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The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

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... What is it good for?
how would that even work? isn't that kind of contradictory?
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Promoting conformism. Not much else.
If there is enough food to feed everyone, why are there people without food?
Communism and anarchism have always been the same thing, ever since it was conceived in Europe.
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whatever is deemed necessary by those in power.
they don't sound like the same thing, similar in some ways but not the same thing
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If you don't know then why are you even complaining and/or talking about it?
Because time and energy are finite as well. You already acknowledged that at least apropos time.
It is contradictory, but there's some doctrinal arguments for it from Marx's writing. The general concept as I understand it is the position that the violent overthrow of government by proletariat (which is an inherently anarchic act) would be followed by a mutualist forming of communes. That has never and will never happen in all of human history, but that's the general idea.
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If you want to look from the point of view of people known as communist thinkers:
Marx explicitly states that anarchism is the final goal of Marxism
If you want to look from the point of view of people known as anarchist thinkers:
Bakunin, Kropotkin, and all other early anarchist thinkers understood that capitalism and anarchism were mutually exclusive, and often worked with Marxists even while disagreeing with Marxism.
There are people without food because of capitalism. I was asking you to confirm this. Why else would people not have food that exists?
Only time is the genuinely scarce thing there. The sun puts out a lot of energy every day.
You're all useless idiots. None of you are willing to help change things. You all just complain.
Duh, Comunism is utopian. Socialism is the way (you deserve gulag).
yeah the likeliness of that happening at any time is a zero

i've not really read up on that stuff much and what i did was very minimal and was a long time ago in a classroom while on a computer

i'm in a position where all i can do is complain
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Why didn't you mention this when I asked the initial question?
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Overthrowing a state isn't inherently anarchist. A libertarian could do it too. Even a socialist or fascist could.
>forming of communes
You seem to be thinking of Marxism or something else. I agree that Marxism will never work, but fortunately Marxism and communism/anarchism are distinct entities.
Socialism would lack today's capitalism, but it would still have statism, and statism is shit.
Wrong. you choose to only complain. You haven't even tried, and you know it.
Right, energy is no good without the capacity to harness it though. You need solar panels, which require various materials to construct, require expertise to design, require time to assemble, etc.
>There are people without food because of capitalism
Wrong. More people are fed sufficiently today than at any previous time in history. The problem is objectively being solved. You just dislike the paste.

I don't think change needs to happen since the system works, my dude.

This argument is pretty boring honestly but I'm not doing anything important rn.

It trends towards anarchy in the general spectrum, however, and requires a brief loosening of state power in the interim (typically followed by a tightening).

I'm fascinated by what exactly your communism looks like if it's not doctrinal marxism and it's not statist.
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pace* jesus christ
i'm okay with the form of government as it currently is
In that case, I stand corrected. If that is what you truly believe.
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I mean it's an argument about communism as opposed to capitalism and capitalism is doing just fine so
Then why did you make the previous statement?
It's neat stuff. Marx was a perceptive guy, but he was also too naive. He thought a (socialist) state would willingly stop existing. States exist solely to continue existing, and will never do such a thing. In prefer these thinkers in this order: Kropotkin, Bakunin, Chomsky. Chomsky is American, by the way.
Any pace slower than "within my lifetime" is copping out. If you don't see something solved in your lifetime, you don't have proof it ever gets solved in the entire existence of the universe.
It's just communism. Regular communism known by so many people for well over a century.
It's ridiculous. When I say communism, most people from Europe, Asia, and South America immediately understand. People from North America often don't understand. I want to know where this cultural difference comes from.
>just fine
Why are your standards so low?
eh, when there's nothing better to do, why not?

because i complain about things that aren't the form of government
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It's doing ok I think, could be better. Communism is doing worse. Neither is perfect. Both are tied down by corruption.
i personally don't find forms of government that neat, and i don't know or really care about any of those people
Poor MLK then, huh?

No, that explanation is decidedly insufficient. Communism in Europe, Asia, and South America was and is state enforced. You claim to be an anarcho communist. These things are not mutually compatible.

My standards are not low, I am merely not a utopian idiot.

