22/Canada You guys are going to be 100x better off after he fixes your shit hole of a country. I don't really care what the libtards say either because the only thing that comes out of their mouths is "HUR MULTICULTURLISM" White people have been getting the shit end of the stick for too long
>>720009135 That's like in Canada. Another fucking tax grab. They're beginning to introduce a carbon tax here even though the country is carbon negative. As if they don't already take enough off of my cheque. My income tax alone is more than my rent and vehicle payment combined.
It's the whole election that makes america look bad. First off, on the choice of candidates. Their were no real smart candidates on either side, none of the real issues the world is facing were actually really discussed in-depth during the debate, it was pretty much bickering between two people that clearly said to the voters "you guys are stuck with worse and worse, who are you going to choose?". I'm no democrat, but I think his choice of government is shitty as fuck, and dismissing global warming as a chinese made problem; and puttin a known climate-sceptic at the head of the EPA isn't a strategy that's good for anyone.
I mean, I understand that you have to make good on some promises you give the voters, but I would've hoped that would have been a straw promise since it's such a factual thing, and that's what worries me, the fact he thinks that there are "alternative facts". That's like teaching creationism in class.
>>720007053 croatia, 20sth opportunist, populist, might be better than the establishment types its just saddening to see so many people mobilized to protest him, as if they are fighting some actual vital danger. tells much about human corruption and gullibility. 60mil americans were gullible enough to elect him, 100+million americans are gullible enough to fall for those hitler comparisons americans today it seems cannot fathom what actual state terror is, be it right- or left-wing they didn't have their leaders culling the population at will in croatia it's even sadder. people even celebrate the people that did those things, first the fascists in ww2 and then the communists. but theres another twist: celebrating communist rape of the country is commendable as they got tired of the slaughter at some point and organized quite a nice economy all things considered. thats because they won the war and the croats are fucking pussies and think that its not very smart to talk about the crimes of the victors in fucking 2017. anyways i don't expect any mass curtailing of personal or political rights in the US, protests are just a hip place to be to show you're in one crowd and not the other.
What the fuck guys? You guys voted a fascist-paraphrasing narcissistic idiot into office. This is what democracy was supposed to prevent! How fucking inbred do you have to be to make that kind of judgement? >but muh ironic vote Look, fuck Shillary, but at least you're not breaking the entire world with her. If you really want to change the system, find some other goddamn way instead of just voting for the casual lulz.
Now, Trump has ONE thing going for him. One. He's anti-China. That's a very good thing, as they're glancing over at the civilized world with a real hungry light in their eyes.
Will be good for my country as trump is anti-globalist, so he'll be more interested in trading with the UK post-brexit rather than the EU.
Imo nationalism isn't a bad thing, the globalist project hasn't worked, all it has done is put a burden on western countries to be the world police whilst also bankrolling everyone else and destroying their own culture. Trump putting his own country first is a good thing, personally I hope it encourages more western nationalist movements.
Im pretty weary of him. I think he was the greater of two evils, and i think youre all in for a big surprise. His anti fact and anti science attitudes are terrifying in the 21st century and nationalism rarely lead anywhere good.
But hillary was a cunt too, and liberal tears are hilarious. Im kind of hoping this will get liberals to start talking about real problems, and not motherfucking bathroom rights. Hell maybe even be less entitled and find more realistic battlegrounds. They had it too good for too long.
>>720007053 32, Germany, a lot of people in charge disrespect him and think of him as a puppet. When he is going full retard (twitter obviously doesn't count) they won't follow through. He will damage relations with every other country, but won't be able to cripple your country as hard as you might think
>>720010681 it worked out for a while is what i meant. also major infrastructural projects were completed then with a fraction of what it would cost today, as germans are bribin our politicians to hire german firms for public projects for ridiculous prices and shitty quality. kinda the same thing they did with greece, making them take loan upon loan and they still haven't learned where that road leads. croatia was more economically sovereign then than it is today in many aspects
I didn't vote for either one but out of the two I wanted Donald to win. If for nothing else I want to see what it'll be like to have someone who could finance their own campaign, or more specifically doesn't whore themselves out for campaign money.
