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Why don't you own an AR-15 for self-defense, and to protect

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Why don't you own an AR-15 for self-defense, and to protect your family, home and country?
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But i do.
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>>720075849
got two
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>>720075849

I have more than one. And plenty of ammunition. Fun to build, easy to dial in... how come I can't own a standard 30-round magazine in California..?
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am an felon
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>>720077844
Only two?

Fucking commie.
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>>720077975
because you vote for the jews
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Yeah, I do though.

10" Noveske and 16" AXTS Boi!
Seriously though, I have a 8.5" 870 for home defence because nothing says Fuck you like 00 buck
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>>720078152
Oh yeah, forgot

CANADA MOTHER FUCKER
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>>720077983
lol
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because .50 > .223
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>>720075849

this thread again
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>>720078539
5.56 > .50
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>>720078585
it's set to autopost every 4 hours, get used to it
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newfag
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>>720075849
Waiting for trump to repeal ny safe so it doesn't look like a piece of fucking trash. Got a mosin to hold me over in the mean time.
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>>720078754
commie
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>>720075849
>Why don't you own an AR-15

Because guns don't give me a raging hard-on.
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>>720078855
Nothing screams freedom like a hot 7.56 flash. and in my defense.....
I rest my case.
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>>720077975
>California
answered your own question anon
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Because I live in NYC and guns are absolutely banned

Only cops can own 9mm and that's it
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>>720075849
Not aloud guns in my country :(
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i prefer AKs.
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>>720080722
commie
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>>720075849
because I live in Connecticut and they're illegal here

we'll see if trump does anything about the gun laws here before I move out of the state
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Because any legitimate force attempting to oppress my country has things like tanks and drones and explosives so to think a semi-automatic assault rifle could do anything meaningful against those would be fucking stupid. You'd have to have the intelligence of a 6 year old that still likes playing war to think that makes sense.
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Currently own nine guns, hoping to build my first AR after I get my tax return.
Going for something like pic related, 16.5 inch barrel with carbine gas, with tan MOE furniture. Or maybe the black MOE, I haven't decided yet.
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>>720075849
I got a .22 levergun.

If I can't kill it with that, a .223 isn't gonna be much better
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>>720075849
because I know how to stop bullets with my katana
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>>720082291
Uninformed faggot detected
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>>720081234
eh we are both for the same cause, guns. Im sure i will own an AR down the road. In fact im planning on taking one of my AKs to a gunshop or pawn shop and see what, if anything, they will trade me. Hopefully will score a shotgun or AR.
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>>720079332

I'd really like to see one of those 'featureless' setups in wood and brass
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>>720075849
I do. Getting another one for my bro out in Texas.
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>>720082366
everyone and their dog has generic moe crap, get something else.
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>>720082550
>gun locks
hahahaha
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>>720082788
>locks gun
ahahahah
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>>720082892
>hahahaha gun
locks
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>>720075849
Because I own multiple AR's, FREEDOM!!!
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>>720083084
>no iron sights
>no optic
So how exactly do you plan on hitting anything?
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>>720082446
Pure Euphoria
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Because I prefer a more personal touch.
Close-in work is so much more satisfying.
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>>720082991
>points gun at self
>HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhHHHH
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>>720082291
FAGGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>720075849
Guns are bad
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Because my AR isn't for self defense in commie Canada
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>>720083244
only pic i had, its got iron sights now. probably add a eo tech red dot soon.
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What optics should I get?
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>>720075849
live in cali so not an option semi 12 ga is best option here and shooting clays is more fun than stationary targets anyways
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>>720083731
infrared laser hologram
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>>720083731
a 3x9 redfield scope
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>>720083731
Vortex sparc II or Vortex AR
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>>720075849
becowz gealorius soviet Kalashnikov is vastly superior
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Been looking into getting a firearm for my self recently and really wanting to get an AR-15. I can't go wild and spend a 1,000 or more dollars on a tricked out super high quality rifle i'm looking for something in the 500 to 600 dollar range that's reliable and good for a first time gun owner, anyone have an recommendations?
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>>720084003

This really has to suck. I live in TN. I can buy practically anything privately and not undergo any checks or paperwork aside from signing a bill of sale. Even big stores can have you out in 10 to 20 min. I can legally conceal even a pistol loaded/chambered in my car without a carry permit.

