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What do anons think about abortion. Are you pro-life or pro-choice

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What do anons think about abortion.

Are you pro-life or pro-choice and why?

Seems like an ongoing moral conundrum.
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Even if you say it should be legal, how is it not disgusting and sad and only to be considered in extreme cases?
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>>720046397
MODSMODSMODS
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>>720046397c
No conundrum. Its a moral outrage, but not worth putting women and providers in jail for. I oppose it for moral but non-religious grounds. The religious fucks that go around acting as if they are God's tools whacking doctors are just as whacky as Isis. Fuck all ya fux. People suck.
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I don't try to tell stupid whores that is ok or not to kill their kids but I certainly don't think tax payers should be paying for it.
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>>720046397
On one hand I'm all for killing babies but on the other I hate the idea of giving women a choice.
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Everything about abortion is morally wrong and twisted. It should absolutely be illegal. You fucked without a condom, or you weren't careful enough? Too fucking bad. It's your responsibility as a human being to take care of that kid. No ifs or buts.
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I dont give a shit but i dont want federal funding for planned parenthood.
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>>720046785
Morality implies a religious bias, the word you're looking for here is "ethics".
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>>720046971
dank meme m8 :)(
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>>720046397
Abortion is perfectly acceptable up to the 2608th week.
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>>720046940
I feel ya, man..
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>>720047097
It absolutely does not.
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>>720046397
A fetus can't survive on its own. It is fully dependent on its mother's body, unlike born human beings.

Even if a fetus was alive, the "right to life" doesn't imply a right to use somebody else's body. People have the right to refuse to donate their organs, for example, even if doing so would save somebody else's life.

Would a person refusing to donate organs also be committing homicide?

If not, this makes the right to abortion seem rather more just - as the legal decision to refuse to support a life is incomparable to the illegal decision to end one.

What is your recommendation in the cases where childbirth:

-is as the result of rape
-puts the life of the pregnant woman at risk
-poses a risk to the mental and physical health of the pregnant woman
-poses a risk to the mental and physical health of the fetus
-shows there is evidence of extreme fetal abnormality i.e. the child would be seriously physically or mentally handicapped after birth and during life
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>>720046971
Some guy beats and rapes your girl then beats and rapes you. The same seed that fills your now ripped asshole is the seed that will grow and mature into the half nigger baby you are to raise. What do you do?
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>>720046397
for a moment I though the kid was black and then suddenly changed to white.
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>>720047262
ABORT
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i was for abortion when my gf became pregnant, and was attempting at any means necessary to get her to get one, even at 23 weeks i was still pushing for it

now that he's been born, and all those other emotions of fear and anxiety are over, morally speaking I don't agree with it whatsoever, i mean just looking at that photo from OP makes me feel like shit, but I'm thankful he's alive today and wouldn't want it any other way.

He's 18 days old now
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>>720046397
Prochoice till 4 months
After that by all means make it illegal
How the fuck do you not take care of something you want right away
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>>720047357
No brainer, right?
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blacks are pretty-well convinced we use it to keep their population in check
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>>720047050
>>720047050
>>720047050

Only non-autistic response.
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>>720046397
I think it's totally unfair that women are allowed to kill babies if they can't handle the responsibilty, but if I punch a pregnant woman in the stomach I'll be charged with murder. Ridiculous. Completely ridiculous.
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>>720047050
enjoy your crime-wave in the next decade or so.
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>>720047513
Don't get caught doing it then
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>>720046829
They dont. Take it from someone who had gone through with it, costs around 600 to get done not including if you want anastasia, and you definitely will. Ex described it as "vacuum in vagoo"
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>>720046397
i'm pro abortion with conditions

if there is no good reason for the abortion the mother gets sterilised as well
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>>720047388
6552 days to go
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I'm all for pro choice. As a human right, it is your body, you do what you want with it. However I don't think it should be government funded. It should sway away shitty niggers, spics and white trash from anti-contraception as a go to. If you can't afford to abort your kid than either put it up for adoption or take care of it yourself.