Personally I don't understand all the fear. I get that he's a womanizer and an all-around dick but so far as a politician his agenda isn't all that bad. get lobbying out of DC, impose term limits, replace the fucking mess that is the ACA, put America first in negotiations, allow states to legalize marijuana. I think the media grossly played up the more unpopular opinions to help Hillary.
>>720011291 >it worked out for a while is what i meant you werent even born at the time, i dont know what your parents told you or what they teach in school. life was good in the 70s and 80s but it was a catastrophically unsustainable economy
43. UK. I suspect Trump may be insane. He definitely can't string a sentence together, he's probably the most inarticulate political leader the world has ever seen. The United States is fucked and probably the rest of the world along with it.
You chaps have a history of electing incompetent buffoons, so its not the hugest of surprises. It really is baffling how someone that unqualified could really be elected though, s'like employing the milkman as the headmaster, on the basis that he knows most of the mums anyway.
>>720011661 it would be a nice place were it not for the gentlemen from "civilized" countries playing geopolitics the war in croatia, slovenia and bosnia happened not because regular people wanted to shoot each other but because of someones ideas how the borders should look like. bosnia today has 4 times less murders per capita than the us, and another war won't come about as a result of the people's will
I think you were pretty fucked no matter which you picked. Honestly as a nation you should have shunned both front runners and found someone else (but realistically that was never going to happen). You had the choice between a reality TV show host and a shady war monger.
The end game of politics though, the ''big picture'' of global politics is ultimately world peace and cooperation. Going to be taking a large step away from that with Trump, Trump supporters are very much ''us first'' rather than ''lead by example''. He'll be setting a global example of building walls higher instead of tables longer. Might make media-scared Americans feel good/safe/justified in the short term but its a bad leadership example from a rich country at the end of the day.
That said, now that he's in office, we should wait to see what he does before we judge too harshly. Removing all references to climate change from the Whitehouse website within a day is a pretty worrying foreshadowing, though.
>>720007053 as a german i just can't take the hitler comparisons anymore.
does trump call to "not buy from women or blacks" or what? does he advocate for eugenics?
i could keep on going for hours. fuck this shit. post-factual world. we have all information in a small device in our hands, yet there's more bullshit then EEEEEEVERRRR.
sometimes i really want to kms, but then i remember its not my fault and if everytrhing goes to shit i can as well get high on weed and booze. until then i'll try to make the best out of this LITERAL INSANITY.
27 Germany You guys are lucky you got a guy who does not give a fuck about PC language and who has actually worked for a living. A guy who is going citizens first. He stands for people who want to work and support themselves instead of fucking leeches. Does not speaks of blacks as if they're babies as a lot of liberals do. I truly despise Merkel for her out of touch attitude, not knowing what regular 9-5 worker's life looks like- She went to study physics and went into politics... she can seriously go fuck herself. "Hurr durr let's bring in 2million refugees. North African? sure why not." Fucking Cunt!
people SHOULD be paying fucking taxes, if you want to partake in society you need to pay into it. what you should be mad at is disproportionate tax breaks for wealthy people. trust me, if someone has to pay 1 million of their 3 million I THINK a person can manage on 2 million dollars. if you have to pay $10,000 of your $30,000 it's a much tighter budget.
>inb4 get a better job
i'm not talking about me, but there's no way we can pay everyone 3 million. it's ridiculous that we allow rich people to pay less proportionally, regardless of what they "contribute" to the economy
>you can't contribute to the economy if you horde your wealth like a dragon
>>720012963 I agree dude. Everyone is so polarised, hardly anyone has a compromised viewpoint anymore because everyone gets so triggered by a different point of view that they move even further to one side until they're sprouting literal nonsense.
It takes one person to say ''Well actually Trump isn't THAT intolerant'' and someone gets so butthurt that they start shouting ''HE'S HITLER!''.
