as an european, i had a wish, that he keeps his promise about nato and yet he talked with merkel about how nato is important. Fuck this guy. hope he will still say fuck you for tafta, but im not so sure anymore.
>>720784791 as I witnessed here the main reason for not voting Hillary was because of fearing a Third World War, so I guess many people voted Trump to prevent that without caring much about his other promises during campaign (or withoug taking them seriously). And these people are now shocked that he, indeed, does as he promised.
>>720784791 over 70 percent of the country did not even vote for the fag so what why would anyone expect to like/want/be excited for the shit he is doing on a mass scale?
Quit being an easily triggered faggy right wing SJW ya queer and for the record around half the country voted and even if we only count those votes. Then still a majority did not want him. So the majority disliked him so of course a lot of people don't like the shit he is doing ya overly sensitive faggot.
I genuinely don't give a fuck but god are you Americans so dumb as hell and all up in your own asses with that cognitive dissonance when it comes to your respective faggy political bubbles.
>>720786005 >Do americans truely believe he is anti elite, anti establishement ?
From the looks of it he just has the percent of the population that easily believe shit like 9-11 being an inside job on lock so that 25 ish percentage of Americans believe everything he and his surrogates say at face value even if proof that says otherwise would exist.
>>720786756 >No Muslim ban, just naming Muslim countries he doesn't do business with. Making the left waste its ammo and inoculating the public. It's transdimensional backgammon and his underlings are already floating a harsher ban. >No Hillary in jail. It's happening, albeit slowly. >No repeal and replace, just repeal so far. I don't care about replacing it, but I agree that we'll see. >No enhanced interrogation. He deferred to Mattis for whatever reason. I trust he has a good one- and killing terrorists' families is still very much on the table. >No wall at Mexico's expense. Tarrifs will cause prices to raise in Mexico so the US will be paying for the wall and more for Mexican goods. You've been gaslit by the lying media. This will not actually happen and Mexico will pay for the wall. >No draining the swamp Five year ban on civil servants working as lobbyists says otherwise. >He has killed the TPP And NAFTA's next on the chopping block. >Anyone notice how he made money by signing an executive order for the pipelines he invested in? The man has so many interests it's impossible for him not to make money. The pipelines are good.
I get that it can be hard to stay whitepilled, but don't let yourself be deluded into believing that Trump is a traitor to the people who supported him.
>>720784791 only some voters say that all politicians lie and don't keep promises.
And most people who oppose Trump oppsed him before because of his policies, so they are not just hating him now for keeping his word - they hated him before and hated his ideas then.
so your question does not make any sense.
however, everyone who actually has a grasp on reality knows Trump lies all the time. Not about everything - he is doing things he said he would do - all of them dumb ideas as far as the economy, the environment and the people of the USA are concerned, but that makes sense because they are designed to make his cronies richer.
but the rest of the time he lies. he can't help it. he just makes shit up, mostly to praise himself and make him look good, which after all its the only way he could ever look good. he got a low vote (fewer than romney) and only won on a stupid system (he did not even get a big majority in the College) and is barely democratically legitimate. but he acts like he got a 100% support from everyone and says it was a landslide.
sad really. Same with the crowd at his inauguration - small, and he says huge. Delusional or liar?
and he has dumb orders written by people who do not know the law, ordering people to do stuff without any warning or preparation, and without asking any experts in the field if it is a good idea.
and he is either lying about global warming or he is a fuckwit. I think he is lying. he knows that the oil and coal industries are dying, and is giving his billionaire friends one last go at squeezing out a few more dollars with a tax dollar rip off bubble and a false PR boost.
but above all his stance on torture is disqualifying. not only is it illegal - and he does not seem to realise that - but it is also ineffective and is proven not to work - and frankly anyone who says "I approve of torture" should never be given power. He might as well say "I am an evil fucker who will tear your finger nails off"
>>720787117 Wow you BS'd your way through all of that. The only thing you said worth replying to is the cabinet positions. So he made them sign a form that says no lobbying for 5 years with no consequences which just means do it under your brokers name.