Sure, it could be better. Nothing's perfect.
Please don't try to change the subject... It makes me believe you have no idea what you're talking about.
well to be honest i don't have any idea what i'm talking about with 90% of subjects that exist, with 10% being only a little idea of what i'm talking about
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True. Everything is fallible because people are fallible as well. Doesn't mean we can't improve it. Not that you said we couldn't.
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>doing worse
Communism doesn't exist today. It's not doing anything, because it doesn't exist. At best you could say socialism exists, but it really doesn't. A mixed-economy is inherently capitalist.
>state enforced
Those are mutually exclusive though. And no one in those places thinks communism is statist. For example, as one person from the USSR told me:
"No one said the USSR was communist. No one thought the USSR was communist. Communism was the light at the end of this dark tunnel."
Then why are you forming opinions rather than asking questions?
well my opinion on the form of government i'm currently under is that i'm okay with it, am i not supposed to be okay with it?
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Right, I'm just not motivated to be an agent of that improvement within the current system since I think in general terms we're doing well enough. If you care to smooth it out around the edges, one imagines you might go into politics.

I do have a vested interest in arresting the progress of people who want to obliterate the system I think is pretty good, though.

So everyone knew what communism was, but it never happened anywhere, and every government that claimed to be communist was lying - and when those systems fell, they all became capitalist or otherwise statist.

Sounds like the light at the end of the tunnel is didn't actually exist to begin with, huh
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Communism and Socialism never truly existed. Those in power reaped the rewards. I was speaking of the ideal.
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man fuck this shit after work I'm gonna get chipotle it's gonna be fuegissimo and then I'm gonna dick around ALL THE DAMN DAY
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No state claimed to be communist, though. Some states claimed to be working towards communism, though. Those are almost certainly the states you're thinking of.
>otherwise statist
They were already statist and sometimes already capitalist. State capitalism exists:
I'll not ever even claim the USSR was socialist. Mixed-economies are capitalist.
Communism exists, but the idea that Marxism can bring people there is faulty. The anarchocommunist idea of going straight to communism without socialism can work though. It either worked or got close to working in Catalonia.
Communism may have existed in Catalonia and Ukraine at certain periods of time.
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If you don't know about 90% of what you're talking about, why are you forming an opinion? If you only know 10% of what you are forming your opinions off of it means your opinions are uninformed, which means they aren't credible to those who know more. They may not be many, but those are the people in charge.
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I didn't say the capitalism wasn't statist, I was including it as an option. All I'm hearing from you, though, is that communism has literally never occurred, let alone been an improvement. I mean
>Communism may have existed in Catalonian and Ukraine at certain periods of time
Is about as convincing as saying "yeah dude I think I saw bigfoot"
....totally sucks you motherfucker... the goverment totally suuuuuuuuckkss
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Alright that's fine.
it's not like anyone's going to care about my opinion anyways, and why would they be looking for a credible opinion from me of all people?

i said i don't know what i'm talking about with 90% of subjects that exist, 10% that do and i only know a bit about them, i know enough about the government i live under to be okay with the system it has in place compared to other styles of government
Okay, I can go into more details. During the Spanish civil war, Catalonia for a while was able to protect itself from both sides. During that time period, there was no money or barter (therefore no capitalism) and also no state. That's communism.
Some people debate whether it was truly unorganised enough to be called communism. There were several small organisations in existence due to the pressures of the war. If there was no war, perhaps they'd not exist.
Hemingway, Orwell, and many other authors visited it and wrote about their experiences. But then states from around the world, both to become axis and ally in WW2, sent their militaries in. This is because the biggest threat to a state is the threat of the good example: the example that people can be happy without a state.
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I'm not so sure. Those in power usually abuse it. Ukraine is a former Soviet state where corruption ran rampant. It still may run rampant in both the Ukraine and Russia. Catalonia is Spain. Spain is well known for its poor use of money concerning the people and infrastructure.
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I don't know that it fits your definition. Trade unions were operating as defacto overlords in revolutionary catalonia. It sounds like communism in the common understanding of it but certainly not anarchism despite the nominally anarchic traits of one party - the fact is that the general trend of humans to organize into hierarchy systems remains as inevitable as ever. It's by far the best example you have, though.