I swear 99% of the world's problems could be solved if everybody
1) Calmed down 2) Stopped being a dick for the sake of being a dick
Best option on offer. At least that shillcunt Hillary didn't get in. Like the idea of rebuilding Infrastructure instead of starting wars. Like the pro pot agenda. You basically know he's good since mainstream media is making up anything they can to make him look like shit.
>>720012927 you can bitch like this because of white people; fuck off. They earned the top spot through intelligence and violence; they lost it because they're being to nice to pieces of shit like you.
>>720007053 26, America Doesn't really matter who won. Presidents are just mascots. They don't actually run shit. They can push for certain things but ultimately aren't the ones make any of the decisions.
It's cool that gun prices will go down though. And seeing all the college kids cry is pretty funny. So yeah, idk.
plus the guy believes we don't have to worry about global warming because eventually, in thousands and thousands of years, we'll be engulfed by the sun
regardless of how you feel about global warming (because who cares how you "feel" about demonstrable science) that's a pretty asinine view of fucking anything. "well why care about crime/insurance/policy of any kind, eventually we'll all be dead anyway"
>>720007053 >25Years old >Philippines I think he will be a strong leader and will lead america to a new golden age. If they take it too far, it will be bad, but he only has 8 years total, so he cant really go too far.
>>720012720 well of course. the serbs have the inflated numbers from wwii to resent the croats and they are taught that croats are all secretly on some racial purity shit. trhe croats have the last war in which we had a third of our country ethnically cleansed from non-serbs and our own politicians who sucked up so hard to the west that they concocted the story in the early 2000s that we were all for ethnic cleansing too. bosniaks have the bodycount from the last war as they were all staunch yugoslavs and thoroughly unorganized right up to the point when serbs started slaughtering them like cattle. they also resent croats for wanting not to be overpowered by a more numerous ethnic group, as they see it as a plot for greater croatia.
>>720013565 doch, von dem schlag gegen politische korrektheit profitiert die gesamte welt.
und ich werde eher eine AFD wählen und ihnen dort wo sie über die linie treten einhalt gebieten als mich durch vielfache schichten der sozialistischen/grünen/kommunistischen täuschung zu schlagen.
es ist viel einfacher einem rassisten auf zu zeigen wo die rote linie ist als den gesamten rot-rot-grünen block zu redpillen und sich durch das komplette dickicht der täuschung, irreführung, identitätspolitik zu schlagen.
und genau das meine ich mit lass dir eier wachsen.
Every time i hear him say something that makes me nod my head and say "yeah.. i can get behind this.. i see the rationale" he does one of 3 things: 1) Completely shadows it with a policy so assine and irredeemable that I forget any positive. 2) Attempts to execute it in a way that is either idiotic or obviously self-interest based. 3) Has another twitter tantrum/speech comment/cabinet appointee that makes me forget everything positive upon realization that that man controls a nuclear arsenal.
26/USA/Moderately fucked. Our silent guardians in the CIA will keep him from causing any real damage.. not to mention the republicans are just waiting for the right moment to throw him under the bus.
It's because we live in a world where we have all "information" in a small device in our hands. Confirmation bias is allowed to exist where it never could before, because now people can put literally anything up on the internet. If you search for ANYTHING, positive OR negative, about either side of ANY argument, you will find "evidence" and "facts" supporting it.
and people would much rather confirm their own bias than seek the truth unbiased.
30 / Netherlands / Okay. All the Americans should thank the Founding Fathers. For there are laws of impeachment when a populist or somebody who should not be in office, is elected. So the law and constitution must be preserved. That goes for Trump, but that would also work for Hillary if she won. So it's not that bad. The guy has some interesting views, but as long he is holding on to the constitution and the law, he is free to do as he pleases.
And I presume, he is smart enough to do nothing that would impeach him.
i'm white bro lol. and in my opinion violence is not a good way to gain power, and intelligence is subjective. if you go by what's on paper, yeah, the people with the privilege to study the things they want to when they want to obviously outweigh those who have been historically barred from doing the same
>>720013221 bosnia has close to 2mil muslims and they would give their left nut to have any work whatsoever. also they are mostly decent folks, a bit hard-headed and know-it-alls, but have the right conceptions of what the rights and obligations in a civilized world are. of course they flout those notions in practice very often in their home country, but you would too if you lived in such a kleptocratic clusterfuck
>>720013342 Pretty much, it does. Private banks lend the money to our government at an interest. Nothing of value backs the currency. Should we go back to a gold or at least commodity standard, then our currency will at least be worth something. Fiat currency bankrupted the Roman empire, just as it dismantled out pseudo-capitalist system.
