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>A plane so flimsy the wings were ripped off by lightpoles

The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

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>A plane so flimsy the wings were ripped off by lightpoles proceeded to slam through three rings of strike hardened steel and concrete all while not being caught on a single video camera in one of the most surveilled buildings in the world.

This is what retards believe
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>>720003254
security camera refresh rates wouldn't be quick enough to clear catch an object going over 300 knots.

it's basic math you dumbass.
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>>720003254
Video exists but is classified, because its one of the most secured buildings in the world.

Look at any major pplane crash, wings are destroyed and the fuselage is intact.
Wings are just fuel tanks, mostly empty space.

Engines are giant hardened slugs.
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>>720003476
>Engines are giant hardened slugs.

>The engines of a jet are in the wings
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>>720003476

Apparently those giant hardened slugs vaporized into thin air as well, while only the fuselage itself punched a neat, round hole through impossibly hard walls. After which it vaporized with nary a trace as well.
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>>720003937
engines do not equal wings. a wings primary function is the generate lift.
it's primary structure would be 1 or more spar with everything else being mainly formers
if engine are mounted to the spars, then the load required on the spar(s) is changed.

for more information seek your local library.
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>>720004156
>engines do not equal wings.

>The wings were ripped off before it ever touched the building
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>>720003960
It was the landing gear that made it through the walls. Landing gear is hard as fuck
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cFewUG3rSY

It's been leaked for a while

Around 1:53.

The pentagon is 71' tall. Yep, that sure looks like a 44' tall jet to me...
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Yeah we all know some fucked up shit happened here. Not fucking dumb mate. The reason nothing got done about it is because you're all docile fuckin sheep.
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>>720003960
the engines are likely to be shattered too. engines can normally take a few birds, not a concrete structure.
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>>720003254
>a conspiracy so vast that literally thousands of people would have to be in on it.

This is what retards believe.
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>>720004222
regardless of wings being torn off, engine (due to mass) would likely continue in the path of travel.

for more information seek your physics teacher.
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>>720004715
>Not knowing that over a quarter million people were in on the Manhattan project while fewer than 50 actually knew what the fuck was going on.

>>720004727
A 757 going full speed in mid-air couldn't make its way through a mostly void skyscraper. To fly a few feet off the ground without skipping and tearing itself apart, they would have to drop the speed to next to nothing
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>>720003254
Saudi Arabia did it op, they are pissed about private business from the west coming into SA and taking back their petrodollars. So they took out the main symbols of the petrodollar and its defence. Wahabbism man.
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Who cares ?
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>>720004715

I think the main problem is that at this point 9/11 has become as integral part of republican worldview as the birth of Jesus. Whatever logical inconsistencies and proof against it there might be, the alternative to believing it would be so unthinkable that it's better to declare even suggesting otherwise a heresy.
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>>720004915
>not realising all of the participants of the manhatten project pieced together their involvement after the fact.

>As did all those involved in decoding enigma.

But none of the people involved in 911 have done so?
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truthers are both democrats and republicans

they're both equally stupid
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>>720005353
>But none of the people involved in 911 have done so?
Perhaps those that were involved have been quietly "retired".
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>>720005353

Like >>720005287 points out, people are willing to believe what they want to believe. Even more so when it would mean that they themselves were part of something horrible.

Also this >>720005830
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>>720003254
Dont forget a third World Trade Tower fell THAT WASNT EVEN HIT BY ANYTHING
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>>720005394
not quite as stupid as people that think 12 arabs in a cave breached a multi-billion dollar security apparatus, overpowering the might of the airforce, the combat trained pilots on board the planes, as well as our cybersecurity provisions
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>>720005090
sort of wrong. Thing is, people only can accept the truth if there is an arab face behind it pulling the strings. Arabs are too stupid to do shit like this on their own

As we have learned time and time again there was HUGE Saudi involvement, and a EVEN BIGGER effort to keep that under wraps by our own government? Why? Because they were in on it and needed an excuse to terraform the middle east
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>>720005830

Industrial scale murder of hundreds of civil servants. And we're the retards?