Consider moving.
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>>720084345
S&W M&P Sport II
Palmetto State anything, as long as it isn't from their PTAC line
Or just build your own

I would probably wait a few months though, I see gun prices dropping a bit since we now have a president that isn't trying to destroy the second amendment.
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>>720075849
Because even decades later Ak47 variants still better than your shit rifles. And also rifles are not good for self defense at home as their bullets might go through walls killing your own people
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>>720084345
depends how much effort you want to put in. you can easily build one for that price and get specific parts you want, or you can buy a complete one, pretty much every gun company makes and entry level AR for $5-600
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Because I own an AK
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Yep.
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>>720083731
ACOG.
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>>720084599
ptac isnt too bad but the price difference is rarely enough to warrant getting it over something else like their Freedom line. though you can get a complete ptac carbine upper with bcg for $250, pretty good deal
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bnmp
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>>720084697
fucking cuck
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>>720083244
Made me take a shitty pic fag.
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>>720084702
second from right, love it
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>>720085331
It's literally just an M16a1 build
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>>720085294
And how so?
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>>720084702
Bad fucking ass man.
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>>720084599
How difficult would you say putting one together would be for someone who has almost zero knowledge of the inner workings of a gun?

I've seen it said that it's more or less like legos but i'm not so sure. As romantic as building one by hand sounds and be nervous about doing it wrong and either injuring myself or damaging all the expensive parts I just bought.

Is it all that much cheaper to do it your self?
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pew pew pew!
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>>720085545
I'm just trolling dude, damn, don't take life so seriously gaww
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>>720085666
Satan confirms.
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>>720075849
cuz i own a black
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>>720085545
how you like that mosin? i got the long ass one and cut about 8" off the barrel, shoots fire balls.
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>>720085673
Never actually done it (yet), I'm the anon way up the thread who said I plan on building one after tax season.

From the many YT videos I've seen, it's fucking cake. This spring goes here, this piece drops in this hole with this other piece retaining it, etc.
Really only need a set of punches, a hammer, and an AR multi-tool if you're putting on the receiver extension and barrel.
A vice and vice block would be great to have, but isn't really required.
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because britbong...
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>>720085673
it's not really much cheaper. for your 1st AR buy a whole gun or a completed upper and lower.Down the line you can make upgrades if you want. they are fairly easy to build but to do it right you need to also buy tools and such, which can eat into your budget quickly. I've built a couple uppers and lowers only because i wanted specific parts.
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>>720084585
Yeah dude all the people here suck I want to move Nevada so I can stay close to family but thats 5 years in the future at best
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YOU OF ASKING YURI WHY HE IS NOT OF OWNING CHEAP, UGLY PIG RIFLE OF PLASTIC AND BILLET ALUMINIUM?

PERHAPS YOU WISH TO BE OF OWNING HIGH PERFORMANCE VEHICLE OF RACING YOU ASSEMBLE YOURSELF OF UNSKILLED HANDS AND CHEAP COMPOSITE?

BETTER TO BE OF OWNING GLORIOUS KARBIN OF SERGI SIMONOV OR RIFLE OF SELECTIVE FIRE OF COMRADE KALASHNIKOV. RIFLES OF SOVIET DESIGN AND STRONG WOOD AND STEEL.

YOU ASSEMBLE JIGSAW PUZZLE OF COMPOSITE AND DIRTY BILLET ALUMINIUM AND THINK YOU ARE OF GUNSMITH OF CALIBER OF SERGEI MOSIN. IN TRUTH, PIG DOG RIFLE SHITS WHERE IT EATS AND ONLY RELIABLE TO JAM ACTION WHEN THE CRIMINAL ENTERS DWELLING.

