sup b ITT: We discuss Should you hit your kids?

>>720110163
My opinion: no. Only maybe rare, rare cases of a child who is just out of control disrespectful and violent.

I know some people got beat and turned out "fine" but honestly there is a pattern of aggression... Plenty of people are "fine" who did NOT get beat. I think it instills fear instead of respect. So even if it makes a child act right, it's for the wrong reasons and causing mental trauma.

>>720110163
Only when they really fuck up.

>>720110163
I would feel terrible if I hit my kid.

>>720110425
what constitutes 'really fucking up'?

Yes, make childhood rough and they will become stronger because of it. Then being an adult is easy. Thus, no fucked up people that are attempting "adulting."

>>720110549

your virginity is safe

>>720110163

A spanking once in while maybe, full out beating no, that's just stupid.

>>720110549
Same. I was just on fb and in the comments there was a heated debate. all these people saying "i got my ass whooped and it taught me respect and I turned out fine" but I just don't agree with it.. I don't think it is causation just coincidence. most people whether they got beat or not believe they turned out "fine" ya know?

>>720110604
but does a rough childhood actually make you stronger in a good way? I had a rough childhood but I never really got my ass beat (spanked when I was like 3-4 then it stopped). My brother got beat pretty bad though by my step dad, and humiliated because he used to wet the bed... he had some weird punishments that seemed cruel and unusual imo. anyway.... He ended up on meth for a few years, just recently got clean. but he is such a sweet honest and respectful person. so am I though.. and I didn't fall into drugs like he did

he also had a stutter that didn't go away until high school.

>>720110163
If you are a troglodite whose intellect and emotional self-control are so inferior that you can't find another, more reasonable and mature way of teaching your child good behaviour, than sure, beat the shit out of him, you moron

It honestly depends on too many factors, I think that if you resort to slapping as a regular punishment then you're being a lazy parent who takes the easy way to get the kids listen to you.
Anything more than slaps are avoidable in any case IMO.
That said, there are kids who literally can't behave well unless they will get slapped every time they cross the line.

Tl;Dr violence isnt necessary in most of the cases.

>>720110623
I mean clearly there's a difference because of the amount of pain you're inflicting... but what is the difference as far as discipline? either way, you are using pain and dominance to make a kid do what you want.

>>720110813
T-T-T-T-TIPTON!

>>720110851
if you can read, I said I don't agree with it.

I agree with you completely. I think talking to your kid like a person works because they ARE persons. telling a kid you are disappointed goes a long way... at least in my experience growing up. but what do i know i don't have any kids yet, maybe not all kids can be talked to...? i just wanna hear from someone who was beat as a kid who defends it.. wanna hear the other side

>>720110163
Most people hit kids are bullys. They can't hit anyone else so they hit there kids . There are other ways

I got beaten up a few times for doing stupid shit, but there were also times when I got the shit kicked out of me just because my mom was mad that day or something.

So I was confused about when and why I deserved it, and I came to the conclusion that I'd never hit my kids beyond the occasional smack on the bum if they really needed to be stopped from doing something.

I honestly don't want to have kids.

>>720110885
>there are kids who literally can't behave well unless they will get slapped every time they cross the line.
Do you really think that is true though, or have they just not been raised correctly to begin with? What makes a child who listens and respects elders vs a child who doesn't. like what is the root of that problem

>>720110974
i agree, they're just taking it out on their kids. can't find the words so they use violence

>>720111032
Do you resent your mom for it?

