I hated that fucking movie, Watched it 3 times just to see if I was missing something but it was shit.
So many plot holes and the story went fucking no where. "oh look another super weapon, guess we'll have to blow it up single handedly, again" what was with that magic laser that split up and could somehow be seen from every planet in the galaxy? and the forced "humor"
>>720166374 Safe on purpose and I understand why. Disney bought the franchise for 4 billion dollars and they want a return. If you take a risk and it happens to be a misstep (like DC) then you'll start losing money.
>>720165224 I liked it the first time I saw it, except the "villain" who was an ugly pathetic retard, and a 1998-era CGI'd yoda chick, some problems with just having vaguely heard of the force and then being able to control and use it because hey why not, and then, there's this bit of JewJew Abrams SJW trash unecessarily fistfucked into the story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44H2_cu02P4
>>720166497 >literally every white male is a bad guy unless it's Han or a meaningless character >leads are a black guy and a woman >the woman is the biggest Mary Sue ever created >knows the inner workings of a ship another guy had for decades better than he does despite never leaving her planet >masters the force in seconds >defeats an opponent in a duel when he was trained by Luke and is incredibly force sensitive when she was trained by fuck all
The movie wasn't even subtle about it. Try not to be stupid.
>>720166972 >>720166970 >he didn't notice that there were other races working for the first order >caring about the race of the lead characters >doesn't realizethat anakin in phantom menace was just as much of a Mary sue >doesn't realize that Rey will be linked to the Skywalker lineage which means automatic force powers >Doesn't realize that Kylo Ren was shot by chewie prior to the duel and actually conflicted more than ever after killing his father, thus distracting him from the fight
>>720167693 >didn't notice that we did notice, and they were all made heroes, while whitefags were made villains, fags, and extinct, which is exactly what we've been fucking saying you dope >fully fucking realized anakins backstory damn near ruined the entire character of the greatest villain in film history, and that is why the prequels are not recognized as Star Wars films, but as shitty tribute flicks by a senile old man suffering from poor judgement and lacking a studio with the balls they had in the 70s to tell him to stfu >realized it and it's a bullshit point, luke still had to train his fucking ass off to make a rock wiggle >did realize it, doesn't fucking account for being a goddamn dark side wizard and getting half beaten by a plucky negro with no powers and teenage girl whose exposure to the force can be measured in hours on one hand.
I appreciate your effort to try to make it work for you, but it's a lot of effort.
>>720167693 I agree with some of what you said, but Anakin was born purely of the force, even he needed training to pull off force feats though. He had been flying "all my life!" Which was the only thing he did in that movie. Luke had to do mad training an still got whooped. A woman being brutalized is too much for modern day America to handle but killing off one of the most iconic characters of all time is no big
>>720170273 >did realize it, doesn't fucking account for being a goddamn dark side wizard and getting half beaten by a plucky negro with no powers Other than that he was a trained soldier for his entire life. > teenage girl whose exposure to the force can be measured in hours on one hand. Describes Luke in the first movie as he blew up the Death Star. Also she had spent her life beating off traders and thieves in a desert with a stick so it makes sense she could fight. And again, Ren is hardly a "dark side wizard" akin to Darth Vader, and more like a edgy, annoying teenager filled with angst akin to you.
>>720170273 >didn't notice that the minorities working for the first order actively partook in the destruction of five planets which makes them bad guys in the movie's logic
>Luke had to train his ass off to wiggle a rock >But not to destroy the death star
>doesn't realize the negro got lucky >doesn't realize that she used the force in the same bullshit way Luke did (Except for the mind trick scene, that was bs)
It's almost like you're only seeing what you want to see
>>720170591 Well sure, but let's not forget that he didn't" just fly", destroyed the ship controlling all the droids. He pulled stuff out of his ass too, especially when not familiar with the Naboo fighter
>>720172040 I think they were going for the fact that she's supposed to be a prodigy with the Force (it's literally called The Force Awakens), but the movie doesn't portray it terribly well, making it seem like she's powerful without a cause.
>>720165224 No. The OT is the best. PT had bad directing and acting, but it had the best concepts of the entire series, and the basic arc of the trilogy was interesting and fit into the OT.
