I'm pretty sure the only people left in /b/ are teenyboppers

>>719960686
How many Che T-shirts do you own?

>>719961527
None. I'm an anarchist, not a communist. Specifically I'm a mutualist, which is usually regarded as being slightly right of centre.

>>719960686
You're almost 50. Why are you still acting like an edgy teenager?

>>719962190
Mother Jones was still facing down riot cops and capitalist goon squads into her 90s. I hope I'm an angry teenager for the rest of my life. Most people looking at me assume I'm in my early 30s. Rebellion and drive keeps you young.

>>719961694
"An"archist -
>calls self mutualist instead of anarcho-mutualist
>beleives in class war and forcing his way on people who made their way from the consent of the "prolitariet"
Go away krotopkinfags. This board belongs to the ancap master race

Why do you think a collectivist anarchist society would lead to anything other than a mob mentality hellhole?

>>719960686
Nice echo chamber, Hippie.

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>>719962482
There is no such thing as anarchocapitalism. They're mutually exclusive. Capitalism is monopolist, coercive, and classist by nature. Unless everyone has equal access to the means of production, you have created social classes, and where there is social class there is no anarchism -- by definition. Go away, Randroid.

Claiming to be anarchist while imposing a system on others because u are offended by a system instead of wanting a purely voluntary society is self controdictory at the least and statist at the most

>>719962628
What makes you think I'm collectivist? Mutualism is usually considered to be positioned between anarchosyndicalism on the left and individualism and egoism on the right. In a mutualist community, people have equal access to capital, but what you produce with that capital is *yours*. It doesn't belong to "the people" or the State or a boss. It's yours to do with as you please. The only thing you can't do is use capital to skim other people's labour value for yourself.

Access to capital is guaranteed by a central community-run bank for tracking labour credit and issuing interest-free loans.

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>>719962835
When the capitalists stop inflicting their propertarian oppression on others, I'll stop knocking over their applecart. To quote Errico Malatesta, "Individualism is, in theory, a kind of Anarchy without cooperation. It is therefore no better than a lie, because liberty is not possible without Solidarity, without cooperation. The criticism which Individualists pass on government is merely the wish to deprive it of certain functions, to hand them over virtually to the capitalists. But it cannot attack those repressive functions which form the essence of government, for without an armed force the proprietary system could not be upheld."

>>719962803
>Capitalism classist is monipolistic and coersive by nature
Tfw all interactions outside of the state run courts in their political system are voluntary in capitalism
>somehow using force to keep check of ALL means of production to make sure no one doesn't decide they want to voluntarily pool their resources in a way u don't agree with wouldnt require a massive monopoly on violence
>brings up rand as if she didnt absolutely hate litertarianism and ancap and constantly dispell rothbard for disagreeing with her
"Hur dur its just not muh anarchism because i disagree"
Put some substance to your claims if u arent b8

>>719960686
is there a reason to live?

>>719963183
so where does this magical capital come from if everyone is free to be doing whatever they want whos sat there to bring in the capital to be distributed.

>>719963578
>"Individualism is, in theory, a kind of Anarchy without cooperation
Anarchy defies cooperation.
Cooperation is slavery.

>>719963619
I'm not all that interested in having a political debate here. I've spent most of my life having this same argument with successive waves of young, stupid "muh NAP" Ayndroids. I know a philosophy professor who amuses himself by deprogramming Objectivists in his classes, but I lack his patience.

>>719964014
doesn't have to be, two mutual parties working together towards a common goal even if it means making slight consessions to acheive said goal more rationally doesn't seem like slavery to me.

Why are you so jealous of people who actually have the capability to use capitalism to get somewhere in life? Is it because you can't?

>>719964189
or perhaps most success story that dont start with being grandfathered into one company or another are random chance.

>>719963667
No. There is no inherent meaning or purpose. We live in a cold, uncaring, clockwork Universe, are born from nothing, and go to nothing. But the very fact that we are not compelled to do anything means we are free to make of our lives whatever our Will permits. No justice exists in the Universe except what we impose on the world through the work of our hands and minds. 93

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>>719960686
>25 years of experience

yet here we are. how does your experience with failure qualify you to create this thread?

>>719963578
It isn't anarchy without cooperation..
Its anarchy without force. To those who have seen the ends and means to which individualis made people more productive and cooperative it is self evident. And the rate at which it has inproved peoples lives through such "market anarchy" of trades although restricted has been massive. You call it coersive..but it is more stable than any system despite the states restriction of it. You call it coersive and anti cooperative but u yourself have a hand in giving people power to deprive others of the means at which they pool their labor in the name of "equality" devaluing their labor through proxy and restricting their liberty in said trades. U claim u stand for the liberation of the prolitariet and ancap a hypocrite to that end yet it itself is a system that would even allow ancom and other systems to exist peacefully if they do not coerse others in your view. The cooperation you claim is coersed and if coersion is the only thing holding what u call a anarchist society together it will fail. Just like all the other socialist societies out there..which is what a forced system as this can become

>>719960686
>anarchist
>expecting to be taken seriously

>>719963994
In a mutualist community, there is a very distinct line drawn between ownership and property; the former is perfectly okay, while the latter is completely illegal. For example, you are free to claim a piece of land, build a house on it, and live in it. It is your house. You are the owner of the house. But the second you build a second house and move into it, the first house is no longer yours because you're not using it. You can't charge rents.

Capital in a mutualist community comes from interest-free loans administered by a central bank. It ensures that everyone has access to capital which they can use to create their own wealth. That capital eventually goes back into the bank to be given out again to others. The bank tracks all labour credit, so it can loan it out to people as required.