However, I am pro choice to a certain extent. I truly don't know until I am in those shoes, and I'm a man. I really wouldn't know. I do believe that the fetus deserves to live. It's morally wrong to kill something that you made, but if you and your partner are like out of school and can take care of it, then by all means take care of it.
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I'm not even going to read peoples comments on this because I get so mad. Abortion isnt used as a whores way of getting rid of an "uh-oh". If I were raped I would not keep the dudes baby.
>inb4 female contraceptives
I shouldn't have to wear a little plastic stick in my arm to prevent surprise pregnancy by some nigger
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>>720046785
>>720047255

the only people who give a fuck if women have an abortion are christfags and autistic virgins who deeply resent the "whores" that laughed at them in highschool.
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hoo kers?
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>>720047853
Keep in mind, the abortion is painful as shit (>>720047661 anon again) and can seriously damage the woman's parts sometimes permanently. It's not something people are gonna use instead of birth control
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>>720047661
If you paid for it completely without government assistance and my insurance premiums are not raised to help cover your stupid ass then I am cool with it. One less genetic failure in the world.
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Some people should have mandatory abortions, there are enough people. Morality and your opinion have nothing to do with the survival of the human race. Your first prenatal doctor appointment should include a mandatory iq test and if you and your spouse don't pass the test ABORT.
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>>720047753

and I'll enjoy those days because he's my child
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>>720046397
Daesh (ISIL) and the encroachment of Sharia Law is the greatest human rights crisis of several generations.

Sharia Law makes Abortion look saintly.
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>>720046563
As a very liberal person, I don't deny this. Abortion is a bad thing, but it needs to remain legal in the interest of the people who would do it anyway if it were illegal. You know, so they only kill one person instead of two.
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>>720043355
I hate babies. Kill as many as you want
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>>720046397

I am an abortionist and I seriously favor it because its good business. I make well into 6 figures
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>>720048051
Are you in a situation you can afford a child? That might help too.
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7 billion dumbfucks on this planet. I'm all 4 abortion
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>>720048015
This
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>>720046397
Im actually pro genocide so abortion isnt really a big deal to me. Ugenics is probably the only thing I like the leftist for. They abort about 35,000 nigger babies alone every year. That doesnt count the wetbacks, kikes, mudslime, or any other shit tier race
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>>720046397
About 4 months in is when the fetus can feel pain. I am in support of women being allowed to abort before 5 months due to this scientific fact.

At this time, the fetus would be 1.5 centimeters.

There are too many reasons to allow (restricted) abortion: economic, social, psychological - not just for the woman but also greater society.
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>>720047887
Do you really think many abortions happen as a result of rape? The vast majority are a result of skanks who like the feeling of men ejaculating in their holes and cant be bothered to go on the pill. Abortion is just convenient for them.
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>>720047853
If a mother is relying on govt assistance to about a child, then she would most likely be on govt assistance to raise the child if the abortion was unavailable. Tell me, what's more expensive to the taxpayer:
>1. One time abortion
>2. 18 years govt assistance
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>>720046397
The only real discussion to be had is where to draw the line. Making a general statement about it just proves a person to be incapable of connecting their ethics to the real, physical world. If they aren't, they are unwilling and hence equally void of reason.
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>>720048586
Abort**
>Phone autocorrect
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>>720048034
edgy. but there are too many environmental factors distinguishing IQ. It would be almost arbitrary to filter out genes based on non-genetic considerations.
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>>720047895
I'm simply objecting to your statement that "morality" implies religion. I'm completely pro-choice
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>>720048586
Wait why do they require either???

Oh right because you wanna play ghandi. How about we keep our money and the people that arent shit will survive just fine.
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>>720046397

the non-religious pro-life argument "I'm an autistic faggot who will never get laid and hate all the assholes and sluts who enjoy life and get to have sex so i think abortion should be illegal and STD research should be outlawed."
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>>720048586
I vote no assistance at all and let them get what they deserve for acting irresponsibly and being unable to survive as a result.