>>720110970
I was just talking in general, not exactly to you OP, apologies

>>720111151
lol it's okay


This is a boring conversation. I thought there would be people on both sides creating an actual debate but everyone is just agreeing that we shouldn't hit our kids hahaha. wtf is wrong with b tonight

I got beat up lots of time and turned out fine

My little brother on the other hand didn't got beat once and is 14 years old and cries about the everything and can't even make food himself, he gets everything he wants, every game, just because he will cry and scream otherwise

I on the other hand, since my parents where working all day, was home alone, had to make my homework alone, make me something to eat alone and the only time I got a new game was when I had birthday or on christmas

>>720110163
Only if they hit first

>>720110163
like your picture, no. no kid deserves a shiner

i see nothing wrong with spanking with a hand when its warranted.

i grew up getting spanked with the metal handle of a fly swatter, never hard enough where i couldn't sit down afterwards, but hard enough where it fucking stung.

i feel sorry for the kids today with the mental punishments that replaced physical punishments, when i was whacked on the ass for doing something it was over right after, and i knew what i did to deserve it. people wonder why kids today are medicated for shit that didn't exist when they grew up.

it also taught me that when you hit someone, it causes that person pain so my actions have negative consequences.

Yes, but not excessively.

>>720110163
My dad beat me a bit. He felt bad for doing it of course. But despite what you think it does the job. I kept me quiet and behaved. Sure it was out of fear but it still did the job. He only started beating me when I was like 16 for some reason but then he soon stopped since I was getting stronger than him and he was getting out of his prime while I was getting in my prime. Go spanked by my mom when I was little and that really it. it didn't change shit though. Maybe for like 10 minutes but after 10 minutes I'd still be a brat. I still am. Like my dad.

>>720110163
I spank my kids sometimes
Feels bad man, but talking to them is a fucking waste of time
Anyone who thinks you can reason with kids has never met one

>>720110163
if you really want to hurt them
neglect them and show no love
that'll teach em

>>720110885
>esort to slapping as a regular punishment
This
A spanking when I was young was like the worst punishment I could be subjected to so the threat of it meant I was in big trouble.
My parents also did the wash your mouth out with soap thing to my older sisters. I never really talked back to my parents so it wasn't something I ever experienced.
We joke about it now that we're all adults but the spanking and soap thing really stressed the trust we had for our parents

>>720110163
Not in the face with your fist! Jesus m8, if they act up you just stick your dick in their mouths and start hitting their bums, it feels so good when they gum you and they learn their lesson real quick

Depends. My son I never hit, but my daughter I would often have bending over, her skirt pulled up over her head and panties around her ankles, he soft pink bottom ready for a spanking. If she'd been really naughty I'd lay her over my lap like this too.

But my son, never, and he turned out okay.

>>720110970
>. telling a kid you are disappointed
This only works if the kids respect their parents

>>720111494
Kek wtf

>>720111242
It sounds like your experiences are more related to you being forced into independence through necessity rather than getting beat up into independence

>>720111500
Your kids don't respect you? Haha faggot

not in the face

>>720111494
You loli pedos need go all die

>>720111040
Personally I've seen a girl aged 6-7 I think, her family would come to eat every week where I work, she clearly had some real problems, maybe was autistic or something, but she would scream, cry because of stupid shit, communicate like a baby and fight everytime to get an extra toy in her meal even though she was denied every time over a YEAR. When she get extra bad her father would slap her butt, nothing serious but she then would at most cry silently for a few minutes and stop behaving like a monkey.
I don't think it was caused by bad parenting since her parents weren't enablers or looked like idiots, just some kids are extremely hard to discipline.

Nah man. Better for everyone to avoid hitting. The occasional spaking never did any harm, though.

In general, violence does not teach anything to the one being hit.

On the other hand, a sibling who sees a brother (or sister) being punished, might learn, and define themselves as opposed to the attitude of the person being punished... like, look at that moron, when he could have avoided this if only...

If I had a child or two they would not only respect me but they'd fear me. I'd rarely hit them though. I'd make the fear me just from me being angry. People already fear me when I get angry how can kids not fear me when I'm angry yet not harming anyone?

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>>720110163
To late to 'inb4; Touching your kid in any way shape or form is horrendous child abuse and you should kill yourself'?

Anyway, kids should be tough there are necessarily consequences to their actions, and if they where to hurt someone else out in the real world, that someone else might hurt them back. Teaching a Child that there aren't necessarily consequences to their actions only negatively reinforces the notion that they are immune or above punishment and/or other people. Just look how the current generation turned out.

Pic not necessarily related.

