>>720135061 Yeah, when the EPA prohibited fracking companies to dispose of their "waste" water that ended up resulting in the sudden rise in earthquakes because they were forced to pump it back into the holes they drilled is really protecting the environment.
>>720134746 >>720134746 HAve you come up with something better...? Well fuck NO so shut the fuck up about fossil fuels. THERE isn't better out there and Batteries are caustic as fuck for the environment. Troll HARDER mate.
>>720133484 Fuck the environment! We have to kill it before it kills us. You ever go in the environment? Of course not, if you had a bear would have eaten you and you couldn't post now. Where do you find poisonous spiders, snakes, wolves, and bears? Yeah fucking right! In the environment. So start rolling coal and make America great again.
>>720136237 I live in canada and plan on moving to the USA, youre a fucking retard and a pussy if you cant admit a country is superior than yours and offers more possibilities. Enjoy being a loser all your life.
You fucktarded simpleton. The only reason these piplines are an issue is because Billionare Warren buffet already ships this oil by train. He owns the trains. Trains get derailed a lot. Imagine when a train full of oil gets derailed. Stop being a useful idiot.
>>720133484 The environment is fine. The protests about environment and native americans were a charade by Saudi Arabia; Saudis third part funded while leftists intellectuals were paid to orchestrate it. Saudi Arabia does not want the Dakota Pipeline because the US would import more oil from Canada; Saudi Arabia would lose sales/money from the pipeline. Saudi Arabian gave $25 million to Clinton foundation for her run for presidency becausw she would stop the pipeline unlike Trump. This had nothing to do with environment so stop being a sheep.
>>720137417 Just like trump dismantling obamacare is only happening because the insurance companies (the same ones who donated millions to Obama to get it passed) are tired of paying poor people's medical bills
Obama fixed everything that Bush fucked up. Trump is going to undo all that and fuck the US up again. And in 4 years a new democratic president will fix Trumps mistakes. That seems to be the patter. Republicans fuck shit up, kill jobs, increase debt massively, Dems come in and fix it.
>>720136233 Not tree huggers. Big oil put so much negative ads out for it and people are scared their will be a chernobyl when the problem with that one was the safety requirements weren't upheld and they had barely any standards compared with today. Even though chernobyl caused less environmental damage than oil does
people bitching about an oil pipeline using their computer or smartphone manufactured from plastic and made in Asia and probably delivered to their house by Amazon, none of which was possible without oil.
>>720137000 I love having some of the highest power costs in the world cause we use hydro instead. Its so nice living here in Canada. The carbon tax is totally needed when we reduce carbon emissions by 5x what we produce of it XD.
>>720137353 > Saudis third part funded while leftists intellectuals were paid to orchestrate it >Saudi Arabia would lose sales/money from the pipeline
i mean, you could pull your head out of alex jones' asshole at any moment and refresh yourself on the last six months of oil commodity/ oil futures prices and bumbling by the OPEC to realize DAPL would do little to affect the global competitveness of Saudi oil, but everyone has to grow to understand the world around them at their own pace.
>>720137558 Obama fixed everything that Bush fucked up? That's complete bullshit. Look how many lazy millennials there are begging for the minimum wage to be raised at their shit-tier highschool level jobs, free college, and safe spaces. You have to seriously be a fucking idiot to believe America was heading in the right direction.
Also, > republicans fuck shit up and kill jobs
It's just a matter of time before the quiet ones come out of the woods and start shutting you liberal pussies the fuck up for good.
Oil pipelines shouldn't just be able to go through absolutely anywhere, but this country runs on oil and they have to go through somewhere. This is relatively unpopulated land in the middle of nowhere. Sorry, Indians.
>>720137558 This pattern has been happening with domestic, economic and foreign policy since 1968. No one ever remembers this, much less learns from it. It will continue to happen until the country eventually gets it so wrong that it implodes.
The vast majority of people including you, know absolutely nothing about how these pipelines work, how useful they are, and how safe they are. You just hear a bunch of idiots whine about it and think it must be true. Absolute stupidity of the masses.
>>720138020 My grandparent's generation worked hard for their minimum wage and knew the value of a dollar after either being brought up in the great depression or working through it (also war bonds). Millennials would rather buy expensive clothing and gadgets than take care of themselves.
>>720138291 fuck your grandparents. they got free college and at-prime or superprime mortage rates or mortgage assistance on the G.I. (aka nanny state) program that people would eat each other's babies over today.
>>720138286 this particular pipeline will not benefit the usa except for the building of it. the pipeline isn't to supply use with oil and the path it's taken will contaminate drinking water, not might will. if the pipeline supplied us with oil and actually went a route that wouldn't fuck with shit it'd be good but then we would need to rebuild refineries which we haven't leading to the high oil prices.