TAKE ADVICE FROM YURI AND ACQUIRE RELIABILITY OF SOVIET WEAPONS, PRODUCE GAPING HOLES OF THIRTY CALIBER IN BODY OF CRIMINAL, DEFEND FAMILY AND MOTHERLAND IN THIS WAY.
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>>720085956
Hella kick, but shoots nice.
I really love the folding bayonet
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>>720086389
Kim go to bed, you are drunk again.
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>>720086493
i believe the shorter one you have is a paratrooper 9130?
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>>720086572
Its an M44
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>>720086128
If you're in a pinch, I know from experience you can build a lower with only a vice grip and a 2 piece punch kit for the bolt catch. You don't really need all the vice block punch kit crap, it certainly makes it easier though.
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>>720075849
Don't need one because I make enough money to live in an affluent city with very few niggers who may want to break in.

Also, guns are for faggots
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>>720084585
>I can legally conceal even a pistol loaded/chambered in my car without a carry permit.
I came.
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Don't have one. It's agains the law to defend yourself in Commiefornia.
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>>720086669
lowers are easier to build, i built an A2 lower in about 20 mins with a couple pin punches, a hammer, and some some common sense. the hammer was the hardest part because it's under so much tension and you have to put the pin through several holes that have to be precisely lined up. not as easy as legos but was easier than i thought
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Actually Im currently shopping around.

Debating on picking up a Ruger 556 or Sport II, or just getting an upper and lower from PSA or Aero.

People say buying the upper and lower separately saves money, but not if you want some acceptable furniture on it.

Still not sure what Im gonna do yet. I want to try and keep it under 700 bucks.
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>>720086892
can do that in several states.
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Coz I don't buy cheap crap
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>>720087163
That doesn't make any sense.

Why do you say this?
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>>720087039
all i can suggest is shop around, and sign up for email deals from places like palmetto, aero, etc. if you know exactly what you want it is easier to determine which route to take. furniture is really easy to change.
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I don't really have the budget, I been thinking about putting aside $500 or so to build one.

My dream though is pic related
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>>720087417
>furniture is really easy to change.

Yeah. I see some good deals from Palmetto. Ive heard only good things about them on r/guns and r/ar15 (sue me).

I want to get my barrel pretty short...But at what point does the govt get salty about that?
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>>720087663
Anything with a barrel under 16.5 inches is considered a pistol, and as such can't have a stock, and you can't shoulder it
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>>720075849
the last armed attack was in 2014 and only 2 people died, and the last one before that was 2001..
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>>720087663
if the barrel is under 16" and the atf wants $200 and your 1st born child to have a legal sbr. it's not worth it imo. There are some grey-area work arounds such as "stabilizers" instead of traditional stocks but you cant legally shoulder it like a stock.
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>>720087980
lol wut
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>>720075849
I own no firearms but have shot the M16A4 and the M4. They are pretty cool to shoot.
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Im about to get a shotgun a rifle isnt cool enough if i was id get a m4 though ive shot both and the m4 is nicer to me
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>>720085459
yup, oldie but a goodie
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>>720088093
Guns are not a threat in NZ.
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>>720088477
not yet...wait until muslims invade your country
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>>720088477
I wouldnt live there without a gun, with all those wargs, orcs and uruk hai marauding around freely. fuck that.
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>>720088554
my $ is on china invading 1st.
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>>720087550

wow thats fucking hideous.

you can do better than that, man shit. get some uniformity.
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>>720087550
>thinking about
just do it already. fuck.
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>>720088750
>get some uniformity.
spoken like a true commie
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>>720088640
oh and evil wizards
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>>720075849
>I live around a bunch of rich white people
>with 2 million active and reserved soldiers, a fleet only outmatched by the galactic empire and technology surpassing everyone else, I'm sure the country can protect itself.
>I don't know a situation where I would need that much range, power and accuracy
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>>720089208
Yeah but Gandalf
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>>720089520
he will take at least 20 minutes to come when you call, wtf do you do until then?
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>>720089740
never late nor early though
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>>720088835
Well really I am talking about the skeletonized build, not really the color scheme. Although I like the Red on black, not the tan.
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>>720089957
he's old and gets lost easily
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>>720075849
thats an autonoob sniper
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>>720089998
i was telling him to save $500 and get an AR already, obviously not the shit in his pic though
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I honestly rather have (and do have) a pump action 16 gauge for home defense, mostly because that sound will send any home invader running.