Also, nobody invaded Catalonia because they were communist. Catalonia got invaded because it's clay, and clay is valuable, and if your guns are bigger than the other guy's you take their clay. Come on now.
The argument was "why are you even voicing it if your opinion is uninformed and therefor doesn't matter."
Past tense. It may have existed decades ago.
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anyway I have to go figure out how computers work, later
later man
I know that the trade union/parties are a significant detractor from anarchism/communism. That's why I said it may have existed, and if it didn't exist, that's as close as we've gotten to it in Europe. There are also examples of gift economies that existed in polynesian islands before European conquest. Those clearly didn't lack some hierarchies, though.
See you~
Absolutely nothing
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When it comes to the Soviet union, aka Stalin, the KGB (which Putin had a hand in) was basically a death squad. They influenced Ukraine's government whether they want to admit it or not. I am not as informed on Catalonia, but people in power are usually inherently corrupt. Money is power for the most part, especially now.
it's only 30 to noon, it's not night time
Yeah, the anarchism that may have existed in Ukraine was there before Stalin was a thing
If it existed
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My bad. Poor choice of words. I was up all night.
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So it was basically a military state?
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No. It was a stateless area protected by a volunteer army. Definitely less of an example than the Catalonia example I explained here:
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If the only reason why it existed is because it was protected by some sort of military, which failed, it means it was technically run by the military. (By the way, this conversation has been very fun. I've gotten to learn some things too!)
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That's debatable. I definitely don't use the free territory as my main point.
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While I don't feel sleepy, my body feels weak. I should go to bed sometime.
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understandable. I mentioned that I'm not very informed on Catalonia previously. It's something I'll look into. I just find it hard to believe that any of those systems have ever existed in their pure forms.
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>find it hard to believe
That's p understandable too. If you read my chomsky link in this thread, you'll find out why. A lot of propaganda is made specifically to deny that freedom can ever exist.
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going to bed
It's nearly noon.
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can you link me to it? I'm a bit lazy at the moment.
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Who are you btw? Seeing as how we're the only ones left posting.
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am zaryss
but i'm not really that important, i just kinda lurk or post and be depressed, i don't think many people are a fan
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I'm the same, except nameless. Been lurking/ posting for a long time. Commenting when I'm extremely bored.
i see
i don't post unless there are other names in the thread most of the time, or when there's no thread and i make one
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I made this one and I don't think it's going all that well. I post for the sake of posting I guess.
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eh, just do you man. that's all i can really say about it
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I always start my threads with an arctic fox so that might be some sort of recognition. I lurked up until two years ago and commented at random, but have been around for awhile. Never payed attention to the comments until I really started posting though.
yeah that's a way for people to recognize you, you could probably get away with having a name or trip
How is everyone today
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nah, I'll be anon until someone gives me a name. I don't feel like giving myself one.
as i said, just do you man.
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bored... you are one of three people in the thread.
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cool, you're chill
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Gee bill

I'm sure it'll pick up again tonight
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It always does, what's up?
i try to be most of the time
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Just being lazy as usual, playing some video games
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Don't forget about those gazongas.
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I'm not usually into big guys but that's a cute pupper
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i am
I actually left the game room early because the Least Pleasant Person Alive sat down at the setup and started his typical routine of bitching about every single option anyone chooses ever.
that bad it has to be capitalized, huh?
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yeah dude I didn't have to leave for work yet since technically I was still in an appointment but I just couldn't handle his constant "WOW WHY DID YOU WAVELAND THERE THAT WAS SO DUMB"

he's not even good fuck
that's a prime "i'm out" decision to make
shulda murdered him
he was awful

oh yeah, so glad I made it

helping the elderly hit "stop" on audacity isn't as bad
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I'm just watching Amazon Prime and being jobless for the moment.
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Nice dude
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Anarcho-Christianism is the solution.
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I kinda miss working. I'm bored most of the time now.
Uh huh uh huh
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Guess it depends on where you work, working in retail made me want to kill myself every single day
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I was an optics engineer, so yah, different. I hated working retail when I did. I get it.
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That cat looks very unamused...
i think she was about to go to sleep when i took the picture
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That's probably more interesting

The best job I ever had was running the projection booth for an independent theater because I only did 20 minutes of actual work and just read or played on my laptop or hung out with whoever was working concessions.
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poor kitty
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It's always nice when work takes less effort at times.
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she's doing alright, she's fallen asleep now
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Do you have a sleeping picture?
i'd wake her up trying to take it if i want a clear picture
new levels of technological illiteracy on display at the tech center today
"how do I copy a website"
he meant url incidentally
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Ahh ok let kitty sleep. What's her name?
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jesus christ how horrifying how old was he
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You should always be kind to people who are less knowledgeable than you in a subject because they just might be an expert in something you need help with later.