>>720111618
Any idea how I can help my brother to get more indepented, my parents don't care and I can't just beat him up when he is screaming because he doesn't get what he wants

>>720110163
its better to be feared than to be loved thats why i slap my child in the face for no reason

>>720111830
Put him in charge of cooking dinner once a week or something like that

>>720110240
I can agree with this to a point. Idk and again it may be the way I was raised. And the structure from the military but respect comes from fear...to a degree. If I meet someone knew I'm going to respect them in the sense of not being a dick to them. But if I fear that you can do some kinda of damage. Not just physical. Things like adverse actions. Punishments that could cost me my job then yeah I'm gonna have some respect for you as well. Like I said I get both sides of it.

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>>720111781
> People already fear me when I get angry

>>720111873
seriously?

>>720111117
Kind of? But I got over it because she's not perfect, and she's my mom. I get kinda pissed about it sometimes, but I'm getting married and living on my own, so.

I just don't want to make the same mistakes or anything.

>>720110163
No. My dad used to abuse me and beat the shit out of me from childhood all the way until I was 21. It made me beta and cowardly as fuck. All the while I did not learn anything from this and wondered the whole time why I was being kicked and hit with whatever he could get his hands on. Until I moved and learned the hard way to stick up for myself.

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Infant male genital cutting is abuse

>>720111934
They do though.

>>720111984
>having this much edge

>>720111778
Which leads me to: Does violence teach anything (about himself) to the one who is hitting?

>>720110163
I've only spanked my kid a few times, it really put the fear of it happening again. All I have to do now is say "I'm going to whop your ass" and he snaps right to. The problem I have with him now is lying, I can't get him to stop and if I catch that little shit lying to me one more time he is going to get it.

>>720111959
I had the adverse, my Dad beat the shit out of me and it made me the man I am today. You're just a fucking pussy who couldn't learn how to cope with fear. Fucking beta cuck.

>>720111982
lol someone post that jap smegma webm

i'm not complaining, i had it done to me at birth no woman has ever refused me for having a cheesy dog dick

>>720111233
>This is a boring conversation. I thought there would be people on both sides creating an actual debate but everyone is just agreeing that we shouldn't hit our kids hahaha. wtf is wrong with b tonight
/b/ has really changed since Trump was elected. IMO, so many things are improving the trolls that usually have fun pissing people off are in a state of grieving that shit is not fucking up as much as it used to be. The trolls thrive of these problems. My take is that the community here will turn over by at least 50% in the next year. Hell, when things really improve by end of this year, a few trolls will off themselves as a final protest as the rest of us go on. Expect LOTS of suicides protests blaming Trump on Facebook Live and other streaming services in the new few months.

>>720112045
No I'm just a big scary guy. Getting me angry isn't something a smart and common thing to do.

>>720112076
If he lies to you just lie to him.

>>720112170
This has nothing to do with Trump. Just stop it.

>>720112188
Checked, about what? When I do find him lie to me I just don't spend as much time with him. Example, "Dad, do you want to play on the wii" ME "Nah, not in the mood I'm busy"

>>720112157
>cutting your penis as an infant makes you hygenic

>>720112170
Porn is still an issue on /b/ imo

>>720112290
That's after I tell him I know your are lying and give him about a talk about it, this is later in the day after he's been in his room.

>>720112343
Tell him you'll take him to McDonald's then don't and tell him you lied

>>720112290
What age is he?

>>720112076
Lying for a child is a short term gain, long term loss deal. We know they are doing it, but can't always act upon it. However the child receives long term deficit of the parent's affections.

Depending on age, try to impress upon him/her that most of the time, being honest is actually far more beneficial. As the short term punishment for an act will be less severe because they choose to act morally and be truthful, and long term receive more affection from the parent.

TlDR; Teach child to use words better, happy parents buy more candy.

>>720112393
I like it, evil as fuck! I do like to fuck with him, like tell him to do something like clean his room.. when he is done i go in and inspect and say I told you to clean your closet out! He just looks at me all confused like WTF!

