was taken care of all her days in a time when most people would consider her unclean and leave her to rot. Or, like in Islam (which admittedly came much later, but for comparison's sake), murdered. It's also a pretty effective and expensive deterrent for the man -- it forces him to take responsibility, like forced child support, only with the whole community keeping an eye on him.
Not him, but because it is fascinating. Just because it's antiquated bullshit, does not mean that it isn't an interesting part of the evolution of human civilization, or that we can't still learn something from it.
>you don't understand?
I was raised Christian. I understand it very well. I attended a Christian school where it was forced down my throat constantly. I say forced, but really it wasn't, or at least I didn't see it that way at the time. I was very devout, and it was something that I considered a very important part of my life, and my very identity. At the time I welcomed it. Still, it's bullshit, and at some point people need to grow up, take responsibility for themselves, and stop believing in fantasy and superstition.
>>721258497 why do you assume i don't already know any of that? context doesn't change the stories in the books. that is part of what makes it interesting to me, like reading any other old fiction book. it is a product of its time.
i'm not the one trying to say things are right or wrong in those stories using today's standards.
>>721258167 Nothing, albeit God, and/or Joseph or whomever it was that knocked her up might have very well been shooting dope and hot-lining meth with her during their special evening. We just don't know, and therefore cannot rule it out completely.
>>721259367 seriously? superstitions and beliefs have played a huge role in humanity. this is not unique to christianity, or even islam. those religions are only a couple of thousands years old. there are others that are much older.
>>721257446 Oh yeah, well in this here thread, I'M GOD, remember? Don't mske me use my all-knowing powers to remind everyone of that time you sniffed your sister's panties, got caught, and had to go through six weeks of therapy...because I totally will!
>>721253103 >>721254009 Yeah, okay, I really didn't pay enough attention to the rest of the thread. Thanks to your insight, OP, I know exactly why I don't want a girlfriend now. It requires opening myself up regarding all facets of my internal life, and I'm not willing to do that.
>>721259608 He's 14, cut him some slack. In his world everything revolves around how "cool" one is perceived to be by others. He'll learn what the real world is like in a few years, if only enough to make him forever* retreat into his mom's basement.
* - Protip: parents eventually die, and then neets end up living under a bridge, or if they're lucky in the basement of some guy who makes them call him daddy and dress head to toe in a rubber gimp suit 24/7. He'll probably end up living under a bridge though.
>>721260279 >Leviticus 18:8 >8 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; that would dishonor your father. Nope, that has nothing to do with age or daughters or drinking.
>Leviticus 20:11-21 18 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a woman during her monthly period, he has exposed the source of her flow, and she has also uncovered it. Both of them are to be cut off from their people. There is other stuff in this chunk, this one is amusing. Nothing in there about age or daughter or drinking though.
>Not to mention verses in Deuteronomy Try being less vague. There are rules of war in this book, and it even says to take the women and children after war; 10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies.
Still, nothing about age or drinking or daughters. You're just trying to lead a useless goose chase because you know you're an idiot and wrong.
>>721259821 Just to be clear, I do NOT disagree with the aims of the feminist movement. I disagree with a lot of the ideology underpinning those aims, but I really do think that women and men thrive when they pursue a relationship as equals and I am pleased as punch to see some of the progress women have made in my lifetime. The first female sportscaster, the first female astronaut, and the first female (almost) President were a big fucking deal to borrow a term from Joe Biden. When you see "feminism" and think "fat, unattractive woman with an agenda" or "SJW," remember that who you are thinking of is a *person* just like you. No one's feelings matter more than anyone else's in an equal society, so pull your panties out of your asscrack and imagine what it's actually like to be a feminist...you are despised here for what you believe. Pardon my political incorrectness, but that is retarded. Also, feminism has done great things for pretty white women who probably didn't need a helping hand, the same way the sexual revolution just happened to keep Chad Thundercock's dick perpetually wet. Have a little empathy. Show some compassion. Start with yourself. When you hate something, ask yourself what your hateed does. When someone hates you, tell them, "I don't feel the same way."
>>721261616 >When someone hates you, tell them, "I don't feel the same way." Regarding this new wave feminism, I hear you there. My biggest gripe is that us white males that they hate so much don't have any real way of telling them this, because they don't want to listen to anything we say about feminism. They purposefully make this a battle where they can't lose.
>>721262020 I hate identity politics, but this helped take the sting out of all the shade thrown at "cis white males:" the people who profess to know most about men who are caucasian, straight, as well as male and born that way are usually neither cis, white, or male. Also, if some people see oppression where others do not, ask yourself, "Who benefits?" Do not argue. They want your anger. Instead use this: " I see that we have a difference of opinion on this matter. I actually respect your opinion. Please respect mine."
>>721262576 >Leviticus does mention if you can't say exactly where then fuck off already.
Either way you're wrong.. trying to say Lot was doing anything wrong when all he did was have a drink. Also, it was his daughters that did the deed, not him. You're so full of shit you've gotten so used to it, you don't know any different anymore.
