>>721045364 Obama really was bad in terms of foreign policy but look at what he did inside the US, significant decrease in unemployement rates and better health care for low income population. He help the US economy recover after the collapse.
>>721046869 lol. its as good as when they pretend to care about jews bc fox news asks them to. "but the poor jew boys and goilz... those fuckin lying never actually had a holocaust jews.... they're our allies.. we must help the lazy fux" - conservacuck approach to caring.
>>721047338 when a white man is poor it's a tragedy. when a black man is poor it's his own damn fault... and maybe a lil something to do with the thousand plus years of injustic-NO, it's jjust his damn fault for listening to that rap music. ::white kids drive by blasting rap music at fuckin 2 in the afternoon in a publix plaza::
>>721047505 it's not their fault, they like the rap bc they're addicted to drugs, which is not their fault bc they were prescribed the drugs, unlike the blacks who sell them. and the jews control the media, o wait no i mean hillary controls the media, o wait no I mean liberals and celebrities control the media, o wait no all media is false except what this asshole is saying is real which happens to be exactly aligned with his private agenda, which would not seem so damn corrupt if he just releases his fuckin taxes, which he would definitely have todo if he was black, or a woman with a charity, but nah hes old and white so everything is on the level....
>>721048090 .... yea, but there are plenty of veterans with homes right.... so, maybe it's just like a series of poor decisions he made. OR, there's a serious problem with how this country has been treating the middle and lower class and they really need some fuckin help, which would come from government, taxes, like the dangerous big gov't you're terrified of. or, you know, it's just his fuckin fault.
>>721048897 the ludicrous portion of the argument is in the fact that you would call upon, actually attack a former president for making government TOO big for you to handle, while at the same asking him to make it bigger for the ppl you directly care for. jack ass. get outside yourself.
>>721047225 Trump basically is a wildcard. Some days he will do something stupid, and some days he will do something incredible.
There isn't really a method behind it other than Trump wanting to do it, and he gets it done. Essentially this can go literally in any direction, and that's why people are freaked out I assume. Personally I don't really care too much and this election has given me quite a bit of the keckles, even more so that butthurt Europeans come here and shitpost about how stupid Trump makes us look while simultaneously opening the flood gates for "immigrants". We're all fucked in our own unique ways, electing Trump wasn't really a conscious decision on behalf of the American people, I mean to an extent it was.
More than anything this election was simply enough people getting together to give a big fuck you to politicians and everybody that wants to influence our lives to fit their agenda. Trump being in the highest office of power on the planet was the best current method of doing it short of rioting (which is what the lefties are doing in place of their candidate getting in office) But hey, that's just my own ramblings in all likelihood I'm wrong
>>721049115 Youre putting words in my mouth. I never said it was, i never said it wasnt. I never said i agreed with obama, i never said i didnt.
All i said was that he was pulling shit out of his ass for an argument that wasnt even made. His comment made no sense in or out of context, it was fucking jibberish and he might have a point if anyone made the claim he was countering to begin with, but there was nk such claim so he went on a rant about something no one was arguing. The picture was saying that obama was taking better care of the refugees than of the american veterans, and somehow he got "are you saying its a blacks fault for being poor, but not a whites" out of that. That came out of nowhere and no one was debating otherwise.
I dont know what youre going on, but if you think the care of refugees comes before the care of the american people who risked their lives on the battlefield so refugees could come here in the first place, youre actually retarded
>>721048941 Alright but the argument is about helping refugees from a different counntry whcih hate many of our ppl or helping our own people who were Veterans. The choice is simple. help ourselves and when we are good help others
>>721046277 >Mmmmmmhmmmm what did he do directly that caused unemployment to decline?
He stopped counting those who could no longer collect unemployment, or stopped actively looking for employment, thus the lowering of numbers/statistics.
>>better health care for low income population He did this by inflicting huge burdens on small business and ACA was doomed due to inflating costs.
He did this by making insurance unaffordable for millions, and even if you do have insurance you can afford you most certainly can not afford to use it. those who were uninsured because they could not get insurance now have it subsidized and those of us who had decent insurance have had it taken from us, nice robin hood effect that fucked us all.
>>He help the US economy recover after the collapse.
>Again what did he do specifically? Other than take on more debt than any president in history?
I gotta ask for whom did the fucking economy recover? It sure as hell wasn`t anybody making less than 100K a year.
>>721044002 Trump cancelled meetings today, flew halfway across the country without notice, just to arrive and show his respect to the Navy SEAL killed in the Yemen Al Qaeda raid yesterday and meet his surviving family.
Show me one time obama did anything even remotely close to this.
>>721043800 history will show that obama was one of the best presidents we ever had in our short painful history as a nation. Just wait fagots....