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>>720111873
Idiot, you shouldn't have kids
You on the receiving end

>>720112408
Not, giving my ADHD ODD child candy.. He is not on meds I refuse to do that to him. I am trying to keep his diet good when he is at my house, good food and no junk seems to help along with the occasional ass kicking.

>>720111939
The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact

I'm all for spanking. My parents wouldn't hesitate to spank any of us and it immediately put us in our place. I also watched as my aunt who lived down the street wouldn't raise her hands to her children and they turned out like a bunch of disrespectful little shits. Now as everyone has gotten older her children have thanked my parents for being harsh on them and giving them a little bit of structure. At times for me yes I think my parents may have went over board but I was a horrible kid. I don't resent or hate them for it at all. It put things into perspective and I learned that I couldn't go through life being a fucking cunt to everyone.

>>720112542
Yeah yeah I know the drill no need to recap. -_-

>>720112453
Too add I always save my huge morning fart for when I walk past his bedroom in the morning and let that fucking thing rip or when I have a huge one I wait till he is near and fart has hard as i can.

>>720112170
I thought b was pro trump? I hate Trump btw but fuck it I'm white so I'm not too worried. how much harm can 1 guy do in 4 years..?? *sweats nervously*

>>720110163
every child is different and every child responds differently to different punishments, so spanking works as a deterrent with some children, and others it has no effect. Learn your children and decide for yourself.

>>720111340
so it worked but it's out of fear....
how are you as an adult? do you respect all people or just people who are bigger/stronger than you?

Got my degree in psychology and was taught that physical punishment is wrong and doesn't work. I now have kids and know that shit is not always true. My experience with my boys and hearing stories from other parents causes me to arrive at the conclusion that girls will rarely if ever require physical punishment to remain manageable. Boys, however, are hardwired to toe the line and push the envelope and just generally cause mayhem if left unchecked. My boys are 7 and 5 and physical punishment is never needed for 7 year old now. He does bad shit sometimes but he's self-policing now. Thinks before he acts. The 5 year old is getting there but still needs the occasional pop. Both are model children in public and behave very well. Most kids I observe in a public setting are poorly behaved and the parents just stand there letting their kids walk all over them, looking helpless.

>>720111344
I mean maybe my memory is foggy but as a kid I remember "talks" being the only thing that worked for me.. I was very reasonable and my worst fear was that my parents were mad at me or disappointed in me. that alone would guilt me into doing the right thing (most of the time). If it didn't...I would at least try my best to hide it from my parents lol

>>720112633
wait... you actually understand that our forefathers set up checks and balances with congress and the supreme court and the presidency isn't a dictatorship?

Only on the butt

>>720112538
The candy was a metaphor
What i'm talking about is laying the foundation for social engineering. Teaching the child the life skills of interacting with people positively to achieve the best result. That words used right are far more effective than words used to lie.

>>720111242
The oldest sibling is usually the most independent. The middle sibling is the most "peace maker" and most likely to be successful financially, and the youngest is the spoiled/entitled.

I read articles about it not just speculation lol.

>>720112725
I always find it funny when I see parents just screaming at their kids (ghetto fucks) and the kids are wild as shit. One time, I told a lady that if it was my kid they would have a sore ass and my 11 year old laughed at her and nodded his head.. shit was funny.

>>720111270
seems fair.

>>720110558
Violence,drugs,pregnancy.

>>720111302
how often did you get in fights as a kid, and have you been in fights as an adult?

testing a theory...

>>720112679
I don't respect anyone unless they earn my respect first. Of course I'm nice to others at first but if they get on my bad side you're in for trouble. I'm mostly happy. I didn't fear my dad much. I could hit him back but I just don't hit my family. I couldn't if I tried. I'm a tough strong guy so seing someone bigger than me is a bit rare but when I see them the feeling is mutual. I don't respect them but I'm nice to them like I'm nice to others. At 16 I probably could take on my big man but I thought I was better off just trying block as many punches as possible and do as I was told till the next day. The guy could pack a punch when he was angry. I guess that's where I got it from. He apolagised for hitting me in the end though so it's fine.

>>720112864
>implying bullshit because you think you are right and the oldest.

>>720112864
How about an only child?