>>720787117 >He deferred to Mattis for whatever reason becuse Mattis knows that Trump is dead wrong. Torture not only does not work, and should never be supported for that practical reason but also it is a blot on the country's reputation. Torture is simply evil, and it is a stain on America's reputation abroad to say you support it or would use it. Trump has embarrassed the US with his ignorant and purely evil outlook, by saying he supports it. he should be waterboarded for a few days and then asked again. asked to sign a piece of paper saying he shot kennedy - he would do it. then impeached for being a fucking sociopath.
>>720787117 >Five year ban on civil servants working as lobbyists says otherwise.
lol - he appoints people who bought their positions, and arranges for them to rip off the taxpayer with private deals - he is lining up huge public works that will make real estate investors and developers billions - he is lining the pockets of the coal and oil industry and going to privatize the VA and all medical care - enriching the insurance and health care companies - and you think a ban on civil servants working as lobbyists in any way makes up for that?
>>720787901 Do it to make an example of someone. Do it as punishment for a particularly heinous crime. Do it to demoralize the prisoner's comrades-in-arms. Do it to confirm intelligence gathered elsewhere.
There are many reasons to torture an enemy soldier. The act may be distasteful but it's no more evil than any other aspect of war.
>>720787826 >he appoints people who bought their positions proofs.jpeg >he is lining up huge public works Oy vey, my local highway might not be total shit for once. This is clearly a major problem. >he is lining the pockets of the coal and oil industry They do a great job of that on their own. Also, the Koch brothers are anti-Trump. >going to privatize the VA and all medical care Sauce? >ban on civil servants working as lobbyists in any way makes up for that? It doesn't have to make up for it because most of that is either only a problem to leftists and cuckservatives, or is simply your own fantasy. But shutting the revolving door between Congress and K Street is a very, very good step in my opinion.
>>720788267 >proof.jpeg Betsy Devos for one. Never went to public school or managed something the size of the Department of Education, but her family has donated 200 million to republican causes over the years.
>>720788405 How much did her family donate to Trump specifically? Where did she go to school, if not a public school? Why is not having gone to a shitty school a problem, and how does it show that she bought her position?
>>720784791 >Trump: "I'm an asshole and I'm going to fuck you over" >Voters: "WTF did he just say? We need to stop this guy!" >Conservafag: "What he meant was _____. Don't worry. He literally doesn't mean what he said" >Trump does everything he said he would. >Voters: "We hate Trump" Conservafags: "Oh shi-"
>>720788055 All of those reasons are either ineffective or simply evil. It does not demoralize the enemy - they get mad and get stronger. It makes more enemies. It does not confirm intelligence - answers under torture cannot be trusted 9unless really specific, and absolutely certain that they are not something that could just be guessed or made up - so, basically never. And the other cruel and unusual punishment or using a human being to teach a lesson to other people - sorry but that is inhuman. it is psychopathic to think that way.
it is evil. (not saying other things in war are not evil as well - that is no argument to counter the fact that is is evil in itself. anyone who says its ok to do more evil because other evil has happened needs to rethink their moral position)
>>720788267 >>he appoints people who bought their positions >proofs.jpeg apart from Mattis, every major appointment paid money into Trumps campaign, or worked for people who contributed millions. You know this is true - stop asking for common knowledge as if it isn't/
>>720788267 >my local highway might not be total shit for once. which is great. But he does not have to make it so that private industry - his friends and his own companies - make billions from this. Billions taken from the taxpayer's purse and put directly into his pockets and those of his friends... there are other ways to do it, which would improve the infrastructure just as well, and boost the economy just as much, without paying off his cronies.
>>720788480 >How much did her family donate to Trump specifically? Unknown, but considering Trump isn't about using his own charity foundation illegally and lied about paying for his campaign all by himself, I'm sure some palms were greased. It also seems he wants to fill his cabinet with yes-men instead of people who are actually qualified.