Or maybe, just maybe, 9/11 was perpetrated by a bunch of pissed off muslims as per the official narrative.
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>>720006253
but they could if they bought the 5million dollar a month zero day exploit subscription
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>>720006446
osama bin laden said his greatest blunder was targeting civilians.... duh did you notice how nobody gave a shit about the uss cole?
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>>720006083
I don't think >>720005287 was agreeing with you there Cletus.
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>>720006446
>>720006446

>9/11 was perpetrated by a bunch of pissed off muslims as per the official narrative.

naaa. they aint smart enough to do that
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>>720006253
>multi million dollar security apparatus
>unlocked cockpit doors and access to knives

Pick one.

People forget that 9/11 couldn't happen today precisely because of the security put in place as a result of 9/11.
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>>720006852
lol bombs exploding a building from the inside can most certainly be done
because thats exactly what happened
fucking idiot
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>>720006392
Uhhhh, did you miss the part about the west, you know, THE OTHER ACTOR THAT I MENTIONED YOU KNOW, WHERE TGE ARABS GOT THE MONEY AND WEAPONS IN THE FIRST PLACE
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>>720004915
negative.
speed relative to altitude is true airspeed, while closer to indicated at sea level, it would still be traveling in excess of 350 knots.

damnit dude, math.
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muslims would never hijack planes and use them to suicide bomb buildings in a first world country. if they would, how come they've never done anything like this since then?
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at least some of those thousands of people were women. you think they could keep shit secret?
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>>720006852
Right.

That's why that report came out about the great and vigilant TSA faking up and missing a large amount of fake guns and bombs and shit when they got randomly tested...

Pic related
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>>720007121
or before then
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>>720005287
>>720006083

This. Shoving evidence to their faces is just fighting against windmills when they simply choose not to believe it. It's something I learned a long time ago, and which I found completely depressing about even trying to argue.

Here's an old flash about the pentagon strike. It's been blamed for everything from music choises to graphics, but no one one has yet to actually adress the information itself: http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm
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>>720007121
TSA
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>>720006852
It wouldn't happen today because the Saudies have been passified with more western money and control of the market despite scaled up western production
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>>720007207
Jesus I'm a moron
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>>720007232
See
>>720007207
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>>720003476
Know what else is mostly empty space? The rest of the fucking airplane. And we're told that managed to punch through 3 layers of the building..
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>>720007318
i think you missed the joke you fucking autist
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>>720003476
>hardend slugs
Completly destroyed by birds.
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Everyone seems to forget the massive fear campaign that the government put on after 9/11. Anyone remember those "anthrax" parcels that were being posted for a few months, then suddenly stopped forever after we went to war. Funny that since nobody was caught, you'd think the perpetrators would expand their operations for, you know, jihad?? The whole thing stank from start to finish
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>>720006852
>pick one

what the fuck are you talking about? The US ALWAYS had a multi-billion dollar security apparatus that goes beyond the cockpit door you fucking idiot

Think Radar, for example

Is this seriously the best argument you have?
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>>720007221
>chooses one unexplained aspect of one frame of one video as evidence of a vast conspiracy.
>dismisses the huge swathes of images, data and testimony contradicting his conspiritard viewpoint

And we're the ones ignoring evidence. Good job retard.
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>>720007121
Neither would white people! just look at all the countries they dont invade, all the bombs they dont drop,

And Christians would never hurt a fly, which is why all of S America converted to christianity. It definetly didnt involve murdering and raping everyone int eh land into submission


Its almost as if the world is full of assholes, and being born or pracitcing a religion is irrelevant

Or youc an keep living in a false binary reality where if you arent black you are white and there are no shades of grey. Whatever helps you sleep at night, dont want you late for middle school
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>>720007121
Only muslims could do such a thing
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>>720006635

Nope, that was exactly what I meant. Cognitive dissonance.