>>720112725
My thought every time I'm in public and see some off the wall little shit is to beat their ass. As children we would not get away with acting fools in public especially being that there were 5 of us and only my mother. She wouldnt hesitate one second to lay that ass beating down. And it's even worse in public cause that shit will embarrass the fuck out of you. Hell I remember getting my ass beat in front of this chic that I had a huge crush on in the 4th grade because I yelled faggot. Guess what I never said around my parents again?

>>720112400
11

>>720112624
That's abusive

>>720111307
why?

>>720111451
how do you view/treat people now that you're an adult? Do you have respect for people? Do you fear people stronger/more powerful than you? Do you find yourself pushing around people who are smaller/less powerful than you? If you have a pet, have you ever hit it as part of training it?

>>720111753
But she continued doing it every time... sounds like it didn't actually change her behavior and instead just made her afraid to keep doing it in that moment

Should the get beat? No
Should the get spanked when they fuck up? Yea

>>720111806
Pic looks related to me bro

anyway I definitely see your point... but can't that be expressed with words in a way they understand? do u feel they can only learn first hand? seems kind of lazy to hit your kids for discipline

>>720112931
For pregnancy in particular, give em a sucker punch right in the gut.

>>720110163
Well, I acted up as a kid, kids are like that, I was a brat and said and did bad shit, but my parents never hit me. You can punish kids in other ways, but hitting them doesn't do anything but hurt them the wrong way
I mean, you chose to have a shitty kid, you chose to raise it wrong, and actually kids do grow up and mature. You don't act how you did when you were 8, reinforce good behavior to encourage it, don't fucking slap your kid

Now if kids fight, that's fine. They'll learn that shit on their own, I'm not against kids getting hurt, I'm against adults hitting kids.

>>720112935
none, the only person i have ever hit out of anger was my older sister growing up (she wasn't a girly girl).

i was a chubby kid growing up (normal by todays standards) got picked on for it but it never got physical, i just said something back and everyone laughed at my comeback.

last time someone gave me shit was almost 17 years ago when i was 21 at a bar, i called them out and they said they didn't fight people who wore glasses. the next month i started wearing contacts, that person never ran their mouth to me again for some reason.

i'm white too so its not like people are automatically afraid of me.

>>720111830
I find that independence is something you just have or you don't. Some people crave being independent and automatically take pride in taking care of themselves, others are naturally entitled and feel that people owe them something. I don't think it has to do with how you're raised because two siblings from the same home can be opposite.

I would try to find a way to positively enforce independence. Never cater to him (don't make him food, don't buy him anything) make him work for what he wants. If he complains, ask him why he feels entitled. Ask him why he thinks you should have to do that for him and tell him to give you a real reason. maybe he'll think about it and realize how stupid is it to expect anything from anyone

>>720110163
Spanking your kid is a completely acceptable punishment.

>>720112950
respect has to be the most fedora word in 2017

who the FUCK cares about "your respect"? who the FUCK wants to "earn your respect" ?
you're treating it like it's this catch all term that means "I won't treat you civilly until I know you're worth it" and that's so fucking euphoric it makes me sick
i know niggers aren't worth "respect" but I still say "please" and "thank you" because I'm a decent person, i'll go on /b/ later and recall how fucking bad they stank

>>720110614
>virginity
Hey fucktard, I have a son.

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>>720111939
>>720111873
>>720112461

>>720110163
No man there are other ways

>>720110693
agreed

>>720112633
Well scrapping the TPP fucked over a bunch of countries that wanted out of China's sphere of influence and Trump has no idea about the geopolitical repercussions

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>>720113403
Yeah, don't let the internet bully demean you! show him!

>>720113310
Do you feel afraid of getting in a fight? Not asking if you think you could beat someone's ass or not... just if you are afraid?