>Where did she go to school, if not a public school? A private conservative christian school.
>Why is not having gone to a shitty school a problem Because it gives her no direct experience of how they work, and her whole goddamn platform is based on privatizes schools?
>>720788267 >, the Koch brothers are anti-Trump. which is why the supported Bernie for Democrat primaries...
lol. The Kocj Bros love what Trump is trying to do - release all coal and oil for exploitation and run up a bubble based on coal and oil! fanatstic. for them. becuasethey know that 80% of all their reserves is actually worthless, and cannot be used, and that falling renewable energy prices will soon mean that their coal is too expensive to use - and that their industry is doomed.
they may have some political objections, and hate the orange bastard for the smarmy lying cheater he is, but they will happily ride the bubble and cash the cheques...
>>720788267 >>going to privatize the VA and all medical care >Sauce?
are you that naive - read his policy statements about the VA - privatization is celarly ont e cards. what is his replacement for medicaid - he has floated thae idea that is needs reformed and his policy statements before the election said greater use of private health care - it is obvious.
>>720788783 I don't actually think that war is intrinsically evil. When you talk about war, you're talking about doing things that are usually considered extraordinarily evil in pursuit of a given goal. Whether that goal is just or not determines whether the war is evil, not the acts involved. You and me have very different moral positions, so I doubt there's anything to be gained from that train of thought.
Torturing enemy soldiers, or at least the threat of doing so, does in fact demoralize the army as a whole. Not knowing what's happening to a captured friend can wreak havoc on the psyche. Torture as interrogation is unreliable only when used as a primary source- it's perfectly usable as a secondary confirmation, specific answers or not. I'd argue that a prison sentence of decades is crueller than any death could ever be, which is why I'm in favor of corporal/capital punishment.
>>720788267 >It doesn't have to make up lol, well if you like being ripped off and sucked dry, be my guest. Just remember this conversation in four years time, and have the grace to acknowledge that you were wrong...
also her experience of public school policy is to promote private christian schools but prevent them from being examined and held to the same standards as public schools, and to not oppose her husband who is suing on behalf of creationists to undermine science education.
>>720784791 The dude could do everything the left wants and nothing for the right and still have them running around shouting how much they hate him and calling him a nazi. He's the left's boogeyman and nothing he does is allowed to be right or good.
>>720786524 And Mexico would implement a tariff on American imports to their country so they'll be getting their money back. People sending remittances would more than like find other way and skirt the law. In the end Americans will be paying for the wall no matter what.
Yeah, sure. Totally didn't do exactly what every fucking Republican scumbag president ever has done, putting the usual kinds of cunts in power and worse. The usual Christian establishment puppets that just do the same thing over and over.
>>720789240 I am not sure we have that different positions about war - I believe in a Just War theory. Also I think a quick death would be preferable for many rather than life in jail, and it should be an option they can choose - although I oppose capital punishment in general because of the vagary of the legal system - too many wrongful convictions.
but torture, for any reason, is the deliberate infliction of pain and suffering on a human being, to extremes. Even if it served a purpose, it would in itself be a dehumanising act for both the tortured and the person torturing. it is an offense against humanity. It is not justifiable.
You don't know that renewable energy is now approaching cost of new coal plants? that coal will soon not only be economically nonviable, but, when the world is set to rights and science once again is listened to, agreement not to burn coal and oil will be reached in the next ten years or so.
this is a last hurrah for big carbon - a final puch to squeeze a few more dollars out, by men who think they can buy security and safety from the effects of climate change, and do not give a fuck about the rest of us.
billionaires don't care about you. Even broke fraudulent ones like Trump.
>>720789706 We have a 60 billion dollar deficit with them so we're dependent on them. They're also the second largest importer of American goods, so if we tax them too much they do business with China. American manufacturers will still end up screwed.