>>720007824

One frame of one video? Did you just ignore the entire rest of the video to criticize that? Did you even ignore why those are the only frames we even have in the first place?
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>>720007780
>magic radar can stop a hijacking.

This is what retards believe.
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>>720007990
Your whole post is ass-backwards. If you aren't white, you're black.
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>>720008181
Good job ignoring the irony of a conspiritard using cognitive dissonance as an argument for a vast conspiracy.
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>>720008193
wow, its almost as if a Radar can tell when a plane is going off course, especially when it does a complete loop and starts heading to a complete different location. And its almost as if we have a whole air force capable of intercepting


So how is being autistic? Judging by talking to you, it doesnt seem that cool.

Seriously though, you are pathetic
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>>720008356

What do you mean by that?
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>>720003476
Is the video classified because it shows a missile, not an airplane?
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>>720008193
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>>720008193
If radar is so ineffective then how come nations don't just go and sneak attack each other since the technological deterrent doesn't work?
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Aerospace engineer here

Not saying it's not a conspiracy, but there is a tremendous amount of energy in a high-speed impact such as this. Seems to me that comparing the strength and hardness of the materials involved is a bit naive. When dealing with extreme and complicated cases such as this, only a complete ballistic analysis could possibly answer what would happen. I'm sure a terminal ballistics or exlosives expert could answer better what happens when a shockwave ripples through brittle material such as concrete and tensile material such as aviation aluminium alloy.
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>>720008438
they did scramble planes, they just weren't close enough. before 9/11 there were only a few bases with fighter jets on alert.
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>>720003476
it exists, and is hidden because it would expose another layer of lies

Thats like not showing us any footage of Pearl Harbor because its a secure base.
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>>720008438
>dozens of planes on a radar screen and only 30 minutes from hijack to impact
>magic radar can read intentions and issue orders to shoot down civilian aircraft
Good job magic radar you saved the day again.

You seem angry. Off the meds again?
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>>720008707
I am under the impression most of our airforce was deployed ot the other side fo the country to practice "war games" on 9/11

Most likely used as a cover to cripple our airforce and let the attacks happen
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>>720009121
>Only 30 minutes from hijack to impact

bullshit

>magic radar can read intentions and issue orders to shoot down civilian aircraft

woah, its almost as if pilots have a way of staying in communication with the Control Tower. Something like walkie talkies and radio communication.... like woaaaah dude


Holy shit, i actually feel dumber every time i lower my intelligence to explain how the world works to an apparent 5 year old
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>>720008707
Dick Cheney literally said no to scrambling the jets.
You fucking retard. It took ages for them to actually go.
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>>720009151
not true. even with regular exercises at nellis, there are still squadrons at the fighter bases.
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>>720008489
I suppose if you were capable of reading basic sentence structure you wouldn't be a conspiracy theorist.

You can't seriously think the excellent logic in >>720005287 supports 9/11 conspiracy theories.
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>>720009121
I can see your next excuse

>well how will the control tower know that they have actually been hijacked and the pilots arent playing a prank without setting up constant visual communication and people shouting into the radio "WE ARE TERRORISTS"
>radars are so useless, like why do we even havvve them
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>>720009337
before the 9.11, it wasn't policy to immediately scramble to intercept.
cheney made the right call until the facts became clear that this was a terrorist event and not an airplane in distress.

an airplane going lost comm and turning back is unusual, but before 9.11 not suspicious.
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>>720008707
Dick Cheyne veto'd that to my understanding
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>>720009387
you suppose wrong and sound stupid
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>>720009387

I was looking forward to seeing some kind of explanation on how you thought the consiparcy theorists had cognitive dissonance. Luckily I was prepared for it being just another case of meaningless name calling so I wasn't technically disappointed either.
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>>720009605
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>>720009324
You seem to be getting angrier. Maybe you should leave being a retard on the internet for another day?