>>719960686
>Ask me anything.
Can I get large fries with that?

>>719964189
"It is not a man's duty, as a matter of course, to devote himself to the eradication of any, even the most enormous wrong; he may still properly have other concerns to engage him; but it is his duty, at least, to wash his hands of it, and, if he gives it no thought longer, not to give it practically his support." -- Henry David Thoreau, _Civil Disobedience_

Capitalism is predicated on an owning class and a working class, with the former having exclusive access to the means of production, effectively making the latter slaves. I fight for the right of people to create and keep wealth for themselves and not have it skimmed off by a parasitical class of oppressive bosses whose only labour is to steal wealth from others.

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>>719964716
I've had my successes and my failures like anyone else. I do what it is within my capability to accomplish towards the liberation of all humanity by working in my local community, within my personal locus of control, and trust others to do likewise.

“The big system can be pretty overwhelming. We know that we can’t beat them by competing with them. What we can do is build small systems where we live and work that serve our needs as we define us and not as they ‘re defined for us. The big boys in their shining armor are up there on castle walls hurling their thunderbolts. We’re the ants patiently carrying sand a grain at a time from under the castle wall. We work from the bottom up. The knights up there don’t see the ants and don’t know what we’re doing. They’ll figure it out only when the wall begins to fall. It takes time and quiet persistence. Always remember this: They fight with money and we resist with time, and they’re going to run out of money before we run out of time” -- Utah Phillips

>>719960686
Get lost leftie! You are precisely what is wrong with the world. Redistribution is not the answer. You foreign policy was and is a disaster. You and your kind are the reason we need people like Trump and Euro countries need to leave the EU. I could go on and on! But i need to get some sleep sometime. Stewth, just go!

>>719960686
Do you think society would have been better if Germany had won the second world war ?

>>719964914
I'm no peacenik. Freedom comes from strength and willingness to use force. For a community to be free, it must always live with the risk that it will lose its freedom, which is why eternal vigilance is the cost of maintaining its freedom. Anarchism is not Utopian; there will always be struggle, and it is our duty to educate our children and children's children so that they can earn and deserve freedom -- and teach them how to recover their freedom when it is inevitably lost over time.

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>>719966237
I did mention I'd be ignoring shitposting.

>>719966173
And that I'd ignore Trumplorable mouth-breathers too. If you had any actual interest in reading or understanding, you'd have seen I'm actually somewhat right of centre. But then, you're no conservative; you're just an authoritarian. A dumb one.

Why can't anarchists ever get organized?

>>719960686
So basically you're a loser. kay. congrats.

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>>719967268
I'm a card-carrying Wobbly, friend. Enjoying your weekend? You're welcome.

>>719967268
Because their mom wont let them use her car because they never puts gas in it.

>>719960686
Libertarian here. Fuck you and your organization bullshit

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>>719967735
You aren't a libertarian. The word libertarian was coined to describe Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, the father of mutualism. I'm a mutualist. You, sir, are not a libertarian, you're a Randroid who has hijacked a word he doesn't understand.

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>>719967484
Fuckin kek

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In my younger days I've lived in squats, attended demonstrations, have been an organizer, participated with food not bombs and all that good stuff. I fly pretty low here in Texas, though

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>>719967484
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>>719960686
You was born mentaly disabled or it just happend by the time?

>>719962482
Anyone who calls themselves an "anarcho" capitalist has entirely misunderstood anarchism at the very basic elementary level. The proper word for such people might be "voluntaryist" or "libertarian party member."

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>>719968224
Thought about becoming a Wob? There's been a real resurgence in the IWW in recent years, thanks to our traditional work in unorganizing the unorganizable. We've started organizing in places traditional unions can't or won't touch, like the precariat. Because the IWW doesn't register its unions or often even exist on paper, the lawyers and bagmen can't touch us -- and it terrifies them. There were some memos leaked between a law firm and a CEO which shows they're genuinely worried about us and how we operate, since the techniques which shut down cold organizations like the AFL-CIO won't work on us. It will allow you to continue doing good, useful work without having to stick your neck out too far.

>>719968845
I've worked with IWW before, actually; they're big in representing themselves at May Day in my old city of Reno. I haven't looked into it here.

>>719960686
How did you get this far to fail so completely?

Anarchy...... without government is the Far... Far Right.

How do you like Somalia by the way?

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LIBERTARIAN SOCIALIST AND MUTUALIST FREE TERRITORY OF MAINE WHEN??

>>719969065
If there's no local branch, contact me and I can get you signed up. You can get ahold of me through the Utah Phillips Centre for the Hobo Arts; I'm the caretaker there. Give me a call or drop me some email through our GoXFundXMe page.

>>719969253
Interesting thing about Somalia, several studies have shown that people there actually have a higher standard of living without a central government than they did when one existed. But that comes as no surprise to the Hopi and the highland Yanomani, both of whom have had stable, peaceful anarchist cultures for millennia. Or to Spain and Ukraine, both of which experienced unprecedented prosperity under revolutionary anarchist organization.

What if I told you its too late. Robots will soon replace humans as production and there will be no "production" for the working man to seize.

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>>719969542
Whenever you're ready, comrade. Put out the word and there's lots of us ready to line up for our guns when the shooting starts.

>>719967421
one big union! we did a small amount of organizing in my department and watched a documentary on the wobblies. pretty inspiring

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>>719969936
The IWW has always fought well above its weight class. We've been at the forefront of every big labour battle for 110 years, despite being repeatedly declared illegal, suppressed, deported, and occasionally murdered during the entire period. To this day whenever we show up on a picket line we get cheers and the energy level and militancy instantly rockets up.