>>720134611 >The Dakota pipeline is the safest and most advanced pipeline to date.
I'm betting on the following happening.
1. Tar sands are barely profitable now. 2. Carbon taxes and electrification of transportation is going to drive the demand for oil down. 3. Price of oil will fall below the level where tar sands are profitable. 4. Tar sand mines will close. 5. The Dakota pipeline will shut down and the bonds will hard default. 6. Because the government underwrites the bonds the US tax payer will have to pay.
>>720138542 Do you think think literally everyone and their mother used to go to college? Higher rates are cock blocking a bunch of people but that's not the point
Obongo has nothing to do with tumnlr and it's infection in college, should read up on his opinion on colleges and challenging opinions >>720138586 You both realise I'm speaking in past tense right? No of course you don't. Because you're both still in high school.
>>720138700 People just don't understand what pipelines are. Most people don't even think they have a pipeline connecting to their house. There are thousands upon thousands of pipelines everywhere around the country but as soon as they get bigger everybody loses their shit.
>>720138070 Not that it will matter, but..., point of information: The Bush Administration did not include or declare the costs of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq as part of the national budget, deficit or debt. When Obumbo took office one of the first things her did was to include tose $$$ into the totals in the interest of 'transparency'.
Another interesting bit of trivia: Bush also ordered the Department of Labor to reclassify 'assembling' a burger at McDonald's as a 'manufacturing' job in 2003 in order to obscure the fact that the US was hemorraging those jobs. It worked.
BTW..., I'm a Repub who voted for Trump..., but you should have your facts straight.
>>720138726 in the same society, same country, even same state, people can have completely unequal opportunities available to them - made possible by public policy, the lack thereof, or the beliefs of the people around them.
never forget much the U.S. hated Italians, even second gens, around that time.
>>720139093 different anon, but being a solar technician is probably a more useful skill than working in a refinery. start your own business, etc. good for the economy, certainly better than too big to fail oil companies. not to say there won't be big solar, just an easier access market with less capital required.
>>720133484 Can someone explain this to me, once the pipe is laid its not like its going to be dug up again so why the fuck is everyone having a shit fit about it saying its the end of the environment, there are miles and miles of pipes across the us why does this one matter so much.
>>720139351 On April 2 2016, the TransCanada Corporation Keystone Pipeline was observed by a local resident to be leaking, near Freeman, South Dakota. The cause was a crack in a girth weld, and amount of tar sands dilbit spill was about 16,800 gallons
>>720139608 >ignoring human error >ignoring the fact that the epa hailed the pipeline as the safest in American history Seems like you're the only one talking out their ass here bud. Keep cherry picking your facts.
>>720139466 Not taking a position in favor, or against, but in answer to your question: They fuck-up and break and/or leak. Like with significant enough frequency to consider. You just don't hear about it all the time because it's not "news" unless it dumps into a river, or something. Fairly recently about half of a sizable town in Arkansas got covered in crude oil when an Exxon pipeline ruptured.
>>720138661 >We need jobs. Just because you live off your parents money doesn't mean the rest of us can. Low to 0 skill jobs like threading a nut on a bolt. Then we can unionize and get great pay for having 0 skills. America, fuck yeah!
Or are you a robot? If you are a robot Trump will bring jobs back to America for you.
>>720137926 Minimum wage. People used to have minimum wage, and when cost of living goes up and you're not even making minimum wage. You get fucked.
Free College. Yeah because fuck education right. Let the poor people stay fucking poor and get no where in life.... sure assholes like you will say "get a better job" but without a better education they can't. Free colleges would be good. It would give the poor a fighting chance, and you could still have your Harvard and Yales.
Safe spaces: what does that have to do with Obama?
You have to face the facts. Republicans for the last few decades have constantly fucked shit up. Starting with one of the worst presidents of all time Reagan.
>>720140043 the water is an issue since you dont want to contaminate the water which this particular one is the only source the people use thus they get fucked. other pipelines avoid stuff like this so thats why its a big issue here since they could just go around. the people get to build it and thats it. obama administration fucked over usa on stuff like this
>>720136044 We don't, but oil companies have all the patents to alternate sources of fuel because jews so unless someone can develop a new water-powered car and then NOT sell the designs to an oil company we might have a chance.
>>720140400 You're lying. The water that could possibly be contaminated is no longer being used and they have a better more advanced reservoir now purchased by the pipeline company. Even if they were going to use that old water source they couldn't now because the protesters contaminated it by digging shitholes all over.
>>720140231 Again with retarded people wanting to do away with shit that is there to protect them.
There are people who abuse unions no doubt. But take it from someone who worked for 30 years in the same fucking field in a non-union job only to be laid off because someone will come and do my job for much fucking cheaper.
30 fucking years I gave to the company, and because of money and wanting to maximize profits they decided to fuck me over. THIS is why unions are needed. So that a company who wants to make the most money they can, can't do that at the expense of the people who have worked for them for ages.