See >>720009337

In a world largely at peace on a normal morning, it's going to take a bold commander to order the shooting down of a civilian aircraft. And they had 30 minutes for flight 11.
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>>720009649
but dude, only idiots listen to conspiracies. Smart people just listen to whatever lie is coming out a politicians mouth

Bush said Iraq had WMD's so i know its true

Regan had no knowledge of importing narcotics into the US. He said so... even though he said he did afterwards

You are suuch a conspiracy theorist. Tinfoil anyone? Me and this guy >>720009387
have some smart people stuff to go do know, like watching paint dry
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>>720009836
i should leave the internet retard alone for a day, but talking to you is to entertaining and i am bored

Want to go on about how Radars are useless more, (while pretending to know anything about the airforce)
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>>720009836
>i have been proven wrong and sound like an autist. Ill hurl a name than try changing a subject to my made up "30 minutes" which i have 0 sources to verify
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>>720009649
Refuting the central point of conspiracy theorists doesn't work because they are prepared to believe anything. That's the point about cognitive dissonance that seems to have passed you by.
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>>720009836

Context of '1990-2001: NORAD Regularly Launches Fighters to Intercept Suspicious Aircraft before 9/11' http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a90regularscrambles

It seems painfully obvious that you're just pulling everything out of your ass as you go.
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>>720003254
the wings of a plane would definitely get ripped off by lightpoles
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>>720010210
>Refuting the central point of conspiracy theorists doesn't work because they are prepared to believe anything

sure as hell dont believe that bullshit. Seems like you believe bullshit more often
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>>720010311
b-b-b-b-but 30 minutes. That number sounds right to me so itt hassss to be


Jokes aside, the autist you were talking to was disputing the use of Radars, essentially saying they have no use.

Its most likely a guy that believes jesus road dinosaurs
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>>720010037
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_11

Hijacked 8:13 crashes 8:46
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>>720003937

Engine's are mounted on pylons which connect to the wings, pylons are the strongest part of an airplane but they will rip off the wings easy, thats why most of the times you find the engine WITH the pylon or the pylon and thrust reversers together while the engines rips out (only like 6 titanium bolts hold it on to the pylon)

> I'm an aircraft technician.
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>>720010311
And how many were shot down? And how many had entirely innocent explanations?

They just didn't have the time (30 minutes in the case of flight 11) to make a decision.

Are you angry because no one believes your retarded theories or because you secretly know they are retarded but you're in too deep?
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>>720010210

Right, so at what point were you refuting a central point of the theory? And could you at least try to tone down the ad hominems as they're making it hard to see when you're actually trying to say something intelligent.
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>>720010893

>And how many were shot down? And how many had entirely innocent explanations?

Irrelevant to the fact that on that day no aircraft was even scrambled in the first place.

>They just didn't have the time (30 minutes in the case of flight 11) to make a decision.

They couldn't because they weren't even in the air. Because of a direct order from vice president Dick Cheney himself, who never before had anything to do with any aircraft scrambling whatsoever.

>Are you angry because no one believes your retarded theories or because you secretly know they are retarded but you're in too deep?

No, I'm sad that some people are afraid to accept unpleasant truths so they choose to believe comforting lies instead. Out of curiosity, what would you do if 9/11 turned out to be an inside job? How would that change your worldview? How would you deal with it?
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Let's presume that it's all a massive conspiracy and the U.S. government DID in fact attack the Pentagon and destroyed the WTC killing thousands of its own citizens in the process.

To what end? Legitimizing future wars, the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq?

The U.S. previously hadn't exactly been a wallflower when it came to dealing with countries it considered to be its enemy, so why the massive conspiracy to legitimize it? Surely there was an easier way.

Then weigh this against the risk of the 'plot' being discovered and the subsequent consequences, when the people find out that their own government had just murdered thousands of their fellow citizens. At the very least collapse of U.S. political institutions, followed by extreme civil unrest, even a coup or civil war.