If you shoplift, you might be looking at a thirty-day jail sentence or a $500 fine. That seems like nothing, but it's actually fucking huge. Being sucked out of life for a month means that you lose your job, lose your apartment, and so on. A $500 fine is your rent down the drain. But these are punishments that society now considers to be "humane." The alternative, the "cruel" option, is to get tied to a post and take a dozen strikes from a cane. Your back gets a little cut up, but you can still work and function in society. You don't lose your job or your home. And, as a bonus, you're made a ready example of- don't steal, or you get to get lit up as well.
Torture is really just the logical extension of that. I don't advocate livestreamed torture of serial murderers or child rapists, but knowing that that's the kind of punishment that such "people" earn themselves is hardly a bad thing in my mind.
>>720790020 but how much of the spending Obama was forced to do was because of Bush's totally fucked up unnecessary wars and his trickle down economics and his poor control of the housing market?
Obama did a fuck of a good job to turn the world economy round and recover from a massive depression. Trump's policies are pretty much guaranteed to undo a lot of that work, and fuck the economy further
he just said he isn't worried about a balanced budget... he wants to spend more on the army (why?) and give tax dollars to big construction and real estate companies to boost their profits...
>>720789671 I dont recognize the Union as a political entity that governs over Europe, its power is nog even democratic (Parliament has no power over the unelected commission)
The only EU citizens who call themselves EU citizens are people from corrupt Balkan Countries who want to flee to west europe and only to fool the naive twats in Brussels that theyre pro EU enough for visa free travel
>>720790726 It's certainly different, but it's for a different reason. Torture as a judicial punishment should really only be reserved for the worst crimes in my opinion, and it should end in death. Torturing enemy soldiers is another story, one that has more to do with pragmatism than morality.
>>720791202 ITT person who believes all power rests with president and congress, that laws no longer apply, that legal challenges don't work, that all political action only happens once ever four years in the ballot booth.
you sound a lot like Trump, who seems to think he is now God-Emperor and dictator for life.... foolish view
>>720791336 We'll the god emperor will be there for 8 years. Just think what he's done already in 10 days and then stop and think. 10 days into a minimum of another 4 to 8 years and look at what has already happened
>>720786190 >70% of the country didn't vote for Trump so that means that 70% of the country opposes him That's not how this works, I didn't vote for him out of laziness but I'm glad he's in office over Hilary. If you wanted to make a decent point you would get your head out of your ass and point out that roughly a third of the votes from either candidate voted purely on the fact that they didn't want the other candidate in office.
How does it feel that while our president is actually getting shit done your country will continue to get assfucked by muslims under the guise of "being inclusive and saving refugees".
Chances are that if forced to vote that 70% would have essentially the same outcome. You keep going back to >b-but most of the country didn't vote for him! Guess what dipshit, most of any country doesn't vote, that doesn't mean that the people who didn't vote don't support a viewpoint. There is a hilarious amount of projecting though in your post, you should probably work on that self esteem because the only person triggered here is you.
>>720791530 Did you graduate from diapers son? Can you read dates? Ain't no way in hell I can screen shot every fucking day by day on that site for ya and explain arithmetic for every day. Deny away Cali libtard
More like Voters: "nothings happening and we're mad, we need someone who is different and loud-mouthed to make us feel like were smart" *loudmouth elected* Voters:"shit, we may have wanted to stick with a diplomatic, civil and intellectual person."
>>720791698 while you are simply conned and believe everything trump says...
prediction - Trump's tax policy will result in huge transfer of wealth o the weatlhy, and falling revenuse.
Trumps spending policy will result in huge public debt, while real estate and construction firms, oil companies and coal companies, make record profits, pocketing tax dollars and getting tax breaks.
four years time - average prices of everything will have gone up due to tarrif wars, unelmployment will be no better, debt soaring, Trump will have several billion more in his bank account, you will be fucked, and so will your environment as he deregulates all the polluters and lets them screw you over.
>>720786237 I feel like people like to ignore how he doesnt think climate change is real. This is a huge problem for me and anyone who blatantly ignores that is retarded. I mean, he runs as a christian right? Even if its just for looks, you have to see how hypocritical it is to believe in that based on faith but not believe in climate change which holds tons of evidence.