I think acceptations could be made to the law if it were a rape.
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Pro-choice, before 3 - 4 months. Other than that, I think the fuck not
There at least needs to be that choice.
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>>720048780
Thankyou
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>>720046397
Abortion should be legal at the very LEAST to prevent more retards/mentally handicapped. They are a drain to government money. A drain on the people that are stuck raising them. They make everyone else uncomfortable. They are a liability. They are bad for healthcare costs. It's fucking lose lose. God don't punish by proxy. He goes individually. If you can't handle it, shut your eyes.
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>>720046397
Show me one person who's against abortion that has a clear, effective plan for what to do with unwanted babies.
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>>720048738
>>720048780
And these are the people that think living in a 3rd world country would be pretty great.
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>>720046397
damn these fake pics, and people believe it... jesus
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>>720046397
sucked a set of twins out when i was 19, then chemical with another one when i was 25.

best decision anyone could have ever made for those three "people"
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>>720048780
And when birthcontrol or condoms fail?
Dude stop being a retard, we have far to many people on this planet already.
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>>720046397
It's not that I'm 'pro-choice.'

I'm anti-life.
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>>720048876
good one, it would be a miracle to find abortion opponents that have more to bring to the table than either doctrine or feelings.
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>>720048894
No those are the people that were out marching the other day.
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>>720048894
No abortion would still be legal I just dont wanna pay for some disgusting niggers screw ups
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I'm pro-choice but against abortion if that contradiction makes sense.
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>>720049023
Why is that anon? Is it because retards fuck out of control and the government allows them to continue without issue. The weak die and the population doesn't go up.
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>>720046397
Meh. Kill them all.
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>>720046397
Personally pro-choice, but my reasons are unrelated to "Muh womyn rites".
Publicly i can't give less of a fuck about it.

Can this meme die already? Stop forcing your shit
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>>720049174
>weak die and population doesn't go up
Have you ever BEEN to a trailer park?
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>>720048417
You're sick
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>>720049086
Huh? I'm saying those people who want no govt assistance at all are basically asking for a third world shithole of a country.

>>720049111
No govt assistance at all leads to greater poverty, leads to third world shithole.
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>>720049256
Government assistance...
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>>720049292
Oh really?? Is that why thrid wpuld shitholes are communist
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>>720049405
World*
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pro abortion, lets get some numbers
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>>720049292
I am saying I disagree because without assistance they would die off and smart strong people would rise up and continue to live the way they always have.
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>>720049328
Oh I guess you haven't. You see they're pretty cheap to live in and always house the weakest of the population.
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>>720049579
I have seen them anon. They live on government assistance. They would die off otherwise.
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my spouse an are are both non engaging hebephiles and drug users.

We both had mental health problems as teens and barely made it past an hero phase.

I have a high genetic risk for lung complications as well as a spinal defect which can be passed on.

Most women in my gf's family have died under 50 from heart failure.

We both have some anger issues which need kept in check by one another.

Both of us are dysfunctionally phonophobic which results in rage situation. I can see either of us shaking a baby

Neither of us plan to ever reproduce.

That being said, together and without children, we can be functional professional members of society.

spawn would ruin all that.

she was on depo when she got pregnant with the twins. we were young and on many drugs so that was at 21weeks.

with the third, she was on POPS and it didnt work.

as soon as i finish my degree and get a job with insurance i am getting fixed.
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>>720046397
I dunno man. Do you even know any babies? It's hard to say they that even a newborn is a person. They just sit there, poop, make noise...

You're nurturing something that will become an amazing person but when they're even younger than that...

Well, not to put too fine a point on it but a quick end is better than a lot of us get. People worry about death, there's loss of life, but no one ever thinks about how there was no life to begin with. You were not here 5 years before you were born and 5 years after you die you're not here. ::shrug::
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I believe in abortion is just don't believe women should have the choice
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>>720048179


yeah! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Its fucked but so is babies having babies and broke ass skeezers trying to buy smokes and get diapers. Its not my fucking body so handle your buisness ladies
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>>720046397
I'm republican, Catholic and could honestly give 2 fucks.