I just don't buy it. The risk versus the reward doesn't add up.
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>>720011595
So are you the "30 minutes lol retard" guy asking for evidence, getting it and then changing the thrust of your argument?

I would be amazed. All the evidence to the contrary, all the refutations of all of the evidence for a conspiracy and yet it turns out to be true. All it takes is some solid evidence. You don't have it. Occam's razor applies.
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>>720011724

False flag operations have been done throughout the history as a means to get populations to support war. There's even the now declassified Operation Northwoods, a plan made for performing a real terrorist attack on american soil to gain support for an attack on Cuba. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
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>>720011595
What would you do if you ever realised your retarded theory was bullshit?

I think I have a healthy mistrust of politicians. They tend to get found out sooner rather than later. That's why we have free press.

Until trump.
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>>720011595
What would you do if you ever realised your retarded theory was bullshit?

I think I have a healthy mistrust of politicians. They tend to get found out sooner rather than later. That's why we have free press.

Until trump. >>720011866
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>>720011866

No, I wasn't that guy. I just found it highly suspicious that on that specific day Dick Cheney personally ordered that the normal scrambling routine won't be done and the planes would be allowed to fly to their destinations.

The "What would you do" question still stands. You didn't answer what you would do IF you found irrefutable evidence of the attack being an inside job.
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>>720012636
I believed Saddam had WMDs. As it unfolded that it was bullshit I got angry with bush and Blair for lying to us. I never voted bush anyway but I held him responsible for it.

I think I would be justifiably angry with all those involved.

What would you do if it turned out we're all being controlled by lizards as David Icke suggests? Because that's how retarded the theory you're pushing is.
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>>720012342

>What would you do if you ever realised your retarded theory was bullshit?

I'd be delighted! The free world would be led by relatively good guys, the evil terrorists would be just some cave dwellers without US support, and the world would be a better place with a benevolent world police to protect us from the bad guys. It's such a happy worldview that I would definitely be happier if I could believe in it.
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>>720012121
Comparing an operation at the height of the Cold War that was never approved let alone acted on to the state murder of nearly 3,000 people is the most retarded thing in this thread.

And it contains magic radar guy.
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>>720013344
I believe you. You seem otherwise reasonable. Why do you let such obvious nonsense affect you? There are countless refutations to conspiracy theories out there. Go read them with an open mind.
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>>720013449

This video clip describes Paul Wolfowitz's involvement in shaping the U.S. Neoconservative foreign policy implemented after the attacks of September 11, 2001, including his role in the creation of the PNAC document ”Rebuilding America's Defenses” during the year 2000 which suggested a need for a ”catastrophic and catalyzing event— like a new Pearl Harbor.” http://www.newsofinterest.tv/video_pages_flash/politics/misc_neocon_globalist/wolfowitz_pnac_nph.php
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>>720003960
>nary a trace as well.


quit lying.

plenty of pane debris ws found...landing gear, fuselage, flight recorder...oh..and all the passengers tooo

but other than that I am sure it was all fake:

http://www.911myths.com/index.php?title=Pentagon_evidence
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>>720003254
It's not necessary to believe things that are facts but that's your own issue.
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>most engineers don't dispute the story because they understand how things work and are built. They understand how buildings are built, understand how planes are built, and general understand that we reduce materials and decrease safety factor because this is not 2,000 BC and we have limited resources.

>potheads on the Internet understand the whole story, because they aren't sheeple

>100 dumb as shit engineers disagree with the official story.

>paranoid potheads feel justified because 1% of the scientific community is stoned and paranoid, too.