>>720792147 Assuming climate change will kill anyone in the next 100 years it def won't impact you nor I by the time we did. Go talk to China if you want to stop immediate climate change. Had friends from Hong Kong who said there were days they couldn't even breath in their own apartments from the real damage.
>>720791915 The funny part also is the antifa riots and all the escalating violence now being perpetuated by radical left wingers. They don't realize that by condoning this sort of action they end up driving away a huge amount of centerist voters and making their whole party look completely unhinged. The best thing ever for the republicans is if these people keep escalating their violence and making the whole party look completely bat shit crazy
>>720791828 yes. He will be buried in four years, and so will the republican party in congress and senate. the Democrats will rise and crush them. And every day before that they will keep washing away at him - court orders and injunctions and states rights and rallies and public opinions and calling out his corruption and his lies.
he will go down as the worst president in history.
>>720792147 >But this smaller problem over here! Why do you people always assume that people agree with everything Trump says?
Most of what Trump says is agreeable, obviously there will always be one thing that makes him look like a dumbass, no presidential candidate is perfect unless you're a deluded liberal in which case anyone who wears blue is the perfect candidate (disregard the things evil racist and biased fox news says to the contrary)
Honestly I can't believe this election is making me defend fucking Fox News of all places, but they have been more rational this election than almost every other (mainstream) news source.
They have their biases of course, but that is to be expected
>>720792274 wrong. It is already affecting you, and me, and will get worse in the coming few decades.
most climate change scientists ahve been arguing for the last three decades that they have to be cautios and only present the most confirmed science - that they ahev to look at the best possible scenario, because they don't want to be accused of scaremongering.
and the oil companies accused them of scaremongering.
if you knew what they really think may happen very soon, you would be scared...
we are past tipping point. we are fucked right now. Trump and his carbon economy bubble will help to fuck us further, but actually, unless we do a hell of a lot now, we are already fucked.
>>720790843 >not taking in as much tax revenue Wow, I wonder how, after all the money we've saved by cutting taxes, we're even further in debt!? It's almost as if taxes are used to pay for government actions and social services!
>>720784791 No. No one will ever be happy because no one knows how in our fucked up society. All anyone knows how to do anymore is cry, bitch and moan about how they're being treated wrong wothout actually trying to do anything productive to change anything and in turn make our system worse by bringing about sheer ignorance and bias.
>>720792904 All those cool totalitarian things Obama slipped into being in America will now be tools for Trump to use. I don't thing anyone is recognizing how many tools to control the population the democrats had put into place. Enjoy the propaganda and mass survalance being used by trump now because everyone was fine with Obama making it happen. It's the most ironic thing to me and I'll laugh just thinking of it
The guy who responded to a state wide drought by letting a side a day to pray for rain at in a foot ball stadium and lowered the fire fighting budget.
God's response was wildfire.
Let's not talk about Pence, the closeted gay that is bff with the owner of Blackwater (the biggest security contractor out there), who believes the government only has true authority when it's backed by God
>>720792944 You need to worry about all of the developing countrys in the world(china/India) that make everything the world consumes with little to absolutely no environment cortrols or regulations. The western countrys have environmental controls and regulations that are responsible and bringing manufacturing back to the western world is the best case scenerio. People are going to make and buy products no matter what effects it may have and at lest having some regulations that take the environment into consideration is the best option
>>720793555 Look up operation mockingbird. Obama passed a bill to allow law enforcement to enter and impersonate the media. You like whistleblowers? You won't likely be seeing any as the CIA will be there pretending to be reporters to draw them out and when they try and get the truth out they will be arrested and not seen again. The threat will deter any others thinking about disclosure also. Trump has that hammer to wield against the populace now thanks to Obama as well
>>720793932 your forget that it will be MANY TIMES more expensive to manufacture those goods in the US, so the actual ppl who needs jobs in the first place won't be able to afford said products.