>turned death spiraling economy around >actually gave a fuck about the environment and tried to put laws in place to protect the planet >advanced human rights within our own nation(LGBTQ) for all you faggots wacking it to traps >ATTEMPTED to close Guantanamo bay, the single most unconstitutional thing we operate(except congress fucking sucks) >ended the pointless quagmire in iraq which there was no winning.
former infantrymen who served in iraq here also, not some fucking neck beard who gets all his information from the fucking internet.
Part of his strategy for that was NOT COUNTING people who had been unemployed for more than 12 months in the fucking numbers anymore. Basically "make the numbers look better by ignoring the real numbers and making an arbitrary measure that serves no purpose BUT to lower the unemployment numbers."
>better health care for low income people On the backs of people who aren't considered "low-income." I'm a regular middle-class male and my health insurance has doubled. Why? So some random stranger that doesn't want to work can get a free ride? Fuck you.
>Help the US economy after the collapse He doubled the US national debt from 10 Trillion to 20 Trillion, more than all previous presidents combined.
His 1 Trillion dollar stimulus package to "recover from the collapse" was also a complete failure
>>721052298 >Trump isn't going to do anything Lol, this is the funniest subversion tactic of the year. >He won't even try to have anyone build that wall! >He isn't leaving TPP! >He won't ban refugees! >he isn't getting shit done! Anything else to add to the list? Love him or hate him, the bastard is efficient and prompt.
>>721052827 >mfw this kid is trying so hard to admit the truth
>Trump won't win the party nomination! >Trump won't win the election! >Electoral college will never let him be inaugurated! >He'll never build the wall! >He's not even talking to people!
How far in denial could you be? Are you still going to be bitching like this 7 years from now when he's well into his second term because people realize he's actually kept his word and not shitted on our constitution like obama did?
First, it was ONE casualty. One. Second, you saying he directly got that one person killed on a mission is about as pathetic as megalomaniac obama trying to take credit for the osama raid. Literally had nothing to do with it.
>children killed on his very first military order Oh, you're worried about children now?
Pakistan US drone strikes
Obama strikes: 373 Total killed: 2,499-4,001 Civilians killed: 424-966 Children killed: 172-207 Injured: 1,161-1,744
Afghanistan US drone strikes 2015
Bureau data Total strikes: 1309-1310 Total killed: 2,394-3,056 Civilians killed: 125-182 Children killed: 6-23 Injured: 348-400
>>721052673 you're interesting. >calls blacks "niggers" >feigns to care about blacks >doesn't give 1 fuck about blacks >mouth connected to trump's rectum >virtue signaling for blacks and trump >no dignity >no self-respect >no integrity >no morals
you were raised by animals. and I feel sorry for you.
>>721054077 >conservatives bailing [Citation Needed] I actually embrace libertarian values if anything and advocate for contraceptives in all public schools. I voted Trump because I'm pro gun and find that allowing sactuary cities is unethical and disrespectful to my legal Mexican heritage, as well as the true immigrants who came the right way. So no faggot, not every Trump supporter is a Con, just like not every Hillary or Bernie or Stein supporter is a Lib.
>>721055432 you're really too stupid to realize you are an absolute minority and your backwards-ass liberal ideology is going the way of the dinosaur. grow up or get left behind, but you'll walk outside one day and realize that no one gives two shits about your sexuality, your fake ass oppression, and your feelings so shut the fuck up already and do something that's actually productive instead of faking some kind of weird "starbucks revolution" that's nothing more than a handful of college kids who don't know how to lose throwing a tantrum like 4 year olds.
>>721054584 kek. more unpopular than dictators and mass murder. Why this? because you are brainless idiots remote controlled my the media. Everyone who is mentaly older than 12 can rank this. The media do not reflect opinions. The image they provide now is what they want to be believed
multiple reported times Obama would meet the plane in secrete as it landed, aswell as the time 1 of the families of the 22 soldiers said the press could be there(and only that soldiers casket was allowed to be seen by the press)
>>721056262 >seem like he cared about Americans >literally campaigned on MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN >changed to AMERICA FIRST after election >implying he doesn't care about America Also it would be pointless for him to show off for the troops. The military already loves him because he clearly holds soldiers in high regard. Appointing Mad Dog Mattis as Secretary Of Defense shows exactly how much Trump pays attention to soldiers. Consider the fact that (unless you're military yourself) you probably had no idea who Mattis even is before you heard that Trump wanted to appoint him.
>>721056807 This >is it GMO? GMOs are bad! >hey guys I'm now gluten free! >alternative medicine only!!! >Veganism is globally sustainable They're right that we should be concerned about climate change, but they're useless about other scientific aspects.