It's not my business if people get abortions. Just keep that shit private.
Don't go around bragging about it.

Ultimately the issue is between that person and God. So I don't bother to care.
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>>720046397
I'm ultimately pro-choice but I think the pro-life side has the better moral argument.

The sweeping vast majority of abortions carried out are done so out of convenience, often economic convenience, as opposed to some serious medical condition in which the would-be mother's life is sincerely in danger. These rationalizations of, "Oh, I'm not ready," "The child would surely not have a good life if I had it now," or even, "I simply don't have the finances to support a child right now," are all just that--rationalizations. Worse, they're rationalizations a reluctant father could just as easily make and lay claim to and yet these would-be mothers would be just as quick to spit in these unwilling father's faces for daring to say such things. These excuses are not only contemptuous but hypocritical.

However, the simple fact of the matter is that there is a demand for abortions. Hell, we've excavated various cites dating back to ancient Greece that held the remains of infants--an early form of "abortion" if you will. Even more recently, before safe haven laws, we'd find babies thrown in dumpsters, tied up in burlap sacks and tossed into the river, so on and so forth. If people don't want to be parents bad enough they will do some far more heinous shit despite the deterrence of law. If a human life must die, what would you rather? Drowning to death in a burlap sack very much aware of it? Or cut short before sentience?

It's just pragmatism. The state of being in which society gets to a point that the only abortions carried out are those in which the mother is mortal danger is a pipe-dream. You either deal with the imperfect solution of barely mitigated wanton abortion or the far more imperfect solution in which it's heavily criminalized and we go back to finding a fuckton of baby corpses.
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>>720046397
It's actively killing kids, so that's a plus.
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Abortion is the greatest gift feminists have ever given the white race!

The VAST majority of women getting abortions (at least in America) are black, which obviously means the vast majority of babies getting a return to sender procedure are black. Abortion is the single greatest contributor to the fact that the American black population has been nearly flat for the last 30 years.

If anything we should be heavily promoting and subsidizing abortion for proud women of color! Hell... I'd pay MORE taxes if you gave black women a "finders fee" for each Tiny Tyrone they scalp.

The only flaw with abortion is that it only guts the black community. Mexicans and Muslims are too damn God fearing to allow their Petite Pacos and Minature Mohammeds to be disposed of. Damn shame.
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If the consequence of having a child you cannot support results in the death of you and your child the result would be people that actually have to practice self control and only have sexy fun time when they have earned it by earning enough money to support a family.

If a tiger has 6 cubs and one falls behind it dies. If they stay and cater to the weak then they all starve and become weak which lowers the overall chance of the pack. Nature has had the common sense answer to most problems. Diseases should be a common sense warning but that doesn't stop anyone. Society will find a way around it so the week can continue to shoot porno's.
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>>720046397
Pro choice does not mean pro-abortion, not at all.
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>>720051981
No. Black and Hispanic women actively try to shit out as many babies as they can so that they can get even fatter cheques from the government. Get rid of welfare and then promote abortion and it would be a gift to whites.
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I'm perfectly fine with abortion as long as you can scientifically define the exact moment on OP's flow chart when we go from sack of cells to a human being. If you can't define that moment then how can you possibly be for abortion. If you are wrong then you are essentially, no, literally are for murder.
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>>720052474
Exactly.
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>>720052477you know we have quantified how many people in the system are exploiters. its less than 2%. government budgets piss 2%. many times republican lead congressional investigations into welfare or food stamps cost more than annual fraud does.
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The existence of this board is the best argument for why abortion should be free and legal. 80% of posters on here should have been aborted.
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>>720046397
2 weeks. But I'm a faggot. What do I know.
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Should be legal honestly until a certain week about 18-20 which I think is the law in the US already not sure about elsewhere. Is it disgusting? Well depends on your religion and such but realistically no because its basically removing a parasite and a fetus is quite literally a parasite.
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>>720052474
>Pro choice does not mean pro-abortion, not at all.

That's fucking retarded. You're fucking retarded.
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>>720052915
in the same respect that prolife in no way means pro life.
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>>720052843
>a fetus is quite literally a parasite.