Also automation is taking over all kinds of production at a staggering pace, the only jobs available will be for educated ppl, so again no win for his voters.
ppl in the EU mass consume your media, and you fuck them in the ass by telling them you're backing out of the military alliance, and spying on everyone, forcing it down our throats with your backstabbing software.
do you really think the US economy will not be affected if your allies decide not to be your bitch anymore ?
>>720794044 The republicans have used the democrats tricks against them though anon. Quite a few of us read rules for radicals and studied democrat methods. You would be doing the same as always but the republicans have gotten wise to the tricks
>>720794306 They will bend the knee. There are many nationalistic movements being elected and rising world wide. The EU will come apart and the whole globalization meme is dissolving world wide. People are opposing and rejecting the failed idea. They have been trying this huge experiment for the last 60 years and look at the world now. It's a disaster and teatering on the brink of world war and people see this and are done. The governments are trying every trick they have to maintain their control but the swing is happening as we speak
>>720794726 All everyone sees is Marxists suckerpunching people and fleeing into the crowd before they have to actually confront someone. People also recognize the left calling anyone left of Stalin a nazi and saying it's morally ok to punch nazis. This is actually the best thing for republicans as it drives all of the centerists away from the extreme left. The small group of far left can all congratulate each other and feel like it's some sort of symbolic victory but the reality is it's driving more away and polarizing people. Keep it up and it could very likely lead the the complete destruction of the democrats
>>720794726 I don't know if this is b8 but >The scope of influence for Rules for Radicals is a far-reaching one as it is a compilation of the tactics of Alinsky. It has been influential for policymaking and organization for various communities and agency groups, and has influenced politicians and activists educated by Alinsky and the IAF, and other grassroots movements.
>The methods from Rules for Radicals have been seen in modern American politics. The use of congregation-based organizing has been linked to Jesse Jackson when he was organizing his own political campaign. The book was praised and used as an organizational guide by the Tea Party conservative group FreedomWorks during Dick Armey's tenure as chairman.
>huh. I read you guys shot up a mosque in Quebec. Most likely another brand of Muslims
>which is interesting, because you guys get keeping knocked out irl -- and then running, screaming for help.
Spencer is a fag, but he actually took the punch pretty well
>you're a puzzling people, conservatives. most are legitimate idiots ('useful idiots' is what the GOP calls them).
Take a drive through Democratic strongholds, like Baltimore
>>720795642 Please show one actual peice of evidence of Russian "hacking" you beleive in instead of repeating the Russian meme like a parrot that's been only watching CNN fake news. Aside from social media shilling there is absolutely no proof provided for any Russian so called hacking. It's the same as George bush's weapons of mass destruction the media rammed down everyone's throats to have an excuse to blow up Iraq
>>720796028 You willing to put people's lives on the line supporting unproven claims that could lead to a hot war? There have been enough cases of the us government completely fabricating "facts" to justify war and invasion that anyone not questioning wild allegations is unread and forgetting the whole gulf war and the entire Middle East shit show. I thought the democrats were supposed to be the anti war party? How did this shift to supporting warmongering suddenly become a-ok for democrats?
>>720791593 >>720786190 Actually, just as many people (give or take a few hundred thousand) voted for Trump as did Mitt Romney. The only reason Trump won was because of Hillary's shit campaign which could barely get votes in normally blue states. Almost half the country didn't vote (I feel like a lot of those people who didn't just hated both choices), and Hillary just barely won the popular vote so yeah, a lot of people were and are pissed off that Trump was running/won. Trump didn't even pull off a popular vote, he isn't liked in this country and never was. Hillary wasn't just shit enough to let him win.
>>720796163 The CIA has openly stated Russia didn't hack anything. They basicly say they tryed to sway public opinion- social media shilling and trolling. no actual interference. If there actually was something there you can bet the government would be all over it. You could basicly accuse all the governments in the world of doing the same and reddit and 4chan also.