>>721057108 >we should be concerned about climate change I saw an episode of Colbert Report a while back where he interviewed a woman who'd written a book on global warming. He calmly asked her about how much the sea level would rise from the ice caps melting, how many square miles of shoreline would be submerged, how many homes would be displaced, etc and she gave very well-prepared answers.
Then he asked her how many people we would be able to fit in Greenland once that melts and she completely brain-locked. The look on her face was priceless, realizing on live television that global warming would also create new habitable land that she, in her years of study, had never even considered.
>>721056724 make america great again, the silent majority, both reagan campaign slogans.. literal copies. trump knows that, he made his money through the greed of wall st, and lost money when it eventually collapsed - twice it seems. lets not forget that Obama attempted to reign in wall st and was called a socialist muslim for it, and our current president will now reverse these things, including dodd-frank which prevents among many other things, a repeat of the mortgage crisis. How successful Trump actually was is unclear because hes guarding his tax returns.. which in itself is ridiculous bc it would take an investigation to actually be able to decipher any corruption, unless of course it's THAT bad. we also still don't know to which countries he is indebted. although if we were guessing, russia, to which his cabinet has finanical ties. as for loving the troops.. yea, everyone loves their own troops. troops feeling unsupported by the previous administration probably has more to do with the fact that the country itself was and still is absolutely torn on whether or not they should even be out there. just because someone yells america, doesnt mean it's your turn to set off fireworks. relax a bit, bc nationalism is a bit too easy to fall into.
>>721057703 ... yeaaaa, that's bc it was such a ridiculous question that she couldn't respond. as in, are you seriously asking if it'll be alright that our coasts are submerged because we can all move over to... GREENLAND?
>>721057943 >someone said these things before >therefore it's disingenuous to have that same sentiment Patriotism didn't start with Reagan, anon. And just because Reagan wanted to bolster America doesn't mean Trump can't also want to bolster America. You're implying that just because it's been said before that the second (lol) person MUST be copying the first (lol) one with out actually meaning it. And to be frank, that's completely idiotic.
I suppose next you'll tell me that I'm a racist just because the KKK also likes Trump, as if it's impossible for me to like him without also agreeing with everyone else who likes him.
i dont know why conservatives at behind a dude who is flat out saying he would reverse all the restraints obama placed on wall st and big business... i just don't get how you were once understanding of the fact that wall st and big business were fuckin out of control, and now because this douche says make america great, you're just gleeful and gay over the roll back of regulations protecting - US, from the same bullshit that caused our most recent financial crisis.
>>721057581 This mentality is a problem. If you believe there will always be an easy civil rights issue worth fighting for in your immediate vicinity, what will you do when the obvious problems have been solved? If the current state of the left is anything to go by, it looks like the answer is either to invent new ones, or pretend the old ones still exist somewhere, anywhere, even if there's no apparent evidence.
Why do you think so much attention is paid to irrelevant local issues like the "gender pay gap", arrest rates for coloured people or tranny toilets when elsewhere in the world homosexuals are literally being executed? It's because they're easy. It's easy to complain that somebody failed to use a gender-neutral pronoun on social media. It's hard to fix anything that actually matters.
Well, the world is running out of easily solvable black and white problems. When the issues you're fighting for cease to be issues, what are you going to do? Move on to something important? Or keep on telling women and black people that they're being oppressed by the white patriarchy because minority representation in X profession is X% away from the expected average?
>>721058733 the point is, it's not original, it's not as though he one day woke up and was like ahhh the silent majority. he already knew it worked, so he repeated it. and if they were so silent and won previously, then why are they still so silent. it's a false presentation of himself. he is, himself first, and trying to appear selfless at all times to compensate for the obvious, and admitted, greed
>>721058198 You completely missed the point, anon. There are parts of the earth that are, right now, too hot to be habitable. There are parts of the earth that are, right now, too cold to be habitable. Regardless of whether the earth warms or cools, the amount of habitable land won't really change that much. (btw, you should probably google "size of polar ice caps" if you actually still think they're shrinking)
>>721059011 >the point is, it's not original Neither is anything you just said. Every last word you just spoke has been said before trillions of times. The sentiment itself has been stated millions of times. By your own logic, you are a liar only repeating something someone has already said before because you believe it will work, and you don't even mean it.
>>721055685 >Believes that humans are subject to the same social structure as wolves, despite our advanced civilization and shit >Doesn't realise he is a human, a human of the aut-right no less. Your voting reason is still showing.
>>721059021 there are people who spend millions and an entire lifetime to study those places and get those pictures. for you to come along and look at a couple of google images... nevermind. yea you're right. if the coastlines and all the established cities and harbors of the past 2000 years wash away, all good. because well get to do it again somewhere else. where it's not hot anymore.