>>720113254
same

>>720113314
why? what does it teach them

>>720113089
>how do you view/treat people now that you're an adult? Do you have respect for people? Do you fear people stronger/more powerful than you? Do you find yourself pushing around people who are smaller/less powerful than you? If you have a pet, have you ever hit it as part of training it?
I'm about as normal as somebody who goes on /b/ can be. I hit my dog for peeing on the floor though

>>720113498
Its just the instant assumptions some idiots make on here.
>rustled
>welcome to /b/
I know, but still

>>720113472
America 1st faggot no one cares, the US as put it dick out on the line since ww2 get over it, the time is now to worry about our own.

>>720112950
so... your dad regrets it. you sound like you are angry about it, considering the fact that you thought about "I could probably take on my big man but I was better off blocking punches"
It just sounds passive aggressive, like there was no lesson to be learned and you were just numb to it by that point so you let it happen and went on with your life with no real morals that came from those experiences

>>720113023
I think they said only children were very likely to be successful.. their main flaw was about "give and take" since they never experienced sibling rivalry or having to share as much, so for example in relationships they aren't as willing to compromise with their partners

>>720112759
you too??

>>720113085
No it's not..

>>720112600
but did they spank you for being a fucked up kid... or were u a fucked up kid because they spanked you...? lol that is my question. seems like a lot of fucked up kids are the ones whose parents use corporal punishment at home, and I'm trying to decide what came first the chicken or the egg

>>720113211
Well I'm not taking care of my child's child.

>>720113667
>Unironically giving up global hegemony status because some inbred hicks elected trump

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>>720113183
Sure i can't argue that it happens from lazy or shitty parenting often.
In my experience as being spanked as a child, I was always asked if what i had done was an accident or on purpose, and given every encouragement to explain why I did what I did.
From this I learn to use my words well, to resolve conflict, to communicate effectively and to accept responsibility for my actions (morality)
I was never punished unfairly, and given the freedom to accept the spanking on my own terms.
This is teaching real life skills, as clearly there are waves of adults who lack these basics.

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I got beaten quite severely as a kid by my father, who had a real anger management problem. It had a terrible effect on me - I developed a stutter and also a weight problem. Between the three, you can imagine how much fun my childhood was.

I will add this though: I got an early, unexpected, uninvited look at just how bad life can get. The lows that your life can end up in. It turned me into a fighter, and now I have everything - a great job, a great home, a great life. I'm sure as hell never going back to the pit of misery that I know that life can be.

>>720113032
I mean but don't you think all kids go through a phase and grow out of it?

for example, a 3 year old will throw a tantrum at the supermarket because they saw a toy or candy and you tell them no. they might kick and scream and cry all the way home. I don't think beating them makes them outgrow the phase any faster. Some parents would spank the child, then when the kid turns 5 they're like "see it worked" but in reality, the kid just outgrew the brat phase. kids who weren't spanked outgrew it as well, at the same rate. people like to think their parenting made the kid change from a brat to a saint but I think kids just take time to outgrow brat hood especially toddlers.

>>720113499
i know i can beat someones ass, i grew up with a sister who threw punches and got spanked with the metal end of a fly swatter and thus now have a high tolerance to pain.

i'm almost 38 and can still bench 350lbs easily. but i also know if i punch someone in the face it either equals possible broken hand, or a broken jaw or eye socket for those i hit. not worth it in todays society when people are sue happy and living in a state where it no longer matters who started it.

i held my ground when confronted, i will hold my ground still but no one confronts me, then again i'm not dick to people.

>>720113936
At 3 years old when the army started this new video chat shit for the wives to see their husbands deployed my mother was the first woman in my fathers company to use it. They had every big wig in there you can think of. Well that was the first time my mother spanked me because I went ballistic and was spitting and pulling the hair of my dads battalion Commander. So I can honestly say that my behavior came first.

My parents hit my arse with a wooden spoon.

Now I'm a masochist with a spanking and pants pissing fetish.

>>720114213
How embarrassing dude, I still get embarrassed about talking back to my neighbors dad when I was a kid.

>>720113833
yup

even if trump only stops a few places from moving jobs somewhere else he is still better than hillary would have been IMO.

executive orders are limited, extreme shit no matter who promises it has to be approved by congress, and it still has to be deemed constitutional.