>>720796230 I remember regan and the Berlin Wall being taken down on tv. I watched the challenger blow up on tv also. I've got a pretty good idea of what to expect at this point and have no illusions about what the government is
>>720795950 >Spencer Attention whore but generally helped White Identity politics move forward >Trump Populist demagogue Civic Nationalist but generally helped White Identity politics move forward
I can disagree with these two people on certain things, and agree with them on others, making any disagreements between the two moot to my particular interests.
> the alt-right no longer aligns itself with Trump, and we do not support him."
>Acting like this is news to me All of last summer Khazar Milker Slave, Niggerband, Nigger Best Man & co (The Daily Shoah), the band of cowards (Fash the Nation) and the purity spiralists (Radio Aryan circlejerk) were meming the following:
>Let's not make us work for Trump, but Trump work for us
The idea was >Elect someone closest to our interests >Push him, his administration, and congress closer to our interests >Act as the edgy vanguard so his reforms seem mild in comparison
>>720796167 >Post "'rules for radicals'.... so are you terrorists? lol 'rules for radicals'...."
>Reply "he scope of influence for Rules for Radicals is a far-reaching one "
>Counter-reply "oh we're still on the alinsky thing from the 1960's... "
Trump's voters love him. What are you talking about?
They tuned out the moment he won. Most of them only voted for him to protect fetuses and stick it to Mexicans and Muslims. They don't know what protectionism is or how it will drive up everyday costs for them, nor do they know or care who Steve Bannon is or why his appointment threatens the liberties of their children and grandchildren.
In short, Trump voters are mouth-breathing retards who voted based on their feelings and are no better than the whiney SJW's to whom they claim to be superior.
>>720797068 China is swinging their dick right now but are not going to start a war. They are pissed that trump recognizes Taiwan as they have plans to take it back and if the USA backs Taiwan they can't make a move. It's posturing and sabre rattling at this point. They can not exert force around the globe and will never be the world super power. America is going to be the global seat of power due to its global location and ability to send forces out from each coast and quickly reach anywhere on the globe. Their country is starting to stall and come apart at this point. They invested too much into infrastructure and the growth they experienced has stalled and are not the overwhelming power they present to the world
>>720797297 Seth rich or an internal leak. If they had absolutely any proof then they would have held it up high as their holy grail of proof of Russian hacking. You can't deny they would keep that secret if they had anything as it would have been a bombshell.
Also both of you are incorrect as to what the MSM narrative is, which is that Crowdstrike discovered tools used by Russian-based hacking groups in the DNC hack, which was then corroborated by two other private cyberintel groups, and then some intelligence offices with varying grades of certainty, which is hypothesised to be separate operationally but in the vein strategically as Russian-based propaganda through alternative media outlets and influencing the information flow to mainsteam media outlets (mostly using Wikileaks,the veracity of their disseminated documents haven't been challenged).
And considering that Trump wants to open up plutonium, uranium, oil, and natural gas exploration, the US' exports will likely increase over the next decade, seeing a net and per capita improvement in the US economy >>720786345>>720796057 It's the same concept as a landlord evicting a tenant in default The landlord 'pays' for the last month of rent up front, but the tenant ends up 'paying' in the long run, the landlord recovering the losses, and renegotiation a better position, with a stronger lease, with a better tenant thereafter.
Also >Hiking up the prices of specialized visas and passports issued to Mexican, Central American, and South American dignitaries
>Hiking tolls from non-US vehicles coming to the US
>>720797739 You may want to start prepping like us conservitives then if you beleive war is coming. Buy an AR and a couple thousand rounds of ammo. A good lvl4a plate carrier and a years worth of food and you will be set
>>720797277 >Post "'rules for radicals'.... so are you terrorists? lol 'rules for radicals'...."
>Reply "he scope of influence for Rules for Radicals is a far-reaching one "
>Counter-reply "oh we're still on the alinsky thing from the 1960's... "
>Reply That's what I call a non-sequitur.
