When is this world going to realize Religion is what's stopping us from progressing?
Religion is good for nothing, it causes conflict, and violence.. When will people get rid of God?.. i think we should mass execute people of faith and let the word spread, having them run scared... but we wouldn't be doing this for the sake of killing, but for the sake of a more clear and progressive future..
Almost everyone would be better off without a God in their life.
>>720124714 I agree. I think that as soon as peole realize that we don't care what magic skyfairy you pray to to absolve yourself from personal responsibility, the world will be a better place.
Of course I have no problem with people believing in magic sky fairies to absolve themselves of personal responsibilities. The issue however is that tese people want to share their convictions with others, and that is where the conflicts come from.
I believe that if we stopped making religious institutions tax-exempt, we would see a sharp decline in religions.
>progressing Into what exactly? More factories left to rott as we build more that will eventually rott? Progress our races into one race? >being a progressive in the year TRUMPthousand17 Good luck with that namby pamby bullshit. >million woman march to stop signing of defunding of planned parenthood >trump signs 2 days later. You all should probably take that as a wake up call.
>implying "progress" is a thing >implying the Abrahamic conceptualisation of "God" is the only one in existance >implying people will ever stop killing/raping as long as there is anything shiny or shaped like a vagina on this entire planet
1. Christianity laid the foundation for science. 2. Science and religion are not two opposites, as a matter of fact science and religion go together quit well. 3. Most conflicts in the world were never about religion in the first place. I bet you can't even name two wars based on religion. 4. Marxism for example is based on atheism but has caused hundreds of millions of deaths.
Go fucking educate yourself you piece of shit before blaming evrything on religion.
>>720124714 Religion is a perfectly logical response to the realization of ones own mortality.
One day we will die. It's nice to know that there is a higher purpose than just going run getting laid in order to propagate the species.
I mean, if the true meaning of life was just to propagate the species, imagine how much of a sucker you would be living a life of celibate meditation or spreading the word of some made up fanfiction cobbled together from a myriad of ancient egyptian, zoroastrian, jewish and latter roman sun deities to form a barely legible narrative of some jealous god that killed off an avatar of himself to absolve humanity of a sin that the god imposed on man in the first place after man acted upon his own free will, as gifted to him by the god.
>>720124714 I'm as ardent an anti-theist as you'll, OP, albeit think more along the lines of Hitchens rather than Dawkins, but I'd still argue that its quite simplistic and incorrect to think that removing religion is the panacea for our problems. Religion is a symptom of our problems, as Marx says it is the "soul in a soulless world." People turn to it because they cannot bare the harshness of living with the toil and unfreedom of our sick and broken societies.
You want to remove religion, truly scrub the earth of it and all thats wrong with it? You need to remove the impulse for it. And in order to do that, you must fix our society and make people free and happy to the extent that they need not prostrate themselves before a god for purpose and hedge their bets for happiness in a nonexistent afterlife.
>>720126397 >the Holy crusades >religious conquest and imperialism from Spain >implying anything ISIS or Israel kills and destroys isn't in the name of God >implying Christianity doesn't actively deny scientific claims
Rape is perfectly legal in the bible, although you are possibly forced to marry the girl if you take her virginity.
Murder, although explicitly forbidden by the 10 commandments, can be forgiven in the right circusmtances. Pope Urban II promised that anyone who spileld the bood of saracens for example, shall be rewarded by the eternal repayer of man. He might have been lying of course for political purposes but as god's representative on earth, who am I to judge?
Regarding sinning, Jesus himself tells us that no matter what you have done in your previous life, as long as you believe him to be the Ressurection, we will be blessed with Everlasting life.
In islam, you go to heaven if you follow the 4 pillars. There is no repentance on your deathbed. Islam is more about the daily things such as praying and charity and so on.
I am sure christians have some sort of balance thing and if you point it out where it's written so in the bible then that would be great.
>>720126868 All of which had a good intermixing of political and economic causes within them. To just take the first two, because those two are what I'm most familiar with, the Crusades had a lot to do with the lords of Europe lacking new lands to partition for their noble sons. Sure enough, devout and godly men went to the Holy Land for exclusively religious reasons, but many others went to build new empires and dynasties and to seek new wealth and power.
Likewise, the 30 Years War was as much about the conflicts between Protestants and Catholics as it was about the various little Germanies chafing under the Emperor's rule and seeking autonomy. It is no coincidence that the end of this war is seen in the history books as the official birthdate for the modern nation-state.
Religion plays its role, its a toxic thing on pretty much every perceivable level analysis, but it is so intertwined with the other aspects of human life that it is hard to isolate it as a sole cause big events like wars.
If you want to argue about how vile religion is on its own I'd suggest beginning with looking at how, mechanically, all faiths are cults. They all, without exception, prey on the weaknesses of human reason to manipulate people into believing insane things through hypnotism and social conditioning. As institutions they are at their very core edifices of unfreedom.
>>720127413 Sort of. Its a good way to control large groups of people and convince them that doing bad things and wasting resources and manpower on doing those bad things is somehow good and justified and even necessary.
It is important to always always always keep in the back of our minds that the core purpose of religion and faith is social control. Religion was created at the same time mankind first began to build advanced agrarian societies because it was an excellent way to keep order. Indeed it still is, its just now we have secular religions as well, like nationalism and various forms of ethno-supremacism. All of these things rely on exploiting deficiencies in the human brain, our tribalistic impulses, for the sake of control.
>>720126868 30 years war was only 30 years because of Habsburg vs anti-habsburg powers fighting against each other. Why do you think did the catholic french fund the protestant swedes? Not to mention that the initial conflict was about the attempt of the emperor expend his power against the imperial estates. Pointing religion out as the sole factor of the war just shows your lack of education
>>720128117 > I bet you can't even name two wars based on religion. Provide more than that in actual wars, with religious source or use of religion as a justification for the war, and yet you try to spin it
Have you never heard of the enlightenment? The secularization of the intellectuals?
Also, christian authorities did their best to silence scientific research that didn't allign with their beliefs. (Copernicus didn't publish his research on the motion of planets until his death as he'd get in trouble with the church, Galileo's heliocentric study was made illegal and he was silenced,...) >2. Science and religion are not two opposites, as a matter of fact science and religion go together quit well.
Scientific knowlegde is defined as something that can be reproduced in form of experiments. Religion is quite the opposite. >3. Most conflicts in the world were never about religion in the first place. I bet you can't even name two wars based on religion.
Nearly every war in the middle ages, and the classical era, were based around religion. I'm not even talking about the crusades. During the time of the plague, it was seen as a "punishment by God" and therefore tons of jews were prosecuted and murdered.
>4. Marxism for example is based on atheism but has caused hundreds of millions of deaths. Marxism was based on pseudoscience, not atheism.
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