Trump didn't increase HIS wealth, he got a "small loan" of a "just a few" million dollars from his dad and multiplied that before jumping ship right before the whole thing collapsed. You're missing a lot of big plot points here. If he treats America the same as his businesses, he's gonna run us into the ground before jumping ship.
>>720013889 >implying there are "silent guardians in the CIA" the CIA is a bureaucratic institute beneath the President and other institutes. they could neither prevent spying other nations. Nor stop Snowden. Where was the CIA in the U.S. in 2001, in Cuba in the 50s, in Tibet in the 40s, in China in the 30s, in Germany in the 30s, or basically anywhere in 2016? What would their aims be?
no, that's not what i said at all. if 2000 is thousands, then more than that is still thousands. i never gave a direct reference point, everything else said is conjecture on your behalf. it was a pleasure watching you try to argue, but i don't appreciate words being put in my mouth.
Peru / 31 Trump is not going to do even half of the things he said he would do, and it will be more of the same than under Obama. At least, unlike Hillary, he showed himself as the prepotent guy he is. In fact Hillary would have applied exactly the same policies as him (which she denied she would do) but with that disgusting smile on her face, and then media and sjws would have been tolerant with her cos "she is our first lady president"
You are definitely fucked. We are too by proxy. Not because of trump being trump, his shit is ultimately meaningless, the guy is just a tosser in general and even his fans know it, they revel in it - No, what is fucked is the power this site has been able to exert on the real, actual world.
Trump is nothing, him being president-elect is just a mere symptom of a far, far more devastating illness.
>>720015482 Either way you don't realize racism as it's practiced now only became a thing when we started to harvest sugar. Before that nationalism was about as far as it would go. You'd sound very eloquent, if it weren't for the fact you've only said bunk.
>>720015282 No. Having an arbitrary wage cap is the type of pseudo-capitalist bullshit that doesn't belong anywhere in the U.S. also, should Congress remove private banks out of the lending system, the treasury itself would benefit from ALL interest paid on ALL loans made. We're talking trillions. More than enough to do away with income and sales taxes. Hell, personal income taxes aren't even a legal form of taxation; learn its history.
>>720015767 Slavery wasn't based on race, and it was more of a house maid thing as opposed to a work you to death thing. There is no evidence to support Jews being ensalved in Egypt expect for the Bible. I'm getting tired of giving you history lessons.
If you're not going to cap a wage you have to get some of that money back into circulation otherwise we end up in the stagnation we have now. So if you're anti-wage gap, you better be pro-taxes or we're going to end up in the same choke we've been in for a while.
>personal income taxes aren't even a legal form of taxation
Are you arguing that the 16th amendment wasn't properly ratified? Even though nothing has even come from those claims? Or are you strictly talking about splitting hairs on the vocabulary used? Sounds to me like you just don't want to pay taxes.
Again, how? How is it theft? You need to support your claims with at least some sort of thought behind them. Life SHOULD be like math class; it's not enough to have an answer, you have to show your work.
>>720015019 I'll give you that I'm oversimplifying, but those donations are (relatively) a drop compared to his own money + individual contributions. Hillary got 10 to 25 million alone from Saudi Arabia.
Then the lesson learned for everyone is that it's really easy to omit truthful things that detract from our point, and those who read it without context will believe it to be completely true. It's ok to have a point or opinion, it's not ok to assert it's the only correct one without all of the information.
29, finland 1. he's not a king but a mere president (what an amazing joffrey his autistic son would make tho) 2. he has advisors who are sure to have a big impact on his behavior 3. i think the environment is going to have to take a few blows 4. would be fun if he'd bankrupt USA
Why is there no legitimacy to government? Because you didn't personally set it up?