>>720110693
That's very true. I didn't get beaten, but I was hit a couple times as a kid. My dad got to a point he couldn't figure out what to do, or my mom got the wooden spoon as a deterrent. But never beaten and had bruises or scars.

I have a daughter and I honestly have never even felt like hitting her. She drives me nuts sometimes, but just talking to her or dispersing the situation by causing a distraction works I find.

I hate when I hear of people literally beating kids so bad that they are scarred physically or bruised and that. I feel they dont deserve a kid in all honesty.

Would you bash the fuck out of your car if it didn't start? Probably not. And if you do, then I'm afraid you have other problems at hand.

>>720114181
Absolutely. There are some things that just come with age. We all can agree on that. But at some point imo that kid needs to be taught that throwing a fit because they didn't get something is not the right reaction. Now that doesn't mean spanking then in my eyes. Everything must be met with the appropriate amount of force. If I child is running around like a fucking ape, being disrespectful and just all out a cunt. Then I'm all for popping that kid in the ass.

>>720114378
Yeah man I can't believe that I would act that way. My mom said she cried for hours because she was so embarrassed.

>>720113587
>I hit my dog for peeing on the floor though
honestly that is like the worst thing you can do lol. I trained my puppy in less than 1 week. it takes a lot of fucking time but if you dedicate one week (preferably be home the whole time) you can do it and will not have to invest any more time. basically take them outside (or wherever they're supposed to go) 2-3 hours. EVERY 2-3 hours, no matter what. encourage them and make it a positive experience, so they enjoy going outside. bring treats. They might not go every time, but they should go at least every other time as they have a small bladder. use the word "potty" so they learn the command. say "you gotta go potty?" etc. don't let yourself sound frustrated. when they go, act ecstatic! tell them they're good and give them treats, be loud and excited and pet them (the second they stop, otherwise they won't know what you're happy about). if your neighbors don't think you're a weirdo, you're not loud and excited enough.

Try to give them like 20 minutes to go before you go back inside (the only way they will learn is if they go outside, positive reinforcement). If they don't go in 20 minutes, go back inside and try in an hour.

during this week, watch them like a hawk. If you see them pee or about to pee inside, you have to stop them in action. punishing them after the fact does NOT work as they don't know what you're mad about. Punishment doesn't work anyway. Basically, if they start to pee just make one loud noise like clap loudly and say "NO" in a firm but not scary voice. Then pick them up (if they're small enough) and immediately bring them outside to the spot where they go. Wait with them until they go outside so you can praise them. It could take an hour. you gotta do it... you gotta put the time in.
Never hit/punish them for using the bathroom in the wrong place (they think they are in trouble for using the bathroom, they don't understand that it' because of WHERE they're doing it)

>>720113558
How is that even a question? It teaches them that doing ((something bad)) leads to a bad experience.

You can disagree with the approach, but you can't pretend it doesn't make the message loud and clear for them.

>>720113587
PS if you happen to spot an accident after the fact, do not do anything. it won't fix anything and will just confuse the dog.

Put your dog somewhere where they can't see you picking up the mess (I forget why, but I read that it's important they don't see you cleaning it). Use a spray specifically for dog piss so it doesn't have the smell, otherwise they will be tempted to go in that spot again.

Continue training as normal and just ignore the mistake. It may seem like it's not working but I promise it does. One day he will be trained and you'll be like holy shit it worked! It just takes consistency.

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>>720114740
My dog tried marking the toiled after i'd take a piss, I punched him square in the head, he doesn't piss on the toilet anymore.

>>720114386
I completely agree..
Like if you don't like how an adult behaves you can't just hit them.. A. it wouldn't work, and B. It's assault lol. Why would it work on kids if it doesn't work on adults? Why is it okay to do to kids if not to adults? It's the same fucking thing. talking is the best way to get through to people, adults and kids

>>720115106
This wasn't me throwing a tantrum about something I couldn't have. Words out of my moms mouth was I couldn't give two shits that my dad was on a video chat. I was literally being a complete fucking asshole and shitting on everyone's day.