I understand that the government has and does do some underhanded shit, but the scope and involvement needed to pull something like this off is enormous. Seriously, you would need tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people to be "in on it". How can the number of people who are involved outnumber the number of people on the conspiracy side. How can the remaining 98% be oblivious. It's fucking absurd.
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>>720013593

Because there's too much undeniable evidence for it, and too little and too illogical evidence against it. The pancake theory didn't make sense and even the government no longer promotes it as the truth, the incredible insurances of the WTC towers before the attacks, WTC 7 collapsing without any plane hitting it in a classic controlled demolition after firemen walked out of it saying "we're going to pull it"... Meanwhile the evidence against the inside job is so bad that it's only enough for a lazy excuse to keep up the patriotism.
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>>720013928

Newsofinterest.tv sure seems legit. Trump approved news outlets will be really happy with the past few days. Who gives a shit if it's true? If it's not we can say it's alternative truth!
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>>720014618

>I understand that the government has and does do some underhanded shit, but the scope and involvement needed to pull something like this off is enormous.

Remember that this is the same government that spends more on military than the rest of the world combined. The amount of americans killed in the war outnumbered the amount of americans killed in the terrorists attacks within years from the start of the war, so don't think the military industrial complex cares about a few lives when war literally is their business.

>How can the remaining 98% be oblivious

see >>720006083
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>>720014764
>undeniable evidence

such as ?

>>720014764

>the incredible insurances of the WTC towers before the attacks

It had been attacked before...why WOULDNT it have insurance. If YOU owned the building - you would have insured it...Moroever, Larry LOST money after 15yrs..

Nonetheless- that is not "evidence"

>>720014764
>WTC 7 collapsing without any plane hitting it in a classic controlled demolition

It was damaged by the collapse of WTC1 and caught fire and after 8hrs collapsed...jst like the building in Iran last week...

and it wasnt a "classic" CD because there were no corresponding explosion ringing the perimeter of the building like EVERY classic CD. Silent explosives?

The "pull it" comment was referring to pulling all resources out of the building and cease firefighting efforts...

semantics is not "evidence"
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>>720011595

>No, I'm sad that some people are afraid to accept unpleasant truths so they choose to believe comforting lies instead.

The irony must be lost on you. As a person who can't accept that terrible people can do unexpected terrible things. That is must be a controlled item, in the hands of the few; intentional and planned. That you are one of only a handful of people who can see through the lies. Do you really not see the irony, that you have bought into and created delusions that oppose what most of the educated science and engineering community accepts. That you chose to believe the blathering of a few men who are desperate for views on their monatized conspiracy sites over an overwhelming majority of engineers, materials experts, and eye witnesses.
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>>720014764
There you go again. Undeniable? You aren't reading anything that contradicts your view if you believe that. You must only visit echo chambers. I've never seen a piece of conspiracy garbage that wasn't refuted somewhere.

Some of it is easy, some takes better qualified people than me. But it's out there. Go find it. And live a happier life.
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>>720003476
>entire plane vaporized except one tiny engine that looks like it belongs on a war head. Don't forget it hit the ONLY side of the building that had been hardened against "terrorism". what a coincy-dinky!
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>>720014764
Everything you said is false.
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>>720013951
that page is shit.
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>>720015269

I'm getting tired of repeating these time and time again for years, so here's a document by a man who started trying to debunk conspiracy theories but ended up realizing that they were right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vV9ND1BqDk
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>>720012965
>believed blatant propaganda
>calls others retarded

mfw
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>>720015180
That has nothing to do with what I posted. Hidden agendas, disguised troop movements, those can be accomplished pretty easy. A marine on a mission never knows the truth behind his mission. That is far different than hundreds of thousands of people all involved in a falsified terrorist attack. The people involved would either need to know up front, or would shortly afterward realize that they were involved. There would be a ton of people coming forward, and the stories would match (unlike the conspiracy shills who's stories match as much as people who have seen bigfoot). The conspiracy sites would not be putting out data 10 years later that contradicted the original theory they had 10 years prior. Why the inconsistencies on the conspiracy side.