Now I'm looking for a job with a horribly dated education.
>>720138900 We all still here doe. Shut the fuck up and stop bitching about shit you dont understand. Nobody has a legitimately man made climate change proof. No one has figured it out yet, we could just be going through the natural chnages of our planet as we orbit around the galaxy.
>>720140749 He said he will be the most transparent, and get rid of the corruption, then fails to prove he is not corrupt and that we should take his word on it, because someone that is corrupt would never deny it or anything
>>720140690 Jesus Christ you're an idiot. You do realize there's more than one pipeline design right? There's a fucking pipeline running under your house and into your stove. How often does that leak? I'm guessing nearly never because it's safely situated under ground. There's a fuckton of pipelines running under literally every street in America.
>>720141195 complete anecdote but there was actually a gas leak on my street on christmas
"Keystone, which runs about 2,150 miles from tar sands in Alberta, Canada, to refineries in the U.S. Midwest, is less than a decade old. After being commissioned in 2010, it reportedly recorded 35 leaks in its first year alone, including a spill of 21,000 gallons of oil in North Dakota."
>>720134165 Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA) data on pipeline incidents in the last 20 years indicates that "Significant incidents" number at 5675 since 1996, or about 300 per year. That's a "significant" incident most days of each of the last 20 years. Add in 347 fatalities, 1346 injuries and a cost of 7 and a half billion dollars in damages in that same period (not to mention the threat of climate change) and you might begin to see why people have a problem with our current pipeline coverage, moves to expand them and indeed our addiction to fossil fuels more generally.
>>720140318 >Minimum wage. People used to have minimum wage, and when cost of living goes up and you're not even making minimum wage. You get fucked. Minimum wage. The minimum goes up but wages above that do not. Meanwhile prices inflate due to the increase in min wage. All the money flows up to the top. the rich get richer, the poor stay poor, and the middle class become poor. Increased Min wage means a better life if the neighboring state doesn't receive it and stays a good place to shop and buy housing. When it happens nationally it helps the rich. >Free College. Yeah because fuck education right. Let the poor people stay fucking poor and get no where in life.... sure assholes like you will say "get a better job" but without a better education they can't. Free colleges would be good. It would give the poor a fighting chance, and you could still have your Harvard and Yales. Yeah lets buy hobby degrees with absolutely 0 earning potential for poor people who want to say they are a philosopher, gender studies master, art appreciation jedi, theater star, etc. Loans and grants should only be given to people with marketable degrees. Free education would have to work the same way (and if you are poor you should sign over your fertility rights for the free education. no point in wasting tax payer dollars because you decided to "make babby!" during you Sr year, and drop out).
>>720141331 >. You're not supposed to actually like or trust ANY of them Literally stopped being a big meme in the 80's >Ausfags able to understand the purpose of the electoral college Shit up another thread.
>>720141204 >B: even if it's a natural cycle, why not take means to prevent any damage were causing?
The appropriate action would depend to a huge extent on how much damage we are actually causing -- my view is that demonstrable changes in global temperature are not causing any actual damage, nor are likely to in the future, based on what actual trends are as opposed to models that have been consistently wrong in predicting trends.
So the need to do much about it seems small.
Further, the cost of what you want to do is a factor. Leftists have a huge shopping-list of leftist nonsense that they want to impose, which would be hugely expensive in terms of monetary costs, as well as human costs accrued from degraded lifestyles. Not all of us want to live in a tree and eat raw squirrel with you guys, Fairly simple and very safe geoengineering concepts are out there that could be subjected to testing, and quickly discontinued if there were negative effects (SO2 spraying at high altitude mimics the ways in which volcanoes naturally cool the atmosphere, for example.) But solving the problem (warming) is not of interest to the Left unless it also involves wealth redistribution and Luddite nonsense where we all get to freeze to death in the dark for the greater glory of Gaea.
>>720135555 They really don't. I know a lot of crackpot backwater internet blog "scientists" through work who are devout Christians that are staunch believers in both the young Earth theory (and even some flat Earth) and that climate change has nothing to do with us and is just how things go. Most of them cite "WELL WE HAD A COUPLE ICE AGES! WAS THAT OUR FAULT TOO?!"
>>720137236 That actually tells nothing cause the climate always changes. I dont deny the anthropological greenhouse-effect, but you are talking bs. It's not the temperature change that proves anything, it's the concentration of co2 and other gasses that favour said greenhouse-effect. When you look back in human history there were quite some bigger climate changes in shorter timeperiods than a century. When we look at fckw, methan or co2 concentration we are at an all-time high(in human history)because we release lot's of them by burning fossil fuels, using chemical products or breeding billions of animals for meat and milk production. Temperaturechange doesnt prove shit. Chemical analysis of the atmosphere does. If you want to doubt that these gasses have an impact on our climate ( the greenhouse effect), you can do it. Doubting that these gasses exist or have the POTENTIAL to impact our climate (suggested by scientific experiments) makes you either an expert who knows something the public doesnt know or a retard. It's not religion it's science and you are free to prove ppl wrong. Tl;dr temperature change doesnt mean shit; the greenhouseeffect is likely to exist; you are all idiots and i am cool.