I've never been threatened with violence, but I do enjoy the roads and convention centers and other buildings and services the government has provided, and I believe I should pay into that to continue to maintain and build similar things for the future generations of our planet.
26, Netherlands, we're fucked in the sense that he legitimizes willful ignorance on every single topic. Leadership positions need to be filled with people who have knowledge of the subjects they'll be making decisions in.
His election is a validation of the fact that most people don't care about substantiation of arguments or honesty. The wave of populism he's going to instigate with Farage, le Pen, Wilders etc. is by definition regressive. Idiocracy is as bad as SJW totalitarianism. They're both real life applications of Orwell's 1984, as regurgitated as that comparison is nowadays.
>>720015758 I don't want to pay income tax. You talk about putting money back into system, what better way than to let people keep their earned monies? I also don't agree with most of gubernatorial spending, I therefore don't want to contribute to it. I'll be OK with contributing once the lending system is out of private hands and we implement a truly free market and not this socialist, demented hybrid we currently have.
>>720016677 ma prdonjo prdiš jer se tak sam sebi utvaraš pametnijim. najozbiljnije, na tom ko fol divljem balkanu je svijet kultiviraniji nego u ko zna kakim dembelijama. a tebi je sve crno jer ti mediji kažu da je sve crno i svi đubrad. lakše čovjek sam sasobom živi ako je do drugih
>>720016146 Russia will do whatever it wants and continue its nationalist expansion whether or not you temporarily appease the ruling oligarchy. Appeasement doesn't work when dealing with neo-imperialist fascist bully states. See: History
>>720007053 Mexico. 27. He's a dumb, borderline incompetent, billionaire egomaniac who's going to use his position of power for things to go his way disregarding all his campaign promises. Also, he's much better than Hillary. If you were to compare them; Trump is like eating a jar of worms; but Hillary is like shooting yourself in the head.
>>720017140 Roads existed before the Roman empire, bud. There's no legitimacy to government because everyone has the same rights, it's not like some people are better and get to make laws/kill people with no consequences. And jail time, harassment, etc. are all forms of violence.
23/US I don't really like who he is as a person. As a leader, I think he has the potential to do great things, but right now he's just trying to attack poor people and make SJWs mad.
I want to see some decent relations with Russia. I want to see a reasonable healthcare standard besides the ACA put into place. I'd like there to be a bit more emphasis on the socioeconomic problems in America. Not to the point where we turn isolationist, but enough that we get more emphasis on our problems at home.
What I don't want to see is a shit-ton of tax breaks for corporations, even more decline in our education system, and our environment getting the shaft in favor of conserving cash, or Trump deciding to go full retard and insult other diplomatic leaders.
Did I want Trump? No. Did I want Hillary? Also no. But we have to make due with what we have. I really wish people would focus less on who the president is, and more on who we're voting into congress.
Simply put, Stealing is taking someones property ( in this case money) without their permission or legal right without intending to return it.
Well they certainly don't have my permission to take my money, but maybe the have the 'legal right'.
Well what gives them the legal right to take my money, because they said so?
This gets to the very question of the legitimacy of the state and it's laws.
If the state is legitimate then it has authority, authority is the RIGHT to make decisions on behalf of others, and enforce those decisions (using violence if necessary**).
Where did it get this RIGHT to make decisions on my behalf, certainly not from me, I did not consent to the constitution. I did not sign it or have any say in the matter.
What makes taxes functionally different from a protection racket ran by a mafia or a gang? Pay up or get beat. Some may say legitimacy but that is simply begging the question. Assuming the conclusion you seek to prove. Some may say that the government provides a service but so did the mafia to the stores it extorted for money. It was in the mafia's interest, just as it is in the government's interest to ensure that the people they are extorting for money remain profitable. The mafia provided protection services to stores, vandals and robbers who hit mafia protected stores were severely punished.