For me an AR-15 is a range toy. I like the idea of getting a longer range format gun, like the AR-30... I don't know of any public ranges with in a hundred miles of NJ that have a range long enough to really stretch it's legs though.
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>>720090189
Oh I meant to respond to the comment above.
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>>720090321
>16 gauge
lol
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>>720090428
thats what i thought but u never know =)
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Have an AR-10, ammo is a bitch though.
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>>720090607
at least it's not a meme caliber like 300blk or 6.8spc, .458 socom, etc
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>>720075849
Because my 10/22 is cheaper and comfier.
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>>720090495
Yeah... I had a motorcycle crash about 20 years ago and fucked up my shoulder. I really can't take the recoil of a 12 gauge with out being in pain.
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1 of my 4 ARs. shoots boolits. is cool guy.
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>>720088693
I can tell you're not german. That's a good thing, I feel bad for my deutsch brothers, all that refugee bullshit is what's bringing terror attacks to europe.
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>>720091064
I ordered that exact same optic Sunday. It's arriving tomorrow morning.
Is it shit, or is it a good deal for the cheap price?
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>>720090978
a pump action wouldnt be the best probably, as you would have the force of the recoil plus the force when you pump it, twice as many impacts to your shoulder. But that's just my opinion, i obviously cant say what is subjectively best for you.
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>>720091122
yeah, murica here. feels good.
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>>720091314
I was skeptical at first but i wanted a red dot and had a hard budget of $50. It seemed to have good reviews so i got it. Have had it for over a year and probably 1K rounds shot with it and i am impressed, no issues. holds zero great, sturdy mount, bright enough for use on bright sunny days.
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>>720091746
also, i have it on a .5" mount for lower 1/3 co witness, just fyi
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>>720091746
>>720091906
Thanks for the heads up. The one I ordered comes with a riser as well. Hopefully it will line up properly. If not, i'll just go from there.
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>>720092124
i bought my riser separately. what co witness are you going for, if any? do u have a a2 front sight or a flip up?
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>>720075849
>AR-15 for self-defense, and to protect your family, home

How the fuck is an AR-15 useful for these things? Do you sling it on your shoulder wherever you go? How do you maneuver it effectively through the hallways of your home? What about the time it takes to properly aim? What about the inherent risk to family members from rifle bullets going through walls or deflecting?

Why don't you just admit to the fact that you're a manchild living in a barbie dreamhouse fantasy with rifles like these, and in doing so you fuck up the gun debate for the rest of us.
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no AR is complete without attack kittehs
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>>720092772
i lold. 9/10
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>>720092569
Flip up. I want an absolute co witness.
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>>720093201
cool, I usually recommend absolute, especailly with flip ups. no reason your red dot wont line up
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>>720093481
Sweet. Here's the AR pistol it's going on.
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bump for crying liberals
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>>720091459
Yeah maybe... But I think the sound it makes, potentially making anyone in the house shit them selves, is worth a bit of pain. The big thing is, I can get a few shots off with out the pain slowing me down. With a 12 gauge I can hardly get a second shoot.
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>>720093856
are the flip ups real or cheap knock-offs? just curious
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>>720092772
Pretty much... Bird shoot is the best for home defense if you aren't the only one who lives there. And I don't even see how it would be useful for "defending murica", if they get past the navy and the fucking tanks, a semi-auto rifle is gonna do shit.