I can't imagine pretending that I see an unborn human as nothing more than a parasite just to justify my petty political beliefs. Fuck you, seriously. You are gutter trash.
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>>720052750
How the hell would you quantify how many people are exploiting the system? I can pretty much guarantee you it's more than 2%.
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>>720053102

Cool points brew, I guess nothing means anything, and anything means everything. Smoke less you fucking faggot.
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>>720053195
I agree, especially when they took the so called parasite into their own body through ignorant choices.
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>>720053195
its what it is. no justification needed.

you cannot separate a person from personal agency. a human without agency isnt really a person.

same reason we are allowed to terminate vegetables.
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>>720053268
analytical statistics you plebeian
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>>720053299
most pro life voters are in support of the death penalty, dont support public healthcare, dont support welfare and homeless programs, and favor international war and exploitation.

thats not pro-life
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>>720053692
>most pro life voters are in support of the death penalty,

Made of statistic. You are just combining issues for the sake of defining your own beliefs.
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Make drugs legal too. That way all the trash kill themselves at an accelerated rate and have less time to have abortions.
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>>720053857
have you seen the GOP party platform in the last 25 years?
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I dont get why not as long as its not paid by insurance or government. Sure i think women should own up to their mistakes, which is why they should either deliver it or pay a fair ammount of money. Killing a fetus is not worse than killing a mouse.
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I'm NOT pro-choice,
nor am I pro-life,
I'm PRO abortion!
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>>720046397
Better to abort a foetus instead of raising an unwanted child. The world has enough shitty people as is. Yeah It's traumatic for women blablabla who cares. Not as much of a burdening on society.
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you should be allowed to "abort" a child until around 2 years old, that's about as young as you can be without really having a complex understanding of your own mortality, let alone suffering. i don't feel bad for eating a cow as smart as a 2 year old, it's not about species, it's about intelligence
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>>720054286
your resentment for your mother is really showing.
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>>720053195
Pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
Eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)

Gestational diabetes

Placenta previa

Anemia (which can be life-threatening)

Thrombocytopenic purpura

Severe cramping

Diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles

Mitral valve stenosis

Serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)

Hormonal imbalance

Ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)

Hemorrhage and numerous other complications of delivery

Refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease

Severe post-partum depression and psychosis

Aren't all those absolutely LOVELY!? But hey, the fetus does "benefit" the mother! By making her feel like she's dying! Yes! That's the spirit!

I have no issue with people wanting babies, but in my opinion, I can't do it again.
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>>720054726
even if they dont have moral agency, they have personal agency. two is too old and your philosophy is flawed.
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>>720054741
Thats some things women can suffer from luckily enough I didn't
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>>720047895
or you know those who value human life?
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>>720054735
My mom isnt and wasnt ghetto whore trash.
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>>720054854
but do often they really dont, outside of what they vocally proclaim on this issue.
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>>720046397
It should be legal, but frowned upon. If they really want an abortion they'll do it illegally, so you may as well make it legal and safer for everyone involved.

Besides, if the kid is born into a family that doesn't want him he'll probably wish he was aborted anyway
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>>720054741
Then dont, retard.
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>>720054854
>Prevent women from getting abortion
>Shit on her for being a deadbeat single mom
pick one
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>>720055028
Let him make his own decision, not like the child cant commit suicide.
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how about anyone who cares work on setting up universally free birth control for both sexes paid for by everyone?

or do you really not care about people?
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>>720055066
I wont and if I do I'll abort it to make idiots like you cry
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>>720046397
it should be legal up to 24 weeks, after that it should only be applied if the life of the foetus cannot be saved, or if the mother is in mortal danger

Oh and there should be a minimum of 5 days between first visit and abortion

thats how it works here at least
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>>720047258
this
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>>720046397
Kill em. Anyone who says otherwise is a faggot moral cunt.
t. edge lord
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>>720055220
I dont mind, i dont live in the USA, you having an abortion doesnt affect me. I still think abortions shouldnt be covered or funded by the government. Im not poor.
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>>720046829
Planned Parenthood has never used tax dollars for a abortion.
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>>720046940
This is the real question.
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eventually technology is going to invalidate this debate.