Besides, "ask a question and look like a fool for a moment rather than don't ask and be a fool forever"
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some people just don't get it

her name's Hazel and i got the sleeping pic
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she faced the other direction to be sure she wouldn't be bothered. Adorable. I miss my kitty.
dude this is my job I'm exceedingly kind to these people

I am also very happy to bitch about it on 4chan

late 50s at most

I need a new job
oh ok that's reasonably acceptable.
she just doesn't like sleeping with the light bulb in the room shining on her face, i think the bulb is too bright for her

i was about to ask if it was really that annoying to teach people how to use a computer but then i remembered that it's indeed awful and i would never do that as a job again
he also said it was his first time teaching ever

what a late time for a career change
I should just become a male prostitute

or a hitman
these are two very different things, what sort of transferrable skills do you have for them both?
me succ dicc good

as for the hitman bit there are no skills but it sounds fun
>me succ dicc good
you'll have to have some references ready for your new pimp

>it sounds fun
if you've got no skills for being a hitman, you're not going to get picked over someone who does and then will have no fun
I can break into houses p gud
I'll give him a live demo it'll be fire

>not just lying
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My cat is a shoulder cat. He was the runt and loved playing fetch. I miss him. Puck didn't like bright lights either.
are you just going to take the money and run?

my cats are indoor cats. is he with somebody else or dead?
[17:51] <MySword> I could probably make 500-1k a night sucking cock for cash in Hull
no I'm gonna take the money, kill the guy, and then put the kill on my resume. fake it til you make it my dude

>talking to sword
scales' irc
I realize
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he's weird anyway.
oh i see, good plan.
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sword is a cunt

if I give them you as a reference tell them I'm the sickest
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I'm away from home too much so I gave him to one of my friends who has 6 kids. Their Mastiff treats him like that cat and bulldog in the Warner brothers cartoon. They live on a farm and he kills anything that shouldn't be on it. Good home.
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that's what it seems like yeah, I never interacted with him much.
i'll tell them you're the most rad and sick hitman there can be

that's good at least, you ever go by to see him?
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he doesn't post very often

also if my pimp calls pretend I've blown you
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small mercies.
should i give him a positive handjob comment?
Whatever you think sounds good.
alright, i got you famerino
Awesome. Time to go to my local corners.
i wonder what the girls will think
Communism never truly existed in Catalonia, more like communist-anarchist revolts.
Same happened in Andalusia.
>implying I'm not a cute girlboy

well catalonia was very briefly administered by organizations that called themselves communist and anarchist in the aftermath of the revolts
i think they'll find out eventually, but at least you're genetics make you stronger than them naturally so you should be fine if they try to take you on
tfw you will never beat up prostitutes and usurp their position
assert dominance
you've got to fulfill your dream of being the best gay prostitute
also when we doing Return

I hope the johns like dick

friday is good

I'm honestly too busy on weeknights
Very briefly, like you said. They didn't really have time to set up anything before the government came and just arrested everyone.

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didn't drunky say something about wanting to join or something?
yes i forgot about that already

i think you'd be an awful hitman and get caught faking it
beautiful doggo

what breed is it?
Looks like an arctic fox
Oh yeah I'm not a commie, I don't think that shit works.

I think he wants to get drunk and talk with us on skype or something, I forget

all I know is ima be drinking on friday regardless

What? What makes you say that?
that sounds gay also I cant skype while streaming unless yall want a 5 frames a second video.
yeah I'd rather just watch the movie tbh
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also I wasnt even joking about not noticing a lisp.
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I think it's situationally motivated.
i just can't see that working out for you as well as beating up other prostitutes and taking their position
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That reminds me of "sick" = "thicc" when Subby says it.
I will never get over this.
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But why not do BOTH

Fuck offfff
>tfw I knew it was caitlyn even though I have werktyme on

the lisp
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He has a lisp.
Well I mean I'm the one who's said that.
It was some good OW.
I cant tell whether he sayin you tried to say sick or thic
kill the prostitutes and put the kills down as references while you blow a dude for money?
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I haven't played that game since then. Do you even still play?

Sick. Lisps never go th -> s, always the other way.
This is the kind of innovative thinking my venture needs.
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oh right.
that's how you get good business my friend
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I play with Roy somewhat regularly.
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lmk if you want to play when you see me on steam
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I thought you haaaated it
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I like drinking and playing video games with you and tracer.
muh lesbians in video games
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>tfw you're favorite character is a dyke
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Who will be gay the next time I open Overwatch?
A new character will be revealed every patch.