>>720141650 >Yeah lets buy hobby degrees with absolutely 0 earning potential for poor people who want to say they are a philosopher, gender studies master, art appreciation jedi, theater star, etc. Retarded fucking thinking. They're trying to better themselves, and have a fighting chance and it would literally cost you penny's but your such a fucking dick that you're against it.
You're full of hate for people, and you're gonna get cancer because of it. And not be able to pay for it since it's such a costly disease to fight.
>>720141558 >this The earth will be there for a long time after we die. Just because it becomes uninhabitable for us eventually doesn't mean we fucked the "environment" it just moved on. The end of humanity doesn't mean the end of the world.
>>720141807 Cite these "bigger climate changes in shorter timeperiods"
All of this sounds like the recent shift in rhetoric climate change deniers have taken. Don't outright deny it anymore because even idiots are aware of its reality at this point, just obfuscate the point with misdirection and claim climate change isn't actually a big deal because . . . because . . .
>>720141769 There was a water main burst on my street not long ago. Something can considering safe and advanced and still fall prey to human error, manufacturing defects, natural occurrences. Nobody here is campaigning that is 100% perfect without any form of flaw or defect, just that it is a more reliable and safer alternative to trains or trucks. But fuck, if you're too dense to understand that by now then how the fuck am I going to change your mind, asshole?
>>720141769 That guy isn't even me you moron. You said it yourself it's an anecdote. It's virtually worthless in an argument and the keystone shit's been addressed a ton in the thread already. You're just autisticly screeching the same shit over and over again.
>>720141543 Kinda interesting -- you let slip that it is not the pipeline, the method of transport, that you object to, you just want to fore everybody else to freeze in the dark without energy to run a civilization.
Tell you what -- you guys cut your oil use to zero, leave the rest of us alone. That should put a huge dent in fossil fuel consumption, given how many of you there are.
And perhaps you will learn something as you sit there, teeth chattering, contemplating the wall.
>>720142022 buying them an unmarketable hobby degree does them less good than buying them a blinged out escalade and will cost more. With gender victimization degree they spend 5 (4 year degrees take an average of 5 years) years out of the workforce living on teh tax payer's dime. after that they are just as able to get a barista job as they were 5 years earlier. With the Escalade they can spend 5 years serving coffee to get to that same point. You for buying a blinged out Escalade for (yourself I assume) and all the other poor people? Even for marketable degrees you have to lock down how much college costs otherwise colleges will gouge the system (tax payers)
>>720142127 But if the argument is long term damage pipelines are still massively dangerous over all. Just because you want to compare who stole how many cookies, doesn't mean someone didn't. People aren't luddites (not that you know what that means) because they don't want flammable water coming out of their faucet. Fuck you.
alright, i did. looks like as far as oil spilled it goes truck > pipeline > rail > boat
>>720142399 well, i did say it was an anecdote. just trying to lighten up a nasty debate that has no impact on the world anyways.
answer the point about the flaws in pipeline design, though. i don't think it's fair to say that there aren't going to be any problems just because the EPA, which you disparage anyways, says it's "pretty safe"
>>720138116 Seriously. COL has become so fucking high in so many places that it isn't Millennials are lazy for wanting to be paid more for less but that they're getting tired of working hard for less than they could get for the same wage as past generations could.
>>720141305 >On 4chan >Can understand shit posting, or meme Please click the little x in the upper right corner of your screen. >>720141709 False comparison, you dumb faggot. Is your troll logic content yet?
>>720137864 None of what you say argues against what I stated. International price of oil does not affect who buy from who; costs to import/export the oil does. You have to pay for transportation and its much cheaper to buy the oil from Canada instead of Saudi Arabia if the pipeline is built. The only reason the price has dropped is because there is a surplus of oil in the arabic regions do to a low economic performance in most countries.
>>720142578 You keep saying it's unmarketable degree, like they're going to choose womens studies instead of something relevant. Poor people who would actually go to school aren't going to waste the opportunity on a shit degree. Rich white people do that.
>>720142645 They don't just say it's pretty safe. It's the safest in American history. Just because it can fail doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. By that logic we shouldn't be flying planes or sailing boats.
>>720143029 you know how rare it is for a plane to crash? something like 28,000 flights a day in the us alone and maybe 3-4 crashes a year. oil pipelines on the other hand fail super, super, super often
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