unless congress spends another decade slowing down, defunding, and stopping reproductive medical research.
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>>720047050
Planned Parenthood does not use federal funding for abortions.
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>>720046397
For those who think life begins at conception, then tell me this, if, as it's been proven time and again, that alcohol and tobacco use can increase the chances of having a miscarriage, then by very definition, if a pregnant woman has one drink, or smoke one cigarette and has a miscarriage, then she should be charged with child neglect or endangerment or some other form of abuse right? Because she is damaging the life inside?
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>>720055207
I don't care about morons that want to ignore the warning signs of life itself in order to use other people as loveless, baby less, masturbation devices. This goes against the human blueprint and the laws of nature itself.
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>>720055517
Now thats the real issue here, a lot of religous people dont want their tax money going towards abortion, however tax money will go to things such as public education, transportation, military etc. whether you believe in it or not, so the question is where do we draw the line?
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>>720055576
how do you mean
what will make this debate irrelevant
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>>720055697
>>720055528
No but without federal funding they wouldnt have the money for abortions. They would need a lot less money if the abortion money went elsewhere.
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>>720048015
so if they keep it now your tax dollars are raising her kid, which is better?
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>>720055758
ah i see. your personal twisted idea of what is proper sexuality should be applied unilaterally to all human beings. gotcha.

if it was a "law of nature" that sex was for reproduction only, we would not perform sex for other reasons... we would not have the drive sensations we do. it wouldnt have been advantageous. we would fuck like snails. but we dont.

that is the oldest, most tired ass, and just plain fucking wrong trope people use on this subject.
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>>720046940
this
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>>720055802
Abortions arent a necessity, that money could be used for something else.
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I'm pro baby-killing.
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>>720046397
>What do anons think about abortion.

Should be mandatory unless you pass complicated tests that prove you are mature enough to have a child
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>>720047258
these are some good points
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>>720056127
Raising the kid, education benifits more people than abortions. Anyways, a broke whore who can't afford to pay for her kid wont do the same mistake twice unless shes a negro
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>>720047262
kek
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>>720046397
well, IMO it should be
>legal if the fetus can't survive without the mother
>ilegal if can survive outside mother
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>>720046397
Abortion is shameful and is overused by whores. Having doctors kill your baby because you don't want to be responsible for your actions is disgusting and I am glad trump will stop funding planned parenthood and stop forcing christians to pay for abortions.
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>>720056141
No I have common sense and learn from my environment. If I want to rub one out I will. You won't see me acting like a fake as loser and getting woman drunk so I can use them to get off and then say "oh well my lib tard college has it all under control. We have animalistic instincts that drive up to fuck so that we survive. We also have brains so that we don't fuck ourselves to extinction.

You can do whatever you want. I really don't care because people like you have set this world on a path that it can't possibly come back from. 7 billion and counting.
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I think human life is t anything special. Theres really no difference between us and a dog, or a rat. That being said it doesnt matter that you kill a fetus, besides the fact that fetus isnt a person legally.

I also dont like religious nuts telling people what to do. I can use the same logic they do by protesting against not wiping your ass because my god says its a grave sin. Its silly to justify a belief using fairy tales.
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>>720046397
Personally, I would never want anyone I was with to get an abortion unless the kid was going to have medical problems that will basically ruin it's and my life.

As far as I'm concerned though, they should be perfectly legal, affordable, and between a doctor and his/her patient only. If a mother, for any reason wants to abort, go for it. I think the less unwanted kids around the better society is as a whole. Better a pile of literal trash then a moral one society has to take care of.