Not going to waste my time on the image because I'm an engineer who spent 5 years in a metal and soils lab, and it's been thoroughly disproven over and over again base on temperature and yield point. Temperature plays a huge role. If temperature and rate of destruction aren't related tell the people of hiroshima that they didn't vaporize, they should have survived, because most people in a fire stay alive for a few minutes.
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>>720003254
i literally saw the plane. i was fishing in the potomac river and watched it circle overhead and slam into the building. it was a plane. /thread
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>>720015774
> I don't have a response to that which can win, so I'll tell you to you read stuff and I'll look smart and stuff.
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>>720016017
>believes blatant conspiracy bullshit.
>reveals level of retardery to literally dozens of people on a Romanian chicken rearing website

I have no image with which to display this level of idiocy.
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>>720016208

No. I know this looks like a wall-of-text defense, but I'm just literally too exasperated on repeating everything. It's like every time there's a 9/11 discussion, everyone has forgotten everything they have ever heard and every single point has to be re-established.
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>>720015601

do you dispute the images of plane debris? just google pentagon plane debris for many more pictures, details of passengers found still strapped in their seats etc...

I realize these facts contradict your Beliefs but dont be afraid to be intellectually honest and accept these facts.
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>>720016159
>watched it circle overhead
ok buddy
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>>720016208
In fairness that's what I did here >>720013593. It's just that most non-truthers - at least the ones that give a shit - have read the conspiracy bullshit and the refutation.

Then like grown adults sound of mind they drew their own conclusions.

It's almost like the truthers are either children or not of sound mind. Or both.
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>>720016580
I've seen the debris and it is consistent with a small plane or missile.
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>>720016159
Don't believe your eyes. I was at the Boston marathon and apparently saw the most elaborate acting drill ever conducted. In real time it looked like people got torn the fuck apart by shrapnel from a relatively small explosion, but slowed down you can see the stage hands placing all the body parts from what i'm told.
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>>720016208
You just hitch slapped that mother fucker
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>>720015774

strawman much? in a thread on the pentagon bring up WTC...logical fallacy.

too long didnt watch- sum up his main points or go away.
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>>720016463

Not that anon, nice try though. Still nice to see you can imitate.

>mfw you realise you ape propaganda and you ape my posts
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>>720016500
It doesn't work like that dude. If you don't have the patience to defend your argument then you lose the argument. I'm not that guy but he readily refuted your stuff with reasonable statements. Linking a video of some other guy adds nothing to this. He won.
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>>720010651
>Construct additional pylons
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President Trump will get to the bottom of it. He is a Truther.
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>>720016916
winning the argument doesn't make it so. i saw a fucking plane hit the building. I'm not going to argue about it because i saw it. the funny thing is another guy i was fishing with also saw it and the conspiracy theorists use his eyewitness testimony to try to prove the govment was lying because the planes were a couple hundred yards from the radar-released flight path. i mean - they don't dispute that we SAW A FUCKING JUMBO JET. google steve chaconas.
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>>720016916

>If you don't have the patience to defend your argument then you lose the argument.
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>>720016776
liar.

landing gear was IDENTICAL to 757...

what about the flight recorder? the passengers found? how ill you wave these facts away?

http://www.911myths.com/index.php?title=Pentagon_evidence
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>>720016159
we need more people like you stepping up and telling what you saw.
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>>720016793

>too long didnt watch- sum up his main points or go away.

>I want you to spend your own time repeating the same thing so I can ignore it just by insulting you.

FTFY
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>>720016776
i know a guy from the ntsb that was there day 1. it was a large airplane.
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Hee hee cant believe peeps still believe the guv story. Next they will be saying iraq have weapons off mass destruction.
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>>720017452

I'm getting tired of repeating these time and time again for years...dumbfucks posting yet another Yotube vids that somehow proves it all..

face it. its all been debunked and there is no evidence...only "troofers" speculating in their own echo chamber.
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>>720017680

So, how would you argue for the first steel skyscraper in human history collapsing from fire collapsing straight down into its own footprint?
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>>720005287
You mean that Muslims are actually peaceful and responded to the US attacking them?