That being said, they are fun guns to own.
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>>720093871
that's assuming they even hear it.
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bullpup weapons are a better choice.. more compact
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>>720092929
Finally someone in this thread is doing it right.
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>>720093965
Cheap knock offs. They're not plastic though. They shoot straight and don't wiggle.
I'll get better ones later on. (maybe 45 degree angle sights)
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>>720094118
Well that's their fault, the next warning is bird shot to the face. lol
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>>720093856
not the poster but they are diamondhead sights they dont "pop up" but they are bad ass especially with a chevron front post installed
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if you want an ar youre an idiot. 556 vs 762 obvious winner. so get a sig 716 or fuck off with your piece of shit kek cuntfag gun and get an ak 107
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>>720094074
>Bird shoot is the best for home defense
if you are in a situation where you need to use a gun to stop a threat that you perceive as life-threatening, you shoot to kill, not wound/scare.
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>>720094318
>>720093201
Yea, I know they're not pop ups, just flip up. Be a lot cooler if they were though.
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>>720094162
I have several cheap iron sights, they are pretty good for the $ and better than not having any at all and can always up grade as your needs/wants change.
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bwahahaha fucktard cuntfag i wish you could use a battle rifle to defend your family. surefire way to be sure your genetics never carry on. be sure to use surplus rounds theyll definitely make their way into the kids rooms
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>>720094534
i have the diamondhead 45's and they are awesome they pop out and swivel up when you push the button
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>>720094279
then what after the bird shot warning? fire 6 more bird shot warnings and then ask them nicely to please leave?
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>>720093856

Can you do this with a collapsable stock? I would love to make an ar15 look like an MP5
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>>720094812
Those are pretty cool. If I decide to get a magnifier for my red dot, I think i'll want something very similar to those.
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>>720095027
not legally unless you register it as a sbr.
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>>720095027
you can
but legally you need to buy a $200 tax stamp
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>>720095027
It costs $200 + 8 month waiting period to receive the tax stamp for an sbr. That's why I went with the Shockwave blade instead of a stock.
Fucking NFA
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>>720095157
and then wait 6-12 months for atf to approve or deny.
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>>720075849
The Second Amendment now make sense for blue Staters. Need to buy guns to fend off the zombies from The Red State rural areas
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>>720094449
If given the chance I'm not going out of my way to kill someone. I think bird shoot is more than enough to really incapacitate someone, or at lest make them run. If not though the next one is buck
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>>720095318
Stupid enough to vote for Trump, just look at him now, that qualifies you as Living Dead.
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>>720075849
got 2
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>>720095441
thinking any prez makes fuck all difference
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>>720094128
>doing it right

Exactly. Always keep your rifle fully loaded, unsecured, and on an elevated platform next to notoriously fidgety and unpredictable animals.
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>>720095576
Cause those kitties are totally going to switch it from safe to fire, fuck off.
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>>720075849
Got one. But I don't pretend it's for self defense or protecting my family. I own one because it's fun to go out in my back yard and shoot a bunch of shit, and it is very close to the M-16 I carried in the military. It's a toy, and anyone who pretends different is in a fantasy world.
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>>720095793
This.
I wish I could shoot mine in the back yard. Gotta drive outside of town to have any fun.
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>>720094449

If you think you'll be standing upright after being hit with birdshot, even if only half the volley glances your core, you may be the most delusional one-man-militiaman here.
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>>720095407
>well this might work, i have no idea so ill go with it instead of something that is objectively better.

your thinking "logic" is nonsense and sad. you value their life over yours, makes no sense to me.

Defending your life isnt "going out of your way." THEY went out of their way to threaten you.
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>>720083437
Well, you screamed "faggot", so I guess you win the debate. Unless he comes back over the top and screams "cuck". I'm surrounded by morons.
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>>720083502
mmmmmmmmmmkay?
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>>720095318

That's exactly what I did. Bougjt a 9mm and a 380 auto. There's going to be a civil war. The Trumpkins need to be culled. They're cancer.
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>>720095731

And keeping a firearm pointed downrange is a silly rule because it's not like a gun ever misfires or a trigger slips or someone is a douchebag and forgets/ignores another basic rule of gun responsibility.
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>>720096167
have fun getting picked off from another zip code.
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I'll protect myself and my family, but fuck the country. Rome fell, it's about time we did too
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>>720095949
every situation is different, it may or may not be enough to stop the threat but the odds are lower than if using ammo that is actually designed to quickly and effectively stop a threat bigger than a duck.
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>>720075849