TFA had no original concepts, cardboard characters, and the lead was the definition of a Mary Sue. The not-Death Star and having Rey nuke Ren was what really killed the movie for me. It had no good set pieces and there wasn't a "that scene" that every Star Wars up to this point has had. I really hope Rian Johnson can clean up JJ's mess and make the series fun again and make me like the new characters and not just watch it for the nostalgic characters.
I don;t hate George Lucas even if the PT was a misstep, but I fucking hate JJ Abrams and Disney for pumping out this souless shit, and I hate the dumb fans who crucified Lucas for the PT but are giving this dogshit not only a pass, but lauding it. TFA is a litmus test for if you understand narrative and character progression.
>>doesn't realizethat anakin in phantom menace was just as much of a Mary sue
He got his arm cut off, fell to the dark side, and was assraped by obi wan. He was saved multiple times through the trilogy.
>>doesn't realize that Rey will be linked to the Skywalker lineage which means automatic force powers
Both Anakin and Luke needed training to utilize the force effectively. Also, if this is the case then Kylo Ren should be that much more powerful since he is a Skywalker and he has training.
>>Doesn't realize that Kylo Ren was shot by chewie prior to the duel and actually conflicted more than ever after killing his father, thus distracting him from the fight
Even if this complete supposition is true, why would you write a scene that has no stakes? This is terrible writing. You don't nerf the antagonist right as the protagonist confronts them, that takes away the tension and threat.
It was a shitty movie, people just need to accept this.
>>720173110 I agree with this pretty much, though you really shouldn't blame Disney for buying Star Wars pump out souless shit. Blame George for selling it.
>>720173263 They didn't know that, studio execs blew 4 billion on a dead franchise, how would they know if it would work? All they knew was that the prequel trilogy had bad reception pretty much all around, and the smart choice was to distance themselves from it by creating a movie reminiscent of the OT.
Next movie is Rogue One, a small dip into a new EU for the franchise and a test to see what they could do with what they bought. But of course they still had to be safe by placing it during the time of the OT, because it's only their first step after all.
Also a $200 million budget is nothing? Jeez you must be loaded.
>>720174454 >They didn't know that, studio execs blew 4 billion on a dead franchise, how would they know if it would work? because it's one of the biggest movie properties of all time, one that's never really left the public eye?
like, they wouldn't blow four billion on anything less
>>720173974 >he thinks phantom menace is the whole trilogy >he thinks comparing one movie to a whole trilogy is a fair comparison
>both anakin and Luke needed training to use the force effectively Thats why they both blew up their respective death stars with minimal to no training? And yeah Kylo Ren should and will be more powerful in the coming movies, that much is obvious.
>Why would you nerf the antagonist? Because if you don't then he would steamroll them. Which would also be a tensionless scene.
>>720174419 >it makes sense for a standard stormtrooper to hold his own against a sith > against a sith >a sith Kek, ok buddy. Even if he was a Sith, he had just been shot. Not to mention that he hardly "held his own." He just barely survived for about half a minute.
>>720173974 these are fair points, but >You don't nerf the antagonist right as the protagonist confronts them, that takes away the tension and threat. if Rey and Kylo weren't presented so poorly, this would have been fine, Kylo's biggest show of strength was all the way at the start of the movie (it was extremely impressive, and then there was dick all like that again, he looks like a raging tard) and Rey was presented as being ridiculously good despite being new as fuck
so it seems like instead of nerfing the antagonist so she could have a chance at not dying against him (like it should have been if the movie was better written), it seemed like they were kicking a dog that was already down, and that she could have probably actually ended it all right there had they not needed to extend shit for two more episodes
>>720176043 >haven't seen R1? I have, I just don't like comparing it with the main series since it's supposed to be something different. If I had to compare them though, I'd put R1 alongside 6 and 3. I liked it but it's got flaws.
>>720176388 Batman >trains for literally decades to fight crime >gets the crap beaten out of him frequently >filled with guilt and self-loathing >everyone he loves dies terribly >shown to have issues with pride, love, emotions, and social behavior Sure, Batman's totally a Mary Sue. Faggot.
>>720177202 Most adults that have liked Starwars still do like Starwars, its a hugely popular franchise and just had a game released that sold 14 million+ copies. I really dont understand how you think this is a dead franchise, anything they release under that name will sell.
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