If anything, I think non medical emergency abortions, the doctors should just remove the entire uterus, save us all the trouble of a future child from some random whore.
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>>720047097
Uh no.
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>>720056571
So the average /b/tard can be aborted.
Now,not while in the womb.
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>>720056213
like... writing single mothers welfare checks for the next 18 yearS?
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>>720047262
put it up for adoption
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>>720056571
I'd further the caveat to include late term abortions if the mother's life is in danger or if it was the result of rape or incest. Also, get rid of those unnecessarily long wait periods and mandated reading materials/mandated ultrasounds/etc. since those simply add costs and pain to everyone involved.
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>>720048179
oy vey, I wonder who's behind this post
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>>720047258
>A fetus can't survive on its own. It is fully dependent on its mother's body, unlike born human beings.
>newborns and toddlers aren't full dependent on their mother's body
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>>720056642
You do realize no federal (or state money to the best of my knowledge) goes to abortion except in cases when the mother's life is in danger correct?
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>>720046397
I'm fairly liberal on most of these kind of issues but abortion is something I find hard to justify

I think anyone who reduces it to an issue of bodily autonomy is missing the point
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>>720056419
oh that sounds good, i'm Canadian and have seen this BS repeat itself over and over, they get on welfare and start a brood thinking they can get more money for every child lulz. stupid vapid cunts go for more gov't support plus now there is child maintenance enforcement. If the father doesn't pay X amount of his earning to the useless whore his wages are garnisheed.
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>>720055837
as technology progresses, options will increase, costs will drop, and ideally we will end up with opt-in pregnancy implants.

as long as we dont try to regulate if someone can opt-in it should be fine morally.

eventually the freely-viable argument for abortion will get weaker as we gain the ability to fully mimic intra-uterus development.

eventually we will have free or nearly free birth control for both males and females. that is implanted and not subject to taking pills on time or having cash for a new one when it runs out.

eventually we will have the option of complete genetic screening and alteration or prevention of deviations outside accepted ranges . so that will be less useful.

basically what im saying is that imo its a non issue.
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Abortion is fine
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Mother can abort it as long as its inside her and t he father can abort it as long as its not self-aware.
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>>720046397
Pro-choice for a very large number of reasons.
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>>720056678
I have been in a monogamous relationship for 12 years with a mutual agreement of non-reproduction.

am i a worthless sinner? should my genitals be removed since there is no point to them other than pleasure?
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>>720046397
I'm all for it, and for what I understand most other countries are as well. I do agree that at a certain time period (5 months) that it does become inhumane. I know that if my wife had a baby at this point in our lives (trying to survive after college with college loans) we'd have no means to care for it, and there's no way I'd ever give it up for adoption. Once you've had the baby, imo you're responsible for it's care. Also, in my profession I know multiple doctors who are older and talk about the "before times" when abortion was illegal and women literally damaged themselves trying to illegally kill their fetuses. They all say "I'd never want it illegal again after what I'd seen." I think that speaks for itself
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>>720047258
There is no medical test or scientific evidence that can tell if a child is going to be born with a "fetal abnormality" until he/she is born
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>>720057010
oh yeah I am sure they are all "life threatening" considering giving birth is always dangerous and has a small chance of killing the mother. Doesn't change that fact that we are subsidizing an aborting clinic. If giving birth was very likely going to kill the mother then health insurance would cover it. That's what it's for.
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>>720057348
Not a sinner just a dumb ass who is going against his or her own natural design. A pleasure seeker like a drug junkie addicted to sex.
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>>720056213
Of course, but in a sense they kind of are because if the woman cant afford to support her children she'd turn to the government for support like WIC, Welfare etc. which would potentially cost tax payers more. Its Planned Parenthood that people have a problem with supporting
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>>720047258
I'd agree with this. And one reason too is the psychological distress on the woman/man. I do think men should be included in this decision though... My wife has bipolar disorder, and we know that she'd have a 70-80% chance of passing it on to a child... after everything she's been through, it's not worth the risk to her life or the baby's quality of life.
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>>720056963
There is a difference between needing to be nurtured, and being a parasite to a host.

Both health and science professionals agree as a majority, life starts at first breath.

When would you define it? Just remember how many miss carriages would now be considered man slaughter and require criminal investigation.
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>>720057356
are you high? is this 1920?
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