I'm not really interested in guns.
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>>720096442
Grow up, you mark ass nigga
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>>720096212
you stupid fuck head cuck faggot retard the reason that rule is in place is because noone likes having a firearm pointed at them under any circumstance. dunno if youve ever looked down a barrel from the wrong end but if you havent please do... and then hopefully they pull the trigger and shoot your nuts off
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>>720096167
hopefully the civil war isnt more than 50 yards away, otherwise your guns are totally useless.
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>>720095731
the safety is on though, it's all ok.
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>>720075849
because I own an FN P90 you typical redneck
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>>720096288
Sure faget
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>>720096357

Fine, then if you want to play probabilities, how about the statistics on being far more likely to shoot a friend or family member than a legit intruder? In that case, less-lethal ammo for at least your first round is a bit more responsible mathematically, don't you think?

>>720096542

*sigh* Then why is there also a basic rule to remove the magazine at the range even if the safety's on and the gun's pointed downrange?
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>>720087980
if you're attacked will you try to show them statistics
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>>720075849
This thread again dipshit redneck
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>>720096976

Make sure to wear your life preserver wherever you go -- the next tsunami could strike at any time, and there's no early-warning system!
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>>720096028
If I lived alone I would load buck completely... But I don't. I have a family. The last thing I want is for stuff to be flying through the walls.

Honestly my house is really secure, my defense is set moire to discourage intruders long before I would even have to shoot.

We have a strong gate around the house, solid wood doors with strong locks, we have a few obvious cameras on the outside (to discourage people from picking our house), an alarm system that is on at night, and my favorite feature is the hallway lights are RGB LED's and start flashing red with the alarm. Not to mention the sleeping rooms part of the house is around an easy to defend corner, I would easily get of the first shoot for anyone coming around the corner. And on top of all of that, My wife would be behind me with her 1911, if they are not taken down with the first shot.

I really think my set up is very secure.
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>>720096942
good lord are you insane
all of those stats you talk about are about handguns
drug addicts and nutjobs always have handguns lying around
real people interested in home defense have shotguns and tactical long guns and very rarely are there unintended/friendly fire shootings
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>>720096942

im not playing, im stating objective info. but good job changing the subject to something totally irrelevant because you know youre wrong. if you are too scared to take the chance to kill someone one with a gun then you shouldnt ever shoot a gun nor have a gun at all for everyone's sake.
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bmpp
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>>720097496
>>720097177

You go ahead then thinking you are incapable of making a mistake, thinking you have perfect nightvision and cognition when suddenly awoken at 4am and can always distinguish friend from foe by silhouette alone.

Reality seems to be tough for you Rambos to grasp.
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>>720075849
Not this thread again
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>>720098414
I'm the bird shoot guy... I agree with you.. however anyone with a brain will have a high powered light on their gun. Not only to light up your target, but to blind and daze them.
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>>720082366
>16.5 inch barrel with carbine gas
non.
if you want the m4 aesthetic go 14.5" with a pinned muzzle device of sufficient length to bring it over 16".
if you don't want the m4 aesthetic, go 16" mid gas.
16" carbine is pantsu on head.
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>>720098414
knowing your target is one of the basic rules. just because you are incapable of doing it doesnt mean everyone is retarded as you.
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>>720085673
>building one
assembling one.
and very easy if you are even remotely handy.
>https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/226782_Assemble_your_own_LOWER__UPPER__FREE_FLOAT__TRIGGER__GAS_BLOCK___Step_by_step_instructions_.html
>https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9D875B52EB8FDA96

>>720090495
give 'em both barrels there biden.
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>>720098716
>a high powered light
>>720099261
>knowing your target

Ok, it's 4am, you've been suddenly awoken from REM sleep, the house is pitch black. Now the initial assumption here has been that your intruder is armed and dangerous, so you using the high-powered light while moving through the house will give away your position completely giving him ample time to hide and ambush you or whatever. So I guess your assumption is once you see his shadow or hear him, you turn on the light to dazzle him... except your eyes are only adjusted to the dark so you won't be able to make out any details of his face and body for many seconds, and that's assuming the light reflected from white walls and windows doesn't daze you momentarily as well (and it almost certainly will).