I think Hillary is a horrible war-monger sociopath, Trump is the lesser bad option. I also think that everyone cries too much about the fact that sometimes the "other group" wins an election. It's not the end of the world, no leader can satisfy all people in a country, they also don't "rule" forever. After all they are just fucking politicians who tell you what you want to hear. It also seems to me that you guys have some good counter-balancing methods built into your political system so I'm pretty sure one person couldn't fuck everything up anyway.
I'm fucking sick of the teary eyed youngsters on both sides, right aligned ones think Trump is the fucking saviour and lefties act like the apocalypse is nigh.
I think Trump is kind of a goofball retard, but who the fuck cares. I also think the lefties fucked up good with their echo chamber media. I'm glad it's crumbling. Kinda pissed about the non-stop trump whining in my local news sources. It's always shit like this: "Trump farted a bit loud in 2012 therefore russian spies!"
>>720017834 >countinued.... Then there is the matter of how taxes are collected. Simply put they are collected with threats of violence. If you "owe" the government money and you refuse to pay they will come and take your belongings against your will and sell them at auction, if you try to defend your stuff they will arrest you, if you resist they will beat you, if you defend yourself they will kill you. If you belongings do not cover the 'debt' you owe them they very well may take you to prison. Again, if you resist or try to defend yourself you will quickly die. Every law amounts to a death threat because every law is enforced by threats of force, and the government escalates force until it wins.
>>720007053 I don't buy that he actually expected to be president. I think it was mostly just a joke to him until it just kept getting more and more out of hand. Everyday he said something more ridiculous than what he said the day before, but people just kept rallying behind him no matter what he did until eventually he was elected. I think even he was surprised to a degree. Now he's stuck with all that responsibility.
>>720017847 there were private road companies in the united states before the government started building roads.
They went out of business because the government, who had a monopoly on courts, refused to enforce trespassing laws on people who used the roads without payment. They cited "free movement" funny how that same logic doesnt work when using their roads. If you are not licenced to use their roads and do so anyways, they put you in a cage.
>>720017351 hvala ti da mi kazes da sam prdo dalje, zast si od jednom promjenio lijezik? keep on talking in english it's even worse the you think, heck, the media shows it but if you have proven counter-arguments i might reconsider my opinion
the common american doesn't have a fucking clue what a nazi, a fascist, a marxist actually mean, that's why they tend to throw these words around so easily. It is also the reason why can they fall for their methods/ideology so easily. Sjws for example are clearly marxist fucks.
You live in a country which was pretty close both to the third reich and to the soviet union so the people there know their shit.
>>720018106 You need a license to drive a car, you can still ride a bike or walk on those roads. You also benefit from trucks being able to more cheaply transport goods in the form of lower prices on said goods. Same applies to any service which needs to use roads. They are too basic to be privately owned.
>>720017140 You are threatened with violence, every law is a threat. Do X or be punished. Refrain from Y or be punished. And as I explained in >>720017906 these punishments, if resisted, always lead to violence.
Also just because YOU think taxes are worth 'muh roads' doesn't mean that others do. Also why do we need government to have roads? The government doesnt grow food in my country, and yet I don't starve. I pay for my food, I have many choices in what I buy and from who, nobody threatens me. And yet for roads for some reason we need monopoly and violence?
>>720017397 1. you are implying the oligarchic system in russia is bad altough the american one might be even worse 2. furthermore you imply that russia is bad by expansioning to territory that might be their depending on definitions, while the expansion of the us is, again, worse 3. you use just like many others history to predict the future of current events wirh similar patern, but, BUT the historic events can't be compared to nowadays because except from a small similar pattern, EVERYTHING else is different, so the outcome too
24/male/usa. doesn't matter really, it's more important to know how to live your life and accept that some things like political parties in control are out of your control (and very likely in the direct control of the banks) so why bother getting so beat up about it? i would rather just go work out or learn a new language tbh
>>720018424 >just because YOU think taxes are worth 'muh roads' doesn't mean that others do. The vast mayority does belive that. Anarchists are such a fringe minority that you are neglectable. And guess what? You don't live in a one-man society. The threat of violence is there as a representation of the people's sovreignty over their nation's land. As in "If you don't pay taxes you're fucking us over and we're not having that you anarchist fuck"
>His election is a validation of the fact that most people don't care about substantiation of arguments or honesty. The wave of populism he's going to instigate with Farage, le Pen, Wilders etc. is by definition regressive. Idiocracy is as bad as SJW totalitarianism. They're both real life applications of Orwell's 1984, as regurgitated as that comparison is nowadays.