>Counter-reply "conflating 1960 with 2017"
Are you illiterate or just unable to follow a comment chain? >>720797743 Also forgot to mention that the very act of plugging Mexico, C.Am and S.Am with people that would otherwise be flooding the US would force their institutions to deal with disaffected masses with little to lose, thereby leading to compliance with the US on national security issues.
>>720797739 > don't think china will start a war? China is not a superpower and its army, navy, and airforce are backwards as fuck. I'd argue the biggest threat is Russia should the US get into war with them:
>PRC Tied to the US economically >RF Sanctioned by the US economically
>PRC Pacific force projection >RF Pacific force projection and very close to gaining Atlantic force projection
>PRC Slowly waning in power over its landmass, concentrated around their command+control which is a sliver on the East Coast which rules over sparse West >RF Slowly gaining in power over its landmass, concentrated in Moscow and the West but also having many of its largest cities dotted along and across its resource-rich southern border
>PRC Resource deficient except for coal,some oils and rare earth metals >RF Resource rich in almost everything
>PRC's sphere of influence The US backs Japan, South Korea, Taiwan (secretly/notreallysecretly weaponizing them for decades), and Singapore, while keeping Bus/CIA/Diplo connections with HK, Macau, and Singapore while the PRC couldn't do dick about it
>RF's sphere of influence Iran and Shia proxies have always been a thorn in the US' side
>No Muslim ban, just naming Muslim countries he doesn't do business with.
Of course he's in this for business from the start. Everyone knew this except the trumpy cucks
>No Hillary in jail. This is what I wanted the most.
Why? She was found innocent of any illegal activities by 2 FBI investigations
>No repeal and replace, just repeal so far. Its only his second week so let's see.
Well he already got rid of preexisting condition safeguard, so more people will be dying and/or going bankrupt
>No enhanced interrogation.
Which has been shown over and over to be completely ineffective. Why use something that doesn't work, and only results in false information?
>No wall at Mexico's expense. Tarrifs will cause prices to raise in Mexico so the US will be paying for the wall and more for Mexican goods.
Also a wall won't do jack shit to keep anyone or anything from crossing through the MANY tunnels.
>No draining the swamp. He put almost all lobbyists and no where near the best person for the job that he also promised. Most of them want to destroy the department they work for.
(you actually thought he would do this SMH) Well technically big oil doesn't need a lobbyist if their golden boy is in charge of foreign affairs he can directly control policy to favor corporate interest. Cut out the middleman.
>No deporting all illegals, just the bad hombres now.
An impossible job every logical person said was impossible turns out to be impossible.
>He has killed the TPP so there's at least that.
Farmers and small businesses suffer most.
>Anyone notice how he made money by signing an executive order for the pipelines he invested in?
Yes, everyone noticed. Everyone knew this was his MO. That's why there's been a huge move to impeach him before he was even inaugurated. He also has money to be made in RUssia with oil.
>and it won't keep anyone out. The wall itself is one component. Other components include:
>Ground patrol, manned air patrol, unmanned/drone air patrol, day and infared camera surveillence
>Underground embankment to thwart tunnelers with cross-hatched rebar
>Seismic sensors to thwart tunnelers
>Navy/USCG patrol in the Gulf of California, Gulf of Mexico, and Pacific
>Buoys to detect cartel submarines
>Re-establishment and expansion of NSEERS and E-VERIFY, with biometric and bigraphic data used for both entry and exit to make a comprehensive screening and tracking system for those coming by air, sea, or land 'legally' but plan to overstay their visas
>they fly here. >1 Restrict magnets or incentives to come here, or to come here and then overstay visa >2 Establish aformentioned track/screen system >3 Create a culture of unwelcome and ramp up deportations
Their ability to 'fly here' will still exist, but their ability to cause the problems they do will be moot.
>>720798401 Read again. The line that >ALLLLL 20 intelligence agencies >1. Came out with a report on this >2. Corroborated the same thing >3. Corroborated to the same degree on all facts >4. Were entirely certain as to the veracity of their assessments is a bit of a misnomer
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