Then your rule is to know your target, you say? In your house in your neighborhood you must distinguish between friend and foe. The intruder doesn't have that concern -- the only human he will encounter is "foe". So somebody comes down the stairs with a sudden flash of light and a yell or something, and the intruder is armed, do you think his first reaction on getting his bearings is going to be to try to make out your face like yours will be with him? No, he will shoot to kill.

tldr; to know your target with confidence in this scenario requires time and cognition that you won't have.
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>>720100136
>time and cognition that you won't have
you wouldnt have it
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>>720100528

Experiments show that cognition for at least 15 minutes after being woken from REM is about as good as being falling-over drunk. Don't be such a faggot.
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>>720100136
you shouldn't be doing room clearing unless you need to get to family members.
your first order of business after grabbing a weapon should be getting on the line with 911 and declaring to any potential intruders in your residence that you are armed and will defend life and property, probably having switched on a lamp or light somewhere in the process of doing so.

>The intruder doesn't have that concern
this is yet another disadvantage of being the good guy.

trust me when i say you will be okay with your own light unless you are pointing it into a mirror or you have a fucking 4k lumen light on your firearm. lights in the 200-400 lumen range are sufficiently bright to disorient people in a dark room but not yourself if you know it's coming. don't be that guy who shoots his dipshit kid sneaking back in.
and stop playing so much fucking battlefield, and for that matter this isn't splinter cell either.
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>>720078711
Uhhh why's that? Wether you prefer the AR system is irrelevant, plenty of Americans prefer the AK system and it's arguable the better system.

Certainly easier to maintain.
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>>720100681
training and experience can help mitigate some of the effects
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My dick is big enough.
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>>720100817
both are super easy to maintain if youre not a retard.
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>>720100817
>easier to maintain
more like loose whore who is tolerant of abuse.
they'll both last forever and function reliably when maintained but when the barrel is shot out on the ak, you throw it away or give it to an arab who doesn't aim anyway.
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>>720075849
Probably because my country doesn't need further protecting. The Toupee has this shit on lockdown.
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>>720078711
Icecreaminkids?
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>>720078711
evan?
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>>720101145
So? Whatever gets more camelniggers killed.
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>>720100714
>but not yourself if you know it's coming.

Knowing it's coming doesn't let you physically pre-adjust your eyes or pre-saturate select nerves in your occipital lobe.

As for the video game comment, I assume you meant when I referred to the intruder doing an ambush. Well, you're the ones operating under the assumption that this intruder is armed, dangerous, and would rather stay inside than cut and run as soon as he realized someone woke up, much less that someone might be armed.
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>>720092772
Some of us have room at our house and some of us have land. Whether it's my glock or AR or shotgun it's just pretty much our way of saying cross the line get some lead poisoning.
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>>720094449
Good slug will stop a threat
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>>720100933

Sure, it can reduce the recovery time, as long as you maintain a training regimen of interrupting REM at a random time say once a week for... the rest of your life (since your brain will re-adjust quickly back to your normal sleep routine when it's no longer in emergency awareness mode)
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>>720075849
I have my gun already.
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>>720101548
have you ever used a flashlight before?
is your first response upon hearing a crash that is worth rousing yourself from bed not to turn on a light?
no one is saying that you can cheat the physics of the human ocular system but your insistence that your head would explode upon turning on a flashlight is so absurd i'm worried you have never owned one, far less experimented with a weapon light to determine its suitability, yet still feel the need to post regarding them.
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>>720101803

You don't get to automatically use lethal force against mere trespassing -- not in any state, dumbass.
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>>720102140
lol what is that, a bryco .380?
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>>720102212
A Raven Arms .25 auto.
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>>720101988
All training regimens help, doesnt have to be just for when waking up. high stress training in any situation helps prepare you immensely for irl situations.
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>>720102449