>>721059389 >look at a couple of google images >going straight to the images >not reading any of the many articles >literally looking at the pictures and ignoring the words literacy fail, anon. literacy fail.
>>721058825 This is actually one of the hallmark differences between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats believe in crippling regulations that have left small businesses crippled for the past 8 years with dumbass mandatory enrollments for their employees into ACA with plans they often don't need or want because a) they cost too much and b) they include coverage of specific conditions that the average person doesn't have a need for
Republicans, on the other hand,are for a less swollen bureaucracy and regulations that "big government" use to control private business (as often happens in socialist shitholes) and making decisions for the worker and innovators instead of leaving that freedom up to both the worker and the producer.
If you don't know this basic difference in ideology, you should probably stop trying to talk politics and pick up a fucking book for a while
>>721049056 >I don't often agree with her, but she nailed this one....
She's wrong though. He ended the Great Recession (the biggest one since the Great Depression), made the auto industry profitable for the first time since the 70's, caught Osama, ended two pointless and expensive wars, created 24 million jobs (Bush Jr. created like 2.5 million) and created the ACA, which will be used as the basis for future govt healthcare programs. If Obamacare is repealed it will just be a statistical and historical mark against Trump's own presidency.
>>721058881 not original poster you where replying to i just thought it was funny you where saying the libs where crying fake news. used this image to try to keep the sites neutral and did some quick googling. 1. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/trump-republican-congress-honeymoon-over-immigration-order/515067/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/angry-republicans-lash-out-at-trump-for-not-consulting-them-on-travel-ban/2017/01/30/3f7db742-e715-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html
>>721059169 no... whoever that was claimed that because trump says america first, he is clearly for america... i'm saying that is not at all necessarily true, and in fact, since its been said before literally, word-for-word, we can look to that as an example. the sentiment has been expressed countless times, and something similar has been said countless times for every administration, probably ever. i dont think any leader of a nation can get away without saying his interests lie firmly within that nation. so it's just not substantial. it's just a slogan. actions mean more. his interests, are in him, always. even the trip to the family members of the navy seal had to be publicized. america first riles nationalist sentiment, that's the only reason it's his slogan. i guess what you're getting at is how genuine it may actually be to him... maybe, he cares so much about himself, that he believes in helping himself he must be at the same time helping the united states. maybe. but that's as far as it goes for him. this is a person who has donated 10K to the PAL in new york, one time. one time. it is the only record of charity out of his own pocket. the trump foundation acts as a port, accepting donations and then passing them off in his name. on record, 10k, one time, is the most hes ever donated. this is not a selfless, country first mentality.
>>721060333 >caught Osama Are you going to credit him with the weather, too? He watched that shit on television, nothing more. Also no one actually *caught* Osama, they killed him and dumped his body in the ocean. >will be used as the basis for future govt healthcare programs It isn't a government healthcare program, it's just government rules superimposed on the private health care system. It forces insurance agencies to pay for everything, and it forces everyone to buy private insurance. And it's causing insurance agencies to be unprofitable, which is why they're raising everyone's rates so they can still make a profit after paying the bills for the narcotics addicts, adrenaline junkies, and sessile obese.
An actual government helath care program would be actual government health care that would eliminate the need for the private insurance industry, but the private insurance lobby won't let that happen.
>>721059597 !!!! regulations and no financial crisis seems a lot better than no fuckin regulations, a growing upper upper class and a stagnate middle and lower class with no fuckin benefits or assurances that all this wealth will eventually come falling down upon them. in this case, we're best off with a democratic president and republican states. the democratic president will continue rolling out popular safety-net plans and rep states will be there to reel it in when it's way too expensive. the alternative is a rep president who says fuck it im hands off while shit gets extremely polarized.
>>721060620 >chart doesn't even have The Onion >>721060947 once again... >it's been said before so it can't be true That's been said before in this thread, therefore you can't be honest. It's just a slogan. even your inconsistent capitalism, and excess, commas, have been done, before. maybe, you care so much about yourself, that you believe in posting the same thing at the same time posting the united i don't even know what the fuck you were saying at that part your sentence structure is gibberish.d this is not an intelligible, thought provoking post.
>>721061007 yeah, i think maybe npr is more just softspoken, their reports seem to just want to get the info out with out while not necessarily ruffling feathers so that might appear skewed left. >>721061027>>721061203 cnn is just in it for readers eyeballs and will say what they think will get the best reaction.
>>721061685 >might appear skewed left Don't get me wrong, I like NPR, but they are absolutely skewed left. Not by a huge margin, but they do have a slight left lean. That's not bad, I think a minimal partisan bias to information is not the worst, and in fact, it is what creates actual meaningful discussion between both sides (you know, how it should be).
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