>>721262850 I never said I wasn't a faggot. Please point me to the words that, in your exact words:
"[deny] Universal truths and fundamental differences of the sexes."
You see, I may be a faggot, but you are retarded. The difference is that when I post here, most people either can't tell or don't care. When you post, your retardation is blindingly obvious. ("blindingly" here is an adjective used to describe how dramatic and swift the revelation is, retard)
>>721262813 Talk to them. Start with one or two who you do not find attractive. Are you worried that you aren't attractive? You probably aren't. About 20% of the populationis "good-looking." That doesn't mean you have nothing to offer or that you have to be a doormat. You get to pick and choose, too, just don't be too picky or you will spend a lot of time stroking it to trap threads. Try this:
post an ad that says the following: "This is going to sound weird, but I've never had a conversation with an actual girl. If you are a girl and want to talk to a guy..." You get the idea.
Yes, I am a beta faggot. So what. I'm happy. Deep down we are all beta faggots, and whoever calls me that...you know it's true.
>>721263799 Who said anything about looking down on wemon? You see your product of post-modernism you've been programmed to not be able to equate in any logical way how to critically think. Which can be seen in your assumptions to what I said. Your long-winded Rants and your current responds to me exposes you though I am sure you will not see it.
>>721263802 I consider myself good looking and I've been told I'm funny by most of my friends. I'm not sure why I'm afraid of women. I've had girls tell me they like me but I'm always to afraid to ask them out. If you think you could help me identify why I'm afraid I'd be grateful.
>>721264208 On this we agree. Like I said I'm not a Christian and I don't believe any of it but I just find it annoying when people don't know anything about the religions they're hating on but you clearly have much more understanding than I thought
A lot of women, whether the realiseitor not, want you to be the leader and enforcer. They want you to take charge. They want you to be stern and when they push back it's called a shit test. She's testing your masculinity, whether she realizes it or if it's subconscious.
Remember this young lads. I was raised by a very sensitive mother and thought that women wanted a man who listened and did what they wanted for them and dotedon them. I learned growing up that is what a "real man" does. That works well at first but then they walk all over you and you live like a servant.
It wasn't until I was mid 20'sthat I realized this was bullshit.
You don't have to be a dick all the time but you are always in charge. Don't forget that. And don't bend over backwards for them. Do favours here and there but don't be a slave.
Don't put them on a pedestal. They're basically just a pussy for youYou fuck that you can stand to be around during times you're not fucking them.
>>721264209 I would so cum directly in your ear canal if I could, just fuck the bejesus out of your skull, and you'd be like tied up and screaming and shit. Oh man, if only. >have a nice day, I'm going to masturbate to this later
>>721243213 I was in the same boat. Now I just give them enough respect to have them not leave me but treat them like shit in comparison as to how I used to. And they like it better. Women are fucked in the head, don't try to understand it just accept it as truth.
>>721244582 Once you've set the precedent there is no going back. You have set the precedent that you're her bitch and now it will never get better. Dump her, get a new one and start off being the one that wears the pants.
>>721265598 We've already established that the Bible isn't literal, except for when it is. Fedora tipping faggots can't be given any edge, so that is why the Bible is both literal and not literal. That's actually an indication of how it's the perfect word of God. There's literally no other book that can make the claim of being both metaphorical and literal. No other book can be applied to any and all situations, no matter how contradictory they may appear to ignorant non-believers, and be made to mean whatever one needs for it to mean at that given moment, praise Jesus! I DON'T FUCK NIGGERS!
>>721238157 I actually have similar problems here, I also grew resentful in high school, shit, im still resentful, women are really manipulative and just cunts in general, I feel like the only way to get even with them is to treat them like shit.
>>721263599 I said "treat each other as equals." I agree that total equality isn't achievable. People are different, so it isn't really desirable, either. What matters to me is not whether each group that has fundamental differences (yes, I agree with you here, too) is treated equally. What matters is that they are treated *fairly*.
>>721264923 "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes." Also, when you grow up, junior, you're going to find out that in a marriage, you can't think in terms of "what is best for me" or "what is best for her (or him...I don't give a fuck)" You have to think in terms of "what is best for the marriage." You can learn that the hard way or the easy way. Which would you prefer?
>>721269348 I'm unsettled by how nice your being. I appreciate it but I don't know if I remember the password to my kik and even if I did I'm not sure what I'd instal it on. Thanks but I guess ill have to figure it out on my own.
>>721272044 I ammarried and have several women who I both respect and admire in my peer group. I just fantasize about hatefucking the women in my life more than I would like, and it makes me uncomfortable.
>>721272208 Again, no worries. Trust your instincts. They tell you things for a reason.
I'll be up for about another 10-15 if you need any guidance or advice. I am extremely nice, but..as you will find out when you turn 35 (assuming you don't an Caitlyn Jenner) I am incredibly lonely, just like most adult men. Helping other people who struggled with the same issues I faced helps relieve the feelings of isolation. But I talk to people all the time, so you are not obligated to talk to me if you do not want to.
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