Wow. Call me then when Crossfit and survival camp make you a better drunk driver, because that's the proper analogy to what we're talking about with sleep here.
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>>720102175
>doesnt know about make my day
stay in school, kiddo.
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>>720075849
Because I'm not compensating for something
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>>720102946
>proper anaology
lol! that example is totally irrelevant to the situation. but training/experience to use guns is relevant to using a gun in a irl situation.
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>>720075849
Because I can get a real assault rifle AND I don't need an assault-rifle appearing gun to compensate for my dick size. I'm okay with my tiny dick.
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>>720103282
>make my day

Colorado has the loosest law:
>"...any occupant of a dwelling is justified in using any degree of physical force, including deadly physical force, against another person when that other person has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, and when the occupant has a reasonable belief that such other person has committed a crime in the dwelling in addition to the uninvited entry, or is committing or intends to commit a crime against a person or property in addition to the uninvited entry, and when the occupant reasonably believes that such other person might use any physical force, no matter how slight, against any occupant."

It requires unlawful entry into a *dwelling*. This has legal meaning -- it specifically excludes "muh lawn". Then it also requires reasonable belief that the intruder potentially might use some type of force, which is obviously easy to justify in almost every case except the obvious minor trespassing of someone who's obviously not intending to commit a crime, unlike what you seem to imply.

So yeah, school.
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>>720104296
>justified in using...deadly physical force, against another person when that other person... might use any physical force, no matter how slight

Jesus fucking Christ your country is weird
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>>720104296
>Then it also requires reasonable belief that the intruder potentially might use some type of force
or you can reasonably infer the intruder has intent to commit a crime against either person or property within that dwelling.

>>720104472
more like great. i cannot imagine living in a country where you could not legally use any force necessary to defend your dwelling in the face of unlawful entry. you should be able to reasonably infer that any person who knowingly forces their way into another's dwelling has ill intent in mind, doubly so if it is occupied and they fail to immediately flee upon discovering so.

most of Europe is pretty weird by that account.
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>>720104472

Colorado is the only state that doesn't require reasonable fear of danger to self or occupants, hence the "Make My Day" law. Only a minority of states have a strict Castle Doctrine which gives occupants complete stand-your-ground-style immunity. The majority have a duty to flee first and only can use deadly force as a last resort.
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>>720104839
>or you can reasonably infer

Subclause of the phrase "and when the occupant has ..." which is inclusive with " and when the occupant reasonably believes that such other person might use any physical force". Learn to read.
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>>720105172
i was simply tying into a later point. don't get all butthurt like i was calling you out faggot. learn to read.
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because i dont like eugene stoner's meme gun
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>>720082366
Speaking from experience 16 inch carbine sucks. I had to buy a new buffer buffer spring extractor and Orin for the extractor to reliably run brass or steel cased both would get stuck in the chamber. It runs like a pissed off sowing machine now but it's just better to get a middy 16 or even a rifle 20
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>>720082291
Yeah and we spent over 10 years in sand nigger land cause rifles are ineffective against the American millitary
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>>720083412
Lol mall ninja faggot
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>>720084654
That's a load of shit. Have you seen the inrangetv mud test video? Or frangible 223 that penetrates walls less than 9mm?
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because a rifle does not protect your home. Earning 150K and living in a safe neighbourhood does.
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>>720085673
I did mine without a vice block or even an armoers tool. Just used a hammer some pliers and a pocket knife. I mean I nigget rigged the shit out of it but it goes bang not boom. It's easy
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>>720078590
5.56 < 12.7
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>>720079332
7.56 huh?
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>>720087550
That's not the best choice for your first AR. Expensive as fuck and not nearly as reliable as a standard AR because of all the holes in the receiver. These things are for competition where every bit of weight counts.
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the bigger the gun, the smaller the penis
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>>720075849
I got this though... which, for a European would be like for an American to own a nuclear weapon.

But for real though, the Webley & Scott Empire .270 2015 is one hell of a damn fine weapon; not even once in my life have I even seen a better hunting rifle
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bwahaha cant believe you still thinking of an ar15 get an ar 10 or 8 or like i fucking said get an ak107 you shit for brainsfag
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>>720095793
I use one on my HD 9mm AR...
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