>tfw drinking beer right now
I should play OW.
its ok julian lesbians arent real anyway
>drinking beer right now
>1:30 your time
>meanwhile I am the alcoholic

my headcanon is tracer is actually a tranny and therefore a straight man with a feminine penis
>not even a coastfag
cait worst tier states
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Midwest da best
My Chicago beer tastes good.

My day is done. Only have classes till lunch.
I just wanted to chill with some beer and some vids from Cryaotic. Amazing youtuber.
I jumped ship on Overwatch, blizzard can't balance that piece of shit.
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I sorta want to murder you rn, I don't get out on tuesday until 9 fucking pm
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I'd romance the fish
oh it's kissu
I can't see vaporeons got werk tyme on
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They got McCree, a volatile hero, to a good place, so I'd say it's possible.
Just a hell of a lot of hero interactions that will change with the meta and as heroes are added. Balance will be somewhat achieved eventually.
It's alright, I had my 11-5 day yesterday. I run in the morning and have leg day after dinner. That's a tiring day.
Wednesday is basically 11-8.
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Ah, how u jules?
They power creeped the entire DPS role with the first new addition to the roster. Fuck that game
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monday is 11 to 4, tuesday is 10 to 9, wednesday is 8 to 4, thursday is 10 to 3, and friday is 11 to 5

my schedule blowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwws

I'm good, ima pig tf out and get chipotle for lunch since I'm still here for another 6 hours
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>another six hours
I'm so sorry that sounds like way too much.
Chipotle sounds nice though I ha ven't had it in quite awhile the one in my town is like 16 minute drive away so I don't make it over there.
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at least 2 of it I can just dick around and play melee

I do it to myself, I do.
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I almost had nothing to Tu/Th, just a recitation on Tuesday. But then I just shoved my office hours on the two days. Still very easy though. I like my 11-1 Friday; get off early-ish.
>pig out
Maybe if you get the shell (300 fucking cals) and sour cream / guac then I'd call it pigging out. Bowls are reasonable.
I'm getting the shell and there's nothing you can do to stop it. But I don't like sour cream or guac.

my schedule is shittier than yours and I'm mad about it.
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are you ok
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busta wolf
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Be sure to get the grilled veggies with whatever you get. And the hot salsa / sauce / whatever you call it. I just always go with a chicken "salad," which is really just a bowl.
Just drink your way through the day.
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maybe you should be a homo
I'm gonna get steak since my new wifi password features the words cow and taco so I've been thinking about that shit all day.

I need to get a hip flask.

Have I not been a homo recently?
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Did someone say homo?
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your power has not been fully realized.
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I just get chicken because it's the cheapest and good protein. I really like the sofritas (tofu) doe.
I have a flask. Only used it once.
what do I need to do to level up
I dunno, more dragon dildos or something.
send me your flask I'll use it better than you ever did.

getting laid is so much worrrrrrrrrrrrk

maybe when I get paid

I just want more guns tho
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put gun into dragon dildo
or dragon dildos into guns
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Buy me a gun.
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this is clearly how I'm going to become a hitman

get a job hippy
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I haven't had much hard alcohol lately, just beer and wine. I did get some brandy though, and it's good.
I'm sure there are plenty of people who could use a quickie. Is not much work.
nice linking fucco
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That's impossible.
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>download grindr again
>become anxious of rejection
>find quickie
>become anxious of aids
>have sex
>hate self for days

i tried my best

if you get a job and buy a gun I'll buy you a box of ammo
strive to do better
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>not actively being a drain on the government as much as humanly possible

I mean, they DO deserve it, but I can't buy ammo with EBT.
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Just take your chances with AIDS and use contraction as a reason to kill yourself.
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he means your uterus.
I mean boypussy is one thing but boyuterus

not sure about that one
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Contracting a disease means that you have acquired it, in this case from semen or saliva or shit or however AIDS works.
your anus is pretty much a uterus
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Okay I'll take you up on that come summer.
oh right yes sorry I thought you mistyped contraception

That totally doesn't count.


anyway bye time for chipotle
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If I could impregnate a cute boy I would
but it does, get pregnant.
>dat face
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>being nude and having shoes on
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I think it's kinda hot
why, it's fucking weird.

I think bottomless only is hot too
>If there is enough food to feed everyone, why are there people without food?
Because of the logistics and distribution problems that exist. Many of which are exacerbated, not solved, by governments (c.f. Muhammad Aidid).
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