>>720114808
Sure it might stop the behavior, but it teaches them to fear you, not respect you. This means they don't view their action as wrong necessarily and instead are just scared of you finding out. They will resent you and possibly act out even more (behind your back, of course) as a form of rebellion
That's ok with you?

>>720115291
Yes but my point is that toddlers don't have a sense of right and wrong, embarrassing their parents, etc. They just do whatever the fuck they want lol they don't understand life or consequences (including being spanked). I mean I guess you can spank a toddler to stop the behavior in a situation like that where you don't have options and you need them to behave asap. But overall... no. I think kids grow out of that, and I think it has nothing to do with how much you physically discipline them

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>>720110163
Beating? No. Never punch your son in the jaw. That's how you get child protective services called on your ass.

A spanking is okay if they've REALLY fucked up. But only if all other methods don't work. It's better to sternly tell your kid to get his shit together, or to ask him why his shit isn't together.

>>720115331
I have a little nephew who is 5 years old and he will do exactly what you just told him not to do just to spite you. You can't explain to him why what he does is bad, because he knows. He does it on purpose because it is bad.

There is no respect there, and he deserves to get smacked every time he does that.

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>>720115654
agree

>>720115824
reverse psychology that shit, it will make him mental but you could get him to not do stuff if you explain doing the opposite is worse.

>>720115824
You don't think there are other punishments that work?

When I was 4, my parents went through a very messy divorce and I was acting like a shit head. The worst temper tantrum I ever had: My mom took me to a store and I saw a movie I wanted. She said we couldn't afford it and I threw myself on the ground and started screaming and crying like I was being murdered. She literally dragged me out to the car, kicking and screaming all the way home. It didn't stop there. She put me in my room to "cool off". I had just got a play kitchen for Christmas or my bday or something. Apparently, I screamed and cried for over 4 hours, and completely destroyed the kitchen play set, kicking in the oven and shit. My mom said she just continued to ignore me and show no emotion, to teach me that throwing a tantrum doesn't work, and my actions have no effect on her emotions and she will not cave no matter what I do to piss her off. Eventually, I worked myself up so much that I fell asleep red-faced.

When I woke up, I was calm. I remember in the store my mom had told me to "get up because I was embarrassing her" ...I asked her why she gets embarrassed by something I do, since she's not the one who cried. She explained it to me how kids are a reflection of their upbringing. I felt bad about it.

That was literally the LAST tantrum I ever had. I am the least entitled person I've ever met. I got a job at 14, supported myself since 17, never been in a fight (except once when I was jumped), never bullied anyone, always treat people with respect including my parents, never turned to drugs.

>>720110163
No, but you should punch Nazis and neo-Nazis.

>>720116038
>fuck up a kid mentally is ok
>just smacking him when he's a bastard isn't

My kids will rule your crazy, self destructive idiot kids, one day.

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>>720116311
call me bismuth, this is fucking 4chan

chances are neither of us have kids and if one of does we shouldn't be allowed near them

>>720116038
My nephew learned the work Fuck when he was 5 or 6 and kept saying it over and over at a family reunion. Everyone was telling him to stop and he thought it was hilarious so he kept saying it louder and louder.

Finally I pulled him aside and told him, "fuck" is a bad word, but you know what's a REALLy bad word?? He got all excited and begged me to tell him, I played along like "idk if you're old enough... idk if you can handle it" "you have to promise you won't say it" finally I said "monkey". He grinned ear to ear and started screaming MONKEY MONKEY instead of fuck.

>>720116540
kek

I think that it should be used to keep the child in line and as a last resort. That being said a lot of discipline should actually be psychological

In general, the arguments for hitting your kids just fall short.

It makes no sense that something that would land you in prison for doing to an adult is discussed as a punishment.

Bottom line, really. If you get to hit your kids, then your boss should get to hit you at work. Someone who is above you gets to discipline you. Seriously, it used to be totally fine.

>>720110163
Only when there's no other solution. Also, never on the head.

>>720110163

If it helps raising the child and teaching it not to do something when all else fails, then yes. As long as it's for disciplinary purposes and not a beating. It also depends on the age and on the severity of the offense.