>Every Christmas I have to see the same dam bumper splash of we will never forget
>He doesn't care about the Israelis
>He doesn't want to, he even admits if it was true that it was just the Israelis showing what the Muslims could do if they wanted to.
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What i find very exciting is the pattern these discussions always follow.
Pro conspiracy: it was like that and that because of "evidence".
Liberal: this could have also been because of this and that (offers another possible reason for "evidence")
Pro conspiracy: youre a retard.

>why even bother?

I promise you: all these conspiracy nerds are, because of their attitudes, fucking lonely assholes.
And for those who actually READ THIS.
Please wake up. Let the different opinions challenge each other, don't deny the weaknesses of each theory. Otherwise youre doomed to have no progress and therefore no success. Cause success follows progress.
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>>720018336
Google
1. Steel strenght heat
2. Skyscrapers

Wikipedia is all you need to find your answers.
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>>720015269
>http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm

The building in Tehran crumbled, it didnt just fall down on itself like WTC7. Not the mention that building was in IRAN and was hardly well maintained (or most likely well built) in the 30 years before the fire. WTC was a Government owned, glass fronted Steel framed skyscraper. No building like it before or since has collapsed the same way due to fire.
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>>720019309
didnt mean to quote that link
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>>720003458
if they run on such a slow frame rate, then a person walking would also be missed, rendering a top notch security system unusable
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>>720010431
*rode
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Israel was the party mostly behind the 9/11 attacks.
It was a long term plot that took place over the course of years covertly, with Mossad agents posing as elevator repair crews eventually wiring up the building a couple of months before the attack. The short term goal was to tarnish the opinions of islam in the west to gain sympathy for israel in their fight against palestine. The Long term goal was total destabilzation of the middle east in order for israel to take over the region.

Only a few americans knew and they were all given untold amounts in return for their silence on the matter, or were in a position to profit from the attacks independantly.

The Bush family was one of those who knew but took little part in planning or committing the attack.

Larry Silverstein is a Mossad asset and took a large role in financing and planning the attacks.
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>>720020219


how odd that a property owner would take out insurance on a property that they owned...I mean no one does that right?

...especially one that that had been attacked before...I mean it just makes no sense that he would insure his property...who does that?

unfortunately for Larry- he lost money on the whole deal...no revenue generating buildings for over a decade...building costs etc...his plan failed miserably
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>>720020624
How do you explain him, his son and his daughter not turning up for work in the tower that morning?
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>>720020219

It's more complicated than that - the WTC complex was insured via multiple insurance policies with 23 different companies for a total of $3.55 billion for a single event. He asked that it be considered two events, so the limit be raised to $7.1 billion. The insurance companies disputed this, and there was a court case, and the resultant total limit was much less the $7.1 billion ($4.577 billion).

And this only covered half the cost of rebuilding the complex, in 2007 this was estimated as $9 billion. Public investment (loans) was required to cover the difference.

https://www.metabunk.org/larry-silversteins-9-11-insurance.t2375/
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>>720020717

...and there you have it...definitive proof!
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>>720019474
I dont think you get how fast 300 knots is
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>>720004589
I think it has to do with the military will crush any sort of "reformers" in no time. And news will never even cover it
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>>720020761

He only paid $3b for the towers when he bought them. $1.5b is still a very good profit goyim.
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>>720019309

so, in spite of empirical evidence to the contrary you will continue to ignore the facts...fascinating.
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>Kill me
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>>720018336
>down into its own footprint?

own footprint?? what? quit lying...to yourself much less others. 43 other buildings were damaged from the collapse.

the collapse began exactly in the impact zones...the facade sheered off and fell outward...the collapses looked NOTHING like a CD demo.
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No footage of any passenger boarding amy of those planes, no ripped part of their ticket, no payment data of all those tickets - non of that was ever released.
Just saying.
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