His election is proof that the anti-SJW movement is now. You can't really blame him for being himself, he is still just a citizen and the system should be able to handle him - it only wasn't because he found the exact timing at which the media had decided "the ends justify the means" when it comes to pushing progressivism. I mean if you want to talk about willful ignorance because of our media our people went from voting for the underdog believing he could never win to watching him win in a single day, we were lied to so ardently almost nobody knew it can or would happen until it did happen.
Liberals should know if they embrace SJW and become corrupt they're handing power to the conservatives. This is why SJW have to be crushed worldwide, they're a danger to actual racial, cultural, social cohesion. We can't move into the future until the SJW and their disgusting racist theorycraft are absolutely gone, not with anything. For instance my friend just told me about his job...
>Last night, I caught him stopping the worker assigned to clean the restrooms and hearing him say he wanted me to do it
This is what an SJW will do in the life of an average white person, some big stuff, but also every day little shit like this to wear you down.
>"The white guy should clean the bathroom since white guys are shit"
Open violence against these people is probably forthcoming I am sorry to say.
>>720018718 No, you should move if you don't want to live in a society that doesn't want to work the way you want it to. There are places within the US where you can live in anarchism, but you won't go there because you like living the comfy statist life.
>>720018404 But they were privately owned in the past. Also how does it make sense that they are TOO BASIC to be privately owned?
Also I don't BENEFIT from the roads. I am FORCED to pay for them. Gas excise taxes are absurdly high, the government profits more from the excise taxes than the oil companies profit from the actual oil they have to go find, drill out of the ground, ship, refine, ship again, advertise, and supply to you at a local gas station that is manned with full time 24/7 staff.
>>720018481 All land is claimed by a government somewhere.
>>720018609 I made an argument, I didnt say I simply dont like it.
Also saying that people made the rules assumes they had the right to make the rules. What gave these people such a right? Thats what we're debating here. You snuck your conclusion into your assumptions.
Also check out this short book about why the constitution of the united states has no authority.
Are you a nihilist now? You keep missing the part where you are operating within a society that is more than just you. You're selfish and you're using the argument of illegitimacy to retain what you have while accepting the things that are provided for you. You're just as bad as the people who abuse government programs.
>>720018699 Truth, reason, logic, is not democratic as much as you would like it to be.
What gives you the right to use violence to force your ideas on others? what gives the state this right?
Also atomistic individual fallacy laughably bad argument. Just because I dont want to be violently ruled over, does not mean I want to be a hermit, a one person island, a one man society. In fact I am suggesting that we organize society along lines of voluntary interactions, which is clearly not the same as wanting to be a one man society.
Also how did "the people" get sovereignty over "their nation's" land?
35/ Ger I think giving power "back" to the people is a bad idea. It has the right feels to it but effectively no one actually cares about anything other than telling the politicians how wrong they are very much like football viewers
>>720018139 nisi odande jer neznaš jezik. statistike za homicide per capita moš googlat, sad bi sve na tacni a? a mediji niš ne pokazuju nego instruiraju i manipuliraju. mediji pokazuju ekscese i predstavljaju ih ko pravilo da bi tupani poput tebe mogli reć ju vidiš kako je tu sranje zašto lažeš, i to post do posta?
>>720019117 "society" does not exist. Only the individual thinks. Only the individual reasons. Only the individual acts.
Society is an abstraction.
What gives any one of those individuals the right to make decisions on my behalf? If not one why two or three? if not two or three why 51% of voters?
You say that it's selfish for someone to 'accept' the things provided for you but to think that the system that provided them is illegitimate. When we had slavery, did the fact that the slaves had clothes and food and shelter legitimize the slavery? If the slaves accepted these things, did it legitimize it? Of course not.
Also yes, I am a nihilist. Thats not an argument though.
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